M23 to disarm if FDLR would be disbanded first

[August]

DRC's M23 rebels set conditions

2013-09-08 21:26

Kinshasa - The leader of the DRC's M23 rebel movement said on Sunday the group will disband only if another rebel group that is composed of ethnic Rwandan Hutu fighters is disarmed and Congolese refugees return home from neighbouring countries.

"We are ready to disarm but for these two conditions," Bertrand Bisimwa, the M23 president, told The Associated Press by phone.

He said the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, or FDLR, should be disarmed before M23 can be disbanded.

In the past Rwanda has justified military intervention in the DRC to protect itself from the FDLR, some of whose core members took part in the 1994 Rwanda genocide.

Bisimwa's comments came on the eve of renewed peace talks with the DRC's government in the Ugandan capital, Kampala.

The talks have repeatedly stalled since they started last December, and Congolese President Joseph Kabila said on Saturday that government troops were prepared to resume their offensive against the rebels if the talks failed.

The M23 rebel group, which briefly captured the eastern city of Goma last November, is made up of hundreds of former DRC soldiers mostly from the Tutsi ethnic group who deserted the national army last year after accusing the government of failing to honour the terms of a deal signed in March 2009.

The rebels are widely believed to be backed by the government of Rwanda, a charge Rwanda denies despite evidence presented by United Nations experts and Human Rights Watch.

In the recent fighting, however, Congolese troops were boosted by a special intervention brigade of UN troops who, unlike the other 17 000 peacekeepers stationed in the vast Central African nation, have a mandate to attack the rebels.

Bisimwa said that if M23 disbanded its fighters would have no interest in being integrated into the Congolese army.

"Nobody is interested in anything else," he said. "M23 will not be a political party. Each one will take care of his cabbages and carrots, because we are herders, farmers and merchants."

Lambert Mende, the Congolese government spokesperson, said on Sunday that Kabila's administration had no problem with the conditions set by M23, noting that the government has long been working for the return of refugees and considers the FDLR to be "a negative force just like M23".

Both conditions, however, would be difficult to meet, especially given the government's inability to stabilise Congo's volatile east.

 

[bona]

how does M23 demanded other group to disarm??? wao demand zao zinatakiwa ziwe dhidi ya serikali ya congo na si vikundi vingine!!!

 

[Truth Matters]

Sasa naamini hawa M23 ni misukule ya PK! Hii ni demand ni ya kinyarwanda zaidi kuliko kikongo!

 

[Lizaboni]

how does M23 demanded other group to disarm??? wao demand zao zinatakiwa ziwe dhidi ya serikali ya congo na si vikundi vingine!!!

Mkuu, ukiona hivyo ujue maji yamewafika shingoni. Nasema na WAPIGWE TU

 

[Lizaboni]

Sasa naamini hawa M23 ni misukule ya PK! Hii ni demand ni ya kinyarwanda zaidi kuliko kikongo!

Mkuu, kwa madai yao haya, ni wazi kuwa hawa M23 walikuwa wanatumika na Rwanda kuwaua wahutu ndani ya DRC kwa kigezo cha kuwasaka FDLR. ila walibugi pale walipotwaa miji ya SAKE na GOMA na kuyakalia

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Mkuu, kwa madai yao haya, ni wazi kuwa hawa M23 walikuwa wanatumika na Rwanda kuwaua wahutu ndani ya DRC kwa kigezo cha kuwasaka FDLR. ila walibugi pale walipotwaa miji ya SAKE na GOMA na kuyakalia

Kitu munacho hitaji kujua nikwamba FDLR wako against M23,na kumbuka most of M23 ni watusi tena wengi wao wako ukimbizini rwanda kutokana na mashambulizi toka FDLR,na wanachopigania ni usalama wao tu,na ndiomaana wamesema hawaitaji kujiunga na jeshi la kongo wala madaraka,wanacho hitaji ni usalama wa ndugu zao.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Mkuu, ukiona hivyo ujue maji yamewafika shingoni. Nasema na WAPIGWE TU

Mkuu hapo hakuna ukweli wowote kwani ninachojua congo hawana uwezo wa kuwadhibiti FDLR,kwani wanatumiwa katika hii vita dhidi ya M23 na congo,tz,south afrika na france,now kwakua hawataweza kutatua hilo kuna uwezekano wa vita kuendelea hawajamaa hawanahaja ya kusalimu amri bilakufikia lengo lao la usalama wa ndugu zao.

 

[Ferds]

how does M23 demanded other group to disarm??? wao demand zao zinatakiwa ziwe dhidi ya serikali ya congo na si vikundi vingine!!!

hapo ndipo ninapoamini kwamba hiyo ni vita na watusi na wahutu katika ardhi ya wakongo....cha msingi wakapiganie kwao tu.

 

[cheichei2010]

Kitu munacho hitaji kujua nikwamba FDLR wako against M23,na kumbuka most of M23 ni watusi tena wengi wao wako ukimbizini rwanda kutokana na mashambulizi toka FDLR,na wanachopigania ni usalama wao tu,na ndiomaana wamesema hawaitaji kujiunga na jeshi la kongo wala madaraka,wanacho hitaji ni usalama wa ndugu zao.

Hainiingii akilini Nchi inashikwa na Watutsi ,halafu then watutsi wanakua Ukimbizini DRC.Niliexpect wahutu ndio wawe ukimbizini kongo dhidi ya watutsi.Then dawa ni kuwapiga hawa M23,watutsi warudi kwao Rwanda,wakati utaratibu unafanyika wa namna ya kuwaondoa wahutu nao warudi kwao Rwanda,Then Congo ibaki ikijitegemea Kama nchi huru.Hiyo janja ya kulinda Rwanda ndani ya Congo Haitawezekana na haikubaliki duniani.Huwezi kujilinda kwa kuweka Kundi lako nchi nyingine,huo ni uvamizi."Mtapigwa tu"

 

[Atongwele]

M23 ni majinga kweli demand gani hizi kwani wao ni warwanda au wanadai kwa niaba ya warwanda.

 

[jMali]

how does M23 demanded other group to disarm??? wao demand zao zinatakiwa ziwe dhidi ya serikali ya congo na si vikundi vingine!!!

Ndio hapo sasa proving that M23 is actually an RPF creation. FDLR ina ugomvi na Rwanda sio Congo, sasa kwa nini waasi wa Congo wenye matatizo na Congo wawe interested na watu wa nchi jirani?

 

[August]

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[TD="colspan: 2"][h=1]UN Envoy Stresses Need to Tackle Impunity in DR Congo[/h]Monday, 9 September 2013, 10:36 am
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UN Envoy Stresses Need to Tackle Impunity in DR Congo
New York, Sep 7 2013 - A top United Nations official focusing on the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) has stressed the need to address impunity in the country, which has seen massive displacement over the past year along with pervasive violence and rights abuses.
"We will not repeat the past mistakes, we believe that there should not be amnesty for those accused of having committed serious crimes, nor should they be integrated in the armed forces of the DRC," the Special Envoy of the Secretary-General to the Great Lakes Region, Mary Robinson, told reporters in the eastern city of Goma on Friday.
"The international community represented here must contemplate a holistic approach of resolving this conflict, the military approach when necessary and the political approach that can yield a lasting and durable impact for the region."
Ms. Robinson was in Goma as part of a four-day tour of the region with the Secretary-General's Special Representative in the DRC, Martin Kobler. Boubacar Diarra, Special Representative of the African Union; Koen Vervaeke, European Union Senior Coordinator for the Great Lakes region; and Russ Feingold, US Special Envoy for the African Great Lakes region and the DRC are also taking part in the tour.
Mr. Kobler, who also heads the UN Organization Stabilization Mission in the DRC (MONUSCO), expressed satisfaction at the decision by Heads of State at the Kampala talks in Uganda on Wednesday, to include MONUSCO as a key player in the Joint Verification Mechanism (JVM), which monitors the common borders of the 11 members of the International Conference for the Great Lakes Region (ICGLR).



Mr. Kobler said this would enhance the mechanism's ability to verify and be able to ascertain facts expeditiously.
While in Goma, the envoys were briefed by MONUSCO's Force Intervention Brigade. They also met with the Governor of North Kivu province, visited the Mugunga camp for internally displaced persons (IDPs) on the outskirts of the city, and were briefed on humanitarian issues.
At the conclusion of the visit, they departed Goma for the Rwandan capital of Kigali.
The M23 -- composed of soldiers who mutinied from the DRC national army in April -- along with other armed groups, has clashed repeatedly with the DRC national forces (FARDC).
In the past year, the fighting has displaced more than 100,000 people, exacerbating an ongoing humanitarian crisis in the region which includes 2.6 million IDPs and 6.4 million in need of food and emergency aid.
For more details go to UN News Centre at United Nations News Centre
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[MUKAMASIMBA]

Ndio hapo sasa proving that M23 is actually an RPF creation. FDLR ina ugomvi na Rwanda sio Congo, sasa kwa nini waasi wa Congo wenye matatizo na Congo wawe interested na watu wa nchi jirani?

Amakweli kuna watu wasiojua tofauti ya kivu na rwanda,kivu kunaishi wa congo wenye asili ya rwanda na rwanda kuna wanyarwanda koo zote hutu natutsi,na kivu iliitwa congo baada ya kukatwa mipaka na familia za kinyarwanda kujikuta congo na kuitwa wakongoman,sasa baada ya mauaji ya kimbali hao wahutu wa rwanda walikimbilia congo na kuanza kuwaua watusi wa congo ndio wengi kukimbilia rwanda na vijana wao kushika silaha ili kudai haki yao,lakini tatizo serikali ya congo inashirikiana na hao wahutu kuwaua watusi ndio maana M23 inezaliwa na kulinda haki za wanyonge.

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

M23 ni majinga kweli demand gani hizi kwani wao ni warwanda au wanadai kwa niaba ya warwanda.

Wala sio wajinga,ni wewe usiye kua na uelewa wa mambo ya congo,hao watusi wakongo hawawezi kua na amani wajati FDLR iko ndani ya kivu kwani ni hao FDLR walianzisha mauaji ya watusi nchini congo,so inabidi FDLR waondolewe familia zao zirudi na ndipo wataweka silaha chini bilahivyo itapigwa mpaka kieleweke,kwahiyo watu wote wanaofikiria kwamba wataweka silaha chini kilahisi haitawezekana mpaka wahakikishiwe usalama wao nandugu zao,kingine M23 ndio wenye power ya ku negotiate kwani kijeshi wako juu kuzidi congo.

 

[upendo_20]

M23 is not a joke wapo fresh na wanajeshi sio lakuchezea

 

[Maswala]

M23 ni majinga kweli demand gani hizi kwani wao ni warwanda au wanadai kwa niaba ya warwanda.

Haswa jamaa ni wakaidi kweni. Wameamua kuonyesha wazi kuwa DRC wanawawinda Wahutu kwa niaba ya Rwanda. Halafu wanadai na kujiita Wakongo, wakati wanatumikia interest za Rwanda.

Hii ni sawa na uzi uliwekwa hapa JF wiki chache zilizopita ukisema kuwa Rwanda alizuia azimio la UN security council lilokuwa limeletwa na Marekani na Ufaransa kuwaongezea vikwazo viongozi wakuu wa M23.

Pia JWTZ imetaafu kupitia twitter @JW_TZ: "Vita imefika Def Con 003, ni ushindi wa 96%, Hii inatokana na kufanikiwa kukamata mateka 2602 ikiwemo maafisa wa juu wa 4 wa Jeshi la Rwanda"

Mambo yako dhahili sasa.

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[Ndahani]

how does M23 demanded other group to disarm??? wao demand zao zinatakiwa ziwe dhidi ya serikali ya congo na si vikundi vingine!!!

Ndio maana nashindwa kuelewa kwanini Rwanda wanawakataa hadharani kama M23 ni watu wao.

 

[Bongolander]

Amakweli kuna watu wasiojua tofauti ya kivu na rwanda,kivu kunaishi wa congo wenye asili ya rwanda na rwanda kuna wanyarwanda koo zote hutu natutsi,na kivu iliitwa congo baada ya kukatwa mipaka na familia za kinyarwanda kujikuta congo na kuitwa wakongoman,sasa baada ya mauaji ya kimbali hao wahutu wa rwanda walikimbilia congo na kuanza kuwaua watusi wa congo ndio wengi kukimbilia rwanda na vijana wao kushika silaha ili kudai haki yao,lakini tatizo serikali ya congo inashirikiana na hao wahutu kuwaua watusi ndio maana M23 inezaliwa na kulinda haki za wanyonge.

Mkuu hii inatufundisha sisi tusiojua vizuri swala hili, maana mpaka sasa ukiangalia unaweza kuona tunajua habari za juu juu kuhusu uhutu na utusi. Kitu ambacho kwa maoni yangu naona ni ujinga. Naunga mkono sana mawazo ya PK kuwaita watu wa Rwanda wanyarwandam huu ujinga wa uhutu na utusi unatakiwa kuondolewa.

Lakini kauli ya Bisimwa kidogo inachekesha sana na ni kama kofi kwa PK. Kuna uhusiano gani kati ya FDLR na mapambano ya M23 dhidi ya serikali, na kuna uhusiano gani na suala la wakimbizi? Where did all grievances they had against DRC government go? vanished in thin air?

Mkuu nataka kujua ni kwanini Interhamwe wanawaua watusi? ni kwanini walifanya hivyo Rwanda na wakaenda kufanya hivyo DRC?

 

[Nguruvi3]

Mkuu JokaKuu njoo huku.
Kila siku tunasema kuwa M23 haina madai yoyote halali dhidi ya DRC. Leo Bisimwa anathibitisha madai ya Kagame kuhusu FDLR. Kagame ameshawahi kuingia DRC kuwatafuta FDLR leo Bisimwa anasema naye na M23 wanawatafuta FDLR.

Huu ni ushhidi usio na shaka kwa menye akili kuwa Rwanda ndiyo M23 na M23 ni wing ya RPF.
Bisimwa ameitwa Kampala hana hoja sasa imebaki madai yasiyohusiana na mgogoro.

M23 ni matokeo ya wanajeshi wa Kitusi kunyimwa fursa katika jeshi la DRC. Ndipo walipoaamua March 23 kuunda kundi kupingana na serikali. Kumbuka hawa walikwenda DRC kidogo kidogo kama wakimbizi na wahamiaji haramu. Mwisho wa siku wamekuwa mwiba mkubwa.

Solution ya DRC ni kawatwanga M23hadi mtu wa mwisho halafu PK aonye na UN kuhusu ushiriki wake wa mauji haya.
Ni suala la muda tu PK ipo siku ataelekea the Hague. Akina Bisimwa watakuwa mashahidi. Ntaganda katangulia, Nkunda bado anakunywa mvinyo. This craps need be disciplined.

 

[aminiusiamini]

mtu anayeteta hao wahunibwa M 23 must be kagame's bitch or just mediocre.