Public Debate on Land Grabbing in Tanzania

[Froida]

Wajaribu kuwaleta tutahakikisha wanaishi kwa taabu sana upuuzi mtu kwani sisi hatuna shida ya ardhi hao mbwa koko wanaopitisha hiyo mikataba wajue mwisho wa siku watakuja kutupwa lupango wasituletee mambo ya zimbwabwe hapa kugawa ardhi yetu bila kumfikiria mtanzania

 

[Mpenda Kwao]

"Once beaten twice shy" i guess you are aware of this phrase. Do you think we will let you do what you did in 1977? Have you forgoten that Charles wa Njonjo was the master mind of the death of EAC after making sure all the trains and jets are in Kenya?
Experiance shows that the victimizer forgets easly but the victimized person will never forget.
STAY AWAY FROM US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE WILL SORT OUR OWN PROBLEMS INTERNALL!!!! JUST GO TO SOUTHERN SUDAN PLEASE. YES WE HAVE OUR PROBLEMS BUT THEY CAN BE SORTED OUT EASLY THAN YOUR PROBLEM.

Kenyans are not obsessed with Tanzania, not the Tanzanian people at least, we have interest with the land maybe but nothing more than that. what my friend mkenya mzalendo is trying to say is that Tanzania would rather dish out land to Asians (who will only employ Tanzanians as manual laborers, and use bad farming practices to maximize on the profits) than lease the same to fellow east Africans, he is not complaining but just airing an observation. Kenya's arable land is quite small, all those that have visited Kenya can attest to this fact, land grabbing since the Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki ''error'' has made matters worse. our ''good neighbors'' on the other hand have large tracts of idle arable land, that due to their inherent laziness they cant utilize fully but wont allow an east African to squatter on that land for an agreed amount of money and period of time.

i have come to a conclusion that the EAC will not work if Tanzania keep holding grudges against Kenya and intentionally blocking businessmen and investors from doing their trade in Tanzania. It wont take long before Tanzania realizes that it has goofed in many of its policies against East African countries, coz you are definitely being raped by the Arab, West and Asian world, watch this space people.

 

[Smatta]

So if someone denies his property is an ethnocentric? What about Kenyattas and the like who screwed you up? The fact that i don't use all my land, it doesn't mean i don't need it. Wapumbavu tu nyie, TZ won't be the solution of your problems. You said you know business, go ahead and do it! And Do it good! Don't poke you noses in things you have nothing to do with. Even those intruders will face justice! Observe the word justice! You thought EAC will work for you, no it won't. No land, go back to your 3/4 desert country!

i love how your blind patriotism clouds your judgement, Id rather read trolls at CNN's comment section than read your emotional blubbers. Enjoy the rest of the afternoon bro, and quit being so emotional, sh*t aint personal, this is the internets.. sheeesh.. and there is nothing that Tanzanians can do bro, you are too lazy to even demonstrate after your votes were stolen.. waswahili bana

 

[Jasusi]

are you sure?

Yes, I am very sure. Under Kikwete and CCM who think that foreigners are economic liberators we are bending backwards to give away our land to these so called investors. I am very sure!

 

[Jasusi]

Yes, TzPride! Why are you lamenting about TZ leasing land to Bangladeshans? You don't see any problem for the case of Uganda and Gambia! Jasusi, that overwhelming desires of you Kenyans to acquire land in Tz is what worries us. For God's sake, give us a break.....get the land somewhere else i.e South Sudan at least they can cope with your usual clashes over the land.

TZPride,
For your information I am a Tanzanian. Born and raised.

 

[NDOTO KAVU]

Bangladeshi companies say they have leased thousands of hectares of farmland in Africa as part of their efforts to avoid future food shortages.

Two Bangladeshi companies have already signed deals to lease unused cultivable land in Uganda, Tanzania and Gambia.

Another agreement to lease around 30,000 hectares for 99 years will be signed with the Tanzanian government later this week.

Officials say African countries have huge amounts of unused cultivable land.

At the same time they say that Bangladesh has the manpower and expertise to produce staple crops all year round.

'Food security'
Under the plans, the Contract Farming System will enable Bangladeshi companies to get at least 60% of the produce.

In return Bangladesh will train African farmers in rain-fed rice cultivation, seed conservation and irrigation.

It is hoped that the new arrangement will increase food productivity and enable the country's expanding workforce to be deployed in Africa's farming sector.

"Basically this idea is mainly for proper management of our food security," said Wahidur Rahman, a senior Bangladeshi foreign ministry official.

Continue reading the main story

S Korea 'in Tanzania land deal'
"We are thinking of expanding our agriculture, but we do not have enough land to cultivate. Because of this we are thinking Africa may be the destination for our agriculture production."

Bangladesh is the world's fourth largest producer of rice and it harvested around 34 million tonnes last year.

Although the country produces enough to feed its population of 160 million people, it faces shortages at times because of natural disasters.

Officials say apart from rice there is also scope to cultivate other crops such as wheat and cotton in Africa.

Ndugu zangu watanzania mliobahatika kuingia sehemu kama hizi na kupata nafasi ya kutoa maoni tunaomba tutumie muda huu kukemea hii hali wanayotaka kutuingiza hawa watu wachache wenye uchu wa sifa na fedha. Watanzania wanahangaika hawana hata mahali pa kulala chakula ni shida maisha magumu. Lakini tunashangaa serikali inafikiria shida za nchi nyingine. Kama hali imewashinda serikali tuelimishane tulinde ardhi yetu na nchi yetu . Kila eneo waambiwe walinde eneo lao hatakama litakuwa ni la serikali. Hakuna kitu kizuri kujiwekea kama ardhi. Tuangalie nchi za wenzetu wananufaika na nini ni kilimo. Huu mzaha mzaha tutakujakujuta baadae watoto wetu watakapoanza kutusuta.

 

[MkamaP]

Jamani leteni links mnapoandika habari ili tujue source. Hili la source ni jambo muhimu sana kwa credibility ya habari.
Anyway, mbona naona jambo hili linafanwa kinyemela-nyemela? Uamuzi kama huo ilibidi ufanywe na bunge na siyo watu walio kwenye vipembe gizani. Jamani, hadi lini nchi hii inaendeshwa kama shamba la mtu?

Source
BBC News - Bangladeshi companies launch Africa farm lease plan

 

[BAK]

BBC News - Bangladeshi companies launch Africa farm lease plan

Nchi inauzwa taratibu. Wabangladesh wakodi ardhi kwa miaka 99, si ajabu na Wahindi na Wachina nao wakafanya hivyo na hawa watu jinsi walivyokuwa na population kubwa wakiingia nchini kwa wingi basi Tanzania itakuwa si ya Watanzania tena bali ya wahindi na Wachina. Hawa wanaojiita Viongozi wanafanya maamuzi ya ajabu ajabu kila kukicha bila kuangalia athari kubwa za maamuzi yao kwa Watanzania. Huyu Waziri wa Ardhi inabidi atueleze Watanzania kuhusu maamuzi haya yenye athari kubwa kwa nchi yetu.

 

[TzPride]

TZPride,
For your information I am a Tanzanian. Born and raised.

Ooh, spoiled then! No Tanznian will accept the idea of giving out land to Kenyans, they are too greedy. It won't take long before wer start fighting over that land. They only solution is to keep Kenyans out of land issues. Imagine the way they tried hard to penetrate it into common customs isssues...it had no relevance at all......any one can suspected the motive behind is not good.

Tuligongwa nyoka mwaka 1977, sasa hata jani tu linatushitua. Watu gani mpaka enzi hizi wao kutwanga mapanga ni kawaida... to hell with greedy Kenyan Nyang'aus.

 

[Nyamgluu]

Bangladeshi companies launch Africa farm lease plan


Bangladeshi companies say they have leased thousands of hectares of farmland in Africa as part of their efforts to avoid future food shortages.
Two Bangladeshi companies have already signed deals to lease unused cultivable land in Uganda, Tanzania and Gambia.
Another agreement to lease around 30,000 hectares for 99 years will be signed with the Tanzanian government later this week.
Officials say African countries have huge amounts of unused cultivable land.
At the same time they say that Bangladesh has the manpower and expertise to produce staple crops all year round.
'Food security' Under the plans, the Contract Farming System will enable Bangladeshi companies to get at least 60% of the produce.
In return Bangladesh will train African farmers in rain-fed rice cultivation, seed conservation and irrigation.
It is hoped that the new arrangement will increase food productivity and enable the country's expanding workforce to be deployed in Africa's farming sector.
"Basically this idea is mainly for proper management of our food security," said Wahidur Rahman, a senior Bangladeshi foreign ministry official.
Continue reading the main story

• S Korea 'in Tanzania land deal'

"We are thinking of expanding our agriculture, but we do not have enough land to cultivate. Because of this we are thinking Africa may be the destination for our agriculture production."
Bangladesh is the world's fourth largest producer of rice and it harvested around 34 million tonnes last year.
Although the country produces enough to feed its population of 160 million people, it faces shortages at times because of natural disasters.
Officials say apart from rice there is also scope to cultivate other crops such as wheat and cotton in Africa.

We must be CURSED most definetely!! We renting them our land, fine, but we are aven allowing them to bring their work force from BANGALADESH when our own farmers don't have work!!!???
Those ****** will breed like maggots here and never think they will invest anything here but will take everything even bank deposits to Bangaladesh if not Canada!!

Hivi nili waziri gani limekubali hili!!? Walahi tukijawaua nyie CCM na koo zenu ndio mtatambua ni kiasi gani tumewachoka!! Utakuta jitu limepokea vi millioni likauza nchi, tutaona mtakaa wapi!!

 

[eliakeem]

Kenyans are not obsessed with Tanzania, not the Tanzanian people at least, we have interest with the land maybe but nothing more than that. what my friend mkenya mzalendo is trying to say is that Tanzania would rather dish out land to Asians (who will only employ Tanzanians as manual laborers, and use bad farming practices to maximize on the profits) than lease the same to fellow east Africans, he is not complaining but just airing an observation. Kenya's arable land is quite small, all those that have visited Kenya can attest to this fact, land grabbing since the Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki ''error'' has made matters worse. our ''good neighbors'' on the other hand have large tracts of idle arable land, that due to their inherent laziness they cant utilize fully but wont allow an east African to squatter on that land for an agreed amount of money and period of time.

i have come to a conclusion that the EAC will not work if Tanzania keep holding grudges against Kenya and intentionally blocking businessmen and investors from doing their trade in Tanzania. It wont take long before Tanzania realizes that it has goofed in many of its policies against East African countries, coz you are definitely being raped by the Arab, West and Asian world, watch this space people.

smatta... whether our land is fully utilised or idle.........what irks you?...........
I always telling you Kenyans concentrate on land redistribution.......take land from the whites and few (rich & elite) africans......Study what the true son of Africa Mugabe did...... otherwise utabaki unatazama tu......

 

[CAMARADERIE]

Wakenya bwana mnanifurahisha sana......just go on window shopping for ''our land'' but you wont get it

 

[TIMING]

Kenyans are not obsessed with Tanzania, not the Tanzanian people at least, we have interest with the land maybe but nothing more than that. what my friend mkenya mzalendo is trying to say is that Tanzania would rather dish out land to Asians (who will only employ Tanzanians as manual laborers, and use bad farming practices to maximize on the profits) than lease the same to fellow east Africans, he is not complaining but just airing an observation. Kenya's arable land is quite small, all those that have visited Kenya can attest to this fact, land grabbing since the Kenyatta, Moi and now Kibaki ''error'' has made matters worse. our ''good neighbors'' on the other hand have large tracts of idle arable land, that due to their inherent laziness they cant utilize fully but wont allow an east African to squatter on that land for an agreed amount of money and period of time.

i have come to a conclusion that the EAC will not work if Tanzania keep holding grudges against Kenya and intentionally blocking businessmen and investors from doing their trade in Tanzania. It wont take long before Tanzania realizes that it has goofed in many of its policies against East African countries, coz you are definitely being raped by the Arab, West and Asian world, watch this space people.

good conclusion...

Now focus on Somalia, Ethiopia, South sudan and other with no grudges

Kumbuka mlivyokua mnatufukuza na kumwaga safari lager
kumbuka mnavyobana every angle akiwepo mbongo including international development assignments

sisi si mabwege tena

huwezi kutaka ardhi yangu bila kufanya ninachotaka.... I HVAE THE LAND AND I HAVE THE PROPERTY MEANING I HAVE THE VOICE

TAKE IT OR LEAVE.... FOOL!!!

 

[Buyaka]

Bangladeshi companies launch Africa farm lease plan

By Anbarasan Ethirajan BBC News, Dhaka
May 19th, 2011

Bangladeshi companies say they have leased thousands of hectares of farmland in Africa as part of their efforts to avoid future food shortages. Two Bangladeshi companies have already signed deals to lease unused cultivable land in Uganda, Tanzania and Gambia.

Another agreement to lease around 30,000 hectares for 99 years will be signed with the Tanzanian government later this week.

Officials say African countries have huge amounts of unused cultivable land. At the same time they say that Bangladesh has the manpower and expertise to produce staple crops all year round.

'Food security'

Under the plans, the Contract Farming System will enable Bangladeshi companies to get at least 60% of the produce.In return Bangladesh will train African farmers in rain-fed rice cultivation, seed conservation and irrigation. It is hoped that the new arrangement will increase food productivity and enable the country's expanding workforce to be deployed in Africa's farming sector.

"Basically this idea is mainly for proper management of our food security," said Wahidur Rahman, a senior Bangladeshi foreign ministry official.

"We are thinking of expanding our agriculture, but we do not have enough land to cultivate. Because of this we are thinking Africa may be the destination for our agriculture production." Bangladesh is the world's fourth largest producer of rice and it harvested around 34 million tonnes last year.

Although the country produces enough to feed its population of 160 million people, it faces shortages at times because of natural disasters.Officials say apart from rice there is also scope to cultivate other crops such as wheat and cotton in Africa.

 

[Igembe Nsabo]

......."Another agreement to lease around 30,000 hectares for 99 years will be signed with the Tanzanian government later this week. ........'Officials say African countries have huge amounts of unused cultivable land' " [/FONT]

Yes we have unused land!!

But are the owner of that land are aware with this contract??, namaanisha wananchi wa Vijijini ambao ndio beneficialy wa hii ardhi!? actually hawajui hata nini kinaendelea ila wao wanajazwa matumaini ya kuwa jamii itanufaika na mradi huu kwa kupata ajira.
Sasa kama tunaacha ardhi yote inatwaliwa na hawa investors wa kigeni bila kuwahusisha wazawa tutegemee ya TARIME na MBURU ambako wananchi hawapokei na hakuna maelewano na Wawekezaji hao, kwani hatujawaandaa wananchi wetu na wawekezaji wetu tunawatetea na kuwatetemekea kama kwamba ni miungu mtu.

 

[nguluvisonzo]

Are the owner of land aware with this contract?? Na maanisha wananchi wa Vijijini ambao ndio beneficialy wa hii ardhi!? actually hawajui hata nini kinaendelea ila wao wanajazwa matumaini tu. Kwamba mtapata ajira na jamii itanufaika na mradi huu kwa kupata ajira, tutajenga hiki na kile,.... na mambo kibao. Ila hii techniques za kufika na wao wakao wakulima wakubwa kama haya makampuni ndio hatutaki kuwashirikisha, au hata kuwa na Joint venture with those companies ili hao wananchi watoe ardhi yao kwa kuwa sehemu ya hayo makampuni nao wawe beneficialy wa hicho kilimo.
Sasa kama tunaacha ardhi yote inatwaliwa na hawa investors wa kigeni bila kuwahusisha wazawa tutegemee ya TARIME na MBURU ambako wananchi hawapokei na hakuna maelewano na Wawekezaji hao.

Nasema umiliki wa ardhi miaka 99 NO,sera iwe ardhi ibakie kwa wazalendo na wao wawekeza kupitia mgongo wa mtanzania(mmiliki),iwe kijiji au mtu binafsi,tukiwapa kwa miaka 99 tumeuza ardhi yenye rutuba kwa wahindi nasema tena NO NO NO.hii si biashara nzuri kwa watanzania,hiyo 40% ndio itufanye kuuza ardhi yetu hapana jamani.

 

[Mahesabu]

MUGABE: Hatutaachia raslimali kwa wazungu

HARARE, Zimbabwe

RAIS Robert Mugabe amesema chama chake hakitalegeza msimamo wa kuzikata kampuni zinazomilikiwa na watu wa nje kuachia hisa kubwa kwa wazawa. Akizungumza na wafuasi wake wakati wa mazishi ya ofisa mmoja wa serikali, Mugabe alisema chama cha Zanu PF kitakahikisha kikasimamia na kulinda uchumi wa watu weusi ikiwa ni sehemu ya kupigania mabadiliko. "Kwa hiyo tunasema ni lazima tuchukue nchi yetu, washirika wetu, raia wa nje ambao wanataka kufanya kazi na sisi lazima wakubali kuwa chini. Sisi ni washirika wakubwa na siyo tena wadogo kama ilivyo siku zote," alisisitiza.

Aliwakaribisha wote wanaotaka kufanya kazi na kuwekeza ndani ya Zimbabwe na kusisitiza kuwa ni lazima wakubali masharti hayo. Alielezea kushangazwa na hatua za nchi za Magharibi ambazo zimekuwa zikiweka vikwazo Zimbabwe bila sababu za msingi. "Vitisho vya vikwazo vimekuwa vikiwaogopesha na kuwatia wasiwasi wawekezaji wa nje, lakini raslimali ya nchi hii kwa kiasi kikubwa lazima zimilikiwe na wazawa," alisisitiza. Alisema serikali yake haiogopi kutangaza mipango yake hadharani na mara zote atakuwa muwazi na mkweli. " Uingereza na Marekani hii ni nchi yetu tuna haki na raslimali na kunazishika wenyewe sasa," alisema. Katika kipindi cha nyuma, Mugabe aliwanyang'anya ardhi wakulima wa kizungu na kugawa ardhi kwa raia weusi wa nchi hiyo hatua ambayo ilisababisha wawekewe vikwazo vya kiuchumi​

 

[Igembe Nsabo]

Nasema umiliki wa ardhi miaka 99 NO,sera iwe ardhi ibakie kwa wazalendo na wao wawekeza kupitia mgongo wa mtanzania(mmiliki),iwe kijiji au mtu binafsi,tukiwapa kwa miaka 99 tumeuza ardhi yenye rutuba kwa wahindi nasema tena NO NO NO.hii si biashara nzuri kwa watanzania,hiyo 40% ndio itufanye kuuza ardhi yetu hapana jamani.

Unachosema uko sahihi kabisa! lakini je hawa watu wanafahamu hilo?? au wanashirikishwa katika haya maamuzi au yanafanyika hapa hapa Dar es Salaam then wao wanapelekewa tu kama maamuzi ya vikao vya Wizara???. Hatuwezi kuendelea kwa mtindo huu!
Nilikuwa naambiwa kuwa ardhi kuanzia kiasi fulani (0-50hekta) maamuzi yake yanafanyika kijijini, na kiasi fulani (50-500hekta) yanafanyika wilayani, na Zaidi ya hapo yanafanyika Wizarani au Rais ndio mwenye mamalaka ya kutoa hiyo ardhi kwa Kampuni yoyote ile ya Nje kama Rais. Mwenye Ardhi ambae ndie anaitumia hata kama ni kidogo alitakiwa ashirikishwe ili nae awe na maamuzi na si kuamuliwa.

 

[Mahesabu]

HABARI NILIYOIPENDA MPAKA IKANIBIDI NICHUKUE PICHA YA "MHISHIMIWA" na iwe AVATAR YANGU

 

[salas.za]

Global change:We are the ActionAid International 2011 Global Change Students in Tanzania and we are a mixed group of 17 young Activists from 7 different countries i.e Kenya, Denmark, Tanzania, Nigeria, Sierra leone, Zambia and South Africa all with a common interest: To make a difference by seeing a HUNGER FREE World but focusing first on land grabbing in Tanzania.
The global change students went to Mavuji village at Kilwa district to investigate the effects of land grabbing by a foreign bio-shape company ,this video tells a brief of the case study:

[video]http://youtu.be/OgAy1tV178U[/video]


On the 21st May (Saturday) the global changer's will be having a Don't sell our future public debate with some NGO's and politicians about land grabbing in Tanzania at the University of Dar es Salaam/UDBS building B.106,you are more than welcome to join us on that day.You can follow us on facebook

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