The New Libya...

[jmushi1]

Wakuu,kuna ile thread ya the rise and fall of Gaddafi.

Hii hapa sasa ni ya kuhusu the new emerging Libya.

Ndugu zangu wote mliokuwa mkifuatlia issue hii ya Libya...

Mnajuwa tumetokea mbali kwenye mjadala huu wa Libya.

Na kwasababu tumekuwa tukitofautiana kimsimamo kuhusu Libya, basi tuendelee ku prove each other wrong in terms of their standings before and right after their conflict.

Ni wazi Gaddafi's era is now over...

So tuendelee kuona ni yapi yanayotokea Libya kutoka kwa hao wanao jiita wanamapinduzi.

Nitashukuru kama mkipata nafasi ya ku update humu ili kuipa nafasi ile thread nyingine ya "the rise and fall" iwe ya kuhusu wakati wa Gaddafi hadi alipouwawa huko Sirte.

Kwa kuanzia, ninabandika habari hii kuhusu Libya mpya, tuendelee na mjadala...Ningependa pila ile habari ya RR kuhusu "NATO gives Libya the bill" kuiweka hiyo habari hap, ili tuweze kuipatia habari hii msingi wa maana.

Pia ninayaheshimu mawazo ya kila mtu isipokuwa tuepuke kwenye kukumbushana aliyofanyiwa Gaddafi kwani hiyo sasa si issue, issue ni Libya mpya...

Kwanza ebu tuangalie Libya mpya iliyoanzishwa kwa msaada wa NATO na Europe,hii ni kutoka EURO COUNCIL...

European Union Council conclusions on Libya

BRUSSELS, Kingdom of Belgium, November 14, 2011/African Press Organization (APO)/ - 3124th FOREIGN AFFAIRS Council meeting

Brussels, 14 November 2011

The Council adopted the following conclusions:

"1. The EU welcomes the Declaration of Liberation of Libya made on October 23, which marks the beginning of a new era for the country and its people. It also welcomes the appointment of

Abdurrahim al-Keib as Libya's new Prime Minister and looks forward to the rapid

appointment of a Transitional Government. It recognises the legitimate aspirations of the

Libyan people expressed during the revolution, and encourages the continuation of

reconciliation efforts. It also reiterates its call for this transition to be inclusive and to pave

the way for the establishment of a state based on the rule of law and democratic principles to

which Libyan people aspired during the revolution, such as fundamental freedoms, respect for

human rights, gender equality, including participation of women in the political process, and

non discrimination.


2. The EU encourages the National Transitional Council to pursue its calls for justice and

respect for human rights in line with its Constitutional Charter. It notes with concern reports

of violations of human rights and international humanitarian law including revenge attacks

and summary executions. It welcomes the commitment of the Libyan authorities to take

action to bring an end to such acts, to carry out thorough and impartial investigations into any

such incidents and ensure that those responsible for violations of human rights are held

accountable. The EU welcomes the promise of cooperation between the Libyan authorities

and the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Commission of Inquiry of the UN

Human Rights Council, as well as the International Criminal Court.

3. The EU notes the end of Operation Unified Protector in Libya and expresses appreciation for

the critical role it has played in the protection of civilians. It also recalls that it has taken swift

action to implement the provisions on UNSCR 2016 (2011) on the termination of the No-Fly

Zone

4. The EU underlines its concerns regarding the proliferation of all arms and related materiel of

all types in line with UNSCR 2017 (2011), in particular Man-portable air defence system

(MANPADS) and chemical weapons stockpiles in Libya and the danger of their

dissemination across the region. It stresses the need for a response based on close

coordination with international partners and countries of the region, and it recalls the

relevance of the EU Sahel Strategy in this regard.

5. In full respect of the principle of Libyan ownership and in cooperation with the UN, the EU is

ready to combine all its instruments, including CSDP if appropriate, in order to provide

further assistance to the new Libya across a range of sectors, as already set out in the FAC

Conclusions of 10 October. Together with the Libyan authorities and the international

community, the EU will continue to work to lift restrictions on Libyan assets frozen abroad

in conformity with the wishes and needs of the Libyan people and the relevant UNSCRs. A

quick re-launch of the Libyan economy is needed to support the transition process. The EU

will continue to respond to requests for humanitarian assistance.

6. The Council reaffirms its readiness to support Libya during the transition and welcomes the

inauguration of an EU Delegation to Libya by High Representative Ashton.

7. The EU is committed to deepening and strengthening its relationship with the Libyan people

and looks forward to the participation of Libya within the European Neighbourhood Policy

and regional initiatives such as the Union for the Mediterranean."


SOURCE

European Council

Ok,baada ya masharti hayo ya Europe,hali halisi ni kama hii...

New Libya ‘confused' on Islamic rule


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Sunday, November 13, 2011

TRIPOLI, Libya

As the Libyan interim leader ensures the European Union he will not turn Libya into an extremist Islamic country, other NTC members fail to support his views. Meanwhile, clashes continue in the country over the weekend.
Libya will not turn into an extremist Islamic country, its interim leader assured the European Union's top diplomat Nov. 12, while at the same time failing to address a timeline for the control of anti-Gadhafi militia weapons.

Mustafa Abdul Jalil, chairman of the National Transitional Council (NTC), caused a stir in the West last month when he said Islamic shariah law would be the main source of legislation in the new Libya and that tenets violating it would be nullified.

"We will not be an extremist Islamic country," he said. "Our Islam is moderate," Abdul Jalil said at a news conference with EU High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton.

However, other NTC members have said Abdul Jalil had expressed his personal views on the role of shariah law. They noted that a constitution, which would address the role of religion in Libya, will only be written next year.

Asked whether she was concerned about the rise of Islamist groups in Libya, Ashton said: "We support all groups who believe in the values that we hold dear, of democracy, human rights, the rule of law."

Ashton told a women's conference in Tripoli that Libya's women should make sure their rights are enshrined in the future constitution, calling for gender-equality in the male-dominated country.

"The European Union wants to be with you on this journey, to try and help overcome the political and social barriers, to help ensure your role in shaping your future," Ashton said Abdul Jalil said women would play a role in Libyan politics and business and that they would be represented in the interim government, which is now being formed and will run Libya until a national assembly is elected in June.

The recently appointed prime minister, Abdurrahim el-Keib, is to present the list of names of the new ministers to the NTC in the coming week, Abdul Jalil said Nov. 12. Ministers would be chosen based on expertise, not tribal considerations, he said.

Kuhusiana na uchumi...

Transition To A New Libya
In their 2007 book on the Libyan economy, authors Waniss Otman and Erling Karlberg call the Libyan worker under Gadhafi "one of the most protected in the world," adding that Libyans have a "subsidy mentality," and a "job for life outlook which has ill-prepared Libyans for the more aggressive and cut-throat world of competition."

Ali Tarhouni, Libya's acting finance and oil chief, says he hopes the new Libya will feature a smaller government and a larger and freer private sector, but he has no illusions that it will be an easy transition.

"The challenge here is that this is a welfare state," Tarhouni says. "What makes it challenging is that right now the level of expectations of the people are very high, and that the government will deliver even more rather than less."

Tarhouni says Libya's fundamentally weak private sector and 40-year history of corruption also present a challenge for the country's economy.

One Libyan businessman is on a mission to change the subsidy regime, and eventually to end it. Husni Bey, CEO of HB Group, a collection of import/export, trading and logistics companies, says the government is spending 1,000 dinars - a little over $800 - on the average Libyan household each month. If that's the case, Bey says, then why does Libya have poor?

"We have poor because the subsidy in goods in rations is smuggled, stolen, abused [and] corrupt," Bey says. "So you are just fueling inflation, disappearance of the cash currency which we can see here in Libya and a few people making lots of money."

Bey says he believes that subsidy reform will not only free up the private sector, but will reduce the percentage of Libyans - now estimated at 40 percent - living below the poverty line.

But as any number of governments from Indonesia to Iran to Egypt have found, weaning a population off a subsidy-heavy lifestyle is easier said than done. Analysts say a brand-new Libyan government is unlikely to put that at the top of its to-do list.

Habari yote hii hapa...

Libya's Economy Faces New Tests After Gadhafi Era : NPR

However hali ndani ya Libya bado ni tete...

Clashes continue as weapons pose threat
Ashton opened an EU office in Tripoli and said her visit was meant to show support for the post-Gadhafi Libya. "We hope to be here for many years as your partner," she told Abdul Jalil.

Ashton's visit came 48 hours ahead of a meeting of the EU's 27 foreign ministers, who Nov. 14 will look at means of helping Libya recover from the months-long conflict. Ashton said she would raise the issue of billions of dollars in frozen Libyan assets abroad during this meeting.

Diplomatic sources said the ministers were likely to call for an inclusive transition process and express concern about reports of human rights violations. They would also confirm the bloc's readiness to assist Libya in a range of sectors.

Since the beginning of the crisis, the EU has provided more than 155 million euros in humanitarian support. The European Commission in addition is making 30 million euros available to support the immediate stabilization priorities of the NTC, with a further 50 million euros set aside for longer-term programs.

Meanwhile, the NTC chief was evasive when asked about growing concerns about the uncontrolled ownership of weapons. Since the end of the eight-month civil war that toppled the Gadhafi regime, rival anti-Gadhafi militias have clashed repeatedly.

On Saturday, two former fighters from the coastal city of Zawiya, some 50 km west of Tripoli, were killed in a clash with a rival militia from a nearby town, said Mukhtar al-Akhdar, commander of an armed group that was not involved in the confrontation.

Saturday's deaths brought the number of people killed in the dispute over the past two days to four. The fighting was the latest of a series of violent confrontations between militias jockeying for position.

El-Keib has said he could not disarm fighters until he has prepared alternatives, including jobs and training. Abdul Jalil seemed to affirm the slow approach Saturday, saying 75 percent of those carrying weapons were unemployed. "We will provide real opportunities of employment. We will support them," he said.

Compiled from AP and AFP stories by the Daily News staff.

Sunday, November 13, 2011

Habari yote hapo chini...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=new-libya-8216confused8217-on-islamic-rule-2011-11-13

Their Bill from NATO...

countries foot the bill for the war. The bill rises to $ 480 billion.[equivalent to 50 years of petrol]

This war has claimed more than 70,000 dead and thousands injured. Babies, children, women, old, ... murdered by NATO bombs. All the infrastructure of Libya are destroyed schools, universities, hospitals, mosques, roads, ....

They dare to come in costume ties to sign contracts for the reconstruction of Libya. What a shame! Build a new Libya while tens of thousands of deaths are still hot!

The son of former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, Seif El Islam, denied reports that he intended to go to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

According to him, the information reported is only part of the media war against supporters of the regime of his father in order to discourage resistance.

According to the news website "News Seven Days", close to the former Libyan regime, it would have received two letters of Seif el Islam in less than a week in which he refutes the information reported in some press, that he wanted to go to the ICC.

According to the message, Seif had warned his followers against the brainwashing of the media is saying about the contacts with the ICC he and Abdallah Senussi, former intelligence chief of the regime of his father.

Seif said he was on Libyan territory while Senoussi left Libya, "some think that we were arrested, which means we will be delivered to the ICC, something that is stripped of all meaning since, "he advised, adding" We we will never, victory or death. "

Seif considers what happened in Libya as a great betrayal and people believe everything that is said, "but I say to all those who loved and were faithful Gaddafi, I tell them all it takesthey do trust their leaders "as they did with his father.To ensure the bill that rises to 480 billion dollars, according NessBook, a source said that NATO will create a military base in Libya with a total of 20,000 soldiers. U.S. officials have expressed their approval up to 12,000 U.S. troops in this database.

The sources, members of the CNT have asked NATO to install a military base to face the danger of loyalists Kadhafi Otherwise, they will not receive the 480 billion dollars.

http://www.khalifat-al-muslimin.fr

 

[Lawkeys]

I may be pardoned for saying this, but I must say it anyway, that for the coming 5 years I would like to see Libyan's regret for the decision they have made, to make their regret a living example for those who think and believe that Revolution is a magical machine which can produce employment opportunities, upgrade living standard, elevate rule of law, shower good infrastructure, print money and make everybody reach, and of the like. Albeit at a low note, I emphatically say, that is MY WISH.

 

[mama D]

walifkiri ni rahisi kiasi hicho kupewa support na Nato??
walishindwa hata kutumia akili ndogo tu kujiuliza hao nato walkua wanataka nini!!!
sasa wataimba na kucheza style zote!
pole kwa walokua wanawasupport waasi!

 

[Shapu]

nasikia jana wamezichapa tena leaving 4 people dead

 

[Pezzonovante]

The country was formally declared liberated three days later, setting in motion the process of creating a new constitution and an elected government.

By early November, many of the local militia leaders who helped topple Colonel Qaddafi abandoned a pledge to give up their weapons. They said that they intend to preserve their autonomy and influence political decisions as "guardians of the revolution."


NAKWAMBIA UKISHIKA BUNDUKI UKAITUIMIA NA KUONJA MAMLAKA YAKE HUTATAKA KUIACHIA, MTU AKITAKA KUKUNYANGANYA UNAONA ANATAKA CHUKUA AUTHORITY YAKO HIYO BABA TUNITA POWER OF CHARASHINKOV

 

[Pezzonovante]

The issue of the militias is one of the most urgent facing Libya's new provisional government, the Transitional National Council.

HILO NDILO TATIZO LA BAADA YA VITA JE WELE MACHIZI BAADA YA UKOMBOZI UTAWAPELEKA WAPI WAKATI WALIKUWA WANAPABAKA WANAIBA SASA AMANI NI NURU SASA WANAONEKANA SASA LAZIMA WAANZISHE KASHESHE

 

[doctorz]

Libya cant be new until those in power are people the ones who were not holdong positions in the Gadhafi regiem or people who never lived outside Libya during the Gadhafi time. All who are in the transitional government were accused of crimes in the previous government. NEW LIBYA IS POSIBBLE BUT WITHOUT THE LEADERS OF NTC

 

[jmushi1]

Libya cant be new until those in power are people the ones who were not holdong positions in the Gadhafi regiem or people who never lived outside Libya during the Gadhafi time. All who are in the transitional government were accused of crimes in the previous government. NEW LIBYA IS POSIBBLE BUT WITHOUT THE LEADERS OF NTC

Mkuu doctorz,
"New Libya" kwa maana ya post Gaddafi era.

Its a new era hence "New Libya"

 

[KAPONGO]

I may be pardoned for saying this, but I must say it anyway, that for the coming 5 years, I would like to see Libyan's regret for the decision they have made, to make their regret, a living example for those who think and believe that Revolution is a magical machine which produce employment opportunities, higher living standard, rule of law, good infrastructure, print money and make people all reach and of the like. Though at a low note, I say that is MY WISH.

Libyans will now remain in nightmares for good.. not Five years!! They will be haunted and tormented by their sins and betrayal to their true son who sacrified her own life to give his people what it takes to ensure that they get in abandance all the neccessity and remain unique in this world characterised by institutionalized greedy and exploitations by the west and its allies. You may quote me!

 

[jmushi1]

Kuna Walibya ambao wana amini kabisa kuwa hao NTC siyo wanamapinduzi bali lengo lao lilikuwa ni kulipiza kisasi/visasi!

Pia wameshaanza kuchoshwa na hao rebela.Hivi kiukweli walikuwa hawajui haya yataokea?

Mwenye kunufaika hapo ni nani?

Gaddafi loyalists fight on as Libya tries to unite.
BANI WALID, Libya | Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:14pm EDT


BANI WALID, Libya (Reuters) - The war is not yet over for Libya's new rulers in the desert town of Bani Walid where Gaddafi loyalists vow to fight on for their fallen leader and other residents are angry over violence and looting.

Enraged by what they see as acts of retribution by forces loyal to Libya's new government, tribesmen say their men are already trying to regroup into a new insurgency movement in and around the strategic desert town south of the capital, Tripoli.

"The Warfalla tribe is boiling inside. They can't wait to do something about this," Abu Abdurakhman, a local resident, said during a tour of his house destroyed by what he said was a revenge attack by anti-Gaddafi forces.

"The Warfalla men of Tripoli and elsewhere are sending around text messages saying: 'We need to gather and do something about this. Let's gather! Let's gather!'"

Gaddafi loyalists have no hope of reinstalling the former strongman's clan following the dictator's death, with his son, Saif Al-Islam, on the run, and a wave of anti-Gaddafi sentiment sweeping Libya and internationally.

But Libya's interim government, the National Transitional Council (NTC), is aware that support from disenchanted, armed civilians could bolster a tiny but lingering Gaddafi force in the desert and some towns.
And to nip any further insurgency in the bud, it now needs to win people's hearts and minds -- a formidable task in a war-shattered town like Bani Walid.
Bani Walid is of particular importance because it is the spiritual homebase to Libya's biggest tribe, the powerful Warfalla, which includes up to one million of Libya's 6 million population, with tribesmen scattered across the country.
The town is awash with guns and some neighborhoods still flaunt pro-Gaddafi graffiti. Shootouts between government forces and Gaddafi loyalists occur daily on the edge of Bani Walid.
Government forces present in the city said they were aware of the problem but believed that with Gaddafi now dead, hostilities would soon fizzle out in the absence of a clear goal and before developing into a formidable insurgent force.
"Yes, we know there are armed civilian loyalists," said Omar al Mukhtar, commander of anti-Gaddafi forces in northern Bani Walid. "But I don't think they pose any threat because they only have light weapons. "
In private interviews, fighters were visibly more alarmed.
"We always stamp on Gaddafi portraits spread out on the ground but they step over them. There are shootouts every day with Gaddafi loyalists," said one soldier from a Bani Walid brigade.

Fighters said loyalists were using dried-up riverbeds to launch night-time attacks on their positions -- a tactic that highlights the loyalists' resolve to fight on.
REVENGE
Tucked away in desert hills 150 km (90 miles) south of Tripoli, Bani Walid fell to NTC forces on October 17 -- three days before Gaddafi's death marked the end of the eight-month war.
NTC forces rolled into the city in Soviet tanks seized from Gaddafi forces earlier in the war and set up military bases in central Bani Walid -- still very much a ghost town after thousands fled following weeks of fierce fighting.
Troops patrol deserted streets and revolutionary flags flutter above gutted buildings. Some families are slowly coming back, only to discover that many family homes had been ruined. There is still no water and electricity.
A step deeper into its neighborhoods, their mud and brick homes cascading steeply into barren valleys, offers a glimpse into an unfriendly world still living in a state of war.
In one neighborhood, Tlumat, gunshots rung out and locals gathered quickly during a Reuters visit on Tuesday, some looking alarmed and hiding their faces with black scarves.

Gaddafi may be dead and buried, but freshly sprayed graffiti offered a sinister reminder that for some people in Libya, his memory still lives on.

In Tlumat, crumbling walls were covered with fresh slogans sprayed in the green color of Gaddafi's own revolution in 1969. One, peppered with bullet holes, echoed the ubiquitous slogan of the old rule: "Allah, Muammar, Libya, nothing else."
Residents said NTC units appeared regularly in their neighborhood -- perceived as pro-Gaddafi -- shooting randomly in the air at night to terrorize the people in the past week.
Locals also accused brigades from far-flung places such as Zawiya and Garyan of attacking their homes because of their belief that Bani Walid tribesmen once fought on Gaddafi's side during the siege of those towns earlier in the war.

"This is not a revolution. These are acts of revenge. What I have seen is not a revolution," said Abdulkhakim Maad, 30.
"These so-called rebels are stealing everything, looting houses, cars, people's belongings. They storm into neighborhoods and shoot everywhere to scare the people."
Swearing angrily, another man who was selling cigarettes on a street corner littered with rubble and bullet casings, said: "The rebels destroyed our houses. There is a lot of looting. We were already poor. All of this made our lives even worse."
Some locals said they were ready to give the NTC a chance to contain local brigades and enforce law and order.

"But if the NTC does nothing then we will consider them as an enemy," said Tabet Awena, 80, a tribal elder in Bani Walid, pointing at a house with a smashed-up facade destroyed in what he said was a recent raid by an NTC unit.
"The reaction here will be very strong. We will fight to the death."
Commanders denied allegations of looting and retribution.
"Yes, houses were ruined, cars, personal belongings and gold stolen. Homes were destroyed by gangs from Zawiya. They are not real rebels," said Abdusalam Saad Mheda, a field commander.
"Rebels are not involved in any looting. They are good people. They are loyal to their country."
HEARTS AND MINDS
Abu Abdurakhman, whose house was damaged in what he said was a raid by an NTC unit three days ago, said that people were so angry that even those who initially welcomed rebel forces during the siege of Bani Walid have now turned against them.
"Muammar Gaddafi may be over but these people see what the so-called rebels are doing and they are angry," he said.
"Most of the looting happened when people were away. When they came back even those who supported the revolution ... had turned against it."
With the staunchest loyalists hiding in the desert, any reconciliation effort will be hard. Many families are divided, and people spoke of growing bitterness even within their tribe.
"My cousins are Gaddafi loyalists, so they are staying in the desert," said Mustafa Hassan, 32, as he drove back into Bani Walid with his family from their war-time exile in Tripoli. "It's happening in every family. It's all divided now."
The NTC is aware that in a place like Bani Walid, its top priority is to win people's hearts and minds -- and to do so quickly, before it's too late to stop an insurgency.
"These are simple people. They were imprisoned by Gaddafi militiamen for months and now they don't know what is happening in other parts of Libya," said Mheda, the commander.
"Many families are coming back but their houses are destroyed. There is no electricity. We are working on that. Every day will be better."
(Writing By Maria Golovnina, Editing by Belinda Goldsmith)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/26/us-libya-bani-walid-idUSTRE79O71U20111026

 

[Somoche]

Ngoma bado mbichi sana kule Libya manake wananchi wengi sasa wanajiuliza baada ya Ghadaff mbona hakuna kipya maisha magumu na usalama hakuna tena...ukweli ni kwamba vita inaendelea maeneo mbalimbali ya Libya ila hawa jamaa wa NATO hawataki watu wajue hilo ndio mana hawazitaki zionekane kwenye Media na kama mnavyojua MEDIA zote kubwa ni zao..nawashauri tuwe tunatafta habari kwenye vyombo vingne huru manake huko wanasema wazi kwamba maeneo mbalimbali ya Libya vita inaendelea.

 

[EMT]

New Libya won't happen tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Ukiangalia Tunisia na Misri ambapo kulikuwa na true revolution, can you already see the new Tunisia or Misri? I don't think so. Likewise Libya tena inaweza kuchukua muda mrefu kuona mabadiliko kutokana na political systema ambayo Gaddafi aliiweka. They are going to start from the scratch. Kutokana na politcal suppression ya Gaddafi, kwa sasa hakuna hata mtu kutoka nje ya system ya utawala wa Gaddafi anayeonekana kuwa na credentials za kuongoza Libya hasa wakati huu. So, it is not going to be easy transition and it's going to take a long time.

 

[jmushi1]

New Libya won't happen tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Ukiangalia Tunisia na Misri ambapo kulikuwa na true revolution, can you already see the new Tunisia or Misri? I don't think so. Likewise Libya tena inaweza kuchukua muda mrefu kuona mabadiliko kutokana na political systema ambayo Gaddafi aliiweka. They are going to start from the scratch. Kutokana na politcal suppression ya Gaddafi, kwa sasa hakuna hata mtu kutoka nje ya system ya utawala wa Gaddafi anayeonekana kuwa na credentials za kuongoza Libya hasa wakati huu. So, it is not going to be easy transition and it's going to take a long time.

Mkuu EMT,i beg to differ,

A new Libya began the day Gaddafi got killed.

 

[jmushi1]

Ngoma bado mbichi sana kule Libya manake wananchi wengi sasa wanajiuliza baada ya Ghadaff mbona hakuna kipya maisha magumu na usalama hakuna tena...ukweli ni kwamba vita inaendelea maeneo mbalimbali ya Libya ila hawa jamaa wa NATO hawataki watu wajue hilo ndio mana hawazitaki zionekane kwenye Media na kama mnavyojua MEDIA zote kubwa ni zao..nawashauri tuwe tunatafta habari kwenye vyombo vingne huru manake huko wanasema wazi kwamba maeneo mbalimbali ya Libya vita inaendelea.

True!

Inaonekana ili waweze kubaki madarakani wameamuwa kutumia mabavu na ugaidi dhidi ya wananchi...This is a new Libya...The Libya after Gaddafi.

Tuendele na mjadala...

"This is not a revolution. These are acts of revenge. What I have seen is not a revolution," said Abdulkhakim Maad, 30.
"These so-called rebels are stealing everything, looting houses, cars, people's belongings. They storm into neighborhoods and shoot everywhere to scare the people."

 

[Bright Smart]

By Oliver Holmes
IMAYA, Libya | Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:26pm EST

(Reuters) - Heavy fighting between local armed groups killed several people on the outskirts of Tripoli Saturday, as interim government officials struggled to calm tensions amid talk of tribal feuds and diehard support for Muammar Gaddafi.
On a second day of clashes near a military camp lying among farms and villages between the capital and the port of Zawiyah, some 50 km (30 miles) to the west, anti-Gaddafi fighters from Zawiyah pounded targets with heavy machineguns, anti-aircraft cannon, rocket-propelled grenades and Grad rockets.
Incoming shellfire forced the Zawiyah fighters to take cover and retreat at times.
The fighting has fanned anxieties that, with tens of thousands of heavily armed men roaming a country still lacking new structures of government, frictions could escalate and hamper efforts to install democracy in place of Gaddafi's rule.
Zawiyah fighters, who said they had two men killed on Friday, put their own losses Saturday at around 10, though there was considerable confusion at the scene. Senior figures who said they spoke for those on the other side, said they knew of no losses and blamed tension on misunderstandings.
Intense and prolonged exchanges of gunfire punctuated by explosions continued for several hours Saturday afternoon, around a military base at Imaya, an area inhabited by people from the Wershifanna tribe, a big clan in the Tripoli region.
The area straddles the main highway connecting the capital to the Tunisian border and oil and gas facilities near Zawiyah.
Mohammed Sayeh, a member from the Wershifanna on the 51-seat National Transitional Council (NTC), Libya's interim rulers, played down the fighting, calling it an attack by men from Zawiyah who wanted control of the Imaya base and had been misled by a rumor that pro-Gaddafi fighters were in the area.
"They have made propaganda that the Wershifanna are pro-Gaddafi to themselves an excuse to go through people's homes, take their cars," Sayeh told Reuters, adding that the NTC was working to calm the situation. "These are false rumors."
HEAVY FIGHTING
Yet at the Zawiyah brigades' front line, field commander Walid bin Kora, speaking to Reuters as the sound of bullets and grenades filled the gathering dusk, insisted he and his men had seen organised fighting units with vehicles marked "Brigade of the Martyr Muammar Gaddafi" attack them and take prisoners.
He said Zawiyah fighters had seen tanks and green flags, a symbol of support for Gaddafi, and had captured "mercenary" pro-Gaddafi fighters from sub-Saharan Africa. "It's a real army," bin Kora said of those he was facing as his brigade regrouped under a highway bridge.
A paramedic from Zawiyah, who drove to the scene to help take troops back to Zawiyah hospital, said he knew of at least seven killed from their side.
Reuters journalists saw more than a dozen wounded fighters being evacuated from the area.
Fathi Ayad, an NTC military commander who is also from the Wershifanna, said the interim administration had brought together leaders from both sides and was confident a ceasefire would hold Sunday. There was little sign of calm as darkness fell Saturday.
Hapa ndo patamu haya mambumbumbu ya kiarabu sasa ndo yataona upumbavu wao wa kujifanya yanataka democracy ya kinafiki chini ya mwavuli NATO, USA na majizi mengine kutoka West yanayotaka resources za Libya, wacha wachinjane tu safi sana hii ndo democracy waliyoichagua na wao wameingia kwenye list ya Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia....ha ha haaaaa!!!!

 

[EMT]

Mkuu EMT,i beg to differ,

A new Libya began the day Gaddafi got killed.

Kwa hiyo unapobomoa nyumba ya zamani na kuanza ku-clear ili kuanza kujenga nyumba mpya, unaweza ukasema tayari una nyumba mpya pale unapomaliza kubomoa hiyo nyumba ya zamani?

 

[jmushi1]

Kwa hiyo unapobomoa nyumba ya zamani na kuanza ku-clear ili kuanza kujenga nyumba mpya, unaweza ukasema tayari una nyumba mpya pale unapomaliza kubomoa hiyo nyumba ya zamani?

EMT,
Hivi unadhani ni kwanini walisubiri kutangaza ukombozi ama a liberated Libya hadi Gaddafi alipokufa?

Symbolically,that was the end of an era, hence the begining of a new one...Nyumba mpya sasa inaanza kujengwa,una maana gani unaposema eti bado wanaendelea kuibomoa?

Hatutazungumzia a new Libya after 100 yrs, bali tunazungumzia "a new Libya" right from the moment walipotangaza liberation.

Nyumba mpya siyo lazima ikamilike ndo uiite mpya...

Nyumba mpya inayojengwa wewe unaiita ya zamani?

Nyumba mpya, hata ikiwa kwenye msingi,itakuwa refered to as a "nyumba mpya" kwasababu ndo mwanzo wake mara baada ya nyumba ya zamani kuondolewa(assume palikuwepo nyumba kama ulivyodai).

Pia ningependa usiji contradict na hao ambao uko upande wao kwenye issue hii...

"1. The EU welcomes the Declaration of Liberation of Libya made on October 23, which marks the beginning of a new era for the country and its people

Na hapo kwenye ku "clear nyumba" una maana ku clear nyumba ambayo haijabomolewa ama ku clear hayo mabaki/magofu?

Je unaamini hiyo ndo process waliyoko sasa hivi? Na je kwa maoni yako, when can we say this is a new Libya?

Ama Libya has never changed?

Tuendelee kujadili...

 

[Bright Smart]

[h=1]​Yetu Macho!!

Moussa Ibrahim statement – November 3, 2011 (Eng-Ita)[/h]Posted on November 4, 2011 by libyanfreepress| Leave a comment

Dr. Moussa Ibrahim: "a Document of Honour will be declared by the united leaders of all tribes soon".
The Seven Days News Agency, contacted by dr. Moussa Ibrahim, spokesman for the Libyan government of the Resistance, has issued this report.
"A document of honour will soon be in the hands of Libyan tribes, and the document is a statement about the position and the reign of the tribes that joined them, even the elders. Tribes of Bani Walid, Sirte and the Touareg will be the first to sign this document, declaring firmly that those who do not enter the tribes for whatever reason there will be no future in Libya,no freedom and honour for them".

Dr. Moussa called all honest Libyans to circulate news about this document.
"Soon each tribe will be called to its historic responsibility, the voice of Mighty Libya will be the resistance, even if it means years of fighting and targeting of western agents as individuals, groups, tribes, and anyone who is letting down or stopping the resistance against its will, is going to pay the price significantly".
He added:
"Rafla agrees with the document, and Alqmazfah are with the document, the document is with the Tuareg, and other tribes which were related with us in secret and have promised they will announce their position explicitly very soon, it is going to be a surprise".
He concluded by saying:
"Tribal elders Sabesmon imprinted blood on the paper, blood not ink, this will be the document in the custody of the Libyan history for the generations to read from it, to know that parents and grandparents did not betray Libya, to know that they chose to end the occupation.
The tribes which are overdue on this honour will be doomed.
Honor to our Commanding General, Saif-al-Islam. May God bless you all ".

IBRAHIM MOUSSA – 03.11.2011
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[Zing]

Sasa ikitoea hawa wakaaza kupigana kama kooo za kule somalaia Nato wataingilia? Wataingia kumdefend nani? Tuombe Libya wasonge mbele bila matatizo mkaubwa laikini New libya bado ni tete na unpredicatble.

Lakini utete utakuwepo sababu kwa hali ya uchumi wa dunia uliopo sasas libya haiwezi kuwa better( kiuchumi) than ilivyokuwa chini ya gaddaffi. Hilo tu linaweza kuwanyima watu uvumilivu. Unless watu walikuwa wanapigiania mabadiliko ya kisiasa na demokrasia tu na sio uchumi na mambo ya social services.

 

[jmushi1]

Sasa ikitoea hawa wakaaza kupigana kama kooo za kule somalaia Nato wataingilia? Wataingia kumdefend nani? Tuombe Libya wasonge mbele bila matatizo mkaubwa laikini New libya bado ni tete na unpredicatble.

Lakini utete utakuwepo sababu kwa hali ya uchumi wa dunia uliopo sasas libya haiwezi kuwa better( kiuchumi) than ilivyokuwa chini ya gaddaffi. Hilo tu linaweza kuwanyima watu uvumilivu. Unless watu walikuwa wanapigiania mabadiliko ya kisiasa na demokrasia tu na sio uchumi na mambo ya social services.

NATO wako busy kunyonya mafuta...Watapenda hali hiyo iendelee kwasababu ina provide more opportunities kuliko miss opportunities.

Pia ili kushindana na Russians na Wachina, itabidi pia wakiweza wasaidie kuuza silaha kote kote,yani kutumia ma agents tofauti kusupply weapons from the same Nations.

Ndivyo wanavyofanya,na ndivyo ambavyo wamekuwa wakifanya miaka nenda miaka rudi...Its a scramble,at least just the beginning.

Si uliona warusi walishajipanga licha ya kwamba ni kinafiki kwa Putin kuuliza eti nani aliwapa NATO ruhusa ya kumwua Gaddafi?

Si unafiki huo? Si walikuwa na veto? Hivyo utaona wanajipanga tu ki opportunistic!

I never knew Libyans are that naive...

Nina amini mataifa mengi tu yaliyoendelea yana wananchi naive,sema wana raha ya kulindwa na serikali hizo ambazo hazigusiki.