The West Policy on Libya Vs Putin

The West Policy on Libya Vs Putin

Obama 'orders covert help for Libya rebels' Reports say US president has secretly authorised covert operations allowing support to Libyan rebel groups.

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President Obama has reportedly signed a secret order permitting covert CIA operations in Libya [REUTERS]
Libyan opposition fighters will be given extra support from the US, after President Barack Obama reportedly signed a secret order - authorising covert operations to hasten the downfall of longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The armed rebels - who have found themselves outgunned and outflanked by Gaddafi's forces, despite a NATO-patrolled no-fly zone - could be boosted by CIA interventions in Libya, since the decision was allegedly endorsed by the White House.
Obama signed the order, known as a presidential "finding", within the past three weeks, four unnamed US government sources told the Reuters news agency.
But US officials did not confirm or deny reports. Jay Carney, White House press secretary, said:
"As is common practice, for this and all administrations, I am not going to comment on intelligence matters ... No decision has been made about providing arms to the opposition or to any group in Libya.
"We're not ruling it out or ruling it in. We're assessing and reviewing options for all types of assistance that we could provide to the Libyan people, and have consulted directly with the opposition and our international partners about these matters."

Yet, Obama said it is not right ousting Gaddafi? Do the Americans really know who are they sponsoring and helping in Libya? Or the mission is just to have the distabalized Arab League and Oil Producing Countries??? in Africa about all countries where oil is drilled (Angola, Nigeria, etc) they are not always safe, there are always group(s) fightings which make the area where operations takes place unsafe for normal human settlement!!!
 
Arms debate
Britain hosted an international conference on Tuesday that piled pressure on Gaddafi to quit and pledged to continue military action against his forces until he complies with a UN resolution to protect civilians.
At the London meeting, the question of arming Libyan rebels moved up the international agenda, although both Britain and the United States said they had taken no decision to supply arms.
On Wednesday, David Cameron, the British prime minister, repeated that line, adding that UN resolution 1973 allowed all necessary measures to protect civilians.
"Our view is that this would not necessarily rule out the provision of assistance to those protecting civilians in certain circumstances," Cameron told parliament.
"So ... we do not rule it out but we have not taken the decision to do so."
Expressing his reservations, British foreign minister Hague said introducing new weapons into a conflict could have "unforeseeable and unknown consequences".
"Such considerations would have to be very carefully weighed before the government changed its policy on this matter," he added.
 
Wanajamvi nimesikia kwenye news kuwa "wakubwa" wanafikiria option ya kuwapa silaha wapinzani ili kuwe na fair play kwenye vita. Teh teh . I see it that way .

Kusema ukweli simuungi mkono Gaddafi but naona hapa kuna jambo zaidi ambalo hatulijui bado.

  • Je hiki kipigo kingetokea kama gaddfi angekuwa mteja wa silaha kutoka UK na USA? No i dont think so . Imekuwa rahisi zaidi kumchukia hatua gadaffi sababu sio mteja wao.?
Inachekesha na kusikitisha soko na majaribio ya la silaha yananatuftwa kwa nguvu hivi.


Bado jambo nalichukulia kama kilio kwangu maana hata kama gaddafi ametawala karibu miaka 40 lakini je,wananchi wake wanasema nini? okey mimi naona kikubwa
ni uonevu tu kwa hii vita ya mataifa makubwa kupata malighafi za bure bila kipingamizi.
 
kuna ujinga sana mbona hawawezeshi al shabaab ili wawe fair nao. Na mbona hawakumuwezesha Saadam husein ili watakapoanza kupigana wawiane nguvu. Yani wajinga sana hata wanachoongea hakieleweki kwa kweli.
 
Mbona China imekuwa ikiwauzia silaha SUDAN na kuzigawa kwa wanamgambo waarab wa Dafur wawauwe waislam wenzao weusi hukuuliza swali hili.
 
There are shady dealings in the Sahara. The "revolution" is corrupted.

Now comes a report today in The New York Times that the Central Intelligence Agency has planted operatives in Libya to work with the "rebels" seeking to depose Muammar al-Quathafi.

The New York Times
reports: "While President Obama has insisted that no American military ground troops participate in the Libyan campaign, small groups of C.I.A. operatives have been working in Libya for several weeks as part of a shadow force of Westerners that the Obama administration hopes can help bleed Colonel Qaddafi's military, the officials said."

What type of "freedom fighters" would work hand-in-hand with the CIA. How can the revolutionists wear this as a badge of honor? Would the Blackberry-Facebook pro-democracy freedom fighters in Tunisia and Egypt have collaborated with the CIA, which worked hand-in-hand with Hosni Mubarak and his dreaded secret police?

Details>>>From No-Fly Zone To CIA-assisted "Revolution"
 
Wanajamvi, tusidanganyike.Silaha ni teknolojia ambayo hutumiwa na mwenye ujuzi. Wamarekani, Waingereza na Wafaransa ndiyo wenye ujuzi na silaha zao. Wakizipeleka lazima na wao waende ama kuzitumia au kufundisha jinsi ya kufanya hivyo. Kama hivyo ndivyo hawa wakubwa wanatafuta jinsi ya kuingia Libya ili kuhakikisha waasi wanashinda ili wapate wanachokitafuta (Mafuta). Wamarekani wana usemi wao maarufu kuwa "There is no free lunch" Nitashangaa sana kwamba wanasaidia waasi eti kwa uzalendo tu. Upi? Tusubiri tu kila kitu kitakuwa wazi. Kwani Nani ataweza kumzuia mmarekani?
 
This is what we call "the international politics" which in great extent favors theWest. Why Obama hasn't said anything about Ivory Coast or what does the UN resolution say about the country whose citizens are killed yet that country is not potential to western countries???
 
Lakini triki ya Gadafi nimependa, amejifanya yuko weak akawasogeza akawasogeza , harafu kawapa kitufe , teh teh teh nusra awamalize rebel wote. ndio maana wamekimbia hadi wakipitiliza Beghazi.
 
This should not be surprising. Someone must have given the New York Times the go ahead to inform everyone. According to the article the clandestine operatives are in Libya to gather intelligence for airstrikes and contact the rebels. The rebel military leader is probably a CIA operative too so they can have a big party. For a list of a few of the operations the CIA has been involved in in Libya see this site.


Obama has insisted that no American military ground troops are involved in the Libyan campaign but groups of CIA operatives have been working in Libya for a couple of weeks already. As the NYTimes puts it ""as part of a shadow force of Westerners that the Obama administration hopes can help bleed Colonel Qaddafi's military"" according to U.S. officials. Do not ever call these operatives troops.
Current and former British officials also said that dozens of British special forces and MI6 intelligence officers are working inside Libya. The British operatives also have been directing airstrikes from British jets and gathering intelligence for stirkes. The hope is to weaken Libya's military enough to encourage defections. Of course they are also making sure no innocent civilians get killed...

Details>>>>Libya: New York Times reports CIA agents working with rebels
 
Libya: The Objective of "Humanitarian Bombing" is Death and Destruction

Michel CHOSSUDOVSKY | 27.03.2011 | 19:04
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The Bombing of Civilian Targets
The objective is not to come to the rescue of civilians.
Quite the opposite. Both military as well as civilian targets have been pre-selected.
Civilian casualties are intentional. They are not the result of "collateral damage".
Early reports confirm that hospitals, civilian airports and government buildings have been bombed.
Within hours of the air attacks, a Libyan government health official "said the death toll from the Western air strikes had risen to 64 on Sunday after some of the wounded died." The number of wounded was of the order of 150. (Montreal Gazette, Gadhafi hurls defiance as allied forces strike Libya, March 19, 2011).
The death toll resulting from aerial bombings and missile attacks (March 24) is of the order of 100 civilians, according to Libyan government sources ( UN Chief Expects Int'l Community to Avoid Civilian Casualties in Libya, March 25, 2011)..........


Media Disinformation
These deaths resulting from US-NATO missiles and aerial bombings are either denied or casually dismissed as `collateral damage`. According to British Foreign Secretary William Hague modern humanitarian warfare does result in civilian deaths, a totally absurd proposition:
"This operation has been doing what it was meant to do, protect the civilian population of Libya, and there is no confirmed evidence of any casualties at all, civilian casualties, caused by the coalition strikes on the Gaddafi regime," (British Foreign Secretary William Hague, No evidence of civilian casualties in Libya strikes: UK | Reuters, March 25, 2011)
US Defense Secretary Robert Gates confirms that "The coalition is going to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties and most of the targets are air defence targets isolated from populated areas." (West trying to avoid Libyan civilian deaths: Robert Gates - World - DNA, March 22, 2011)


Details>>>>>Libya: The Objective of "Humanitarian Bombing" is Death and Destruction > Libya: The Objective of "Humanitarian Bombing" is Death and Destruction > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation
 
Baadhi ya Majibu haya HAPA!

A Strategy Aimed at Ruining Libya

Elena PONOMAREVA | 21.03.2011 | 15:15
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A death sentence to Libya's sovereignty was handed out long before the protests inspired by Western intelligence services shook the country and the UN Security Council responded to the situation with anti-Libyan resolutions. There are fundamental causes behind the strategy aimed at ruining Libya. Years ago, it was designated as a target by the architects of the new world order, and the air raids against Libya were just a matter of time.
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Libya dealt the West the first serious blow on October 7, 1969 when – at the 24th Session of the UN General Assembly - it unveiled the plan to stop hosting foreign military bases on its territory. Shortly thereafter the Libyan government notified the US and British ambassadors that the corresponding treaties were no longer valid.
It came as the second blow to the West that Tripoli exerted pressure on international companies which used to maintain strong positions in the Libyan economy. The policy drew the West's ire and led the heavyweights of international politics to conspire against Libya. Securing the country's grip over its own economy was a task much more difficult than getting rid of foreign military bases. Libya's financial sector was nationalized by a government decree in 1970 as the first step. In 1973, Iraq, Algeria, and Libya put under national control their respective oil industries and, moreover, brought the nationalization issue to the OPEC agenda which it continued to top throughout the 1970ies. All foreign petroleum countries in Libya were eventually nationalized. Ironically, on the eve of the nationalization campaign Western oil grands invested heavily in Libya's infrastructures in a bid to lessen their dependence on oil supplies from the Persian Gulf area and the Suez Canal transit route.



Kwa undani soma bofya hapa>>>Elena Ponomareva - A Strategy Aimed at Ruining Libya - Strategic Culture Foundation - on-line journal > A Strategy Aimed at Ruining Libya > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation
 
A CIA Commander For Libyan "Rebels"


By Patrick Martin

The Libyan National Council, the Benghazi-based group that speaks for the rebel forces fighting the Gaddafi regime, has appointed a long-time CIA collaborator to head its military operations. The selection of Khalifa Hifter, a former colonel in the Libyan army, was reported by McClatchy Newspapers Thursday and the new military chief was interviewed by a correspondent for ABC News on Sunday night.

Hifter’s arrival in Benghazi was first reported by Al Jazeera on March 14, followed by a flattering portrait in the virulently pro-war British tabloid the Daily Mail on March 19. The Daily Mail described Hifter as one of the “two military stars of the revolution” who “had recently returned from exile in America to lend the rebel ground forces some tactical coherence.” The newspaper did not refer to his CIA connections.

McClatchy Newspapers published a profile of Hifter on Sunday. Headlined “New Rebel Leader Spent Much of Past 20 years in Suburban Virginia,” the article notes that he was once a top commander for the Gaddafi regime, until “a disastrous military adventure in Chad in the late 1980s

Hifter then went over to the anti-Gaddafi opposition, eventually emigrating to the United States, where he lived until two weeks ago when he returned to Libya to take command in Benghazi.

The McClatchy profile concluded, “Since coming to the United States in the early 1990s, Hifter lived in suburban Virginia outside Washington, DC.” It cited a friend who “said he was unsure exactly what Hifter did to support himself, and that Hifter primarily focused on helping his large family.”

To those who can read between the lines, this profile is a thinly disguised indication of Hifter’s role as a CIA operative. How else does a high-ranking former Libyan military commander enter the United States in the early 1990s, only a few years after the Lockerbie bombing, and then settle near the US capital, except with the permission and active assistance of US intelligence agencies? Hifter actually lived in Vienna, Virginia, about five miles from CIA headquarters in Langley, for two decades.

The agency was very familiar with Hifter’s military and political work. A Washington Post report of March 26, 1996 describes an armed rebellion against Gaddafi in Libya and uses a variant spelling of his name. The article cites witnesses to the rebellion who report that “its leader is Col. Khalifa Haftar, of a contra-style group based in the United States called the Libyan National Army.”

The comparison is to the “contra” terrorist forces financed and armed by the US government in the 1980s against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. The Iran-Contra scandal, which rocked the Reagan administration in 1986-87, involved the exposure of illegal US arms sales to Iran, with the proceeds used to finance the contras in defiance of a congressional ban. Congressional Democrats covered up the scandal and rejected calls to impeach Reagan for sponsoring the flagrantly illegal activities of a cabal of former intelligence operatives and White House aides.

A 2001 book, Manipulations africaines, published by Le Monde diplomatique, traces the CIA connection even further back, to 1987, reporting that Hifter, then a colonel in Gaddafi’s army, was captured fighting in Chad in a Libyan-backed rebellion against the US-backed government of Hissène Habré. He defected to the Libyan National Salvation Front (LNSF), the principal anti-Gaddafi group, which had the backing of the American CIA. He organized his own militia, which operated in Chad until Habré was overthrown by a French-supported rival, Idriss Déby, in 1990.

According to this book, “the Haftar force, created and financed by the CIA in Chad, vanished into thin air with the help of the CIA shortly after the government was overthrown by Idriss Déby.” The book also cites a Congressional Research Service report of December 19, 1996 that the US government was providing financial and military aid to the LNSF and that a number of LNSF members were relocated to the United States.

This information is available to anyone who conducts even a cursory Internet search, but it has not been reported by the corporate-controlled media in the United States, except in the dispatch from McClatchy, which avoids any reference to the CIA. None of the television networks, busily lauding the “freedom fighters” of eastern Libya, has bothered to report that these forces are now commanded by a longtime collaborator of US intelligence services.

Nor have the liberal and “left” enthusiasts of the US-European intervention in Libya taken note. They are too busy hailing the Obama administration for its multilateral and “consultative” approach to war, supposedly so different from the unilateral and “cowboy” approach of the Bush administration in Iraq. That the result is the same—death and destruction raining down on the population, the trampling of the sovereignty and independence of a former colonial country—means nothing to these apologists for imperialism.

The role of Hifter, aptly described 15 years ago as the leader of a “contra-style group,” demonstrates the real class forces at work in the Libyan tragedy. Whatever genuine popular opposition was expressed in the initial revolt against the corrupt Gaddafi dictatorship, the rebellion has been hijacked by imperialism.

The US and European intervention in Libya is aimed not at bringing “democracy” and “freedom,” but at installing in power stooges of the CIA who will rule just as brutally as Gaddafi, while allowing the imperialist powers to loot the country’s oil resources and use Libya as a base of operations against the popular revolts sweeping the Middle East and North Africa.



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The Euro-US War on Libya

James Petras and Robin E. Abaya

Introduction

Many critics of the ongoing Euro-US wars in the Middle East and, now, North Africa, have based their arguments on clichés and generalizations devoid of fact. The most common line heard in regard to the current US-Euro war on Libya is that it’s “all about oil” – the goal is the seizure of Libya’s oil wells.

On the other hand Euro –U.S, government spokespeople defend the war by claiming it’s “all about saving civilian lives in the face of genocide”, calling it “humanitarian intervention”.

Following the lead of their imperial powers, most of what passes for the Left in the US and Europe, ranging from Social Democrats, Marxists, Trotskyists,Greens and other assorted progressives claim they see and support a revolutionary mass uprising of the Libyan people, and not a few have called for military intervention by the imperial powers, or the same thing, the UN, to help the “Libyan revolutionaries” defeat the Gaddafi dictatorship.

These arguments are without foundation and belie the true nature of US-UK-French imperial power, expansionist militarism, as evidenced in all the ongoing wars over the past decade (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, etc.). What is much more revealing about the militarist intervention in Libya is that the major countries, which refused to engage in the War, operate via a very different form of global expansion based on economic and market forces.

China, India, Brazil, Russia, Turkey and Germany, the most dynamic capitalist countries in Asia, Europe and the Middle East are fundamentally opposed to the self-styled “allied” military response against the Libyan government - because Gaddafi represents no threat to their security and they already have full access to the oil and a favorable investment climate. Besides, these economically dynamic countries see no prospect for a stable, progressive or democratic Libyan government emerging from the so-called ‘rebel’ leaders, who are disparate elites competing for power and Western favor.
 
US-NATO Bombings Kill Civilians in Tripoli

by Bill Van Auken


US-NATO air strikes on Tripoli and other Libyan cities have claimed growing numbers of civilian victims, according to the Vatican’s top representative in the Libyan capital.

The report represents a severe blow to the attempts by Washington and its NATO allies, backed by the overwhelming majority of the Western media, to dismiss the Libyan government’s claims of civilian casualties as “propaganda” and portray the continuous air raids as a “humanitarian” defense of the population.

“The so-called humanitarian air raids have taken the lives of dozens of civilians in various areas of Tripoli,” Bishop Giovanni Innocenzo Martinelli, the Apostolic Vicar of Tripoli told Agenzia Fides, the Vatican news service.

“Of particular concern, in the district of Buslim, a building collapsed because of the bombing killing 40 people,” he said “Yesterday I reported that the bombing had affected some hospitals, albeit indirectly. I can now confirm that one of these hospitals is in Misda,” a town about 110 miles south of Tripoli.

The Euronews television channel reported that a bombing raid on an ammunition dump in Misda had caused damage to the hospital and nearby homes, wounding at least 13 civilians.

In an interview with Euronews, Bishop Martinelli said that the scores of casualties had been “confirmed to me by people who have lost loved ones because of these bombings.”

He cited another incident in which an air strike hit a munitions warehouse located in close proximity to a civilian neighborhood. “This building was exploding for three, four hours,” he said, claiming more victims.

“If it is true that the bombings appear to be very targeted,” Martrinelli told the Fides news agency, “it is also true that they are hitting military targets which are in the midst of civilian neighborhoods, thus the local people are also affected

The bishop added: “The situation in Tripoli is becoming more difficult every day. The fuel shortage has worsened, as evidenced by the queues of cars at petrol stations.” Describing the military conflict as an “impasse”, he urged a “diplomatic solution…to end the bloodshed between Libyans, giving Gaddafi a dignified way out.”

NATO, which formally assumed command of the US-led war against Libya Thursday, said it was investigating the reported casualties. Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard, the Canadian officer heading the NATO command in Libya, described the bishop’s account as a “news report” and insisted that NATO was operating under “very strict rules of engagement” and “within the legal mandate of our United Nations mandate.” Echoing similar statements issued by the NATO command in response to the continuous killing of civilians in Afghanistan, he added, “I appreciate the source of this report, but it is worth noting that I take every one of those issues seriously

In a separate incident, the Associated Press interviewed the family of an 18-month-old toddler, Sirajuddin al-Sweisi, who was killed when an ammunition dump near their home in the village of Khorum, about 55 miles south of Tripoli, was attacked by US-NATO warplanes.

The young boy’s mother said that their house was rocked by the blast at about six in the morning, with debris piercing the wall of the family’s home. She found her son, who was sleeping, with a piece of hot metal embedded into the side of his face.

“His blood was streaming down my arm,” she said weeping. “He was crying out, ‘Mama, Mama’, reaching out with his hand to me

The family rushed him to the hospital where he was treated for burns and broken bones, but he died the same night.

Neighbors said that the explosions caused by the air raid injured a number of other people and damaged houses in the area.

Washington and its allies have claimed legitimacy for their imperialist assault on Libya by invoking United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which authorizes “all necessary measures” to protect civilians from attack. It has become increasingly evident that these “measures” include the slaughter of the very civilians that are supposedly being protected.

Reports of civilian casualties have drawn criticism of the US-NATO operation from a number of countries.

China, which together with Russia, India, Brazil and Germany, abstained on the UN resolution authorizing a no-fly zone appealed Wednesday for a ceasefire. During a meeting with his French counterpart President Nicolas Sarkozy, one of the most vociferous advocates of military action to overthrow Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Chinese President Hu Jintao urged the world to “give peace a chance.”

“The aim of the UN’s resolution is to stop violence and protect civilians,” Chinese state television quoted Hu as saying in his meeting with Sarkozy. “If the military action brings disaster to innocent civilians and creates a bigger humanitarian crisis, that would violate the original intention of the Security Council resolution.”

The crisis in Libya has seen some $18.8 billion worth of Chinese investments in Libya placed on hold and the cutoff of Libyan oil exports to China, its largest Asian customer.

South Africa, which as a non-permanent member of the UN Security Council voted in favor of the resolution, similarly called for a ceasefire and “restraint” by all sides. “As South Africa we say no to the killing of civilians, no to the regime change doctrine and no to foreign occupation of Libya or any other sovereign state,” a statement issued by the South African cabinet Thursday read.

Russia, which had also begun developing significant economic and geostrategic interests in Libya, also called for a ceasefire and immediate talks between the Gaddafi regime and the “rebels”. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference in Moscow Wednesday condemned statements by US, British and French officials that arming the “rebels” was being considered. The UN resolution, Lavrov said, was intended “to protect the population and not to arm it

On Thursday, the Russian state-owned television channel Rossiya 1 carried a report on the repatriation of hundreds of Russian citizens who were evacuated from Libya and brought back to Moscow on an Emergencies Ministry aircraft from Tunisia.

“The coalition bombed depots, and the shells flew off the depots in all directions, and they hit civilian buildings, houses,” Lyubov Shalyeva, one of the evacuees told
Rossiya 1.

The report cited the testimony of Russian obstetrician Andrey Novseltsev and his wife who worked in a hospital Misratah, where “dozens of people came every day, and two days ago a bomb fell right next to them during an operation.”

“I don’t even know how I ended up on the ground,” Novoseltsev said. “We told our child that it was fireworks; she didn’t know what was going on. Well, now we know what Tomahawks are

The Rossiya 1 correspondent reported that the Russian workers had drafted a statement before leaving Libya denouncing the US-NATO attack on the country.

Bill Van Auken is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Bill Van Auken
 
collateral damage is unavoidable
So is it not killing innocent civilians?
How many "collateral damage" in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Kweli, ukipenda kitu hata kama ni kibaya utabadilisha jina tu!!!

Collateral damage sounds light, Killing or shoot his own people sound barbaric and evil!

Why diplomacy was not given a chance?

Unakumbuka yule mchunguzi Hans Blix wa silaha za maangamizi wa Iraq aliposema apewe muda akamilishe uchunguzi wao,yeye mpaka alipofikia hakuona kama kuna silaha..jibu likawa we take the guy out! Get out quick! We have our plan!
 
The united state has guietly withdrawn its air and sea assets from libya and virtually ended its military intervention agaisnt gadaf.
This action expose NATO and its leading power france and UK as badly short of air and sea capability neccessary for halting gadaf military advance,enforcing non fly zone and maintaining sea blockade on libya ports.
Military source report that US air force AC-10 Thunderbolt and AC-130 ,which are designed for attacking tanks and other ground targets disappeared from libya sky saturday april,2.They were followed by the departure of all 100 american fighter,bomber from libya sky.
In conseguence the scale of western coalition attack DROPPED ABRUPTLY by 80 percent.
Other coalition still have .143 warplane in action over libya but less than half are capable of combat operation.the rest are used for surveillance,and espionage expert say this number tøo few to sustain effective combart duty even in the rebel controled area even when america where there they couldnt control all of libya.
It is said libya cargo plane are now able to get on air ferring troops and weapons from african countries south of libya
 
These guys have just realized that H.E. Col. Ghadaffi will never step down and No one in the AU will support their mission.

Bravo H.E. Col. Ghadaffi
 
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