'Who created God' is an Illogical Question!

Kiranga said:

Free will is a myth.

If we all had free will we would be able to move back to 1982.

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This post was never directed you brother
Focus!
Reply to that first then we can move to free will and other things you wish discuss (that's if i'm even vaguely interested in talking to you)

gasgas said:

Surprise me,
I am ready to be moved to awe
Your talk is cheap
Make up that something

After all you're the guy with 100% knowledge in something

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I already made that up.

The invisible lamp at the top of the Kilimanjaro.

Remember?

Nyani Ngabu said:

You're shifting the goalposts.

Those questions are very relevant as far as your atheistic and my agnostic stances go.

And you are talking about a clearly defined god.

How sure are you about that definition being the correct definition?

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Nyani ngabu

We differ in views but i think you can challenge Kiranga better in the Logic field which seems to be his running place despite him having very little of it whatsoever

gasgas said:

I was quick to assume you were atheist

I'm sorry about that

Do you guys believe in the existence of God? (i just want to confirm what i know about Buddhism)

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No. Its Empirical Agnosticism.

gasgas said:

This post was never directed you brother
Focus!
Reply to that first then we can move to free will and other things you wish discuss (that's if i'm even vaguely interested in talking to you)

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Every post at JF is directed to everyone.

If you want to address something to someone specifically, use PM.

You are very interested to discuss these things with me, else you would not be lingering here for so long.

How is that

Kiranga said:

I already made that up.

The invisible lamp at the top of the Kilimanjaro.

Remember?

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Thank you for that example

It is a lamp that is present on Mt. Kilimanjaro that can not be picked by human eyes
The human eye can't pick everything hence some things are visible: within the visible spectrum of light

If you pass an X ray machine and it releases X-Rays, can i see them, No i can't
But doesn't mean they are not there?

Nah i oughta get a better tool that will enable me to appreciate them au siyo

Same with God, human mind and knowledge is not the optimal tool

There's a much better tool that can be used to appreciate God

And that is the Spiritual realm, that is faith


My request to you, don't reply to this message

Continue reasoning with Nyani ngabu and the rest they can take it on from here

I repeat please don't reply any further

Kiranga said:

Every post at JF is directed to everyone.

If you want to address something to someone specifically, use PM.

You are very interested to discuss these things with me, else you would not be lingering here for so long.

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I was interested now I'm just nauseated
You refused my proposal and now i have realized we have nothing else to talk instead of playing our broken records again and again

Please don't reply

Tunarudi kule kule... kama Mungu ametuumba tutumie our brain.. we do reasoning in many aspects and it is very important kwa ustawi wa maisha yetu... ndio maana kuku na viumbe vingine hawawezi kuthink kuhusu existence ya Mungu, they just live naturally. If something is illogical you just leave it... according to some books vinazungumzia majini... bible haijaelezea kuhusu majini... nafikir inachukulia majini na mashetani ni kitu kimoja.... ambapo kwenye quran ni different creature... why should i believe shetani anaexist au majini wanaexist while i have never seen them zaidi ya illusion za watu. i have one idea which i always value most... ni kwamba whatever created the galaxies and everything in it must be something very powerful and I respect that... but I don't see the reason why we should go in church and mosque to pray and ask for forgiveness while i can do that when i am at home... or at work. jambo kubwa linalonikera linapokuja suala la kuabudu people tend to be very calm na wanajifanya wamamuhofia ila linapokuja suala la pesa mtu huyo huyo anatend kuwa selfish and harsh. Ajabu sasa mkristo anasema Mungu wa waislamu sie Mungu wao na waislamu wanasema Mungu wa wakristo (yesu )sio Mungu wao... so it seems we have two unidentical Gods here... kutoka na maelezo ya vitabu vitukufu ni kwamba wapo wataoenda peponi yaani paradiso na watakaoenda motoni yaani in hell... kwa defn za dini hizo ni kwamba it either wakristo wote waende motoni au waislamu wote... kwani kuna mmoja anamfusta Mungu wa kweli. Kikawaids aliyezaliwa na wakristo huwa anakuwa mkristo na anaezaliwa na waislamu anakuwa muislamu. Je kosa la mimi kupelekwa motoni ni lipi while nimefuata dini ya wazazi wangu??? Naweza kuelewa mantiki ya kuwepo kwa Mungu ila sipati mantiki ya utaratibu wake. To me they sound like man made ideas... why anihukumu mimi kwa kutoenda kumuomba kanisani kwa shida zangu, manake najua yeye hana shida.

Nyani Ngabu said:

Kwani kila ambalo halina ushahidi na lenyewe halipo?

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Umenifurahisha sana. Hapo ni sawa na kusema, "hakuna ushahidi kuwa amebakwa, hvyo hajabakwa"

CHARMILTON said:

Mkuu dini plus wachungaji, wapo kwaajili ya kujipatia pesa kutoka kwa wanyonge.Maombi yao hayana chochote, ukiugua anakuambia toa sadaka kwa Bw. Iili Bw. akuponye....Lakini yeye ama familiya yake ikiugua haooooo Apollo India.

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Cha ajabu unakuta mchungaji tajiri kama Gwajima, Rwakatare au Anton Lusekelo lakini cha ajabu waumini ni maskini.
Maskini anajichanga kwenda kumuongezea utajiri pastor
cha ajabu anamtegemea Mungu kama mlinzi wake lakini bado unakuta anamiliki Bastola pia

Apollo said:

No. Its Empirical Agnosticism.

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Good for you
What i recommend is don't settle for the knowledge that you may have

Search for more and more knowledge

I will do what every Christian brother would do,
I will pray for you

Please don't reply, (a request from me)

gasgas said:

How is that

Thank you for that example

It is a lamp that is present on Mt. Kilimanjaro that can not be picked by human eyes
The human eye can't pick everything hence some things are visible: within the visible spectrum of light

If you pass an X ray machine and it releases X-Rays, can i see them, No i can't
But doesn't mean they are not there?

Nah i oughta get a better tool that will enable me to appreciate them au siyo

Same with God, human mind and knowledge is not the optimal tool

There's a much better tool that can be used to appreciate God

And that is the Spiritual realm, that is faith


My request to you, don't reply to this message

Continue reasoning with Nyani ngabu and the rest they can take it on from here

I repeat please don't reply any further

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You don't get to decide to which message I reply and which I don't.

What if I am just making up that lamp. It is not there. I am just saying that it is there.

How can you prove that it is not there?

How is that made up lamp any different from your God?

gasgas said:

Nyani ngabu

We differ in views but i think you can challenge Kiranga better in the Logic field which seems to be his running place despite him having very little of it whatsoever

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Hahaaa thanks man.

All I know is I can hold my own and Kiranga can hold his as well.

I enjoy and embrace debate.

gasgas said:

I was interested now I'm just nauseated
You refused my proposal and now i have realized we have nothing else to talk instead of playing our broken records again and again

Please don't reply

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How can you ask me to not reply when you can't stop replying to me?

Kiranga said:

God is supposed to be above needs.

The God you just described sounds like he needs to be needed.

That is a very human trait.

Why would an omnipotent omniscient and omni benevolent godhead need to be needed?

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You need God because he is a source of you. God want you to care for Him because He deserve

gasgas said:

Good for you
What i recommend is don't settle for the knowledge that you may have

Search for more and more knowledge

I will do what every Christian brother would do,
I will pray for you

Please don't reply, (a request from me)

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Thats it. I do not settle. Even my spiritual path tells me that. That why I am here. As a christian huwezi kusoma Quran au Hinduism kwa sababu utaambiwa unaabudu miungu wengine. Utaambiwa others they don't believe in christ then they are not saved. You are better than them.

As a buddhist I am not allowed to label myself to anything, not even as Buddhist. I am human. I am not better than christian nor less than em. Earth is my temple and compassion is my religion. And I am free to seek anything that is good and beneficial to myself and others.

So I am free to learn, na bado najifunza.

Nashukuru kwa maombi na sala zako. Pia weka emphasis kwenye good actions. Ndio the best kuliko prayers.

Nawe pia do not think what you know its enough. Learn more, study something outside of your box of reality.

And do not forget to practice what is beneficial to oneself and others.

"However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them?"

always am a Winner said:

You need God because he is a source of you. God want you to care for Him because He deserve

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Can you prove God exists?

jonax said:

Cha ajabu unakuta mchungaji tajiri kama Gwajima, Rwakatare au Anton Lusekelo lakini cha ajabu waumini ni maskini.
Maskini anajichanga kwenda kumuongezea utajiri pastor

cha ajabu anamtegemea Mungu kama mlinzi wake lakini bado unakuta anamiliki Bastola pia

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Watu hawazinduki, wanatajirisha wengine kisa hofu ya kisichokuwepo....huo ni ujuha.

Kiranga said:

Can you prove God exists?

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Fine he does not exist, then can u please explain how the world we live in came into existance if God did not create it.?

MzzBreezy said:

Fine he does not exist, then can u please explain how the world we live in came into existance if God did not create it.?

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If god created the world, what was there before he created it?

What made him decide to create it?

What proof is there that actually proves he created it?

And how did he himself come to be? Did he create himself?