Njama za kuimega Sudan

Njama za kuimega Sudan

na wewe uko ktk jihadi kama ndugu zako?

Every sensible Jews knows Muslims protected them for 50 generations while they were being prosecuted by Christians or forced to abandon their religion.

Jihadi unavyodhani wewe na waliokupotoa ukidhani ni vita tu.Kujitetea na kujilinda dhini ya uonevu na dhulma ndio bila kudhulum haki za wengine.Pia Kuna vita nyingi kama vita ya kuuondoa ujinga umaskini so kusoma kuondoa ujinga ni Jihad pia. Ndio maana nikasema tuwe wasomi tufahamu tunaongea nini na sio kutumia hisia tu au utakuwa ni mijadala ya kipuuzi.Jihadi ni Juhudi. Hata kwa mtu kufanya kazi kulisha watoto wake chakula halali bila kudhulumu mali ya mwingine, kuiba au rushwa pia ni jihadi. Sijui umefahamu kidogo?
 
Every sensible Jews knows Muslims protected them for 50 generations while they were being prosecuted by Christians or forced to abandon their religion.
You are ignorant of history!

Jihadi unavyodhani wewe na waliokupotoa ukidhani ni vita tu.Kujitetea na kujilinda dhini ya uonevu na dhulma ndio bila kudhulum haki za wengine.Pia Kuna vita nyingi kama vita ya kuuondoa ujinga umaskini so kusoma kuondoa ujinga ni Jihad pia. Ndio maana nikasema tuwe wasomi tufahamu tunaongea nini na sio kutumia hisia tu au utakuwa ni mijadala ya kipuuzi.Jihadi ni Juhudi. Hata kwa mtu kufanya kazi kulisha watoto wake chakula halali bila kudhulumu mali ya mwingine, kuiba au rushwa pia ni jihadi. Sijui umefahamu kidogo?
You don't know jihad. Go back and read your Koran again. Read the news of all bloodshed and lies done in the name of jihad!

As admission letter have done, I am signing off this thread!
the thread where many are so blind in their faith that they cannot discuss anything meaningfully! :redfaces:
 
You are ignorant of history!


You don't know jihad. Go back and read your Koran again. Read the news of all bloodshed and lies done in the name of jihad!

As admission letter have done, I am signing off this thread!
the thread where many are so blind in their faith that they cannot discuss anything meaningfully! :redfaces:


I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB -TAKE TIME OUT TO READ AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ AND UNDERSTAND.
READ BIBLE DONT JUST CARRY IT ON SHOULDERS EVERY SUNDAYS AND THEN READ KORAN GET RIGHT TRANSLATIONS AND UNDERSTANDING FROM LEARNED PERSONS. AS NOBODY WHO EVER READ WITH OPEN MIND AND GETS TO UNDERSTANDS FULLY STAYS A MINUTE WITHOUT CONVERTING AND YOU WILL EVEN SEE YOU FACE BECOMING LIGHTER AND SHINING!.
{DONT JUST LISTEN TO PADRE SONGS AND DRINK WINE TO MEAN BLOOD AND EAT A PIECE OF BREAD TO MEAN EATING FLESH! - what makes you accept to drink blood and eating and fresh every Sunday?}
 
Nyerere kawafunga Waislamu kibao TZ. Mikoa yote ya kusini haina maendeleo kwa sababu ya Ubaguzi wa Nyerere kwa Waislamu. Kama Sudan wakiweza kujitenga basi mpango maalum uandaliwe ili TZ ijitenge pia. Waislamu wamechoka kuonewa na Wakristo.
baada ya nyerere mkapa wa huko kusini katawala miaka kumi, mwinyi mwislamu miaka kumi sasa kikwete karibu in short Nyerere miaka 23, wengine 26 bado hakuna maendeleo, jiulize kulikoni kuliko kumshambulia mzee wa watu
PUMZIKA KWA AMANI JULIUS KAMBARAGE NYERERE NA TUTAKUKUMBUKA DAIMA
 
Kama ikiwezakana kuigawa Sudan, basi na sisi TZ inabidi tugawane nchi. Waislam wachukue chao, Wakristo wachukue chao. Maanake Waislamu, wanaonewa TZ.
Ikiwa hivyo waliooana itakuwaje? Madhara yatakuwa zaidi ya unavyodhani
 
Kuhusu kujitenga ikiwa itakuwa kwa hiyari sawa,lakini elewa kuwa watakaojitenga hatimae watajutia uamuzi wao.Fitna itawaandama na watakumbuka umoja wa Sudan.Nyinyi hapa JF udini ndio unaowatesa,munadhani kwamba Sudan ya kusini wengi ni wakristo,sio hivyo.
Kwa kawaida wakristo popote pale duniani ni watu wabinafsi sana na wenye kujitukuza kwa kila jambo.
Ikiwa mafuta ndiyo yanayotumika kuwatenganisha wasudan hatimae yatawatia kwenye utumwa mwengine ambao utakuwa mbaya zaidi.Watatungiwa fitna za koo na kupiganishwa kama wasomali na waarabu wa mashariki ya kati.
Wewe hushangai kuwa taifa tajiri lenye rasilimali ya mafuta kama Iraq eti wanadaiwa na makampuni ya kimarekani mpaka juhudi zinafanywa ili kuwasamehe madeni!.Si upuuzi huo.

sasa wewe kinachokuuma ni nini? kama fitina si itawaandamana wao? kama watakumbuka umoja wa sudan si ni wao? Kinakuhusu nini?
 
sasa wewe kinachokuuma ni nini? kama fitina si itawaandamana wao? kama watakumbuka umoja wa sudan si ni wao? Kinakuhusu nini?
Fikra niliyoitoa hapo juu wewe ndio umeitolea ushahidi.
Yaani wewe yanayowakuta watu wa Sudan hayakuhusu.Ikiwa ni hivyo hiyo michango yako ya nyuma ina maana gani?.
 
Nafikiri wewe huijui vizuri historia ya sudan ni kweli waafrika wanabaguliwa na waharamu,na itakuwa jambo jema kwa sudan ya kusini ikijitenga!

Wewe ndio zaidi.Itakuwa unaongozwa na chuki na ubaguzi.Ukweli halisi hata huna haja kuujuwa.

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Hebu soma ukweli kutoka huku Sudan kwenyewe
 
Every sensible Jews knows Muslims protected them for 50 generations while they were being prosecuted by Christians or forced to abandon their religion.

Hujui unachoongea wewe nyamaza Kimye. It is strange that people do not want to talk about Millions of Jews who were expelled and slaughtered in Arab countries. in the same way Middle East Media is keeping quite to Killings done by Arabs to Black Africans in Sudan.
For your Information, Muslim will never protect any body who is not Muslim, They will not befriend anybody who is not Muslim. Doing so will be going against Quran which is categorically against being friends with Christians and Jews (Quran 5:51). Moha-MAD himself went further by butchering about 800 Jewish Tribe!!! And here you are saying that Muslims Protected the Jews!!!!!
 
Nyerere kawafunga Waislamu kibao TZ. Mikoa yote ya kusini haina maendeleo kwa sababu ya Ubaguzi wa Nyerere kwa Waislamu. Kama Sudan wakiweza kujitenga basi mpango maalum uandaliwe ili TZ ijitenge pia. Waislamu wamechoka kuonewa na Wakristo.
Mnadhani mkijitenga ni nani atakaye athirika zaidi????
Kinachowafanya musiendelee ni uvivu wenu wa kufikiri. Hamna haja ya kuntafuta Mchawi kwa sababu sababu ya kutoendelea kwenu ni ninyi wenyewe, Hamna wa kumlaumu.
Nyie Endeleeni kuacha kuwekeza katika Elimu yenu na ya watoto wenu musubiri miujiza miujiza ya maendeleo.
Sijui mutaamka lini, Acheni Kulia lia changamkeni, Anzisheni Shule, Somesheni watoto wenu kuwapatia Elimu itakayowasaidia katika maisha, Acheni uvivu kukaa vibarazani kutwa kucha mkijadili mambo ya watu, hapo mtafanikiwa.
 
Ami Unachotaka tukikubali na tukiamini ni hiki
Waarabu ni kama malaika.
Waarabu ni wema saaana.
Waarabu ni watu wa amani.
Waarabu hawamtendei mtu yeyote baya.
Waarabu hawana uwezo wa kutendea mabaya binadamu.
Waarabu wana upendo usio na mipaka.
Waarabu wanathamini utu wa watu wote.
Waarabu hawana maslahi binafsi.
Waarabu wanathamini utu wa Mwafrika.
Waarabu wanawatakia mema waafrika wote.
Kuambatana na Waarabu ndio msingi wa Maendeleo.

Ni makosa kujitenga na umoja na waarabu.

Lazima tuwaelewe na tuwakubali na tuwapende waarabu, na hata wanapotukosea tuwanyamazie na tuendelee kuwavumilia na kunyenyekea.

Asante kwa somo lako. Ila somo hilo si rahisi kueleweka hata kinadharia tu kama mtu una akili.
 
Every sensible Jews knows Muslims protected them for 50 generations while they were being prosecuted by Christians or forced to abandon their religion.

Jihadi unavyodhani wewe na waliokupotoa ukidhani ni vita tu.Kujitetea na kujilinda dhini ya uonevu na dhulma ndio bila kudhulum haki za wengine.Pia Kuna vita nyingi kama vita ya kuuondoa ujinga umaskini so kusoma kuondoa ujinga ni Jihad pia. Ndio maana nikasema tuwe wasomi tufahamu tunaongea nini na sio kutumia hisia tu au utakuwa ni mijadala ya kipuuzi.Jihadi ni Juhudi. Hata kwa mtu kufanya kazi kulisha watoto wake chakula halali bila kudhulumu mali ya mwingine, kuiba au rushwa pia ni jihadi. Sijui umefahamu kidogo?


Kwa nini leo Saudi Arabia hamna Jews na walikuwepo wakati wa mtume? Au ndio dini zaidi ya moja haziwezi kuwapo kwa wakati mmoja Arabia kama Koran inavyosema?
 
Ami Unachotaka tukikubali na tukiamini ni hiki
Waarabu ni kama malaika.
Waarabu ni wema saaana.
Waarabu ni watu wa amani.
Waarabu hawamtendei mtu yeyote baya.
Waarabu hawana uwezo wa kutendea mabaya binadamu.
Waarabu wana upendo usio na mipaka.
Waarabu wanathamini utu wa watu wote.
Waarabu hawana maslahi binafsi.
Waarabu wanathamini utu wa Mwafrika.
Waarabu wanawatakia mema waafrika wote.
Kuambatana na Waarabu ndio msingi wa Maendeleo.

Ni makosa kujitenga na umoja na waarabu.

Lazima tuwaelewe na tuwakubali na tuwapende waarabu, na hata wanapotukosea tuwanyamazie na tuendelee kuwavumilia na kunyenyekea.

Asante kwa somo lako. Ila somo hilo si rahisi kueleweka hata kinadharia tu kama mtu una akili.

Hapana!.Hayo yote uliyoandika siyo madhumuni yangu.Mimi kinachoniuma ni uongo kuwadhuru watu.
Sababu ya kuwa mkali na kusimamia ukweli ni kwa vile mimi ni shahidi kuliko wengi wenu humu jinsi uongo unavyowadhuru watu wasiohusika.Nimegundua kuwa uongo Tanzania umesimamiwa na serikali na kuwadhuru mamilioni ya watanzania wasio na hatia.Uongo unaposimamiwa kama sheria na mtu mwenye madaraka ni mbaya sana na lazima upigwe vita.
Mimi siwezi kukaa kimya kuona uongo wa ukabila na ubaguzi wa rangi unatumika kuigawa Sudan.Kama umesoma hiyo link kwenye post yangu iliyopita utaona kuwa wachangiaji wengi humu pamoja na wewe mumesema uongo mwingi na kuutetea.Wasudan wenye asili ya kusini wenyewe hawako tayari kuhama kaskazini kurudi kusini.Wengine wanapokea fedha ambazo sijui chanzo chake ni wapi wanazopewa ili warudi kusini kupiga kura kujitenga.Baadae hurudi kaskazini kendelea na maisha.Sababu moja wapo wanasema wana vitega uchumi vyao na watoto wao wengi wako mashule na vyuoni huko kaskazini,hivyo kurudi kusini kutayumbisha maisha yao.Sasa nyinyi munaposema wanabaguliwa na waarabu si ni uongo tu na hadithi.
 
Ami! hakika umejitahidi, lakini hapana kazi ngumu kama kumfundisha kipofu wa moyo. Moyo ukishaingia kiza ni kazi sana kiza kile kuondoka. Siwashangai wala hawanichukizi wale wanaopinga maendeleo ama kuukataa ukweli, kwani wengi wao ukweli moyoni mwao wanaujua ila kwa ujahili wao wanabisha ili kuwafurahisha wengine. Vivyo basi hujikuta watu hao wakitumika kwa manufaa ya wengine; Kichekesho ambacho mi hukiona ni kuhusu hiyo SUDAN wengi wa WATANZANIA na nchi nyinginezo hawaujui ukweli wa SUDAN, Wakaazi wengi wa Sudan ya kusini kabila kubwa ni Wanubi na jamii yake, na pia kuna makabila mengi madogo madogo kama waacholi, walugwara n.k. Kinyume na wanubi ambao wengi wao ni waislamu hayo makabila mengine wengi wao hawana dini. kanisa lilifanya jitihada toka miaka ya 1800 ili wabadilike lakini ilishindikana kutokana na mazingira ya kuhama-hama na vita zisizoisha baina ya koo tofauti na makabila. Lakini cha ajabu ukisikia wanasema WAKRISTO WENGI KUSINI MWA SUDAN!! Wakombolewe kutoka kwa WAARABU WAISLAMU wa KASKAZINI... Hii ni ajabu na kinyume na ukweli wenyewe. iko siku watakapomaliza kuigawa kitakachofuata ni VITA MPYA! Sijui itakuwa ya ukombozi mpya? kidini au baina ya makabila au koo??? Kwa kifupi tusubirie SOMALI nyingine.... WAGAWE UWATAWALE... Waafrika bado wako usingizini :embarrassed:

Not True!

Most of Nubian lives in Northern Sudan and South of Egypt along the border of the two countries. Nubian had been Islamised since time immemorial such that its had to differentiate them from Arabs. In South Sudan most people are Dinka plus other few tribes who are Christian and Animist ...... Is there any Muslim population in the South? The answer is ablsoulte Yes, but they are minority about 10%. Do'nt try to cheat peolple here, go back and do your home work before you post.
 
Hujui unachoongea wewe nyamaza Kimye. It is strange that people do not want to talk about Millions of Jews who were expelled and slaughtered in Arab countries. in the same way Middle East Media is keeping quite to Killings done by Arabs to Black Africans in Sudan.
For your Information, Muslim will never protect any body who is not Muslim, They will not befriend anybody who is not Muslim. Doing so will be going against Quran which is categorically against being friends with Christians and Jews (Quran 5:51). Moha-MAD himself went further by butchering about 800 Jewish Tribe!!! And here you are saying that Muslims Protected the Jews!!!!!


Wewe October, labla nitumie kizungu MAANA UNASEME SEMA KIZUNGU . Huyu ATAKAYE KUJIBU si Mwafrika au Mwarabu bali myahudi anaesema! SASA LABDA UTATAFUTA ELIMU KIDOGO - MAANA NAONA NI MPAYUKO OVYO OVYO TU! SOMA KABLA HUJAJIBU OVYO


by Uri Avnery



September 27, 2006

Since the days when Roman Emperors threw Christians to the lions, the relations between the emperors and the heads of the church have undergone many changes.

Constantine the Great, who became Emperor in the year 306–exactly 1700 years ago–encouraged the practice of Christianity in the empire, which included Palestine . Centuries later, the church split into an Eastern (Orthodox) and a Western (Catholic) part. In the West, the Bishop of Rome, who acquired the title of Pope, demanded that the Emperor accept his superiority.

The struggle between the Emperors and the Popes played a central role in European history and divided the peoples. It knew ups and downs. Some Emperors dismissed or expelled a Pope, some Popes dismissed or excommunicated an Emperor. One of the Emperors, Henry IV, “walked to Canossa ,” standing for three days barefoot in the snow in front of the Pope’s castle, until the Pope deigned to annul his excommunication.

But there were times when Emperors and Popes lived in peace with each other. We are witnessing such a period today. Between the present Pope, Benedict XVI, and the present Emperor, George Bush II, there exists a wonderful harmony. Last week’s speech by the Pope, which aroused a world-wide storm, went well with Bush’s crusade against “Islamofascism,” in the context of the “Clash of Civilizations.”

IN HIS lecture at a German university, the 265th Pope described what he sees as a huge difference between Christianity and Islam: while Christianity is based on reason, Islam denies it. While Christians see the logic of God’s actions, Muslims deny that there is any such logic in the actions of Allah.

As a Jewish atheist, I do not intend to enter the fray of this debate. It is much beyond my humble abilities to understand the logic of the Pope. But I cannot overlook one passage, which concerns me too, as an Israeli living near the fault-line of this “war of civilizations.”

In order to prove the lack of reason in Islam, the Pope asserts that the prophet Muhammad ordered his followers to spread their religion by the sword. According to the Pope, that is unreasonable, because faith is born of the soul, not of the body. How can the sword influence the soul?

To support his case, the Pope quoted–of all people–a Byzantine Emperor, who belonged, of course, to the competing Eastern Church. At the end of the 14th Century, the Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus told of a debate he had–or so he said (its occurrence is in doubt)–with an unnamed Persian Muslim scholar. In the heat of the argument, the Emperor (according to himself) flung the following words at his adversary:

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”

These words give rise to three questions: (a) Why did the Emperor say them? (b) Are they true? (c) Why did the present Pope quote them?

WHEN MANUEL II wrote his treatise, he was the head of a dying empire. He assumed power in 1391, when only a few provinces of the once illustrious empire remained. These, too, were already under Turkish threat.

At that point in time, the Ottoman Turks had reached the banks of the Danube . They had conquered Bulgaria and the north of Greece , and had twice defeated relieving armies sent by Europe to save the Eastern Empire . On May 29, 1453 , only a few years after Manuel’s death, his capital, Constantinople (the present Istanbul ) fell to the Turks, putting an end to the Empire that had lasted for more than a thousand years.

During his reign, Manuel made the rounds of the capitals of Europe in an attempt to drum up support. He promised to reunite the church. There is no doubt that he wrote his religious treatise in order to incite the Christian countries against the Turks and convince them to start a new crusade. The aim was practical, theology was serving politics.

In this sense, the quote serves exactly the requirements of the present Emperor, George Bush II. He, too, wants to unite the Christian world against the mainly Muslim “Axis of Evil.” Moreover, the Turks are again knocking on the doors of Europe , this time peacefully. It is well known that the Pope supports the forces that object to the entry of Turkey into the European Union.

IS THERE any truth in Manuel’s argument?

The pope himself threw in a word of caution. As a serious and renowned theologian, he could not afford to falsify written texts. Therefore, he admitted that the Qur’an specifically forbade the spreading of the faith by force. He quoted the second Sura, verse 256 (strangely fallible, for a pope, he meant verse 257) which says: “There must be no coercion in matters of faith.”

How can one ignore such an unequivocal statement? The Pope simply argues that this commandment was laid down by the prophet when he was at the beginning of his career, still weak and powerless, but that later on he ordered the use of the sword in the service of the faith. Such an order does not exist in the Qur’an. True, Muhammad called for the use of the sword in his war against opposing tribes–Christian, Jewish and others–in Arabia , when he was building his state. But that was a political act, not a religious one; basically a fight for territory, not for the spreading of the faith.

Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” The treatment of other religions by Islam must be judged by a simple test: How did the Muslim rulers behave for more than a thousand years, when they had the power to “spread the faith by the sword”?

Well, they just did not.

For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece . Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian.

True, the Albanians did convert to Islam, and so did the Bosniaks. But nobody argues that they did this under duress. They adopted Islam in order to become favorites of the government and enjoy the fruits.

In 1099, the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim and Jewish inhabitants indiscriminately, in the name of the gentle Jesus. At that time, 400 years into the occupation of Palestine by the Muslims, Christians were still the majority in the country. Throughout this long period, no effort was made to impose Islam on them. Only after the expulsion of the Crusaders from the country, did the majority of the inhabitants start to adopt the Arabic language and the Muslim faith–and they were the forefathers of most of today’s Palestinians.

THERE IS no evidence whatsoever of any attempt to impose Islam on the Jews. As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the “spreading of the faith by the sword”?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave. And where did the hundreds of thousand of Jews, who refused to abandon their faith, escape? Almost all of them were received with open arms in the Muslim countries. The Sephardi (“Spanish”) Jews settled all over the Muslim world, from Morocco in the west to Iraq in the east, from Bulgaria (then part of the Ottoman Empire ) in the north to Sudan in the south. Nowhere were they persecuted. They knew nothing like the tortures of the Inquisition, the flames of the auto-da-fe, the pogroms, the terrible mass-expulsions that took place in almost all Christian countries, up to the Holocaust.

WHY? Because Islam expressly prohibited any persecution of the “peoples of the book.” In Islamic society, a special place was reserved for Jews and Christians. They did not enjoy completely equal rights, but almost. They had to pay a special poll-tax, but were exempted from military service–a trade-off that was quite welcome to many Jews. It has been said that Muslim rulers frowned upon any attempt to convert Jews to Islam even by gentle persuasion–because it entailed the loss of taxes.

Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for 50 generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times “by the sword” to get them to abandon their faith.

THE STORY about “spreading the faith by the sword” is an evil legend, one of the myths that grew up in Europe during the great wars against the Muslims–the reconquista of Spain by the Christians, the Crusades and the repulsion of the Turks, who almost conquered Vienna . I suspect that the German Pope, too, honestly believes in these fables. That means that the leader of the Catholic world, who is a Christian theologian in his own right, did not make the effort to study the history of other religions.

Why did he utter these words in public? And why now?

There is no escape from viewing them against the background of the new Crusade of Bush and his evangelist supporters, with his slogans of “Islamofascism” and the “Global War on Terrorism”–when “terrorism” has become a synonym for Muslims. For Bush’s handlers, this is a cynical attempt to justify the domination of the world’s oil resources. Not for the first time in history, a religious robe is spread to cover the nakedness of economic interests; not for the first time, a robbers’ expedition becomes a Crusade. The speech of the Pope blends into this effort. Who can foretell the dire consequences?
 
Jamani sasa Huku mambo si shwari mimi nipo huku Vita wakati wowote Rebel wa Darfur JEM na SLA/MM wamekwenda kuisaidia SUdan ya kusini kujitenga sasa hapa ni patam hii ndio hatua mojawapo ya kujitenga.
 
Waarabu wamewatesa Wasudani kusini muda mrefu wandugu, hapa dawa ni kujitenga toka kwa wafuasi dhalimu wa marehemu Muhammad! Tena huko Kusini kuna wese la kutosha, ya nini kupata taabu chini ya Waarabu?
 
Jamani sasa Huku mambo si shwari mimi nipo huku Vita wakati wowote Rebel wa Darfur JEM na SLA/MM wamekwenda kuisaidia SUdan ya kusini kujitenga sasa hapa ni patam hii ndio hatua mojawapo ya kujitenga.

Afadhali umeona kwa macho yako.
Sasa jaribu kupeleleza utwambie hao wote uliowataja wanapata wapi silaha na fedha za kujigharamia.
 
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