Is God fair ?


Hujajibu swali.

Mungu anayejua yote (pamoja na hilo la kwamba mwanadamu atafanya mabaya kabla hajafanya hivyo) atahuzunikaje?

Kuhuzunika kunakuja baada ya kujua kitu ambacho hukukijua.

Huyu mungu kajua yote, hakuna kipya atakachokijua.

Anahuzunukaje?

Halafu, mungu anayejua nitafanya mabaya kabla sijazaliwa, na akijua hivyo aiwezi kubadili, utasemaje kanipa freewill?

Free will itatoka wapi ikiwa siwezi kubadili alichoona nitafanya kabla sijakifanya?
 
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1.Alikupa akili, mbona hujutii ( au unadai hajakupa za kutosha??
2.Amekupa WILL - mbona hujutii ukaona kama asingekupa?????
3.Au akili na WILL yako uliokota au ni genetics au evolution au ???????
4.Unapima uwezo wa Mungu kwa akili ya binadamu?? Unapima uwezo wa Mungu kwa msingi wa vile ambavyo ungetaka dunia na maisha yawe?
5. Probably you could give us your proposal or the model of How God SHOULD have been, Act or behave??
6. It is easy to criticize everything around us, just because we can 'think' but in real sense we are not bringing on the table any alternatives

Even the question of Fair and Just is impossible to validate without first ascertaining the source of it. Can we first discuss where is the idea of FAIR and JUST coming from??? Are we not assuming that there is an existence of the 'SOURCE' of Fair and Just??????
 

Mungu huyu katungwa na binadamu tu.
 
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We unadandia mambo tu..hadi sasa mmeshindwa kuthibitisha dai lenu la kupinga uwepo wa Mungu.

Nitathibitishaje kwamba kisichopo hakipo?

Unaweza kuthibitisha chumbani kwako hakuna kibatari cha dhahabu kisichoonekana kinaelea katikati?

Kinachothibitishwa ni kilichopo, si kisichopo.

Sasa wewe inayeaema mungu yupo inaweza kuthibitisha kwamba yupo?
 

Mungu anakupenda ndo maana anahuzunika. unajua kupenda wewe? mwanao akiumia si unahuzunika? Mungu ni zaidi ya mara elfu

alafu kusema eti kitu ukikijua kabla usihuzinike umeitoa wapi hiyo?

huwezi kubadili asili. you can exercise your free will to the extent that you will not contradict nature.
 

Yaani lijamaa wewe hufundishiki. umeshupalia upumbavu huku wajiona mjanja.
kama hoja ni kuwepo kwa Mungu achana na sifa zaMungu katika imani mbalimbali.
freewill na habari ya kuchomwa moto umeitoa wapi ?
Anazungumzia Mungu muumba wewe umechagua yule anayeadhibu kwa moto.
zungumzia uwepo wa Mungu muumba plz acha kurukaruka na mambo uliyokaririshwa...
 

Kuhuzunika kunatokana na kujua kitu kipya.

Dakika moja unajua mwanao mzima, inayofuata unajua anaumwa, unahuzunika.

Huyu mungu ambaye hakuna kipya kwake, maana kajua yote kabla hayajatokea, anatokaje kwenye furaha na kuanza kuhuzunika?

Ina maana hakujua kitakachokuja au vipi?

Anayejua yote anaanzia wapi kuhuzunika?

Kama huwezi kubadili asili, free will itatoka wapi? Free will ni uwezo wa kibadili. Wewe unasema mungu kaumba asili ambayo haiwezi kubadilishwa, sasa hapo free will ipo wapi?
 

...na kwa akili yako usichokiona wewe HAKIPO.vipo unavyoviona wewe tu.
kiwango chako cha upumbavu kiko juu mnoo...
yaani unakutana na mtu then unamwambia kwamba chumbani kwake kuna kibatari cha dhahabu kisichoonekana kinaelea katikati...
kwamba ni illusionist ni kukupa ujiko usio stahili.labda ni mwezi mchanga...
mifano yako imejaa majinga majinga na wala huoni soni.
unategemea ignore list imekupa kiburi cha kuandika majinga majinga...
Majinga majinga yenyewe ni :
kama unafahamu kutokuwepo kwa kibatari cha dhahabu kwa nini uulize au wewe ni chizi ?
wewe umesa chumbani kwangu "HAKUNA " then wataka uthibitishiwe hakuna yako. bogus

umeambiwa Mungu ndiye Muumbaji angalau kina pa kuanzia.
wewe unasema huyo ninayesema ni Muumbaji hayupo ! nakuuliza umejuwake hayupo ? Wakati mimi nafahamu yupo na amewahi kuja duniani akakanyaga ardhi akiitwa Yesu.
badala ya kuniambia namna ulivyomtafuta ukamkosa na ukahitimisha hayupo unabuni mfano uliojaa majinga majinga.

wewe jamaa mzigo kweli kweli...
cc Ishmael
 
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First thing first, wapi nimesema nisichokiona hakipo?
 
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what's wrong with u kiranga???? hivi unataka kuniambia kuwa kwa kuwa Mungu anajua kitakachotokea mbeleni afurahie tu? hapo upendo wake utakuwa wapi? Mungu wa kufurahia viumbe wake wapatapo tabu atakuwa Mungu kweli?

aliyekwambia kuhuzunika kunatokana na kujua kitu kipya ni nani? umeitoa wapi hii dhana?

rejea nilichokiandika...sijasema Mungu ameumba asili, nimesema Mungu ni asili na huwezi kwenda kinyume na asili in the name of exercising your free will.

naona narudia kitu kilekile now and then, you choose not to comprehend.you guys keep on asking the same questions mkijibiwa mnakimbia na kurudi tena with a twist of words.

you are all simply scared and the thought of God really scares you.
 

Ukijua kibaya kitatokea tangu mwanzo, utatokaje kwenye furaha na kuanza kuhuzunika hapo kinapotokea kama vile hukujua kitatokea?

Tena kujua kwenyewe ai kwa kibinadamu kama utabiri wa hali ya hewa, ni kujua kama mungu kisikokuwa na uwezekano wa kukosea.

Mungu anatokaje kwenye furaha na kuanza kuhuzunika kwa sababu wanadamu wamekosea wakati alijua yote hayo tangu mwanzo?

Na kwa nini mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote aumbe ulimwengu ambayo mabaya yanaweza kutokea wakati ana uwezo wa kuumba ulimwengu ambao mabaya hayawezi kutokea?

How can I be scared of something that you can't even prove is there?

Unaweza kuthibitisha mungu huyu yupo?

Anayemuogopa mungu hawezi kupinga uwepo wake, ataanzaje kupinga iwepo wa mungu wakati anamuogopa?

You got it twisted backwards.

Wewe unayesema mungu yupo bila kuweza kunielezea ndio unamuogopa, si mimi ninayekuuliza yupo vipi.
 
Hujaonyesha bado ni vipi nimesema nisichokiona hakipo.

...KISICHOONEKANA...sio lazima unachosema hakionekani iwe kweli hakionekani kwa kila mtu.na wakati wote na maxingira yote.
...kisichoonekana...kwako
 
...KISICHOONEKANA...sio lazima unachosema hakionekani iwe kweli hakionekani kwa kila mtu.na wakati wote na maxingira yote.
...kisichoonekana...kwako

That is neither here nor there.

Nipe maneno yangu yaliyokufanya useme nimesema kisichoonekana hakipo.

Inashangaza kusema kwamba mimi nimesema kisichoonekana hakipo wakati naomba uthibitisho kwamba mungu yupo kwa kutumia "logical consistency" ambayo haionekani.

Mtu anayesema "kisichoonekana hakipo" ataombaje uthibitisho wa uwepo wa mungu kwa kutumia "logical consistency" ambayo haionekani?

Kwa kusema hivyo tu (kwamba mimi nimesema kisichoonekana hakipo)na wewe umekosa logical consistency katika kunichambua ninavyofikiri.

Nisome tena.
 

Nafikir mungu hay ups
 

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