Nani ni mkali wa kimombo kati ya Nyerere, Mkapa, Kikwete na Slaa!

[malkiory]

Wewe uliyetoa mada hii huna tofauti na brek za mbuzi, kwa maana kiingereza ni luga tu kama luga nyingine, haina maana kuwa kuongea kiingezeza umesoma sana, tizama HU JIN TAO wa china hajui hata how are you lakini unaonaje mambo anavyoyapeleka? mpaka dunia inatingishika. acha ushamba na ujinga. na kama hujui maana ya breki za mbuzi waulize marafiki zako!

Kama kuna wajinga duniani basi nadhani wewe unaongoza. Aidha unafanya makusudi kuongelea mada ambayo sikuongelea au ufinyu wa uelewa wako ndiyo unakufanya uwe mnyonge/inferior hadi unakimbilia kutukana. Jifunza kuwa mstaarabu

 

[Uswe]

Some would say the premise of this thread is frivolous.

Ally Hassan Mwinyi spoke better Swahili than all, but that did not help him in being decisive.
Mkapa spoke English better than all but lacked charisma and couldn't give a live speech. His English did not help his integrity.
Nyerere was the most conversant, eloquent and capable live speaker and writer, but he still managed to butcher his Swahili.
Kikwete can't speak, can't write, can't think. In either Swahili or English. And doesn't have either integrity or a spine.

you've spoken my mind, except i think Nyerere spoke English better than Mkapa and the rest, Nyerere was the best in speaking and leading

 

[Hukumuzuku]

Kuna tofauti kubwa kati ya mifano yako miwili kujua kuzungumza katika kadamnasi na kujua lugha.

Kwenye Kadamnasi unazungumza na watu, na mara nyingi unacheza na maneno ambayo watu wanayo taka kusikia au kuzungumzia vitu ambavyo vinawakwaza hili uwa motivate, mobilize muwe na muono mmoja kwa manufaa ya wote au hata maslahi yako binafisi. Yeyote anaweza fanya hili unacho hitaji ni publicity first and you would get your audience.

Kujua Lugha ni kuweza kuyapanga maneno kwa kufuatilisha taratibu za lugha with a depth vocabulary. Na ni kitu ambacho journalist have to go through in their learning process au hata ma-lawyers have to acquire the skill hili waweze kujaribu ku-interpret meanings.

Ndio maana unaona mtu kama 'Tony Blair' used his language skills and persuasions skills has a lawyer to run the Labour Party almost like a conservative party for almost twelve years with little fuss from the core labour supporters that is the Unions.

Brilliant point!

 

[Anfaal]

Lakini original question haikusema inataka kufanya poverty alleviation, that's where people get the thread wrong.<br />
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It is automatically assumed, without merit, that the thread is about intelligence contest, poverty alleviation, economic advancement and many other grandiose illussions.<br />
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The original question simply asked about president's linguistic abilities. Watu washaanza ku form conclusions mia moja na moja.

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Kiranga unanifurahisha wewe uchagui dini wala chama, kama ni msumari popote tu unapelekwa. Nadhani wengi tungejifunza hili, kwanza nchi yetu huenda tungekuwa mbali zaidi

 

[Mshume Kiyate]

Hilo linafahamika lakini si yo hoja inayojadiliwa hapa

Linafahamika wapi? na wewe ndio mpanga hoja humu Jf? mbona unajipa majukumu sio yako, pungunza kufyatuka jaribu kuwa na akili Cognition unajifanya Mods

 

[NgumiJiwe]

Mkapa mnayemsifia ana Masters degree ya lugha ya Kiingereza kama sikosei.Kwahiyo Mkapa amesomea Kiingereza,ni msomi wa lugha ya Kiingereza.Sasa iweje apambanishwe katika ujuvi wa lugha ya Kiingereza na Kikwete aliyesomea uchumi au Slaa aliyesomea philosophy,theology na Sheria za Kanisa?

 

[Washawasha]

Kuwa jaji kwa kusikiliza mahojiano baina yao hapa: MNYONGE MNYONGENI LAKINI HAKI YAKE MPENI! (MNYONGE MNYONGENI LAKINI HAKI YAKE MPENI!)

Angemuweka na babu wa Loliondo. Lol

 

[X-PASTER]

Mi wote nawaona wanaongea Kiinglishi vizuri tu, na ndio maana viongozi na waandishi wa habari wa nchi za nje wanawaelewa.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Masalia ya athari za ukoloni yameota mizizi kwenye jamii zetu. Na tupende tusipende, kuna sehemu kubwa tu ya watu wanaohusisha ujuvi wa lugha ya Kiingereza na akili. Inasikitisha lakini ndiyo ukweli wenyewe huo.

 

[KakaJambazi]

you've spoken my mind, except i think Nyerere spoke English better than Mkapa and the rest, Nyerere was the best in speaking and leading

Ndo mana nasema huwezi kuwa bingwa wa vyote.

 

[Mwita Matteo]

Kiraka I liked the Clause " Without proper communication skills the message and core content is bound to be distorted." Where our Education system is leading us, we'll end being bogus in both-Communication skills and Content- Where most of Tanzanian students are not well acquainted in content, when it comes to CS it is a mess

 

[M-bongotz]

Mmh theread nyingine bwana...

 

[Jacobus]

NYERERE, baba wa Taifa MUNGU amlaze mahali pema peponi. AMEN.

 

[Magulumangu]

But the delivery can constitute the content.

Adolf Hitler had a despicable philosophy, no admirable content, but a fiery and charismatic delivery. His delivery became a big part of his content, he wooed the German people, the rest is history.

In the Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan presidential interview, Carter clearly had more of an intellectual rigor, but Reagan was clearly the better showman. In the end the people chose the showman over the intellectual.

While the fundaments of a leader's philosophy are of paramount importance, the communication skills are are important. Wwithout proper communication skills the message and core content is bound to be distorted.

Kwa red kaka mhhhh, na wasiwasi kwa Tz, Kikwete nae vipi?

 

[Rungu]

Masalia ya athari za ukoloni yameota mizizi kwenye jamii zetu. Na tupende tusipende, kuna sehemu kubwa tu ya watu wanaohusisha ujuvi wa lugha ya Kiingereza na akili. Inasikitisha lakini ndiyo ukweli wenyewe huo.

Hapo umenena. Wengi wetu bado tunahitaji kujivua magamba ya ukoloni mamboleo!:yawn:

 

[Cestus]

nimefraia sana comment za hii thread...watu wanajua ku challenge hoja kweli..iwe pumba au ya maana! Iwe hvo hata kwnye mambo ya maendeleo basi

 

[billz]

ur just a hater,

 

[Mjuni Lwambo]

Some would say the premise of this thread is frivolous.

Ally Hassan Mwinyi spoke better Swahili than all, but that did not help him in being decisive.
Mkapa spoke English better than all but lacked charisma and couldn't give a live speech. His English did not help his integrity.
Nyerere was the most conversant, eloquent and capable live speaker and writer, but he still managed to butcher his Swahili.
Kikwete can't speak, can't write, can't think. In either Swahili or English. And doesn't have either integrity or a spine.

Inasikitisha sana.

 

[boboo']

But the delivery can constitute the content.

Adolf Hitler had a despicable philosophy, no admirable content, but a fiery and charismatic delivery. His delivery became a big part of his content, he wooed the German people, the rest is history.

In the Jimmy Carter vs Ronald Reagan presidential interview, Carter clearly had more of an intellectual rigor, but Reagan was clearly the better showman. In the end the people chose the showman over the intellectual.

While the fundaments of a leader's philosophy are of paramount importance, the communication skills are are important. Wwithout proper communication skills the message and core content is bound to be distorted.

Umh ,well said kiranga

 

[mshana5]

English still a big problem to tzs