Oneni mitanzania ilivyo mijinga

[Safari_ni_Safari]

MWANDISHI WA MAKALA HII HAPA CHINI NI PROFESSOR WA HISTORIA CHUO KIKUU CHA NAIROBI...NIMEPENDA SANA MAKALA YAKE IMENIKUMBUSHA JINSI SISI TULIVYO WAJINGA...KWA NINI WATANZANIA TUSIIGE MFANO WA WATU WA KENYA? BADALA WATU WAANGALIE MAMBO YA MSINGI WANAKALIA KUSEMA KUCHAKACHUA, KUCHAKACHUA HIVI MITANZANIA KWANINI MIJINGA??? SOMENI


Daily Nation: - Opinion |Tanzanians waking up from long slumber

Umeingia kwa moto wa kipapara....mbona unaogopa kuiweka hiyo artcile yako wazi bali umeweka link tu?....unajua JK PhD yake ya kwanza ya mezani ni ya Choo Kikuu Gani?...unajua autobiography yake ilandikwa na Profesa?...unajua kuwa Mzee wa Akudo ni Profesa?

Mimi nakuchambulia hiyo makala yako sasa


By WILLIAM OCHIENG

Posted Monday, January 24 2011 at 19:28


Over the years, Tanzanians have regarded Kenyans as a crazy lot (when was this). A quiet, peaceful and united people, to them, Kenya's historic noises across the border and Kenya's impudent corruption and alleged inhumanity, explain their disquiet within the East African Community and also why they joined the Southern Africa's economic community.Indeed, Tanzania's Julius Nyerere once described Kenya as a "man-eat-man society".(is it not correct and true).


I am a Kenyan by default as most of my clansmen and women are Tanzanians. My paternal grandfather and grandmother are buried in Musoma. But my father acquired a wife in Yimbo and stayed on, so I was born Kenyan, but every time I visit my family in Musoma, they always ask me: Why do Kenyans behave the way they do?(anything wrong with asking this?) I once explained to them that the difference between Kenyans and Tanzanians could only be explained historically, by the fact that Kenyans are socially more developed, that our White settler economy heightened our political and social aggressiveness.(what astupid comment)


I further told them that our competition with the White settlers, Indians and Arabs led the race for extensive education, for land greediness and for political bickering, and that even after the White settlers had gone, the spirit for competitiveness and jostling has continued.

I told them that in a little while, with expanded education and social growth, Tanzanians will fall in line and behave just like Kenyans.

Some agreed with my analysis, although they hoped that as they developed their path would be different, would be humane and would be less cantankerous.


Indeed, our post-2007 civil strife simply confirmed to them that Kenyans are a loony crowd. Well, their turn has arrived. In less than six months since their last general elections, Tanzanians are demonstrating against "stolen elections". They want a new and more democratic constitution. They have just realised that behind their slumber, some of their leaders have been doing bad things, and the other day in Arusha, five Tanzanians were killed and 60 injured as regional police fired into a demonstrating crowd.The protests were over the Arusha mayoral elections, which have been disputed by the opposition party, Chadema.(so the loony Professor wanted us to just smile?)

Earlier, demonstrations in Dar es Salaam over the quest for a new constitution were also dispersed by police.


Fortunately, the Tanzanian Head of State, Mr Jakaya Kikwete, is a cool and considerate gentleman, unlike most African leaders. He has already indicated his willingness to appoint a constitutional commission. But the democratic train, being ridden by the radicals, the Zanzibari secessionists, the tribalists and wranglers, has just left the station, and must be contained, without police bullets.


Even more important, time for singing the old socialist lullaby is over and Tanzanians must learn to live with a rattling and discordant capitalist tune.It is equally important for Tanzanians to quickly learn that Kenyans are with them and that together, we can make East Africa a very pleasant place to live in.Together we must push the East African Community forward, in order to expand the benefits of our region, for ourselves, our children and our progeny.


Prof Ochieng teaches History (I hope it is the Luo Hstory he is teaching) at Maseno University.

 

[Son of Alaska]

It is time we tanzanians called a spade,a spade denying and sweeping the truth under the carpet will never get us to the promised land.

 

[eliakeem]

MWANDISHI WA MAKALA HII HAPA CHINI NI PROFESSOR WA HISTORIA CHUO KIKUU CHA NAIROBI...NIMEPENDA SANA MAKALA YAKE IMENIKUMBUSHA JINSI SISI TULIVYO WAJINGA...KWA NINI WATANZANIA TUSIIGE MFANO WA WATU WA KENYA? BADALA WATU WAANGALIE MAMBO YA MSINGI WANAKALIA KUSEMA KUCHAKACHUA, KUCHAKACHUA HIVI MITANZANIA KWANINI MIJINGA??? SOMENI


Daily Nation: - Opinion |Tanzanians waking up from long slumber

wewe kamemba, kwa hiyo umeona kenya ndiyo mfano bora wa kuiga. Pole sana mwanachama.
Tafuta post za kipindi kilichopita kuhusu watani wetu wa jadi.
Kwa kifupi Kayagila Hatuna cha kuiga wala kujifunza toka kenya. tafadhali rejea post za nyuma utaona ninacho maanisha!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[X-PASTER]

MWANDISHI WA MAKALA HII HAPA CHINI NI PROFESSOR WA HISTORIA CHUO KIKUU CHA NAIROBI...NIMEPENDA SANA MAKALA YAKE IMENIKUMBUSHA JINSI SISI TULIVYO WAJINGA...KWA NINI WATANZANIA TUSIIGE MFANO WA WATU WA KENYA? BADALA WATU WAANGALIE MAMBO YA MSINGI WANAKALIA KUSEMA KUCHAKACHUA, KUCHAKACHUA HIVI MITANZANIA KWANINI MIJINGA??? SOMENI


Daily Nation: - Opinion |Tanzanians waking up from long slumber

Hiyo ni adabu ya chadema ya kweli...

Binafsi sioni kama kamtukana mtu yeyote. Hii ni analysis nzuri tu na imekuwepo muda mrefu. Tatizo kubwa la jamii ya Tanzania kushindwa kuwa na fukuto la kisiasa ni kukosa mfukuto wa harakati dhidi ya migongano (contadictions) zilizokuwa zinajitokeza. Ndio maana kwa muda mrefu Watanzania wamekuwa wakiridhika na hali za maisha yao bila kuwa na sehemu ya kuanzia harakati hizo.

Yatupasa sisi wachangiaji au waandishi wa kwenye haya mabaraza ya kwenye mitandao kuwa makini sana na kile tunacho kiwakilisha kutoka kwenye mawazo yetu na matendo yetu ya kila siku.

Hadhira ya kwenye mitandao inaweza kutushangaa na kutuona kuwa tumedumaa kimawazo kiasi ya kwamba tunashindwa kutafakali kwenye uhalisia wa hali halisi ya maisha yetu ya kila siku... Hapa nina maana kuwa mwandishi anaweza asione hali halisi ya maisha yake kiujumla, akaangalia kile anachokipenda yeye binafsi kwa kuwa tu, jamii inayo mzunguka imemtengeneza yeye aonekane kama ni liwazo la ngono, ulamali na starehe za muda au ufisadi au imani za kidini na itikadi za kichama.

Jamii zetu zina matatizo mengi yanayoikabili, matatizo ambayo kila kukicha yanaongezeka na kukosa utatuzi yakinifu. Maadili machafu ni machafu kama vile mwili mchafu usababisha harufu mbaya na kuwakera walio jilani nawe, hivyo hivyo tabia mbaya ukera na kuathiri jamii inayo kuzunguka.Kutoka: Matamanio Yetu (Falsafa Binafsi) Jamii Intelligence

Hapana shaka yoyote kwamba binadamu hawezi kujitenga na jamii, akakata uhusiano wake na wanadamu wenzake, na akajiweka kando peke yake. Kwa sababu binadamu ni kiumbe mwenye kuhitajia, na mahitaji yake hayana kikomo. Kwa hivyo, kufuatana na kanuni ya kimaumbile na haja, ni lazima maisha ya mtu yategemee jamii ili kwa ushirikiano na wanajamii wenzake aweze kuyatatua matatizo ya maisha moja baada ya jingine. Kwa upande mwingine, maisha ya kijamii yana masharti yake ya kila aina. Mara tu mtu anapotia mguu wake katika uwanja wa jamii, sheria na shuruti huja pia.

Hutokeza nyadhifa na desturi ambazo kwazo huleta mafanikio kwa kutekelezwa kwake kwa ukamilifu. Maisha ya kijamii ambayo ni miongoni mwa misingi athirifu katika kujenga shakhsia ya mtu, hayastahili kukomea katika mazingira ya kifizikia. Yanapaswa maingiliano yawe yanatokana na ufungamano wa nafsi, na ushirikiano na uhusiano wa kidhahiri uwe unalingana na hali ya kiroho. Jamii inapokuwa na moyo wa umoja, uhusiano kati ya watu hufungamana imara na huwa ni muhali kuharibika maisha ya masikilizano.

Miongoni mwa majukumu yetu ya kimsingi katika ulimwengu wa maingiliano ni kuwa na moyo wa kusahau na kusamehe makosa na mabaya ya watu wengine. Kudumu kwa uhusiano kati ya watu kunahitajia kuvumiliana sana. Tufikishe jumbe zetu kwa hali ya heshima na Hekima, bila hivyo vitu viwili, matokeo yake ni ugomvi usio na mwamuzi.

Pitia hapa ili tupate kujitambua.

 

[ngoko]

Umeniwahi Michelle. The man has only been considerate kwa wezi wa EPA ... 'warudishe'; wala rushwa ... 'nawawajua nawapa muda wajirekibishe' etc. Ila kwa wananchi, haiwezekani kusomesha bure; simenti haiwezi kushuka, na kwa kejeli anasema kelele za mlango hazimzuii .... Malizieni.

Pia Wauza Unga majina anayo .. bila action.

 

[Drifter]

Kabisa,ndo ingekuwa international endorsement yake na kwenye mabango Prof na maneno yake cool, gentleman and considerate yangewekwa!

Unamjua. Imenichukua muda kumuona huyu muungwana kwamba anafanya mambo yake kama robot. Nimemsikiliza akiendelea kuongea kama ilivyokuwa wakati wa kampeni jinsi serikali yake ilivyo na mipango ya kuimarisha huduma mbalimbali za kiuchumi na kijamii huku akitumia ishara za mikono, kama vile anasema ukweli wenye uhakika, nikaishia kumsikitikia sana. Nikakumbuka Makamba alivyosema huu ni mtaji mkubwa wa chama. Nachoweza kusema ni kuwa huyu ameshajijengea kipaji cha kuwaaminisha wananchi mambo mazuri ambayo hana mpango wa kuyasimamia. Amejitengenezea taswira ya utulivu na tabasamu ilhali anaongea uongo! Ni kama ugonjwa wa aina fulani hivi. Ananikumbusha yule msemaji wa Saddam Hussein aliyeshikilia kuelezea ushindi huku nchi ikibomolewa na askari wa marekani.

 

[comred]

huyo profesa haya mambo ya tz yanamhusu nn? kwa nn asiende kuwapa ushauri wakenya wenzake kuhusu huyo kibaki wao.......... Tena nina waswas kuwa hata huyu alishrika kumpa JK u dk feki....

mkolon nakuunga mkono huyu prof..nimnafic hajui lazma 2yajadili maswala yanayo kwamisha maswala yamsng..thn2yatafanya hayo yamsing..

 

[SHERRIF ARPAIO]

mkolon nakuunga mkono huyu prof..nimnafic hajui lazma 2yajadili maswala yanayo kwamisha maswala yamsng..thn2yatafanya hayo yamsing..

Ya watanzania atuachie wenyewe. We are getting there!

 

[TIMING]

''Fortunately, the Tanzanian Head of State, Mr Jakaya Kikwete, is a cool and considerate gentleman, unlike most African leaders. He has already indicated his willingness to appoint a constitutional commission''.

Ha ha ha ha ha,nakubali mi naweza kuwa mjinga ila kwa sentensi hiyo hapo juu,huyu Prof.hamfahamu vizuri JK,anaweza kuwa kama sisi tuliomuona cool,gentlemen and considerate tukampa kura.......he is the opposite Prof.

Ila tunashukuru kwa analysis nzuri sana!!

thanks Michelle... hapo professor kachemsha... hawajui wabongo na usanii wa kikwete

 

[Baba_Enock]

MWANDISHI WA MAKALA HII HAPA CHINI NI PROFESSOR WA HISTORIA CHUO KIKUU CHA NAIROBI...NIMEPENDA SANA MAKALA YAKE IMENIKUMBUSHA JINSI SISI TULIVYO WAJINGA...KWA NINI WATANZANIA TUSIIGE MFANO WA WATU WA KENYA? BADALA WATU WAANGALIE MAMBO YA MSINGI WANAKALIA KUSEMA KUCHAKACHUA, KUCHAKACHUA HIVI MITANZANIA KWANINI MIJINGA??? SOMENI


Daily Nation: - Opinion |Tanzanians waking up from long slumber

Hakuna jipya hapo - Huyo msomi article yake naona imesimama "kisomi" - Copy & Paste at its best!

 

[Vipaji]

MWANDISHI WA MAKALA HII HAPA CHINI NI PROFESSOR WA HISTORIA CHUO KIKUU CHA NAIROBI...NIMEPENDA SANA MAKALA YAKE IMENIKUMBUSHA JINSI SISI TULIVYO WAJINGA...KWA NINI WATANZANIA TUSIIGE MFANO WA WATU WA KENYA? BADALA WATU WAANGALIE MAMBO YA MSINGI WANAKALIA KUSEMA KUCHAKACHUA, KUCHAKACHUA HIVI MITANZANIA KWANINI MIJINGA??? SOMENI

Daily Nation: - Opinion |Tanzanians waking up from long slumber

Nadhani hujasoma vizuri hii Article nadhani kichwa ungeandika wewe ulivyomjinga

 

[Candid Scope]

I further told them that our competition with the White settlers, Indians and Arabs led the race for extensive education, for land greediness and for political bickering, and that even after the White settlers had gone, the spirit for competitiveness and jostling has continued.


Hawa mafisadi papa na wanasiasa uchwara wanaopora haki zetu na mali zetu hawatatulia sasa hadi kieleweke, maana nguvu ya umma inazidisha kasi.

 

[Albert Msando]

Prof, the words radicals, zanzibar secessionists, tribalists and wranglers.....leave a lot of questions as to the intended meaning and his perception of the movement that is gaining ground in Tanzania. I comfortably feel he is throwing dust on us!

His folks are in Musoma and these are the only people he has been talking to while crafting his political thoughts about Tanzania. That is a Professor!

We are alone in this, we do not need and will never need Kenya or Uganda's backing in bringing changes in our country.

We never helped them change why offer us help? Because they want us in EAC faster than we are ready?

Prof, just leave us alone. The cool and considerate man will dine with you when next in Nairobi or you will soon receive a call to fly over for dinner and chat with the cool guy!

You have made your point and see, you are now known and famous for your stupidity cum intelligence!

 

[Ndinani]

Huyu prof. anadanganyika na appearance ya Kikwete; the guy is a first class thief conniving with international mafiosi to steal from his poor people!! Kikwete is a fraudster.

 

[limited]

Kabisa,ndo ingekuwa international endorsement yake na kwenye mabango Prof na maneno yake cool, gentleman and considerate yangewekwa!

wamesahau moja tu and true conman

 

[Mwalimu Mkuu]

HAKUNA lolote la maana alililoongea huyo profesa kwa watanzania, anahamasisha tu shirikisho la afrika mashariki kwa maslahi ya kenya, amenyimwa ardhi huko kwao sasa anaona unafuu wake wa kuwa na kipande cha ardhi ni kwa uhai wa shirikisho na mtu pekee wa kufanikisha hilo ukianangalia kwa heads of states in the region ni huyo kikwete! kwa nini asimsifu kujikomba. toa takataka hapa!!

 

[MpendaTz]

Prof, the words radicals, zanzibar secessionists, tribalists and wranglers.....leave a lot of questions as to the intended meaning and his perception of the movement that is gaining ground in Tanzania. I comfortably feel he is throwing dust on us!

His folks are in Musoma and these are the only people he has been talking to while crafting his political thoughts about Tanzania. That is a Professor!

We are alone in this, we do not need and will never need Kenya or Uganda's backing in bringing changes in our country.

We never helped them change why offer us help? Because they want us in EAC faster than we are ready?

Prof, just leave us alone. The cool and considerate man will dine with you when next in Nairobi or you will soon receive a call to fly over for dinner and chat with the cool guy!

You have made your point and see, you are now known and famous for your stupidity cum intelligence!

Mkuu ungeondoa hiyo sentence ya mwisho nilikuwa nigonge Thanks yangu!
What I also notice in his article is again fastracking EAC to benefit themselves. If he is a truly learned Professor teaching history, he should be challenged to write an article concerning the first EAC, reasons that led to its dearth and what were the lessons learned by Kenyans, Ugandans and Tanzanians separately and then collectively. Who benefitted most from the previous EAC and why??

 

[Semilong]

"But the democratic train, being ridden by the radicals, the Zanzibari secessionists, the tribalists and wranglers, has just left the station, and must be contained, without police bullets."

sawa nakubaliana naye kwamba polisi wasitumie risasi, lakini sidhani kama nakubaliana naye hapo kwenye rangi nyekundu. ama haelewi vizuri kinachoendelea au alikusudia kututukana!

mbona mi naona hiyo kwenye red iko sawa

i dont agree with the title "Oneni mitanzania ilivyo mijinga"

 

[Paw]

Thread ina contents makini lakini heading haipendezi wala kuendana na whole thread. Tena inawatukana Watanzania which is violating JF rules and regulations.

Thread itabakia closed for 24 hrs ili mtoa hoja (ameshatumiwa PM) apendekeze new heading. Zaidi ya muda huo itaondolewa kabisa. Tunawajibika kulinda hadhi ya Mtanzania na member yeyote wa JF. Wachangiaji jitahidini kuonesha utu na hekima ktk posts zenu.

 

[Horseshoe Arch]

Nimeliona tokea kwanza....kwa uungwana nikafikiri mweka maada ataligundua!....kwamba tu wajinga si hoja,lakini wazi wazi hivi..embu fanya jambo! Naamini bado una busara! ni utelezi tu wa fikra!...in addition inafaa kuomba radhi wa waliokuelewa tofauti na intention yako!..sijasema waliokuelewa vibaya hapa nieleweke!