KIM KARDASH
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kweli kabisa naona hata pakistan pia,wanaishia kulilia lia tu na kuwahonga hela maana one third of pakistan's military budget inalipwa na us!yote hiyo kubembeleza urafiki!
The New Libya...
The New Libya...
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kweli kabisa naona hata pakistan pia,wanaishia kulilia lia tu na kuwahonga hela maana one third of pakistan's military budget inalipwa na us!yote hiyo kubembeleza urafiki!
KIM KARDASH
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Namkumbuka msomi huyu wa london school of ECONOMICS Seif Al Islam,angeisaidia hii nchi!
Talk to Jazeera - Saif al-Islam Gaddafi - YouTube
Talk to Jazeera - Saif al-Islam Gaddafi - YouTube
Huyu alijipa cheo cha waziri mkuu wa NTC, leo anasema libya mpya ina power vaccum.
Kwa maneno mengine ni kuwa muasi huyu anakiri kuwa "liberated Libya" iko shagala bagala aka hovyo hovyo tu.
Mahmoud Jibril said he wanted a current timetable for drafting a constitution by mid-2013 to be scrapped in favour of a stripped down process to produce a basic law and a government with full powers in just six months.
"I just want to shorten the period of this political vacuum," he said on Tuesday evening at the heavily guarded college campus on the outskirts of Tripoli that houses the interim leadership, the National Transitional Council.
"The more we prolong this period, it's very dangerous for the national unity of this country. Too many actors started to intervene in Libyan politics," added Jibril, who stepped down from the NTC executive two weeks ago after the country was declared "liberated" following the killing of Muammar Gaddafi.
"This is a political vacuum which can be filled by any power, whether a foreign power or an internal power which has weapons in its hands ... It's not healthy for the security of this country," Jibril said.
Jibril declined to portray his political ambitions as in opposition to the Islamists or others, though his championing of women's rights sets a tone of contrast with some Islamist ideas.
"All political actors, all political Libyan actors are acceptable as long as there are elections," he said. "I don't mind who's going to be in office, whether it's from an Islamist group, from a Marxist, from a nationalist ... What matters to me is this should come through an electoral process."
Fearing Libya vacuum, ex-PM urges rapid vote | Top News | Reuters
Huyu jamaa ameshaweka chake mfukoni sasa anawazingua walibya wenzake. Alipokubali kurubuniwa na US-NATO alijua kuwa Libya itakuwa Somalia kutokana na mfumo wa kijadi-clan system. Yet, kwa tamaa ya pesa amewaingiza wenzake kwenye giza nene.
Sasa ona hiyo ya buluu hata reuters ambao waliwapamba hawa NTC sasa wanaeka hizo alama " "..."liberated" Libya ikimaanisha enslaved fool libyans.
Kwa maneno mengine ni kuwa muasi huyu anakiri kuwa "liberated Libya" iko shagala bagala aka hovyo hovyo tu.
Mahmoud Jibril said he wanted a current timetable for drafting a constitution by mid-2013 to be scrapped in favour of a stripped down process to produce a basic law and a government with full powers in just six months.
"I just want to shorten the period of this political vacuum," he said on Tuesday evening at the heavily guarded college campus on the outskirts of Tripoli that houses the interim leadership, the National Transitional Council.
"The more we prolong this period, it's very dangerous for the national unity of this country. Too many actors started to intervene in Libyan politics," added Jibril, who stepped down from the NTC executive two weeks ago after the country was declared "liberated" following the killing of Muammar Gaddafi.
"This is a political vacuum which can be filled by any power, whether a foreign power or an internal power which has weapons in its hands ... It's not healthy for the security of this country," Jibril said.
Jibril declined to portray his political ambitions as in opposition to the Islamists or others, though his championing of women's rights sets a tone of contrast with some Islamist ideas.
"All political actors, all political Libyan actors are acceptable as long as there are elections," he said. "I don't mind who's going to be in office, whether it's from an Islamist group, from a Marxist, from a nationalist ... What matters to me is this should come through an electoral process."
Fearing Libya vacuum, ex-PM urges rapid vote | Top News | Reuters
Huyu jamaa ameshaweka chake mfukoni sasa anawazingua walibya wenzake. Alipokubali kurubuniwa na US-NATO alijua kuwa Libya itakuwa Somalia kutokana na mfumo wa kijadi-clan system. Yet, kwa tamaa ya pesa amewaingiza wenzake kwenye giza nene.
Sasa ona hiyo ya buluu hata reuters ambao waliwapamba hawa NTC sasa wanaeka hizo alama " "..."liberated" Libya ikimaanisha enslaved fool libyans.
jmushi1
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tuwanonee huruma na tuwaombea, wamemtupa samaki wakachukua joka litakalowameza wote na mafuta yao.
MAMMAMIA
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Isn't the New Libya going to be another Somalia
Both Libya and Somalia have several characteristics in common: they are African coastal semi-desert and, while having a high level of linguistic and religious homogeneity (which is unusual in a continent full of conflicts between States languages ​​and creeds) their internal differences are based on tribes.
Somalia and Libya were the only colonies that Italy had before the events leading to World War II. After the war, these two countries spent all or most of the time under British administration after the fall of Mussolini in 1943 and after independence they ended under nationalist dictatorship under a powerful leader.
Colonel Gaddafi seized power in Libya on September 1, 1969 and seven weeks later, Siad Barre made a similar coup in Somalia. Libya proclaimed that itscountry was under socialist and anti-imperialist revolution linked to armed groups abroad, led the international expansion of its borders even using military means failed (to unify Libya with other Arab and African nations and Somalia seeking reimburse-majority areas of Somali neighborhood). Both adopted a flag of a single color to show their nation's ethnic unity (the Libyan was green as the banner of Islam and fertility, and the Somali was blue as the Indian Ocean that outlines).
While Barre emulated Mao and his Red Book, Gaddafi never proclaimed Marxist-Leninist and developed its own Green book combining Islam with egalitarianism. After the end of the Cold War, Gaddafi left his previous anti-Western militancy and becomes an ally of the latter against Bin Laden. In 1991 Barre, without oil, had nothing to do after the collapse of 'socialist bloc'. He was outset following internal uprisings. The Western powers did not participate in it but then U.S comes to face new local authorities charged with promoting terrorism.
In these last 2 decades, Somalia has been bled by internal conflicts exacerbated by the Great Famine. Today there is a national state and the country is divided according to different warlords and tribes: from the independent Republic of Somaliland (which includes the north, an area that recently was occupied by Italy since remained a British protectorate) to southern areas governed by Al-Shabab and other pro-Al Qaeda groups.
The Libya of 2011 is similar to post-1991 Somalia when there are many rivalries between tribes, warlords and regions (some of them have, like Somalia, its own history), which is exacerbated because there is no central authority that can replace the deposed Gaddaffi legacy, the clash between secular and religious groups, to the struggle between pro-Western Libyan, pro-Arab kingdoms and pro-Iran, and the large presence of troops and large foreign oil interests.
I am afraid that the New Lbya will soon be like Somalia.
Both Libya and Somalia have several characteristics in common: they are African coastal semi-desert and, while having a high level of linguistic and religious homogeneity (which is unusual in a continent full of conflicts between States languages ​​and creeds) their internal differences are based on tribes.
Somalia and Libya were the only colonies that Italy had before the events leading to World War II. After the war, these two countries spent all or most of the time under British administration after the fall of Mussolini in 1943 and after independence they ended under nationalist dictatorship under a powerful leader.
Colonel Gaddafi seized power in Libya on September 1, 1969 and seven weeks later, Siad Barre made a similar coup in Somalia. Libya proclaimed that itscountry was under socialist and anti-imperialist revolution linked to armed groups abroad, led the international expansion of its borders even using military means failed (to unify Libya with other Arab and African nations and Somalia seeking reimburse-majority areas of Somali neighborhood). Both adopted a flag of a single color to show their nation's ethnic unity (the Libyan was green as the banner of Islam and fertility, and the Somali was blue as the Indian Ocean that outlines).
While Barre emulated Mao and his Red Book, Gaddafi never proclaimed Marxist-Leninist and developed its own Green book combining Islam with egalitarianism. After the end of the Cold War, Gaddafi left his previous anti-Western militancy and becomes an ally of the latter against Bin Laden. In 1991 Barre, without oil, had nothing to do after the collapse of 'socialist bloc'. He was outset following internal uprisings. The Western powers did not participate in it but then U.S comes to face new local authorities charged with promoting terrorism.
In these last 2 decades, Somalia has been bled by internal conflicts exacerbated by the Great Famine. Today there is a national state and the country is divided according to different warlords and tribes: from the independent Republic of Somaliland (which includes the north, an area that recently was occupied by Italy since remained a British protectorate) to southern areas governed by Al-Shabab and other pro-Al Qaeda groups.
The Libya of 2011 is similar to post-1991 Somalia when there are many rivalries between tribes, warlords and regions (some of them have, like Somalia, its own history), which is exacerbated because there is no central authority that can replace the deposed Gaddaffi legacy, the clash between secular and religious groups, to the struggle between pro-Western Libyan, pro-Arab kingdoms and pro-Iran, and the large presence of troops and large foreign oil interests.
I am afraid that the New Lbya will soon be like Somalia.
jmushi1
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Mshiiri,usipotee hivyo ndugu yangu.
Vipi kuhusu ile avatar yako ya mwanzo?
Tafadhali irudishe,that one was really nice!
Hiyo hapo juu ni nzuri pia,ila uwe unaswtich na ile ya mwanzo ya yule jamaa mwenye mimeno anayecheka meno nje!Lol!
Hiyo site inasema kuwa Khamis ana "roho ya paka". Ni taarifa tu. Uamue mwenyewe unalotaka kuliamini.
Na huyu mateka katika video anawaambia watu wa zintan kuwa karibuni wataelewa nani anaeongoza Libya. Libya mpya. Free Libya, liberated Libya.
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ZeMarcopolo
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Wakati tunaangalia yanayojiri Libya tunapaswa kujifunza somo moja kubwa kuwa nchi za magharibi zimejawa na unafiki na ukiamini ushauri wanaokupa kwa asilimia zote utapotea. Angalia jinsi ICC inavyohandle issue ya Seif al Islam, wameoffer arrest warrant na Saif amekamatwa lakini wamekubaliana na NTC kuwa atashitakiwa Libya kwa fair process. Swali, je, ICC wameridhika vipi kuwa haki itatendeka ilhali Libya hata constitution haina? Nchi isiyo na constitution inaahidi kutenda haki kwa kutumia sheria ipi? Hapa tunaona kwamba ICC na western countries kwa ujumla wameamua tu kusympathise na matakwa ta NTC na wanadhihirisha kuwa hawafanyi maamuzi based on principles but rather based on affection. Akili za kuambiwa...
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