No longer a marketplace of ideas; it’s an echo chamber!

[rearden]

Basi kwenye huu uzi kila mwana JF atajifanya anajua kiingereza

 

[ISIS]

Basi kwenye huu uzi kila mwanangu JF atajifanya anajua kiingereza

Duh kibao kimegeuka walahi
Kaaazi kweli kweli
Kwani kingereza ni PESA?

 

[Tychob]

Yaani mmewaona chadema tuu ? Watu wa kijani na Hali zao za kutetea kila kitu pasipo hata kufikiri hamzioni , ? Nyakati ndo hufanya mambo yote kuwa hivi na kipindi hiki nacho kitapita Kama vipindi vya Jf miaka hiyoo

 

[ISIS]

JF has a plenty of these facebook type of young menand women. Childish thinking is deep in their heads. They think that cursing can bring anything of value into any ongoing debate.

Attack my ideas and views and not running onto my personality. These millennial's fellows got to be sent back to the drawing board and be taught about importance of forums like JF to our society.

A typical male chauvinist, gender issue ime spring wapi walahi

 

[Lecheminduroi]

Kuna siku nakumbuka ilishawahi letwa mada ya namna hii, mkuu ulipinga ulisema huoni utofauti wa Jf ya kipindi hicho na saizi mi nkakucheki harafu nikasema hiii!


Hii Jf sio iliyonivutia mpaka nikaamua niwe na utambulisho wangu rasmi...


Kiranga nilisoma post yako ya kwanza ya utambulisho nikabaki najiuliza watu kama nyie mbona mnajificha chimbo sana, hamuanzishi thread wengi wenu mmebaki wasomaji nilijiuliza kwanini lakini post yako ya kwanza humu jukwaani ilinipa jibu sahihi bila kupepesa

 

[Companero]

Today’s JF is no longer a marketplace of ideas.

Dogo, nilifungua fasta nikijua unaongelea our hallowed Nkrumah Hall!

 

[Lyamber]

So every anti-magufuli individual is a Pro Chadema, why would an old baboon think like that? If he is not one of those Hypocritical Being...

 

[double R]

JF has a plenty of these facebook type of young menand women. Childish thinking is deep in their heads. They think that cursing can bring anything of value into any ongoing debate.

Attack my ideas and views and not running onto my personality. These millennial's fellows got to be sent back to the drawing board and be taught about importance of forums like JF to our society.

For record, non of women has a case of cursing incident. They are men. Women have other interests not in this political drama.

 

[Gagnija]

Unamaanisha ‘harambee’?

Watu wenyewe ndio hao, unategemea nini toka kwao?! Eti wanaotualibia!

 

[Kiranga]

I think I’d be correct to think that most of us relish wallowing in nostalgia.

Apropos to JamiiForums, we like to talk about how things were back in the day [you pick the year...2006, 2007, 2008, etc].

We talk about how deep, passionate, and meaningful discussions were in those days as opposed to today’s.

I’ve thought long and hard about this and I think there’s truth to it.

Today’s JF is no longer a marketplace of ideas.

Rather, it’s an echo chamber full of deranged anti-Magufuli CHADEMA fanboys who are uber-intolerant of others’ points of views which are different from theirs. They are very puerile!

No wonder why these days JF lacks those types of discussions and many of the old-time discussants are not active anymore.

Bash Magufuli and praise any of the CHADEMA snollygosters, you are a genius the likes of which we’ve never seen before.

Say something nice about Magufuli, you are the worst person in the history of existence!

Hahahaaaa these people are comical.

Those with a burgeoning inferiority complex should stop here, there is a lot of what looks like unadulterated condescension and ubiquitous, gratuitous and conspicuous flossing below.

JF is still diverse, although it is suffering from "the tragedy of the commons syndrome" due to the great unwashed gaining internet access recently.

You can't increase internet access, without simultaneously and reciprocally increasing levels of education, and expect the level of discussion to flourish.

This is not a JF issue by the way, this is a societal issue. Our standards are falling. From common decorum to rhetorical finesse.

Even the president himself is an example of this entropy like decline.We had presidents who were presidential, even when the nation was troubled by a plethora of ailments.

The trouble with Magufuli is, even when he is doing the right thing, he is doing the right thing in the wrong way!

A few days ago, he was lecturing the business community that the government is capable of buying all the cashewnuts and using soldiers and military lorries/ storage. Even if one were to give him the benefit of the doubt and throw the basic principles of free trade aside, citing national security and national interest, Magufuli actually said - in his buffoonlike dramatic way- that he would have the soldiers crack the nutshells using the mouth. Now to him this was probably dramatic, but someone taking him literally could run with that and write a headline "Tanzania contemplating using soldiers to crack cashewnuts shells by mouth".

The next thing you know, Tanzanian cashewnuts are falling in price at the world market.

Why such a cavalier hyperbole was necessary is beyond me.


I am of two minds regarding Jamiiforums. One is to dismiss it as a platform that, while it has its jewels in terms of quality people, it also has -I am sorry to say- more than its fair share of the great unwashed who could barely read with comprehension. I am often inclined to ignore these. But my combative nature sometimes gets the better of me. When I have time I point out their logical non sequitur, the deus ex machina, the circular logic, the a priori fallacy, the cognitive dissonance, the self defeating arguments, et cetera, et cetera.

I tell them about their lack of context and understanding of history.

My philosophical Jiu-Jitsu moves are becoming rather repetitive, because I do not find engaging minds to elevate the discussion to the next level I dare say, at the risk of sounding condescending.

I am often reduced to school teaching, to people who read like they have never been to school or educate themselves privately at a very basic, first principle level.

I mention they should study Hegelian dialectics, Einstein's Relativity, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, Wave Particle Duality, The Double Slit experiment, Godel's Incompleteness Theorems and many concepts that will help them understand nature better.

If I sound like I'm flossing, it is only because I am teaching good hygiene.

Alas, English is such a barrier. And most of these concepts are unavailable in the Swahili literature.

Then sometimes I totally ignore JF and read my books and Quora.

How can I elevate myself If all I do is deal with a bunch of country bumpkins who I can't refer to a Bertrand Russell book, because (most of them) can't read in English?

If you can follow me, this is obviously not intended to mean you. And before someone objects and say we should be just as proud of Swahili, I would say there is none prouder. I recognize Swahili is the better language, structurally, grammatically, logically and phonetically. Much better than English. But it lacks the volume of literature English has.

I hate to be condescending. But I hate to not recognize facts as facts more than I hate to sound condescending.

Sometimes my Buddhism readings (mostly from the past) ignite compassion in me. Even for fools.

I remember the concept of the difference between a Bodhisattva and a Buddha - from a purely secular/ instructional fable/ myth point of view, not religious.

The Buddhists have a hierarchy of merits -for lack of a better word- which ultimately ends in one becoming a Buddha and ending in Nirvana/ heaven, far removed from the cycle of life and death.

Now, when one reaches the merit level of being a Buddha and escaping from this world, one is presented with a choice. To become a Buddha and escape to Nirvana/ heaven with no direct contact with the great unwashed masses of people, or to remain with the great unwashed as a Bodhisattva, face all the dirt of life, but also help a lot of people attaining enlightenment.

I don't claim to have such merits, but I think I face a similar challenge many a time.

The question becomes, should I concentrate on my learning and personal growth (Buddha, far removed from the great unwashed of JF) or should I toil inside "the tragedy of the commons" that, with increased internet access nowadays, every country bumpkin, ignoble imbecile and nagging nincompoop is a sudden expert on every subject on every internet platform.

I find an alternating balance.

When not busy I could be found engaging all kinds of fucktards, including those who want to show me 1=2 by using division by zero like Zurri, something I disproved 28 years ago at Tambaza while reading Dr. Asimov in firm one. I was 13 at the time.

When I am busy with my work, reading, watching my documentaries or movies etc, I just switch the temptation to engage off.

How can I learn new things to engage elevated minds (like some found in this very JF, there are very fine people no doubt, a minority), if I am always dealing with some birdbrained wannabe "Defender of the Faith" from JF?

I am reminded of one Winston Churchill quote.

It goes.

"You will never reach your destination if you stop and throw stones at every dog that barks at you".

Lecheminduroi

 

[Allen Kilewella]

Nyani Ngabu Asubuhi nilikuuliza siku hizi umekuwaje, ukajibu kwamba uko vile vile na uliye huru katika fikra zako.

Kwanza utofuati si kutokana na vijana wadogo wala wafuasi wa CHADEMA, bali ni mabadiliko mbali mbali yanayotokea kwenye jamii yetu. Enzi za JF unayoisema kulikuwa na mambo ambayo kwa sasa hayako tena kwenye zama hizi.

Hebu fikiria wakati ule wa mijadala ya Kagoda, Tangold pamoja na Meremeta. Enzi zile nyaraka mbali mbali ziliwekwa hapa JF, hebu tuambie kama zama hizi inawezekana kuweka nyaraka za serikali na JF ikaendelea kubaki hewani?

Enzi zile watu hawakuwa na uchungu kwa kuwa chungu zao zilisemwa na wanasiasa wa upinzani kwenye mikutano yao ya kisiasa, na kila lugha ilitumiwa kwenye mikutano hiyo. Sasa hivi watu wanaona ni heri chungu zao wakazitoa humu kwani ni salama zaidi kuliko nje ya hapa.

Ili kuwa na mijadala ya kama zamani ni lazima iwe rahisi pia kama zama zile kuweka ushahidi ambao watu watakuwa wanaujadili. Kwa mfano leo watu wanauliza zilipo Trilioni 1.5 ama ujenzi wa vitu mbali mbali unaofanyika Chato lakini hakuna ushahidi. Unawezaje kuwepo ushahidi kama kila kitu ni uhalifu?

CCM imejifunza kwamba uhuru ule uliotolewa na JK ndiyo almanusura uwatoe mwaka 2015 na ndiyo ulioongeza wabunge wa upinzani bungeni.

 

[nyabhingi]

i am not surprised of your hate on chadema supporters, they can easily see the b!*ch in you

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Dogo, nilifungua fasta nikijua unaongelea our hallowed Nkrumah Hall!

I miss that place man.

Ntaenda na UDASA nikanywe Safari.

Hopefully ntakutana na ‘familiar’ faces.

 

[Phillipo Bukililo]

For record, non of women has a case of cursing incident. They are men. Women have other interests not in this political drama.

Apologies tendered, young irresponsible men are the ones downgrading the importance of this respectable forum.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Tutabaki kukumbukia hizo siku...

Nyakati zimebadilika ukisema ukweli we ni adui na ukisema kinyume wanakufanya rafiki...

Mashaka,wasiwasi,hofu na jamii ya hizo ndizo zilizotuzunguka zama hizi

Safi sana Muree.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Nyani Ngabu Asubuhi nilikuuliza siku hizi umekuwaje, ukajibu kwamba uko vile vile na uliye huru katika fikra zako.

Kwanza utofuati si kutokana na vijana wadogo wala wafuasi wa CHADEMA, bali ni mabadiliko mbali mbali yanayotokea kwenye jamii yetu. Enzi za JF unayoisema kulikuwa na mambo ambayo kwa sasa hayako tena kwenye zama hizi.

Hebu fikiria wakati ule wa mijadala ya Kagoda, Tangold pamoja na Meremeta. Enzi zile nyaraka mbali mbali ziliwekwa hapa JF, hebu tuambie kama zama hizi inawezekana kuweka nyaraka za serikali na JF ikaendelea kubaki hewani?

Enzi zile watu hawakuwa na uchungu kwa kuwa chungu zao zilisemwa na wanasiasa wa upinzani kwenye mikutano yao ya kisiasa, na kila lugha ilitumiwa kwenye mikutano hiyo. Sasa hivi watu wanaona ni heri chungu zao wakazitoa humu kwani ni salama zaidi kuliko nje ya hapa.

Ili kuwa na mijadala ya kama zamani ni lazima iwe rahisi pia kama zama zile kuweka ushahidi ambao watu watakuwa wanaujadili. Kwa mfano leo watu wanauliza zilipo Trilioni 1.5 ama ujenzi wa vitu mbali mbali unaofanyika Chato lakini hakuna ushahidi. Unawezaje kuwepo ushahidi kama kila kitu ni uhalifu?

CCM imejifunza kwamba uhuru ule uliotolewa na JK ndiyo almanusura uwatoe mwaka 2015 na ndiyo ulioongeza wabunge wa upinzani bungeni.

Kwa sasa ni vigumu sana kuwa na mijadala ya maana kama ilivyokuwa zamani.

Tumegawanyika mno na watu hawana interest na mijadala ya maana.

Wako interested na kutukanana tu.

 

[Allen Kilewella]

Tumegawanyika mno na watu hawana interest na mijadala ya maana.

Mijadala ni kama bei ya bidhaa. Kuna watu hawawezi kuingia Serena Hotel kunywa soda kutokana na bei yake, kama mijadala ikipandishwa na kufikia kiwango kikubwa hao "wajinga" watakaa mbali nayo.

Kule kwenye ubishani wako wewe na Nguruvi3 kuhusu siasa za Marekani umeona watu wengi wanachangia? Lakini pia tukubali kwamba tunaweza kujadiliana bila ya kuvuka mipaka ya kuheshimu utu wetu.

 

[Retired]

I think I’d be correct to think that most of us relish wallowing in nostalgia.

Apropos to JamiiForums, we like to talk about how things were back in the day [you pick the year...2006, 2007, 2008, etc].

We talk about how deep, passionate, and meaningful discussions were in those days as opposed to today’s.

I’ve thought long and hard about this and I think there’s truth to it.

Today’s JF is no longer a marketplace of ideas.

Rather, it’s an echo chamber full of deranged anti-Magufuli CHADEMA fanboys who are uber-intolerant of others’ points of views which are different from theirs. They are very puerile!

No wonder why these days JF lacks those types of discussions and many of the old-time discussants are not active anymore.

Bash Magufuli and praise any of the CHADEMA snollygosters, you are a genius the likes of which we’ve never seen before.

Say something nice about Magufuli, you are the worst person in the history of existence!

Hahahaaaa these people are comical.

Rubbish thread from an immigrant in the US

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Mijadala ni kama bei ya bidhaa. Kuna watu hawawezi kuingia Sheraton kunywa soda kutokana na bei yake, kama mijadala ikipandishwa na kufikia kiwango kikubwa hao "wajinga" watakaa mbali nayo.

Kule kwenye ubishani wako wewe na Nguruvi3 kuhusu siasa za Marekani umeona watu wengi wanachangia? Lakini pia tukubali kwamba tunaweza kujadiliana bila ya kuvuka mipaka ya kuheshimu utu wetu.

Umesema kweli kwa kiasi kikubwa tu.

Kule ni nadra kukuta wajinga wajinga wakileta ujinga ujinga wao.

Na umenikumbusha, ngoja niende nikachangamshe ubongo wa Nguruvi3.

Huwa nafurahi sana kujadiliana naye.

Na sasa kuna mengi ya kujadili hususan kuhusu US midterm elections.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Rubbish thread from an immigrant in the US

You are proving my point [perhaps] without even knowing it!