Azania Front Lutheran Church

[KyelaBoy]

 

[Masanja]

Whenever I look at such buildings, I wonder whether we have architects remaining in our country. Au wanafundishwa nini haswa huko Ardhi University? (waliosoma hapo). Maana majengo mengi ya mjini..ni kama copy and paste. Hakuna creativity..ni maghorofa na kubandika vioo. Imagine majengo kama Benjamini Mkapa towers, kariakoo ndo usiseme....et al...yaani hayana mvuto kabisa. Ila angalia St. Joseph, au hata hili la Azania..you can really see that someone sat down and did his or her homework. Ofcourse..there are good architects..I suppose.....but..mti hujulikana kwa matunda yake!

Kuna ghorofa moja lipo opposite na Mlimani City..(naona siku hizi hata NSSF wamepanga hapo)..niliuliza nikaambiwa ni la architect mmoja wa hapa mjini! Honestly..kama Architects anaweza kudesign jengo kama lile na ni la kwake (I am not sure..niliambiwa)..its really an insult to the professional itself. Yaani the building is ugly..super ugly....sijui huyu bwana aliwaza nini....anyway..ndo hela za kifisadi..mtu unataka uzitumie faster..kabla mrija haujakata. Its tragic lakini kwamba vijana wetu wanakosa creativity. That location is so potential....Angeweka structure ya maana.. I believe kila client mwenye shughuli zake angependa ahamie pale.....duh...bongo bwana...mpaka inasikitisha..sasa huyo ukimpa akufanyie design ya nyumba..what will happen? kama yake alidisign vile?

Masanja

 

[Safari_ni_Safari]

Tafadhali usilinganishe uzuri wa nyumba za ibada na majengo ya kibiashara!

 

[Masanja]

Tafadhali usilinganishe uzuri wa nyumba za ibada na majengo ya kibiashara!

Mkuu mimi sijaongelea uzuri wa jengo. I am simply talking of creativity. Uzuri ni relative term. Kila mtu ana namna anayoutafsiri. Ila kitu chenye creativity. Anyone see and appreciate. We call it human ingenuity.

Asante

 

[kwamtoro]

Loohh! Hapo kufunga ndoa jiwe mbili.

 

[Vituka]

Mhhh, hawa graduates wa siku hizi ni jnga la kitaifa. Mtu ana degree ya Electrical Engineering halafu home mkitaka kubadili bulb tu jamaa hawezi excuses kibao!!Hahahaha

 

[grafani11]

Mhhh, hawa graduates wa siku hizi ni jnga la kitaifa. Mtu ana degree ya Electrical Engineering halafu home mkitaka kubadili bulb tu jamaa hawezi excuses kibao!!Hahahaha

Hahahahahaaaaaaa....mkuu umenikumbusha hapa jirani mtaani kwangu kulikuwa na mwalimu mmoja wa Physics tena A LEVEL Mbezi Beach High School, kufunga antena ya Chadema tu iliwahi kumshinda. Kuna siku alinikuta kwa fundi umeme akiwa na pasi, anadai pasi yake haiingizi moto kumbe tatizo lilikuwa waya mmoja kati ya tatu ulikuwa umechomoka ndani....

Fundi akamlamba elfu tano....

 

[grafani11]

Loohh! Hapo kufunga ndoa jiwe mbili.

Ndiyo maana vijana hawaoni siku hizi..... hapo bado hujalipia kwaya, mapambo ya kanisa nk...

 

[Safari_ni_Safari]

Mkuu mimi sijaongelea uzuri wa jengo. I am simply talking of creativity. Uzuri ni relative term. Kila mtu ana namna anayoutafsiri. Ila kitu chenye creativity. Anyone see and appreciate. We call it human ingenuity.

Asante

Hapa unahitaji creativity gani ya zaidi mkuu?

 

[Vituka]

Loohh! Hapo kufunga ndoa jiwe mbili.

Samahani kwani jiwe mbili ndo sh ngapi vile?2 million au 200,000!

 

[grafani11]

Samahani kwani jiwe mbili ndo sh ngapi vile?2 million au 200,000!

Ninavyofahamu mimi jiwe ni laki....kunikosoa inaruhusiwa....

 

[zumbemkuu]

Hapa unahitaji creativity gani ya zaidi mkuu?

architect ni Y&P, Masanja anashindwa kutofautisha modern architecture na old era,

 

[Safari_ni_Safari]

architect ni Y&P, Masanja anashindwa kutofautisha modern architecture na old era,

Halafu hiyo ni full office block.....

 

[Masanja]

architect ni Y&P, Masanja anashindwa kutofautisha modern architecture na old era,

Mkuu, call me names as you like. lakini this building to me kwa kweli it doesnt cut-tena la architect? Please...... Unajua kama umebahatika kutembea duniani..we learn alot from others. So perhaps, I expected too much. Mkuu hilo jengo sioni tofauti na magereza ya Minneapolis au zile nyumba za wasomali mitaa ile ile!

I am not an architect. But I know one when I see one.


Ndo maana hata kama siyo mwanasheria.......ila Tundu Lissu akiongea na mwanasheria Mkuu Werema akiongea..hata ukiwa unakunywa Lubisi pale Lusahunga na hukwenda shule.....utajua mwanasheria ni yupi na mbabaishaji ni yupi.

Asante.

 

[Architect E.M]

Mkuu, call me names as you like. lakini this building to me kwa kweli it doesnt cut-tena la architect? Please...... Unajua kama umebahatika kutembea duniani..we learn alot from others. So perhaps, I expected too much. Mkuu hilo jengo sioni tofauti na magereza ya Minneapolis au zile nyumba za wasomali mitaa ile ile!

I am not an architect. But I know one when I see one.


Ndo maana hata kama siyo mwanasheria.......ila Tundu Lissu akiongea na mwanasheria Mkuu Werema akiongea..hata ukiwa unakunywa Lubisi pale Lusahunga na hukwenda shule.....utajua mwanasheria ni yupi na mbabaishaji ni yupi.

Asante.

masanja, sikatai unayoyasema, kwa kweli majengo mengi ni copy and paste na architects sometimes dont play their role.

ila, na nyie pia clients, play your part. an architects fee is supposed to be atleast 6% ya total project cost. leo hii unajenga nyumba yako ya lets say 100m.. upo tayari kunilipa 6m for the design??,,, kama wewe haupo tayari kulipa 6 % , kwanini utegemee the best design???

i Think the solution to this is that, both parties should play their part. architects should do their best should to come up with iconic and creative designs, but also clients should be ready to pay the real worth of the design.

na kitu kingne pia, kumbuka very fancy designs costs very high kwenye construction as well, na kila mtu anataka kusave cost na kumaximize profit. this also is a hitch back in our profession.

i hope utanielewa na tutabalance mada.

 

[Masanja]

masanja, sikatai unayoyasema, kwa kweli majengo mengi ni copy and paste na architects sometimes dont play their role.

ila, na nyie pia clients, play your part. an architects fee is supposed to be atleast 6% ya total project cost. leo hii unajenga nyumba yako ya lets say 100m.. upo tayari kunilipa 6m for the design??,,, kama wewe haupo tayari kulipa 6 % , kwanini utegemee the best design???

i Think the solution to this is that, both parties should play their part. architects should do their best should to come up with iconic and creative designs, but also clients should be ready to pay the real worth of the design.

na kitu kingne pia, kumbuka very fancy designs costs very high kwenye construction as well, na kila mtu anataka kusave cost na kumaximize profit. this also is a hitch back in our profession.

i hope utanielewa na tutabalance mada.

Kiongozi, heshima mbele!

Yaani its like you were in my mind. Kiukweli hata sisi wananchi/clients tunachangia sana. Unakuta jamaa kajenga nyumba..unamwambia..hebu nipe ramani yako. Bottomline, anayelaumiwa ni architect. Mkuu mi naamini wewe ni Architect, ninachojaribu kupoint out hapa siyo uzuri wa jengo. Ila I am simply trying to show kwamba majengo yetu mengi yanakosa creativity. I can say human touch..yaani ukiona jengo..unasema woow.....wenyewe wanasema the woow factor.

Sasa I am sorry lakini kama hilo jengo hapo juu ni la YandP kiukweli..haliakisi hali halisi. I mean..its easy kujenga jengo dogo..lakini likawa so nice..hata mtu akiliona..anajua kabisa..somebody did his or her homework.... Mfano chukulia designer wa soko la Kariakoo (I guess in mbongo wenzetu)..halafu chukulia ule uchafu wa pale karume..the so called Machinga complex! Hivi kweli can you stand ukatetea uchafu kama ule? Aliyedisign akipita pale anajisikiaje? Hata machinga ambao hawana kisomo hawalitaka...not user friendly..nada.... Ok, clients wanachangia..lakini huoni kama Architects angejiongeza Manispaa/Jiji wangekubali? Maana vingine tusisingizie tuu..kuna watu wanapenda vitu vizuri...ila information hawana. na professionals wengi wa bongo..tumeshakuwa na kiswahili kirefu..we adore 10%.....too much visingizio.

I personally mkuu...I would love..unipe options zote..then niamue.

I repeat..tusifanye kazi kwa mazoea. As an Architect...how do you feel..mtu akisifia kazi yako..maana..unafanya kazi inayoonekana na kila mtu..so ukifanya mambo dodgy dodgy..ndo matokeo yake.

Juzi nilipita mitaa ya Kikwete kule magogoni nikaona jengo nikaambiwa alidisign jamaa anaitwa Mkony..something like that..I mean when I saw it..I could easily tell this was classy. Sasa unajenga ghorofa kama gereza la ulaya unatwambia eti ni creativity? Please..I repeat..I am no Architect..but I know one when I see one.

By the way hata huko ulaya na kwingineko watu wanajenga mpaka leo siyo majengo ya victorian era tuu. But you clearly see..innovation at work.

Naamini bongo kuna architects wazuri tuu..they still stick and value their integrity. Lakini I must admist..majengo yetu mengi..creativity ni zero! Juzi napita Millenium tower..jengo linavuja...tena maji machafu....hardly ten years limefunguliwa!!!! Ukiuliza..utaambiwa aliyejenga ndo mwenye makosa...bongo....wacha tuu...

 

[zumbemkuu]

Mkuu, call me names as you like. lakini this building to me kwa kweli it doesnt cut-tena la architect? Please...... Unajua kama umebahatika kutembea duniani..we learn alot from others. So perhaps, I expected too much. Mkuu hilo jengo sioni tofauti na magereza ya Minneapolis au zile nyumba za wasomali mitaa ile ile!

I am not an architect. But I know one when I see one.


Ndo maana hata kama siyo mwanasheria.......ila Tundu Lissu akiongea na mwanasheria Mkuu Werema akiongea..hata ukiwa unakunywa Lubisi pale Lusahunga na hukwenda shule.....utajua mwanasheria ni yupi na mbabaishaji ni yupi.

Asante.

mkuu kale ka theory ka likes and dislikes kamekupitia pembeni?? (kidding)
narudi kwenye hoja yako sasa, kwanza hiyo ni office block, pili complex design nyingi zinakuwa na cost kubwa kwenye construction tofauti na ma'box, so huwezi jua client budget yake ilikuwajae, kama Architect E.M alivyosema, ubahili wa ma'cliant to both consultation fees na construction cost vina athiri moja kwa moja design, ila kiufupi hata ukitaka design ya nyumba inayo'inspire mtiririko wa maji au kanga inayopeperushwa na upepo architect anaweza,

 

[theki]

Loohh! Hapo kufunga ndoa jiwe mbili.

Mdau acha uongo utakuzeesha mapema.

 

[zumbemkuu]

Masanja soko la kariakoo architect ni mtanzania Abeda Amuri (R.I.P) napia nayeye ali'copy toka ufaransa kama sikosei, ngoja Safari_ni_Safari aje atuwekee na picha,
jengo la Mecon (Mcony) unalozungumzia magogoni ni lipi?

 

[Masanja]

Masanja soko la kariakoo architect ni mtanzania Abeda Amuri (R.I.P) napia nayeye ali'copy toka ufaransa kama sikosei, ngoja Safari_ni_Safari aje atuwekee na picha,
jengo la Mecon (Mcony) unalozungumzia magogoni ni lipi?

Kaka kama alicopy..well..sijui..lakini alifanikiwa. Maana the building ya Kariakoo is iconic kiukweli. Kuhusu utetezi wako wa lile jengo mi nadhani tukubaliane kutokubaliana. I really dont appreciate that structure...na ukichukulia potential ya ile sehemu..maana kila mgeni wa maana anayekuja mjini lazima aende mlimani city....tena likiwa ni la Architect notable hapa mjini kwetu. Sasa jengo linatofauti gani na hotel za wale wakinga wa Ubungo..kibadamo...na nyinginezo? hahaha

Huyo mkoni simjui..ila I happened to see one structure very simple and nice..nikaambiwa ni kazi ya huyo Mkony..sikumbuki barabara..maana mitaa ile si unajua tunapita kwa kujificha ficha tusikamatwe na askari wa mkuu wa kaya?