...Mkuu angalia sana usijekosana na FF. Hata mwenyekiti wa chama cha Majoka kengeza anajua ESCROW sio hela za umma. Au umenunuliwa na CHADEMA siku hizi?
Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides
Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides
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...Mkuu angalia sana usijekosana na FF. Hata mwenyekiti wa chama cha Majoka kengeza anajua ESCROW sio hela za umma. Au umenunuliwa na CHADEMA siku hizi?
He! ....kumbe na wewe dada unaujua uungwana?
matumbo
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We kichwa upande nakushauri ukae pembeni usubiri sehemu za kusherehesha ushehereshe, this is big for you.
Hivi ukiambiwa useme ulipoona pamepotoshwa utaweza au upambe tu ? Hahaha eti pale ulipopotosha.
Nyie watu tukiwasisitiza mwende shule mnasema tunawatusi.
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FaizaFoxy
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Can you provide any Historical document of merit which has "hypothetical...Data.."?
Answering someone else you may have, that's not my problem. My question still remains "You call "hypothetical... data" something which is there"?
You may or you may not answer that question, but its so obvious your so called "Professor" Hirji was here apologizing for the "error" and blaming that the version put here-forth was not the "full version" intended.
Are you the one who was misleading us with this not so "full version" and erroneous version? would you be so kind and throw it into your garbage bin and give us the proper version so we can continue learning from the "Professor" Hirji?
You may note the inverted "commas" above, its simply because I am not sure if that piece of garbage worth erroneous historical blunder was written by a Professor.
matumbo
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Hahaha yani uyo mhabi hapa hajui ata kinaendelea nini, yeye kazi yake ni kutia upambe.
Hiyo pepa kwake ni giza.
Awa jamaa ni burdani sana.
Gs-300
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Dr Hirji KF,
I read with sadness your cheap argument/critique. But, more importantly, you too admitted that Dr Mohamed Said writings are not missing crucial facts!
I also noticed with horror your absurd comparison of unrelated phenomena, historical facts and/or triangular injustices!? Daah!
I just noted though, now you are trying to claim that your own article/critique to be "not the full version"!? Also you are "sorry" for mislead all of us by inserted a Maumau struggle at the place of Majimaji Warriors!?...that can't be just a typographical error, as you claimed!? Come on Professor, this is becoming too childish! Daah! Teeh! Teeh! Teeeh!
You sound bit exhausted and despair, Professor!? Where is your standard gonne,Sir!? Only few years of retirement taking its toll!?
It is allowed to have an opinion...however, simply having an opinion about a given topic and/or subject is not enough. You should know this, Prof Hirji!? Daah! So next time if you feel need to effectively criticize someone else's work/article, you must be educated enough about the particular topic/subject...Ok Sir!?
Your argument is the fallacy of relative privation, I mean is a form of the moral equivalence fallacy that takes note of the existence of things that are worse than what is actually under discussion, for different purposes...as outlined above from your critique/article.
I think it's popular with retired Professors, like yourself...who know perfectly well they're doing something wrong, being fully aware that they're doing something wrong...but, they feel compelled to attempt to justify it and do so by pointing to other(usually worse) actions and/or incidents! Daah!
Probably you have few different "valid" reasons why want to pull "a not as bad as" comparison!?
However, you put your argument in a more vulnerable position. Your explanation/s not only cheap to come from someone of your calibre, but the most blatantly fallacious form of the argument and is a hindsight version of the "not as bad as" argument, that states past actions can legitimise current actions!?
The existence of a worse or similar atrocity in the past and/or currently, however, doesn't actually justify anything...it merely point out that there have been similar thing in the past.
People like you Dr Hirji, who use this kind of argument as a justification may well be aware that it's fallacious but still use it as purely rhetoric or as a distraction!?
Or even worse...probably you decided to use this kind of absurd argument in your critique as a particularly underhanded emotional appeal, in an attempt to guilt-trip Dr Mohamed Said, in order to have him stop voicing his legitimate claim/s and/or his writings!? I'm afraid it is too late now, Professor!
Ahsanta sana!
I read with sadness your cheap argument/critique. But, more importantly, you too admitted that Dr Mohamed Said writings are not missing crucial facts!
I also noticed with horror your absurd comparison of unrelated phenomena, historical facts and/or triangular injustices!? Daah!
I just noted though, now you are trying to claim that your own article/critique to be "not the full version"!? Also you are "sorry" for mislead all of us by inserted a Maumau struggle at the place of Majimaji Warriors!?...that can't be just a typographical error, as you claimed!? Come on Professor, this is becoming too childish! Daah! Teeh! Teeh! Teeeh!
You sound bit exhausted and despair, Professor!? Where is your standard gonne,Sir!? Only few years of retirement taking its toll!?
It is allowed to have an opinion...however, simply having an opinion about a given topic and/or subject is not enough. You should know this, Prof Hirji!? Daah! So next time if you feel need to effectively criticize someone else's work/article, you must be educated enough about the particular topic/subject...Ok Sir!?
Your argument is the fallacy of relative privation, I mean is a form of the moral equivalence fallacy that takes note of the existence of things that are worse than what is actually under discussion, for different purposes...as outlined above from your critique/article.
I think it's popular with retired Professors, like yourself...who know perfectly well they're doing something wrong, being fully aware that they're doing something wrong...but, they feel compelled to attempt to justify it and do so by pointing to other(usually worse) actions and/or incidents! Daah!
Probably you have few different "valid" reasons why want to pull "a not as bad as" comparison!?
However, you put your argument in a more vulnerable position. Your explanation/s not only cheap to come from someone of your calibre, but the most blatantly fallacious form of the argument and is a hindsight version of the "not as bad as" argument, that states past actions can legitimise current actions!?
The existence of a worse or similar atrocity in the past and/or currently, however, doesn't actually justify anything...it merely point out that there have been similar thing in the past.
People like you Dr Hirji, who use this kind of argument as a justification may well be aware that it's fallacious but still use it as purely rhetoric or as a distraction!?
Or even worse...probably you decided to use this kind of absurd argument in your critique as a particularly underhanded emotional appeal, in an attempt to guilt-trip Dr Mohamed Said, in order to have him stop voicing his legitimate claim/s and/or his writings!? I'm afraid it is too late now, Professor!
Ahsanta sana!
Nguruvi3
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Ah sijui kwanini hili jambo linaniandama na kuwaacha wahusika. Prof kaeleza mengi tu, inaweza kuwa zipo ngano au hekaya kama za Maalim Mohamed.
Sina uhakika, mimi sipo Oxford, nipo hapa kwa mnyamani.
Ni kwa muktadha huo ndio maana tumemuomba Mohamed akabiliane na hoja za Hirji moja baada ya nyingine.
Sheikh anatuletea picha wakati anacheza mdaku na tombola lkama si kombolela! Hapo ndipo ilipo shaka mufti!
Prof kaweaka takwimu kazinyumbulisha uzuri tu. Sasa Al alkly alitakiwa aje hapa ni zile zake alizotuwekeea tukaangua vichekesho ili tulinganishe, huyu prof na huyu gwiji wa Manhattan nani ameandika vitu vya kisomi, nani amebubusa busa bora liende. Ushanfahamu swahba!
Sharriff, ningeshauri umshauri mzee wa Boston ajibu hoja, hayo ya picha za Shebe na chembelcho, ah ah! tuyaache, tunataka chakula cha fikra.
Sharrff, unazijua ngogwe zilizoungwa na nazi za Mkuzi. Mashallah utameza ulimi
Nikijaaliwa naweza kutuma tenga, huku kwetu kwema kabisa
Gs-300
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Mkuu Col Ngongo!
Za masiku Kamanda!? Remote na Kadoda nao wawapi, maana kitambo sijawatia machoni!? Na Maalim Mzito Kabwela bado yuhai!? Teeeh! Teeh!
Mkuu tafadhali hizo lugha za Islamophobia jaribu kumuachia Nyakageni na genge lako...weye bado una staha yako ndani ya mioyo yetu, japo kiduchu!
Ahsanta sana!
Fikra na mawazo ya Makala hii nimewahi kuzungumzia nyuma kwenye mjadala wa aina hii na Said Mohammed. Binafsi sioni jipya zaidi ya kwamba mwandishi kaandika kwa Kiingereza mambo yale yale tulokwisha yajadili humu JF miaka ya nyuma. Ukweli unabakia kwamba dhumuni nyuma ya maandishi ya Mohammed Said ndiyo yenye utata mkubwa kutafunwa na kumezwa!
Chukulia mtu kakupa nyama choma ule, kisha baada ya kuiweka mdomoni anakwambia, waionaje nyama ya Paka!
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Nguruvi3
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Kwa muda mrefu tumemueleza Mohamed kuwa anachoandika ni ukweli wa majina uliofungwa katika hisia na yeye kuita historia. Ndio maana, unapompa Mohamed kipande hicho hapo juu, hawezi ku-critique achilia mbali kujibu au kuzungumzia.
Mohamed, njoo hapa utupe upande wa Pili wa kipande hicho hapojuu. Kama unaafiki au unatofauti.
THE BIG SHOW
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teh teh teh
Nguruvi3 Prof kakimbia speed ya light humu jamvin
Tumemuambia amuombe radhi Mtaalam Mohamed Said kwa kumwekea maneno mdomoni mwake hajarudi hadi hivi sasa,
Prof Anasema kwamba ile paper yake ina full version na kawaomba MODS WAIWEKE HUMU ILI TUJADILI KWA KINA
MODS hawajaiweka na stil tunaisubiri kwa ham kubwa.
NGURUVI3 KAMA MAPROFESA WENYEWE NI HAWA BASI KUNA SHIDA NCHI HII
HIVI PAPER NAYO YAHITAJI KUWA NA VERSIONS NGAPI??
teh teh teh
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THE BIG SHOW
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Nguruvi3 umepitwa wapi??
Mbona Profesa amesha omba RADHWI??
Sisi tupo chambilecho tunasubiri hiyo FULL VERSION YA PAPER YAKE.
Naam,mambo sasa yamekuwa matam zaid.
THE BIG SHOW
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Alhabiby GS,
Prof anashindwa kutofautisha baina ya MAU MAU na MAJI MAJI.
Prof anashindwa kutofautisha baina ya MAU MAU na MAJI MAJI.
boma2000
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Kuna watu 'wanalewa' hivyo fikra zao mpaka wanakufa zitaegemea udini.
Kuna watu wanaamini maisha ni rushwa bila rushwa hamna maendeleo binafsi na familia
Kuna watu ambao wanaamini katika haki na usawa, hawapendelei dini yoyote, mtu au kikundi cha watu katika kufanya maamuzi.
Kuna watu wengine ni kupinga tu hata ukimkuta anakula atapinga, pia wapo watu wa aina nyingine
Hivyo basi wale walio na mitazano ya kuegamia upande fulani ili mradi tu huwa ni watu wabaya na ndiyo chanzo cha hata migogoro. Prof hirji yuko sahihi sana
Kuna watu wanaamini maisha ni rushwa bila rushwa hamna maendeleo binafsi na familia
Kuna watu ambao wanaamini katika haki na usawa, hawapendelei dini yoyote, mtu au kikundi cha watu katika kufanya maamuzi.
Kuna watu wengine ni kupinga tu hata ukimkuta anakula atapinga, pia wapo watu wa aina nyingine
Hivyo basi wale walio na mitazano ya kuegamia upande fulani ili mradi tu huwa ni watu wabaya na ndiyo chanzo cha hata migogoro. Prof hirji yuko sahihi sana
Punjab Singh
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Don't you know the meaning of Hypothesis?
How can Hirji use hypothetical data to justify his critique? It is absurd!!! And you Nguruvi3 and your brothers in arms against Prof. M. Said are just pathetic bunch of diehards advocating the status quo and you want others to play parrots. It is pathetic!!
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Spike Lee
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Yupo sahihi kusema Mau Mau walipigana na Wajerumani.
Kweli mapenzi ni upofu.
Ahsante sana.
THE BIG SHOW
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Spike lee,
Kama kawaida yako,
You dont talk much.
Za masiku kaka?
Tupo hapa kwa raha zetu si unajua awapo Mtaaalam na mwanahistoria msomi Mohamed Said sisi wanafunzi wake tunaweka kambi??
Teh Teh Teh wallahi Mohamed Said Allah ampe umri mrefu zaid,
Kwa hakika kawafungua wengi sana.
Ni hazina kubwa sana hii kwa Taifa hili.
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