Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides

[FaizaFoxy]

I don't confuse hypothetical data will real data. But I question any hypothetical data which is paraded as real.

You call "hypothetical... data" something which is there?

 

[KVM]

You call "hypothetical... data" something which is there?

I have not said that anywhere.

 

[Nyakageni]

Soma tena, hivi ukisoma huelewi au ndiyo hizo shule mmeenda kufundishwa ujinga?

Kitwana Kondo amesema anayo ripoti na ameyasema hayo bungeni na hakuambiwa bungeni alete ushahidi na bungeni ni nani asiyejuwa kuwa ukisema uongo unaambiwa amma ufute kauli yako amma ulete ushahidi na ukishindwa kuuleta ushahidi unaadhibiwa kwa kanuni zao. Sasa wewe unaepinga hayo ya Kitwana Kondo, tuoneshe ni wapi bungeni aliambiwa kuwa hayo si ya kweli, migalatia iliyojaa pale ingemwacha? Fikiri japo kiduchu.

khaaaaah!! Wewe una matatizo, Peter Serukamba F**K YOU mbona hakuambiwa kitu?

hivi upuuzi wa bunge linaloongozwa kipuuzi ndiyo unatumia?

Kumbe siku hizi ukiwa unaandaa paper unachukua hadi maneno ya akina Asumpta Mshama eti kwa kuwa wako bungeni?

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Huu ni ugonjwa wetu waAfrika, tunapenda KUSIFIWA TU. Hatupendi mtu atoe fikra kinzani dhidi ya mitazamo tunayoishikiria.

Fikra kinzani za kufikirika? "hypothetically... Data.." na fikra kinzani zisizojuwa Mau Mau hawakupigana na Wajerumani?

Sasa hapo ni fikra kinzani au fikra potofu?

Hebu tuwe wakweli japo kiduchu.

 

[Nyakageni]

Soma tena, hivi ukisoma huelewi au ndiyo hizo shule mmeenda kufundishwa ujinga?

Kitwana Kondo amesema anayo ripoti na ameyasema hayo bungeni na hakuambiwa bungeni alete ushahidi na bungeni ni nani asiyejuwa kuwa ukisema uongo unaambiwa amma ufute kauli yako amma ulete ushahidi na ukishindwa kuuleta ushahidi unaadhibiwa kwa kanuni zao. Sasa wewe unaepinga hayo ya Kitwana Kondo, tuoneshe ni wapi bungeni aliambiwa kuwa hayo si ya kweli, migalatia iliyojaa pale ingemwacha? Fikiri japo kiduchu.

khaaaaah!! Wewe una matatizo, Peter Serukamba F**K YOU mbona hakuambiwa kitu?

hivi upuuzi wa bunge linaloongozwa kipuuzi ndiyo unatumia?

Kumbe siku hizi ukiwa unaandaa paper unachukua hadi maneno ya akina Asumpta Mshama eti kwa kuwa wako bungeni?

kumbe hata maana ya PT kwenye gari za polisi ni PIGA TU si imeongelewa bungeni tena na mvaa suti, msomi na guru wa sheria Tundu Lissu?

 

[kandukamo1]

Kandukamo1,
Nisikilize ndugu yangu.

Ukweli nilichukia lakini ile kuwa hapa nazungumza na wewe ni kuwa haya
yamepita.

Unajua huenda wako watu wako hapa kufanya mzaha.
Mimi siko hapa kutaniana na yeyote yule.

Ndiyo unaona nimekuja na jina langu halisi.

Mara kwa mara sisi Waislam tunapokuja na jambo zito kwetu tutaambiwa
na hawa mapagani na wao wakitaka?

Wasema hivyo ilahali wakijua sisi si watu wa kufanananishwa na yeyote.
Sisi tuna historia ya pekee katika nchi hii.

Na yako mengine lakini tuishie hapa.

Sasa mimi nahisi wewe ni mjuzi na unajua katika shule ya msingi sekondari
huwezi kuja na "variable," hiyo ya upagani.

Nikachukia sana.
Nikasema hawa wanataka hadi nchi hii iangamie ndipo tutanabahi?

Wanadhani hapo itakuwapo tena nafasi ya kulaumiana?
Tuendelee na mnakasha...

Naamini ushanifahamu.
Juu ya yote hayo tusameheane.

Mapagani= Wapagani. Nadhani huu ndio upatanisho wake kisarufi. Mswahili mwenzio FaizaFoxy anisaidie.

Mzee Mohamed Said, mimi nilikua sina hata chembe ya mzaha katika swali nililokuhoji, mbali ya upeo wangu finyu ktk hisabati lakini hilo nililolihoji niliona tatizo. Uliponiambia umekasirika juu yangu nilifadhaika sana kwa nini nimekuudhi? Niliamua kukaa pembeni kwa kuwa sikualikwa ktk baraza.

 

[Punjab Singh]

Baba/Babu yangu.
Dk.Mohammed Said.

nataka uniweke sawa..vitu kadhaa.

unachopigania hasa ni omission ya wazee wako katika hostoria ya Tanzania.

au unapigania waisilamu kuwekwa kwenye historia ya Tanzania kwa sababu ya kusahaulika.

au unapinga dhulma ya wazee wako waliofanyiwa na nyerere.

au unapinga dhulma waliofanyiwa waislamu na nyerere.?!

labda niseme unapigania watu maalumu na dhulma walizofanyiwa kwa kuwa ni waisilamu,au upo genera?!..

yaani unapigania waisilamu kwa ujumla?!

And if he tells you what you can do about it? Is it a problem to ask one of those items.

I bet you end up asking questions only?
Who among you can convince the Muslimans that Nyerere did more good to them than what he is being accused of.

By the way in what way do you follow Mwalimu legacy beside this Islamophibia.
You have thrown away the Ujamaa and the Arusha declaration for instance. Do you have any right to be advocates in his defense post humous?

Hirji is none other than one among The Die Hard JKN Apologists.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

khaaaaah!! Wewe una matatizo, Peter Serukamba F**K YOU mbona hakuambiwa kitu?

hivi upuuzi wa bunge linaloongozwa kipuuzi ndiyo unatumia?

Kumbe siku hizi ukiwa unaandaa paper unachukua hadi maneno ya akina Asumpta Mshama eti kwa kuwa wako bungeni?

Kwani hilo neno la Serukamba ni uongo? Fikiri.

Hebu tueleze sasa, Mau Mau walipigana na Mjerumani?

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Mapagani= Wapagani. Nadhani huu ndio upatanisho wake kisarufi. Mswahili mwenzio FaizaFoxy anisaidie.

Mzee Mohamed Said, mimi nilikua sina hata chembe ya mzaha katika swali nililokuhoji, mbali ya upeo wangu finyu ktk hisabati lakini hilo nililolihoji niliona tatizo. Uliponiambia umekasirika juu yangu nilifadhaika sana kwa nini nimekuudhi? Niliamua kukaa pembeni kwa kuwa sikualikwa ktk baraza.

Hapo huna hoja unahororoja na kubwabwaja bila mpango. Mohamed Said kishakupa jibu zuri sana tena la kiuungwana kabisa, kama unajuwa uungwana ni nini.

 

[Punjab Singh]

Fikra kinzani za kufikirika? "hypothetically... Data.." na fikra kinzani zisizojuwa Mau Mau hawakupigana na Wajerumani?

Sasa hapo ni fikra kinzani au fikra potofu?

Hebu tuwe wakweli japo kiduchu.

Sister FaizaFoxy,
They are D----, D----- and B---- they do not understand QB-177

 

[kandukamo1]

Fikra kinzani za kufikirika? "hypothetically... Data.." na fikra kinzani zisizojuwa Mau Mau hawakupigana na Wajerumani?

Sasa hapo ni fikra kinzani au fikra potofu?

Hebu tuwe wakweli japo kiduchu.

Nadhani hapo kwenye bold pekee palitosha Mohamed Said kuto jibu hoja kutoka matini chanzi. Kwa sababu sikumbuki kama amewahi kutoa utafiti unaohusu hapo penye bold ambapo hapatuhusu. Mimi nakuomba unisaidie kujibu hoja ya 71waislamu+29wakristo=100.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

I have not said that anywhere.

Indeed that was my question to you, go to post number one and remind yourself on "Hypothetically...Data...", is that your post or not?

And you came up with this:

By KVM
why would he write something which is not there?

And I asked you:

By FaizaFoxy
You call "hypothetical... data" something which is there?

Is your memory in retirement too? like that of Professor Hirji.

 

[Mohamed Said]

I don't confuse hypothetical data will real data. But I question any hypothetical data which is paraded as real.

KVM,

Hayo hapo chini ni kutoka kitabu changu cha Abdul Sykes.
Hebu soma kisha rejea utoe maoni yako.

Lakini ukitaka kuelewa zaidi hebu jiwekeni nyinyi katika nafasi ya Waislam
kisha mhisi mngejisikiaje endapo mnaposema kuwa watu wanaendesha udini
na kutubagua sisi Wakristo halafu Waislam wakaja na visingizio vya "data,"
na "research methodology," na nini...

Mifano iko mingi ya wenzetu walioangamiza nchi zao kwa kutojali.
Waislam ni nusu ya raia wa Tanzania.

Tusiachie ifike siku Waislam waseme, "Imetosha."
Hapatakuwa na mshindi.

Msomeni Bergen (1981), Sivalon (1992), Njozi (2000).

Hatari kuwapuuza na kuwafanya mzaha kwa mambo yasiyostahili mzaha:

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[TD]Betrayal of Ideals[/TD]
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[TD]On 5 th November, 1985, before he stepped down as president, Nyerere delivered an emotional speech to elders of Dar es Salaam. Most of them were former members of TANU-the townsman who supported Nyerere during the struggle for independence[1] Nyerere acknowledged the role of Muslims in those difficult days. Nyerere told his audience that the imbalances between Muslims and Christians which his government had inherited from the British were rectified under his rule:[/TD]
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[TD]And they (Muslims) gave us chance through our education policies, to correct the imbalances which we have done. I am now in the happy position of sometimes not knowing whether a new member of Parliament, a Minister, or a Principal Secretary in our government ministries, is a Muslim or a Christian or neither unless their first name happens to give it away. And even that is not a sure guide in Tanzania, for we have Christians with Muslim names, Muslims with Christian names. This religious tolerance and freedom is your creation; what I have done is to speak up for those values on your behalf. [2][/TD]
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[TD]The speech was a farce. The truth is that three decades after independence Muslim are not better off than they were under colonialism. Sivalon has revealed that the Church has been able to create its own lobby which controls 75% of the seats in the parliament. Among these seats 70% are held by Catholics and the rest are divided among Muslims and Christian denominations.[3][/TD]
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[TD]Since independence, when the Church felt threatened, it managed to check and keep in control post-independence Muslim drive with relative ease. The government was able to expend political power to slow down a Muslim drive for power sharing in the government. The Church ensured that the overthrow of the colonial state was not a setback to Christianity, although it was to be expected that the Church would have suffered with the fall of colonialism. Throughout its hundred years of existence, the Church was comfortable in its role as a true saviour of not only of the souls but also of the people. It felt secure and did not encounter a situation demanding it to assert its position or flex its muscles against the government because they controlled the source of its power.[/TD]
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[TD]It is important at this juncture to study the actual workings of Christian partisan politics in the government and its negative impact on Islam. The Ministry of Education has been deliberately selected as an example because of its importance to the society and its uniqueness. In this ministry one can, vividly observe the influence of Christianity in the distribution of important appointments, the imbalances between Muslims and Christians in the hierarchy and how religion seem to control those appointments. This is very important, because it was in this ministry, when for the first time a Muslim minister was appointed, that the Church intervened openly to protest against this and other appointments that followed. The government bowed under pressure and a Muslim minister, Professor Kighoma Ali Malima was removed from the ministry.[/TD]
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[TD]In 1987 Professor Malima became the first Muslim Minister of Education. Eight previous ministers were Christians. There were accusations that the ministry was a Christian stronghold, particularly when at one time a pastor was appointed minister to head the ministry. When Professor Malima became minister of education he thought it was imperative that some changes be effected in the ministry to win back the confidence of Muslims. There were accusations that the ministry was discriminating against Muslim youths, barring them from higher institutions of learning and was frustrating the career advancement of Muslims functionaries in the ministry.[/TD]
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[TD]Having seen this imbalance between Muslims and Christians in the ministry, Professor Malima appointed four Muslim directors to head different departments in the ministry and wrote a confidential report to President Ali Hassan Mwinyi [4]on the state of affairs he had found in the ministry. In that report [5] Professor Malima mentioned the stagnation of Muslims in education. This report somehow got leaked to the press and to other Christian personalities including former President Nyerere and then CCM Chairman Julius Nyerere.[/TD]
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[TD]The marginalisation of Muslims is so obvious and glaring in Tanzania that it does not require statistical proof. Any social scientist familiar with Tanzania will not fail to notice this fact. It is noticeable and evident in all spheres of life. The first serious attempt to bring the problem of marginalisation to the attention of Muslims was done by one Muslim youth organisation-Muslim Writers, popularly known as Warsha. In 1981 in a method of interacting with the general Muslim population never seen before, a research was conducted and the findings were published and distributed to all Muslims in Tanzania, showing low figures of Muslim admission into institutions of higher learning.[/TD]
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[TD]Aboud Jumbe, [6] former President of Zanzibar and First Vice-President of Tanzania, has made a statistical analysis of Muslim placement in the government, the parliament and in institutions of higher learning. The figures are shocking. In some institutions Muslims are noticeable by their absence. Jumbe's expose was the second serious documented attempt to put this problem out in the open with the hope that the government would feel compelled and obligated to rectify the anomaly.[/TD]
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[TD]Other attempts have been made in the past by individuals such as Sheikh Abubakar Mwilima, then member of the National Executive of the party to try to put this problem to the government and the ruling party. Unique in this is the fact that all those who have tried to put this problem before the government agenda have not survived. Their political life or career was curtailed-Chief Abdallah Said Fundikira, Tewa Said Tewa, Bibi Titi Mohamed, Mufti Sheikh Hassan bin Amir, Mussa Kwikima, Sheikh Abubakar Mwilima, Professor Kighoma Ali Malima and others. It is from this point that Muslims began to whisper about conspiracy against them. This came to be confirmed later when Christian writers began to research on the effect of Christianity on state administration; and not caring about the repercussions of their findings to Muslims they detailed how Muslims have been sidelined with government connivance.[/TD]
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[1] See footnote no.19.

[2] Daily News, 6 th November, 1985

[3] Sivalon, op.cit. p. 49.

[4] Ali Hassan Mwinyi : President 1985-1995

[5] See Kiongozi, July 15 th-31 th, 1993.

[6] Aboud Jumbe, The Partner-Ship, Amana Publishers, Dar es Salaam, 1995, pp. 125-138.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Mohamed Said
Sijui kama unaona jinsi mijadala ya kifikra inavyogeuga kuwa mijadala ya kashfa na matusi
Nilidhani ungeongoza katika kujibu hoja za Hirji ili tupate pande zote mbili za shilingi!

Kinyume chake tunaona picha na matusi.

Ningeshauri upitie hoja za Hirji ili kulitendea haki jamvi. Inavyoonekana nyuzi zinazokuhusu zinaambatana na matusi, sijui kama ungependa unasibishwe na hilo.

Umepata jibu kwanini wale uliosema 'wenzetu' wanakimbia jamvi? maana kuna tofauti kati ya jamvi na amvi! oops!

Ni ushauri tu

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Nadhani hapo kwenye bold pekee palitosha Mohamed Said kuto jibu hoja kutoka matini chanzi. Kwa sababu sikumbuki kama amewahi kutoa utafiti unaohusu hapo penye bold ambapo hapatuhusu. Mimi nakuomba unisaidie kujibu hoja ya 71waislamu+29wakristo=100.

Utakumbuka wapi na wewe unaonesha hata paper ya Mohamed Said inayoongelewa hapa hujaisoma. Nenda kaisome utakuta kaongelea Mau Mau, lakini si kama Professor Hirji alivyopotosha katika post namba moja.

Hiyo hoja yako mbona nimeijibu zamani sana, rudia post namba

 

[kandukamo1]

Hapo huna hoja unahororoja na kubwabwaja bila mpango. Mohamed Said kishakupa jibu zuri sana tena la kiuungwana kabisa, kama unajuwa uungwana ni nini.

Muungwana hakasiriki ktk masuala ya kitaaluma. Yeye kaona sikustahili kubwabwajiwa ndio maana akajirudi kiungwana kunitaka radhi kiungwana. Au mkubwa kujirudi kwa mdogo ni dhambi?

 

[kandukamo1]

Utakumbuka wapi na wewe unaonesha hata paper ya Mohamed Said inayoongelewa hapa hujaisoma. Nenda kaisome utakuta kaongelea Mau Mau, lakini si kama Professor Hirji alivyopotosha katika post namba moja.

Hiyo hoja yako mbona nimeijibu zamani sana, rudia post namba

Iyo paper nimeisoma tangu jana usiku na swali langu nilimhoji tangu post 18 alobandika lakini hakunijibu.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Nadhani hapo kwenye bold pekee palitosha Mohamed Said kuto jibu hoja kutoka matini chanzi. Kwa sababu sikumbuki kama amewahi kutoa utafiti unaohusu hapo penye bold ambapo hapatuhusu. Mimi nakuomba unisaidie kujibu hoja ya 71waislamu+29wakristo=100.

Utakumbuka wapi na wewe unaonesha hata paper ya Mohamed Said inayoongelewa hapa hujaisoma. Nenda kaisome utakuta kaongelea Mau Mau, lakini si kama Professor Hirji alivyopotosha katika post namba moja.

Hiyo hoja yako mbona nimeijibu zamani sana, rudia post namba 306

 

[Nyakageni]

Kwani hilo neno la Serukamba ni uongo? Fikiri.

Hebu tueleze sasa, Mau Mau walipigana na Mjerumani?

nimekuuliza swali hujajibu nawe unauliza swali!

umenikumbusha swali langu kwako kule jukwaa la dini kuhusu "mtume Muhamad yuko ahera au jehanam" hadi kesho hutolijibu.

hapa napo nimekuuliza kuhusu utafiti wa Mohamed Said
1. Umefanyikia mikoa gani?

2. Sampling method ipi?

3. Sampling technique ipi?

4. Data analysis ilikuwaje?

5.How was Analysis of Variance done?

6. How was data interpreted?

HATUBADILI HISTORIA YA NCHI kwa utafiti wa Buguruni pekee na samples za misikitini pekee

 

[Nyakageni]

Mohamed Said
Sijui kama unaona jinsi mijadala ya kifikra inavyogeuga kuwa mijadala ya kashfa na matusi
Nilidhani ungeongoza katika kujibu hoja za Hirji ili tupate pande zote mbili za shilingi!

Kinyume chake tunaona picha na matusi.

Ningeshauri upitie hoja za Hirji ili kulitendea haki jamvi. Inavyoonekana nyuzi zinazokuhusu zinaambatana na matusi, sijui kama ungependa unasibishwe na hilo.

Umepata jibu kwanini wale uliosema 'wenzetu' wanakimbia jamvi? maana kuna tofauti kati ya jamvi na amvi! oops!

Ni ushauri tu

soon watakuja vijana wake na kushusha maneno ya kejeli!

mi nawajibu kiyahudi tu, JINO KWA JINO! Sigeuzi shavu la kushoto