Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides

[mfumo]

Professor anapojibu "Paper" iliyoenda shule kwa "hypothetical" data, halafu bado tunashangilia.

Professor Hirji kukiri tu kuwa hizo ni "hypothetical...Data..." ni kuwa amekiri kuwa data zake ni za ni kufikirika, jee na hao "Four people interpreted the data." ni akina nani zaidi ya wakufikirika?

Ikiwa hawa ndiyo ma Professor wetu hao wanafunzi sijui wakoje?

Sasa nnaamini kabisa kuwa wanafunzi wa Professor kama huyu wanakwenda kusomea ujinga.

Tupo hapa kwa kujadili data za kufikirika!!! kweli?! This is a shame. Yaani Great thinkers wanaumiza vichwa vyao kwa

kujadili data za kufikirika!!! In fact, Hii paper haina viwango vya kujadiliwa hapa. Natamani nimuone huyu Prof. MSHIA

amekaaaje kaaje. Wito wangu kwako Prof. kama upo hapa, paper yako haina ukweli ni ya kufikirikafikirika tu. mapenzi

yako kwa Nyerere Mfia dini usitulazimishe na sisi. Hatutaki kuwa na mapenzi kwa mtu aliyetudhulumu kwa miaka 27

ya uongozi wake. Nyie maretired professors mna matatizo sana.

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Wanasema mara nyingine ukimya ndio jibu la mjinga . Uhenda wametumia falsafa ya mpuuzi mpuuze.

= Huenda

 

[authentic]

Baba/Babu yangu.
Dk.Mohammed Said.

nataka uniweke sawa..vitu kadhaa.

unachopigania hasa ni omission ya wazee wako katika hostoria ya Tanzania.

au unapigania waisilamu kuwekwa kwenye historia ya Tanzania kwa sababu ya kusahaulika.

au unapinga dhulma ya wazee wako waliofanyiwa na nyerere.

au unapinga dhulma waliofanyiwa waislamu na nyerere.?!

labda niseme unapigania watu maalumu na dhulma walizofanyiwa kwa kuwa ni waisilamu,au upo genera?!..

yaani unapigania waisilamu kwa ujumla?!

 

[Mohamed Said]

Hoja ipi ya kujibiwa? Hirji ka criticize, kaulizwa maswali mawili mawili tu, hajajibu mpaka sasa au wakala wakala wake KVM hajajibu, kakwepa.

Mimi binafsi nimeonesha mapungufu ya maandiko ya Hirji ambayo hakuna aliyekuja na jibu, kuna mmoja tu kaja kasema hizo data kweli za kufikirika. Unajuwa hiyo maana yake nini kisomi? maana yake critissm ya Hirji yote inafaa itupwe kwenye garbage bin.

Lakini ili tuwape wengi faida na darsa, tutauendeleza mnakasha tartiiiiibu tuwape darsa, nnauhakika wengi wenu mtafaidika, maana mnaonesha kuwa wengi wenu hamko katika kiwango cha usomi wa kuweza kukabiliana na minakasha ya kisomi na hii ni fursa yenu kujipatia mawili matatu.

Professor Hirji, kwa kushindwa kuelewa tu Mau Mau na Wajerumani ni kama mbingu na ardhi na akaandika hivyo katika hizi pumba zake anaonesha kuwa ni Professor bogus (with all due respect).

Na hilo la kukiri kwake kuwa ana criticize kwa kutumia "hypothetical... data..." ndiyo kama nilivyokueleza awali, na laiti ingalikuwa kaileta hii criticism kwenye jopo la wasomi na kuna Mwenyekiti, Mwenyekiti tayari angeshamwambia "shut up, seat down and listen to other scholars".

Nawahurumia sana wanafunzi wanaofundwa na "Professor" kama huyu Hirji, hakuna zaidi bali wanajazwa ujinga tu.

FF,
Dada yangu...
Kinywa kimenikauka mate.

Halafu wewe ndiyo wakakufelisha usiendelee na masomo wakachukua
wanafunzi wa dini yao kuwapeleka sekondari.

Wewe pekee ni data tosha ya dhulma zao.
Salaam zako zimefika kwa mwenyewe Prof. Hirji au kwa mwakilishi wake
KVM.

Namwomba Nguruvi3 ategue kitendawili hiki hapa chini.
Kikimshinda arejee kwangu bila mji nitamweleza niliyosikia kutoka kwa wazee wangu.

[TABLE="width: 595"] [TR] [TD]"Why Mwalimu Julius Nyerere did not reveal much of his early life in Dar es Salaam of 1950s and about the people who were with him. Why Mwalimu Nyerere took this position now remains a rhetoric question. Was Mwalimu Nyerere trying to conceal something or is this an innocent omission? Mwalimu Nyerere however talked to Lady Judith Listowel in 1963 who had come to Tanganyika to research on a book (The Making of Tanganyika) she was writing. Judith Listowel was the wife of the last governor of Gold Coast (Ghana). She was put in contact to Ally Sykes by Peter Colmore in Nairobi. Listowel came to Dar es Salaam and interviewed Abdulwahid, Ally Sykes and Julius Nyerere. In that book Mwalimu paid a glowing tribute to fellow nationalists who had preceded him in the political arena. The Making of Tanganyika published in London in 1965 is now out of print book. In Tanzania there are only two copies in existence, one is at the University of Dar es Salaam Library and the other one is with Ally Sykes. There are reports that Mwalimu Nyerere was under tremendous pressure from friends, supporters as well as from cronies to write his memoir but flatly refused. It is reported that Mwalimu even refused to meet an Oxford University Press representative who wanted to discuss about writing of his memoir. Was Mwalimu Nyerere through his silence sending a terse message? It was only when Mwalimu Nyerere was severely criticized in two books: Conflict and Harmony in Zanzibar by Ali Muhsin Barwan and The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes 1924 -1968 by Mohamed Said that it is said Mwalimu Nyerere succumbed to that pressure and told his confidants to form a committee which he would talk to about his life and from that interaction they would be able to write his biography. But although the committee was formed it never got off the ground as Mwalimu was in failing health and soon died on 14 th October 1999." Mohamed Said 29 September 2008 Niko na Peter Colmore Nyumbani Kwake Muthaiga, Nairobi 1995

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Na Sheikh Ali Muhsin Barwani Nyumani Kwake Muscat,
Oman 1999

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Muhasisi wa TANU ni Mwl Nyerere, hao kina Sykes walikuwa na kijiwe cha soga kinaitwa TAA .

Muasisi.

 

[authentic]

Mohamed Said

Samahani mzee wangu.

kwa heshima na taadhima.

naomba usahihi wa picha na tarehe.

maana kwenye picha imeandika tarehe 3/11/2007.

kisha ume type '1995'

 

[Mohamed Said]

Baba/Babu yangu.
Dk.Mohammed Said.

nataka uniweke sawa..vitu kadhaa.

unachopigania hasa ni omission ya wazee wako katika hostoria ya Tanzania.

au unapigania waisilamu kuwekwa kwenye historia ya Tanzania kwa sababu ya kusahaulika.

au unapinga dhulma ya wazee wako waliofanyiwa na nyerere.

au unapinga dhulma waliofanyiwa waislamu na nyerere.?!

labda niseme unapigania watu maalumu na dhulma walizofanyiwa kwa kuwa ni waisilamu,au upo genera?!..

yaani unapigania waisilamu kwa ujumla?!

Aunthetic,
Unachotaka kujua khasa ni nini?
Nifahamishe ili nikupe jibu litakalofaa.

 

[authentic]

Aunthetic,
Unachotaka kujua khasa ni nini?
Nifahamishe ili nikupe jibu litakalofaa.

sawa mzee wangu.

labda nirahisishe.

unapigania wazee wako au unapigania waisilamu na uisilamu kwa ujumla?!.

 

[Jodoki Kalimilo]

Yetu macho ngoja tuendelee kufuatilia malumbano ya hoja

 

[Mohamed Said]

samahani mzee wangu.

kwa heshima na taadhima.

naomba usahihi wa picha na tarehe.



maana kwenye picha imeandika tarehe 3/11/2007.

kisha ume type '1995'

Authentic,
Hizo picha nilipiga katika zile camera zetu kabla ya digital.
Sasa ili kuweza kuzihifadhi hizo picha nimezipiga katika digital
ndiyo unaona tarehe zimepishana.

 

[authentic]

Authentic,
Hizo picha nilipiga katika zile camera zetu kabla ya digital.
Sasa ili kuweza kuzihifadhi hizo picha nimezipiga katika digital
ndiyo unaona tarehe zimepishana.

nashukuru.

me npo hapa kujifunza kutoka kwako.

nashukuru kupata fursa hii.

japo ni online sio phisicaly.

ila naamini nitajifunza,kipindi kile na yericko nyerere nilikua nakusoma juujuu maana nilikua masomoni.

ila sasa npo likizo,naamini nitastafidi japo kwa uchache.

plz,usichoke na maswali yangu.

 

[Mohamed Said]

nashukuru.

me npo hapa kujifunza kutoka kwako.

nashukuru kupata fursa hii.

japo ni online sio phisicaly.

ila naamini nitajifunza,kipindi kile na yericko nyerere nilikua nakusoma juujuu maana nilikua masomoni.

ila sasa npo likizo,naamini nitastafidi japo kwa uchache.

plz,usichoke na maswali yangu.

Authentic,
Unaweza kusoma kitabu changu, "The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes..."
Kinauzwa Tanzania Publishing House (TPH), Samora shs: 15,000.00 Ibn
Hazim Media Centre, Msikiti wa Mtoro na Manyema shs: 10,000.00.

Kipo pia cha Kiswahili.
Ingia hapa Mohamed Said yapo mengi katika historia ya Tanzania.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Muasisi.

FF,
Matumbo "Muhasisi" anasema kuwa TAA kilikuwa "kijiwe cha soga..."
Kwani Nyerere alikuwa mtu wa kijiweni hadi ajiunge na kijiwe cha soga?

"Muhasisi" namuwekea hii kidogo kisha nataka nimsikize atarudi na rangi gani:

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[TD]''In 1951 Kenyatta proposed another meeting between KAU and TAA to be held in Arusha. [1] In a message which was delivered by a mutual confidant, Kenyatta insisted that TAA leadership should go to the meeting armed. TAA nominated Abdulwahid, Dossa Aziz and Stephen Mhando to attend the Arusha meeting. Abdulwahid owned a pistol given to him during the war by a white officer as a birthday present because their birthday happened to conside. Dossa Aziz was a proud owner of a powerful five-shot repeater gun. It is not known if Mhando owned any firearm.[/TD]
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[TD]The TAA delegates travelled separately in order to cover their movements. Dossa Aziz was the first among the four delegates to leave for Arusha via Dodoma. In those days there was no direct route to Arusha. Travellers to Arusha had to pass through Dodoma. Dossa Aziz took with him his five-shot repeater gun. In Dodoma Dossa Aziz was received by Ali Juma Ponda, the TAA Central Province Secretary, and after being briefed by Dossa Aziz about the scheduled TAA and KAU meeting, Ponda informed Dossa Aziz that he had received report that there had been serious skimishes between the Mau Mau and British troops; that the KAU leadership was being rounded up and it was very unlikely that Kenyatta and his delegation would travel to Arusha. Dossa Aziz changed his mind and proceeded to Mwanza by train to inspect TAA branches. Abdulwahid and Mhando received similar reports on time and were warned not to proceed to Arusha because of the unforseen events in Kenya.[/TD]
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[TD]In Mwanza Dossa Aziz was received by Dr Joseph Mutahangarwa, TAA Vice-President in Lake Province. Dr Mutahangarwa was the first African to qualify as a medical doctor. After learning about the Arusha meeting, Dr Mutahangarwa warned Dossa Aziz about the risk Abdulwahid was taking as Secretary and Acting President of the Association. Dr Mutahangarwa pointed out to Dossa Aziz the dangers that the Association and its leadership would face should the government discover that TAA was trying to link its own struggle with that of KAU. These fears expressed by Dr Mutahangarwa were without doubt genuine because KAU was suspected of supporting and providing leadership to Mau Mau, with Kenyatta and Kaggia as ringleaders. Dossa Aziz boarded a ship at Mwanza for Bukoba where he was received by Chief Rutinwa and other members of the TAA Bukoba branch, including veteran politician Ali Migeyo and Suedi Kagasheki.'' [2][/TD]
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''Muhasisi,''
Umeona mipango ya ''kijiwe cha soga'' cha TAA?

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[1] Information from Dossa Aziz.

[2] For a profile of Suedi Kagasheki, see Mutahaba, op. cit.

 

[Ritz]

Mkuu Nguruvi3.

Ukifurisika tunakuomba utufanyie tafsri kwenye haya maandiko ya Professor wetu bingwa Hirji.

Said implies that Muslims were at the forefront of the Mau Mau uprising against German rule. But he fails to note that the Germans used Kiswahili, and for a time, the Arabic script, to administer the colony. That was strongly opposed by Christian missionaries. The German colonial authorities utilized the existing Madrasa system to recruit low-level clerks.

 

[kandukamo1]

Mzee Mohamed Said nimehoji ukokotozi wa Kitwana Kondo ati asilimia 71 waliofanya mtihani wa darasa la saba mwaka 1999 walikua waislamu na asilimia 29 walikua wakristo, (71+29=100). Kwa hesabu hiyo unataka kuniambia watahiniwa wote wa mwaka huo walikua waamini wa imani za kimapokeo na sie wa imani za kishenzi hatukua kati ya watahiniwa?
cc. Nyakageni, Nguruvi3, Mzee Mwanakijiji.

 

[Ritz]

Yetu macho ngoja tuendelee kufuatilia malumbano ya hoja

Hakuna malumbano kuna darsa tu.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mudeer Salaaam aleykuym.

Leo naona UNAFUNGUA MIKOBA ADIMU SANA WALLAHI ...!!!

LEO TUTAKESHA HAPA INSHA ALLAH

JAMVI HILI LEO LINATETEMEKA..!!

NAKUVULIA KOFIA MUDEER

:yo: :yo: :yo: :yo:

The Big Show,
Siku zote huwaambia watu kuwa mimi si kama ni mjanja sana kujua historia
hii.

Hapana.
Mimi bahati yangu ni kuwa nimezaliwa na wazee hawa na kwa wakati ule
wao wakiwa katika mapambano na ukoloni wa Waingereza.

Baadhi ya mambo nimeshuhudia na baadhi ya watu nimewaona kwa jicho
langu.

Lakini mimi nimezaliwa mjini na huku kuzaliwa mjini peke yake ni elimu
tosha.

Nimejua mengi na nimejifunza mengi kwa kuwa katika mazingira haya.
Wazee walikuwa wakali kuhusu dini, maadili na adabu.

 

[Jodoki Kalimilo]

Hakuna malumbano kuna darsa tu.

Ndio tumekaa pembeni tunasikilizia tu hilo darsa

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mzee Mohamed Said nimehoji ukokotozi wa Kitwana Kondo ati asilimia 71 waliofanya mtihani wa darasa la saba mwaka 1999 walikua waislamu na asilimia 29 walikua wakristo, (71+29=100). Kwa hesabu hiyo unataka kuniambia watahiniwa wote wa mwaka huo walikua waamini wa imani za kimapokeo na sie wa imani za kishenzi hatukua kati ya watahiniwa?

Kandukamo1,
Unang'ang'ania kuwalazimisha wanafunzi wawe mapagani.

Ilishafanyika tafiti na Warsha mwaka 1981 kuusu matatizo haya haya ya
dhulma katika elimu kwa Waislam.

Hicho kipengele tunakijua sana.

Nilishawishika kukupuuza kwa kuwa hakika nimekasirika.

Nasema moyoni hivi huyu anajiona yeye ndiyo mwenye elimu peke
yake na sisi sote ni mbumbumbu hapa pamoja na Mzee Kondo?

Mzee Kondo kasoma Howard University, Washington DC.
Kozi yake ilikuwa Strategic Studies.

Hilo si swali la kutuuliza sisi.
Fanya utafiti wako na tuletee idadi ya wanafunzi mapagani hapa JF.

Katika Mahojiano ya TV na Mzee Kondo Nyumbani Kwake Upanga, Dar es Salaam

 

[Bill Cosby]

Baba/Babu yangu.
Dk.Mohammed Said.

nataka uniweke sawa..vitu kadhaa.

unachopigania hasa ni omission ya wazee wako katika hostoria ya Tanzania.

au unapigania waisilamu kuwekwa kwenye historia ya Tanzania kwa sababu ya kusahaulika.

au unapinga dhulma ya wazee wako waliofanyiwa na nyerere.

au unapinga dhulma waliofanyiwa waislamu na nyerere.?!

labda niseme unapigania watu maalumu na dhulma walizofanyiwa kwa kuwa ni waisilamu,au upo genera?!..

yaani unapigania waisilamu kwa ujumla?!

Hakuna anaepigana hapa! Unatakiwa umsome mzee Mohamed vizuri kabla ya kuuliza haya maswali.

Mzee Mohamed anachofanya hapa na siku zote ni Kuonyesha Historia Ya Kweli ya nchi yetu ambayo Mfumo Kristo uliikali na kuitia kapuni.
Ni ukweli usiopingika kuwa Asilimia Kubwa Ya Wapigania uhuru wa nchi hii walikuwa WAISLAMU na bahati Nzuri nae Mzee Mohamed Ni Muislamu.
Kwa mgongano huu ndio maana ukaona WAGALATIA wanamuona Mzee Mohamed Mdini,.kumbe ni elimu yao chache ndio inayowazuia Kuona Mambo Nje ya Box!

Kabla ya Kuuitizama Imani Ya Mzee Mohamed Said Jaribuni Kusoma Anachofundisha Kwanza.

Manake Waefeso na Wagalatia Wakishaona UISLAMU TU basi akili zao zinavurugika kabisa Kiasi kwamba hata Ukiwatajia Nyumba wao wanachoona pale ni Msikiti.

Tokeni Nje ya Box la UDINI mpate Faida Ya Mafunzo ya Huyu Mzee Muungwana.