Mungu kwenye nyimbo ya Taifa WHY?


Invisible, lete hii kwenye upande wa dini tuishughulikie.

Kwataarifa yako, Mungu yupo na hana dini.



Hii inahusiana na sana na SIASA lakini kwa sababu mawa ma RELIGIOUS FANATICS/nut jobs wameshindwa kujibu hoja zetu wamelobby ihamishwe kwa sababu eti tunatia watu sumu!



hii thread tuko 2 tuu mimi na Pundit na hawa jamaa pamoja na mamluki wao hakuna hata mmoja aliyeweza kujibu hoja zetu straight and have demonstrated an ability to think for theirselves.

but what you guys have done is nothing but ability to mindlessly follow a herd.

one would have thought kuwepo kwenu JF mngeweza kupanua mawazo yenu lakini wapi!
 

The good thing about us is we are more 'skeptical'. With higher intelligence more often then not comes a natural urge to ask questions, to not simply accept the things as they are but to want to understand it. This often (and especially in church dominated times) leads to clashes with the religious establishment.


Kama umechunguza kwa makini utaona naturally inquisitive and skeptical people have a strong tendency to turn their backs to people who tell them to think as they are told and just accept without question (which is what a large part of religion is about unfortunately). It does not mean that these people are actively atheists, just that they don't take the teachings of churches for granted.


In other words: a priest claims something, he better backs it up.


In past times the search for answers on both scientific and religious questions more often then not took the same form. In modern days, these have become more separated and largely because of various churches refusing to accept the most well proven facts (in the past for instance the fact that the earth revolves around the sun, in modern days things like the age of the planet).


When religious people deny such things without even the slightest form of evidence other then a single source that has been orally copied hundreds of times before being written down and copied and translated countless times, these skeptical people turn away from those religious mainstreams.



So: are they religious? probably not, at least not active; do they believe in God? well, most honestly do not know, a few do not and many do. Basically just like the ordinary person.



The big difference is that they chose not to take their doubts to church and simply ignore the question since there is no definite answer and history told them to be wary of religion anyway (in past times, doctors got burned for claiming the blood flows).



Not to mention that it seems an acceptable means to convince people of 'your' religion by threatening, either by force or eternal damnation. Since various religions all claim that they are the only once being right, it still comes down to the individual chose and many of the so called intellectual elite just have not chosen who to believe and most are not easily persuaded to change their ideas because of a threat (in any form).



If religious people want to make believers out of those intellectuals they have beat them with agreements and by far most religious people don't have the ability and/or the patience to even try. In such situations these people tend to oppose whatever is threatening them and in the case of religion that attitude results in a form of atheism.



This however does not mean that more intelligent people are active atheists but much more that they have proposed the question and simply don't think about the existence of God. So with people who consider themselves atheists you need to ask the question of what they mean by that. There is a big difference between denying the existence of God and simply not assuming that God exists.



It is, in other words, not actual intelligence but more a natural urge to keep asking questions and remain skeptical and inquisitive. Those traits however do occur more in people as they are more intelligent.
 

you sound like a primary school prima Donna
 


Mjomba, its this simple: anyone with an IQ of 136 and believes the bible to be 100% true is certainly in the 3.3% this article refers to and also clearly dumb(sorry to be rude but 100%?).

there are so many logical fallacies in the bible let alone all the scientific fact that refutes remedial claims, let alone ones about virgin births and cosmic jewish zombies rising from the dead. do you also support stoning to death disobedient children and capital punishment for adulterers as Leviticus recommends?


that would be part of the 100%
 


Your retort and language shows that "GOD EXISTS".

Go back to your question, "MUNGU KWENYE NYIMBO YA TAIFA WHY?" I thought you wanted to know WHY there is a WORD 'MUNGU' kwenye wimbo wa Taifa?

I can see that you are petrified and terrified by the word "MUNGU".

Your frustrations, exasperations and turkey to know what you want, is more than a proof that GOD EXISTS, and the word MUNGU is not there by mistake kwenye nyimbo yenu ya taifa.

Do you still want to know why there is a word MUNGU kwenye nyimbo ya Taifa lenu?

 
Big Foot exists.....do you dispute that?

Khekhekheeeeee.....Nyani Mac si chochote? Come on dude......

Wuuuuuuusaaaaaaaaa....wuuuuuusaaaaaa......

here are two ways to become a non-believer in God.


One is to never have been indoctrinated. This is what is now seen in most of Europe and some other advanced nations (USA notwithstanding), where a whole generation is growing without the fear of God that so many of us remember from childhood.


The other way to become an atheist is through critical thinking. Even if one is subjected to religious indoctrination from early childhood, it is still possible for that person to grow out of it through rigorous observation, critical thinking and independent reasoning - something that we as a society value in all other areas of life with the exception of religious faith.


So is it really a surprise that people with higher IQs tend to believe in God in drastically smaller numbers - no. These are precisely the same people who are capable of exercising critical thinking for the most important question of all - what is the world really all about.


For those of you out there who haven't put religious teachings on a rigorous test of logic - try it. It is the most refreshing experience you'll ever embark on.
 


no. you can't prove what's not real.
 

I'm afraid I was unable to get past your fifth paragraph without deciding that you either hadn't got a clue what you were talking about, or you were deliberately spouting falsehoods (a problem of distinction I find with the vast majority of religious apologists - even the relatively intelligent ones).
 
sasa ngoja nikalale

nitakapo amka najua hawa na NUTJOBS watakuwa washaflood hii threads na innuendos zao nami nitawajibu vilivyo

one this is for sure, utaona kuwa kwenye hii thread tumeweza kuonyesha kuwa Athiests more intelligent than believers
 

These few paragraphs gonna haunt you!!
 


Matusi na kejeli zako hazina maana zaidi ya kuonyesha kuwa una upungufu wa kufikiria kama Marehemu Muhammad.

Your logic is defacto ad infinitum, inter-alia, lacks religious merits, and is unethical.

Wherefore, your reply and thread is still argumentum ad ignorantium and you are ipso facto. Furthermore, your argument is debunked with prejudice.

 
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Bogus argument. Argumentum ad ignorantium.

NAONA JAMAA ANAKIMBIA
 
relax Bible is just a story thats why utaona ipo ya Kijaluo, kuhindi, Kinge James version na kadhalika

BTW

Please provide some contemporary evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
Hujajibu swali langu GT.........JE UNAAMINI KUWA MUNGU YUPO?
 
....stupid bush na evangelicos naona wanataka kuturudisha dark ages na sitashangaa the downfall and destruction of America itatokea kwa hawa mafanatic xtian talaban...dini sucks!
 
Hujajibu swali langu GT.........JE UNAAMINI KUWA MUNGU YUPO?

.....hivi kuna mtu amewahi kumuona mungu katika history? hata stupid bush alituambia alianza vita baada ya kumuomba mungu kuwamaliza Baghdad na kuiba mafuta yao kwa jina la WMD!
 
Koba;308038[COLOR="Red" said:
]....stupid bush na evangelicos [/COLOR]naona wanataka kuturudisha dark ages na sitashangaa the downfall and destruction of America itatokea kwa hawa mafanatic xtian talaban...dini sucks!



Blah blah blah blah. Punguza jazba bana.

 
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.....hivi kuna mtu amewahi kumuona mungu katika history? hata stupid bush alituambia alianza vita baada ya kumuomba mungu kuwamaliza Baghdad na kuiba mafuta yao kwa jina la WMD!



Bogus argument. Argumentum ad ignorantium.


 
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