Educated TZ Immigrants in US in tough Situation

Field Marshall ES said:

- Nimewashauri wananchi wa bongo waliowahi kuioshi nje kwa muda mrefu na kfanya kazi huko, kwamba utakua ni ujinga wa hali ya juu sana kwa wao kurudi bongo na kudata.

- Mwalimu ndiye aliyekua na pride kuliko sisi wabongo wote na bongo, lakini guess alipozidiwa alienda wapi kutibiwa? Unless una yako mengine lakini so far sioni hoja yako iko wapi? Sikuwaambia wabongo wote wahamie majuu au wakatibiwe majuu nimewaongelea wale tu waliowahi kufanya kazi kwa muda mrefu majuu.

- Kama una tatizo lingine mkuu na mimi liweke wazi lakini sio vyema kulazimisha hoja hata kama haipo, bado ninawashauri wabongo walioko nje kwa muda mrefu wajitahidi kuhakikisha wkamba wakirudi bongo hawadati.

Respect.

FMES

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Wewe na wewe mtu asipokubaliana nawe unasema mtu ana yake mengine.
Pointi yangu ni kwamba, wewe unayeponda mafisadi na kumkoma nyani, hiyo pointi yako haiendani na msimamo wako wa kawaida.

Muhimu,

Mtu uishi Dar, Musoma, Lindi, Pemba au US bado ni Mtz!

Sema tupendane na kuheshimiana!

Nzokanhyilu said:

Wewe na wewe mtu asipokubaliana nawe unasema mtu ana yake mengine.
Pointi yangu ni kwamba, wewe unayeponda mafisadi na kumkoma nyani, hiyo pointi yako haiendani na msimamo wako wa kawaida.

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- Misimamo yangu hapa forums haina uhusiano wowote na wabongo waliko nje kwa muda mrefu wanaotaka kurudi bongo, tunajaribu kuelimishana,

- My point ni kwamba siku zote ni muhimu sana kuitumia kila nafasi uliyonayo nje, kukurekebishia maisha yako utakaporudi bongo, kwa sababu wakati unahangaika majuu kuna wabongo hapa bongo wanasogea mbele vile vile tena kwa kasi ya ajabu,

- Lakini mimi siku zote ninasema hivi aliyeishi majuu kwa muda mrefu lazima awe na tofauti na ambao hawakuwahi kabisa, angalau tofauti moja muhimu sana, ya kwenda kutibiwa nje inapaswa kuwa mojawapo kwa wale waliowahi kuishi nje na kufanya kazi huko kwa muda mrefu.

- Mkuu wangu hata nikipewa urais leo, bado itahitaji muda mrefu sana kuweza kurekebisha Hospitali zetu.

Ahsante.



FMES!

Koba said:

...respect my a$$,mmeanza wenyewe kuita walio juu wana njaa na tough times sasa mkijibiwa mnalia foul,nimesikia mengi na nimeona mengi hapo Dar on my vacations lakini hata kama kuna ukweli sometimes unaacha yapite tuu maana ndio life na sioni big deal,ila hii bashing ya watanzania wanaoishi overseas ni tabia inayojitokeza sana siku hizi ndani ya watanzania wengi (back home) na ukiangalia vizuri iko rooted in ignorance & jealous tuu,nyie watu our lives are "none of of your business" so get a life....na mkumbuke s-tupidity hujibiwa na s-tupidity kwa hiyo mkiendelea na bashing zenu msitegemee any constructive conversation from this thread...mtaendelea kusikia shampoos,superhighways and America the magical place!

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- Mkuu Koba, unajua kwenye historia ya utumwa kule US, Slave Masters walikuwa na tabia flani, once in a while wanawakutanisha watumwa wao wa mashamba yao mbali mbali, na kuwaweka bweni moja, na wao kukaa nje wakiwasikiliza kwa siri,

- Masters walitegemea wale watumwa watapanga mipango ya kutoroka, lakini to their suprise, watumwa walikuwa wakibishana mpaka kutaka kupigana kwamba Master wa watumwa wapi ana hela kuliko Master wa wengine.

- Maisha ya bongo hayawezi kuwa sawa na majuu hata siku moja, bongo ni nyumbani na tunaishi kwa mazoea, lakini majuu ni majuu tu hakuwezi kuwa sawa na bongo hata siku moja never! cha muhimu ni tujaribu kuelimishana namna ya kujiendeleza kimaisha regardless of where we are.

Respect

FMES!

Field Marshall ES said:

...unajua kwenye historia ya utumwa kule US, Slave Masters walikuwa na tabia flani, once in a while wanawakutanisha watumwa wao wa mashamba yao mbali mbali, na kuwaweka bweni moja, na wao kukaa nje wakiwasikiliza kwa siri,

- Masters walitegemea wale watumwa watapanga mipango ya kutoroka, lakini to their suprise, watumwa walikuwa wakibishana mpaka kutaka kupigana kwamba Master wa watumwa wapi ana hela kuliko Master wa wengine...

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Hebu onyesha reference ya hiyo hadithi kwamba watumwa walikuwa wanakutanishwa kwenye bweni halafu wanasilizwa wakibishania mmiliki yupi ana hela zaidi.

Kwenye mjadala huu ningependa kutoa mfano wa Japan na South Korea. Japan walipohamua kufanya mabadiliko ya kiuchumi na kijamii walipeleka vijana wao nje. Na walivyokusanya nje ya nchi vilisaidia kubadilisha Japan.

South Korea nayo ilifanya hivyo hivyo. Wakati wanafanya mabadiliko walifahamu kuwa nchi zilizotawaliwa na mwingireza zilikuwa na vyuo vikuu vizuri. Hivyo waKorea walikwenda kusoma Pakistani, India na nchi nyingine. Na walichangia kuleta maendeleo ya nchi yao sawa na wale waliosoma nchi zilizoendelea.

Nachokiona hapa ni kila mtu kujivunia kipato chake lakini hakuna kubadilishana mawazo ya kuijenga nchi hile ya mababu.

Field Marshall ES said:

Remmy Ongala bwana, alikuaga na song moja inaenda kama hivi:-

-.....Panapofuka moshi chini kuna moto,... chini kuna moto,.. moto unawaka..moto unachoma..usikanyage moto...utaungua moto..!

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Hivyo sio vielelezo ulikotoa hadithi yako kwamba watumwa waliwekwa kwenye mabweni kusikilizwa wakibishana juu ya bwana gani ana hela zaidi, hujaleta. Unaleta aya za Remmy Ongara.

Yaonekana huna vielelezo.

Ni kwamba, hili jamvi linasomwa na mamia ya watu, kama sio melfu. Watu wenye kinyume cha kila aina, wakiwemo waliopitia historia. Sasa huwezi ukaleta hadithi kuhusu moja ya mada zilizopitiwa kuliko zote duniani, mada ya historia ya utumwa, halafu ukadhani unaweza kuandika hekaya ambazo hazipo.

Watwana wamewekwa kwenye bweni mashambani. Mabweni mashambani. Angalau basi ukileta hadithi ipange ishawishi shawishi kidogo. Mwinyi ana muda kumfungia Mtwana bwenini? Na kulima akamlimishe saa ngapi?

Dilunga said:

Hivyo sio vielelezo ulikotoa hadithi yako kwamba watumwa waliwekwa kwenye mabweni kusikilizwa wakibishana juu ya bwana gani ana hela zaidi, hujaleta. Unaleta aya za Remmy Ongara.

Yaonekana huna vielelezo.

Ni kwamba, hili jamvi linasomwa na mamia ya watu, kama sio melfu. Watu wenye kinyume cha kila aina, wakiwemo waliopitia historia. Sasa huwezi ukaleta hadithi kuhusu moja ya mada zilizopitiwa kuliko zote duniani, mada ya historia ya utumwa, halafu ukadhani unaweza kuandika hekaya ambazo hazipo.

Watwana wamewekwa kwenye bweni mashambani. Mabweni mashambani. Angalau basi ukileta hadithi ipange ishawishi shawishi kidogo. Mwinyi ana muda kumfungia Mtwana bwenini? Na kulima akamlimishe saa ngapi?

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- Masikini wa Mungu, Bwa1 ha! ha! ahhhhhhrrrrrr very funny jiko limenuna hilo ahhgggrrr! pole mkuu sisi tunakata ishus tena kiroho mbaya sana usicheze na moto mkuu utalungula...Bwa! ha! haha..... !

Wazee wa sauti ya umeme FMES

Field Marshall ES said:

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- Maisha ya bongo hayawezi kuwa sawa na majuu hata siku moja, bongo ni nyumbani na tunaishi kwa mazoea, lakini majuu ni majuu tu hakuwezi kuwa sawa na bongo hata siku moja never! cha muhimu ni tujaribu kuelimishana namna ya kujiendeleza kimaisha regardless of where we are.

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Kwa hiyo jitihada zinazoendelea za kuboresha maisha ya wabongo ni kazi bure? Meaning our economy and social welfare will never match the Americans [no matter what]. Is this your point?

Bongo tunaishi kwa mazoea? Sijakuelewa. Tafadhali fafanua.

Zungu Pule said:

Kwa hiyo jitihada zinazoendelea za kuboresha maisha ya wabongo ni kazi bure? Meaning our economy and social welfare will never match the Americans [no matter what]. Is this your point?

Bongo tunaishi kwa mazoea? Sijakuelewa. Tafadhali fafanua.

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- US na majuu wako miaka 300 mbele sasa watakuwa vipi sawa na bongo mkuu kwani linahitaji elimu kulielewa?

FMES!

Field Marshall ES said:

- US na majuu wako miaka 300 mbele sasa watakuwa vipi sawa na bongo mkuu kwani linahitaji elimu kulielewa?

FMES!

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Sasa kama ni hivyo, je mwaka 1709 walikuwa na hali sawa na tuliyonayo sasa hapa kwetu? kwa namna ipi? Uchumi tegemezi, technology, political, social au nini? ...and if so, is there any way ya ku-fast track maendeleo yetu?

My farther is 25 years older than me but that situation doesnt apply on everything

Nisaidie kufafanua

MTM said:

WoS,

it is difficult (and not fair) to give example of anyone getting good pay, but at least we can say that top execs of most corporates [multinationals], health professionals, highly skilled finance, IT and some engineers range from 5,000 - 12,000 per month; some EU, WB, US and DFID funded projects on health, infrastructure development, ICT and most of research also pay from 4500 to 15,000 per month. we do also have a few government agencies that advertised their executive posts internationally such as TANROADS, MSD etc with pay range from 10,000 - 20,000.

There are also middle to high level posts in most health programs with salary ranging from 2000 for junior managers to 6,000 for senior managers. all International universities having some development programs in the country [especially health] have their technical staffs get paid around 3000 - 8000. A GOOD EXAMPLE GOES TO PEPFAR AND EU AND WB, PROBABLY NORAD/DANIDA TOO

mostIT experts [i mean experts] get well above average packages - A PERSON ABROAD IS AT BETTER BARGAIN POWER IF THEY APPLY FROM OUTSIDE...

PWC, ERNST AND YOUND AND DELLOITE AND TOUCHE HAVE THESE SALARY SURVEYS AND I AM SURE THEY CAN BE MADE PUBLIC

HAO NI WAAJIRIWA, WALIOJIAJIRI NA WASAFI PIA WAPO INGAWA UZOEFU UNAONYESHA KWAMBA UJANJA PIA MWINGI HASA KWENYE KUKWEPA USHURU NA TOO MUCH RISK AVERSION

lakini kama kawaida, RIZIKI POPOTE AND IT IS TRUE THAT FOR SOME, BONGO IS AS GOOD AS ANYWHERE

HALAFU HII THREAD IMETUGAWA SANA KIASI KWAMBA HUWEZI AMINI WOTE NI WALE WALE WA KAMBARAGE JINSI TUNAVYODHARAULIANA NA KUBEZANA... ITS A SHAME THAT WE HAVENT BROUGHT ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CHALLENGES OR SUPPORTS TO EACH OTHER RATHER THAN LOOKING DOWN AT EACH OTHER

KARIBUNI BONGO MNAOWEZA, MLE PWEZA NA MARASHI YA PWANI... LIFE IS CHEAPER AND EVERYTHING IS AVAILABLE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU HAVE SET YOUR LIFE PATH

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MTM,

I agree with you. This is an article from the Daily Nation on a survey done by PWC. If highest paid employees in Kenya earn on average about Tzs 40,000,000 per month, its not far-fetched that similar Tanzanian professionals earn at least half of that.

Kenya: Kenya's Highest Paying Firms
Jeff Otieno
19 October 2007

Nairobi — The highest paid employees in Kenya earn an average monthly salary of Sh2.5 million, according to a human resource survey released by PriceWaterHouseCoopers on Thursday.

The survey shows the highest paying companies are in finance, insurance, professional services, ICT and multimedia, trade, manufacturing and NGOs.

The top salary figure is 400 times higher than the pay of Kenya's lowest paid
The chief executive officers, who work in the financial services sector take home an average salary amounting to Sh2,530,697 each, which is Sh2,525,302 more than the country's lowest minimum wage of Sh5,395.

The minimum wage was raised from Sh4,817 to Sh5,395 last year.

The financial services sector, which comprises bank and non-banking financial institutions, has been one of the most competitive in offering better terms of service for the management cadre.

Highest paid CEO

The salary represents an increase of approximately Sh300,000 compared to the income of the highest paid CEO two years ago, which was about Sh2.2 million.

On the other hand, the lowest paid manager, in the same sector, is a sales representative earning Sh26,875 per month, which is Sh2,503,822 less than the highest paid employee.

This year's PriceWaterHouseCoopers survey covers 114 management jobs and 23 non-management jobs.

The study covered seven sectors - financial services, insurance services, professional services, ICT and multimedia, trade, manufacturing and processing, NGOs, development agencies and missions.

The insurance services, which comprise companies offering cover to private and public assets comes second, with the highest paid manager earning Sh1,985,833, while the lowest (a sales representative) takes home Sh29,300 every month.

The professional services sector, which includes companies offering legal, medical and security services is third in the top salaries league, with the leading CEOs earning Sh1,852,999 and the or her lowest workers in the same sector (assistant accountants) receiving an average pay of Sh10,000 each.

In the ICT and multimedia sector, that has witnessed steady growth in the last few years, the highest paid manager is a factory and production director, whose pay-cheque is Sh1,829,979, while the lowest paid is an internal auditor earning Sh27,000. Companies in this category include those dealing in information services, information technology and also the media.

The trade sector which comprises of companies dealing in buying and selling of commodities - like retail chains and import and export companies - the highest paid employee (the head of human resource) takes home Sh1,786,475.

A management trainee is the lowest paid employee in the sector, receiving a Sh16,250 average monthly wage.

In the manufacturing and processing sector, the head of human resource is the best paid with a monthly salary of Sh1,639,160, while the lowest paid is a warehouse supervisor taking home Sh11,089.

Many companies in Nairobi's industrial area and other major towns that manufacture and process consumer products fall under this category.

The top chief executive officer in the non-governmental sector, which also includes development agencies and missions operating in the country, earns Sh1,205,051 per month, with the lowest paid manager (a chef) receiving Sh10,722.

The ranking changes in the non-management category with manufacturing and processing sector paying the highest salaries.

Topping the list is a personnel assistant, earning an average of Sh162,270 or 30 times more than the country's minimum wage.

The six figure digit is Sh154,269 more than what the lowest paid employees earn in the same sector. These are cleaners, janitors and tea ladies, who earn an average of Sh8,001.

The insurance services sector comes second paying personnel assistants an annual salary of Sh162,162 compared to the lowest earner, a messenger, who takes home Sh12,880 every month.

The trade sector comes third, with an account assistant earning Sh148,401, while his or her lowest paid counterpart, a switchboard operator, receives a monthly salary of Sh8,741.

An accounts assistant in the ICT and multimedia is not far behind, taking home Sh121,362, with the lowest paid employee, a driver of a light vehicle, receiving Sh14,500 per month.

In the fifth position is the non-governmental sector, which also includes development agencies and missions. In this category, the highest earner is a storekeeper with a pay-cheque of Sh119,271 per month, while a security guard is the lowest paid worker getting Sh9,072.

The financial services sector occupies the sixth position, with the top earner being a security supervisor receiving Sh108,355 very month and a messenger being at the lowest end earning Sh15,833.

The professional services sector occupies the last position in the non-management category. A security supervisor tops the salary chart earning Sh93,981 per month, which is 84,306 more than the lowest paid employee, a driver of a heavy vehicle, receiving Sh9,675.

The lowest paid CEOs, according to the study, are those working in the non-governmental organisations and development agencies, while the lowest paid employees in the non-management category are cleaners, janitors and tea servers.

However, comparing the current survey and the 2005 study, salaries paid in all the seven sectors have been on a steady increase.

In 2005, for example a CEO in the non-governmental sector took home an average monthly pay of Sh434,202, currently, the top managers in the same sector now earn more than Sh1 million.

The same applies to the lowest paid workers in the non-management sector. In 2005 the lowest paid subordinate staff, (messengers) earned Sh4,804 per month. In the latest survey, cleaners, janitors and tea ladies occupy the lowest position.

While launching the study at Hotel Intercontinental, PriceWaterHouseCoopers country leader, Mr Charles Muchene, said salaries had increased by between 7 and 9 per cent in the last financial year.

"In the current financial year salaries are projected to increase by an average of 7 per cent as workers become more demanding," Mr Muchene added.

Inflation rates

Despite the increase, the company's country leader said, workers were worse off today than they were a year ago. He attributed this to the increasing inflation rates eroding the purchasing power of many employees.

Mr Muchene said companies would continue paying high salaries to employees specialised in engineering, project finance, senior level sales and marketing and language experts.

"Professionals in these categories are few hence companies will pay more money for their expertise," he added.

Mr Muchene said the market was increasingly seeing a new generation of professionals demand higher pay for their work.

Watanzania mlioko nje hasa USA, mnaishi maisha bora sana. najua Tanzania ni nchi yenu na mnaipenda sana, ila sisi tulio huku hasa mikoani na vijijini moto tunauona. Kila nyumba yenye mtoto aliye nje ina unafuu wa maisha kuliko ile ya mkurugenzi hapa tanzania.

Najua nchi za ulaya na USA wapo watanzania wa namna mbili na walikwenda huko kwa sababu tofauti.

Fungu la kwanza:
Hawa ni wale watoto wa wakubwa waliopelekwa USA na Ulaya na wazazi wao kwa kisingizio cha kusoma na wakati ule ilikuwa ni kuonyesha jamii kwamba wao ni matawi ya juu. hawa walikuwa na jinsi ya kuishi maisha ya juu na kupata kazi kirahisi kwani afisa ajira yupo nyumbani. Nyumbani kulikuwa na kila kitu wasichojua baba alipata vipi. Maisha yalikuwa hayategemei mshahara na wala watoto hawakujua chanzo cha wao kuishi kwa starehe. Waliweka akilini mwao kwamba wakija USA na ulaya yale maisha ya nyumbani kwao yataendelea, wazazi ama mzigo ukawa mkubwa kuwatumia watoto wao ada kwa pesa za kigeni au walistaafu au mianya ya fedha ilipungua au walifikiri ndivyo sivyo. Kwa aibu ya watoto wao kuungana na wasaka nyoka kutafuta maisha kwa njia za kawaida kwenye nchi husika wakishirikiana; wakajenga unyonge na mateso yakanza wakitamani kurudi nyumbani ila hawana uhakika tena na uwezo wa wazazi wao. wakajikuta system inawaacha kila siku na know how na aibu.

Fungu la pili:
Hili ni la wale watoto wa wasaka nyoka watafuta panzi ambao walitua nchi hizo wakiwa na madeni ya nauli walizokuja nazo bila kujali kuwa walimaliza elimu ya juu yaani degree ya kwanza, ya pili au secondary tu. Hili kundi wengi kama walimaliza UD,Nk walitafuta sana kazi pale mjini Bongo na wazee wa ajira walikuwa wanawaona hawafai au kama wahamiaji. na wale waliomaliza vidato vya tanao na sita walikosa nafasi za kuendela ama kwa kutochaguliwa ama kwa kukosa fedha za kujisomesha zaidi. Kundi hili lilifanya kilalinalowezekana kuondoka nchini kukimbia mazila na adha wanazopata. kundi hili lilipofika kwenye nchi za ahadi hawakufanya ajizi walitafuta jinsi ya kuishi. Ingawaje liliwakuta watoto wa vigogo wakitanua kwa kutumia fedha za wazazi wao na zile za ada, wao hawakutetereka walitafuta kila linalowezekana kuijua system na kuanza kufanya kazi ili kulipa madeni na kuishi na kusaidia ndugu zao waliowaacha wakiwa hoi bin taabani mgonjwa wa ndui. Kundi hili utaona wengi baada ya miaka mitano wameweza kuwajengea wazazi wao nyumba, kusoma na kumaliza shule na kuanza kufanya kazi zilizo kwenye dream zao. Kundi hili utaona wanajitegemea na wanaishi maisha ya uhakika . Kundi hili lina uhakikishia umma kwamba utawala wa sheria unaleta ushindani wakweli na survive of the fittest sio survive ya kubwebwa. Kundi hili ndilo kwa wingi wake limekuwa msaada wa kusomesha watoto wa dada zao na wadogo zao. Kundi hili ndilo lile linaloongeza pato la taifa kwa kuwatumia ndugu zao fedha. Ukiwa na nia ya kweli na ukijua nini kimekupeleka USA na ulaya utafanikiwa ila kama ulikwenda kuonyesha jamii uko ulaya au USA moto utauona tena sio wa kuni bali chuma.

Nawatakia maisha mema na leteni utaalamu na utendaji kazi usio tegezi kwenye nchi yenu Tanzania.

Labda TZ ingetoa economic stimulus package ya kuwawezesha ndugu zetu kurejea nyumbani?

Suala la Dual Citizenship liliishia wapi?

./Mwanahaki

MwanaHaki said:

Labda TZ ingetoa economic stimulus package ya kuwawezesha ndugu zetu kurejea nyumbani?

Suala la Dual Citizenship liliishia wapi?

./Mwanahaki

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Mkuu hali ni mbaya hapa nyumbani... na vilevile huko majuu!!! ka-uchumi kamenyauka na kupunguza mzunguko bongo

Mbaya zaidi ni kwamba nchi za ulaya nazo zinawapa kipaumbele wazungu over waafrica kwenye job opportunities, let alone retenchmets due to economic crises

Ugali mot na mboga moto..... Kazi ipo

vipi kuhusu wale wenye elimu wako tanzania na hawana kazi? what about them? manake unapo mshauri mtu arudi nyumbani lazima ufikirie kwamba huko tanzania pia kuna watu wana wamesoma na hawana kazi.kama kuna bogus jobs tanzania ambazo ni bora kuliko za marekani na zitamuezesha mtu kusukuma maisha mpaka atakapo pata kazi ya proffesional yake ni sawa.sio watanzania tu wako huku kuna nchi nyingi tu zingine mbona wao wanaweza kupanga maisha yao? au wangapi wamebadirisha proffesional hili kuweza kupata kazi yenye kipato cha kuweza kukutimizia mahitaji yako ya maisha? kama health care inatoa kazi nyingi kwa sasa hivi kwanini usisomee field hio hili upate ajira kuliko kustick na field ambayo haitoi hajira kwa wakati huo? ni muhimu kujaribu kuadjust na maisha saa nyingine.