Hapo Mwanzo Palikuwa Na Nini?!...science Vs divinity

SMU said:

Kuamini kwamba mungu yupo ni suala jingine na kumwamini mungu ni suala jingine. Mtu anaweza kuamini kuna mungu lakini asimwamini huyo mungu (nadhani unakumbuka yule bwana aliyetumbukia majini kwa kushindwa kuamini kwamba anaweza kutembea juu ya maji!).

Nadhani wasiomwamini mungu ni wengi tu. Au ulikuwa unamaana ya watu wasioamini kwamba mungu yupo?

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Ha ha ha ha a........nimependa jinsi ulivyo chambua lugha kwa ufasaha...mpaka wengine wakakuita BAKITA...
Jamani JF ni kisiama cha maarifa,burudani etc...someni katikati ya mistari....kwa mfano..katika ukristu...kuna watu wanaamini yesu na kuna wanao amini mungu...na katika maandiko kuna mungu na yesu...ambaye ni mwana wa mungu.

Kwa mfano mie naamini walokole ni kundi waliopatwa na matatizo...au walio fanya mabaya sana katika ulimwengu huu sasa wanaenad tubu..na ku shuhudia katika yesu kuwa walipotea......na kuna wengine wanao amini kuwa walokele ndio walio mpoke yesu...samahani iime base kwenye ukristu...

Kang said:

I believe the theory of evolution is the most likely explanation.

And whether you believe in evolution or not, I don't understand this type of reasoning at all, just because you cant explain something it doesn't mean that a supernatural being "God" is responsible for it.
Throughout human history God has been used to explain a lot of things e.g the Sun rising and setting, the weather, disease etc but now we see that that was just ignorance. So why why make the jump from not knowing to "God did it", why not simply admit you don't know?

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Kang,

For the sake of this discussion, can you briefly point out what the theory evolution says about origin of Human being?

selemala said:

Kang,

For the sake of this discussion, can you briefly point out what the theory evolution says about origin of Human being?

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Sure, the theory of evolution says that Human beings of today gradually evolved from one generation to another. This process is pushed mostly by natural selection "survival of the fittest" whereby the organism with the most desirable genetics survives.

This is of course a terribly simplified explanation more details here
Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Evolution

Kang said:

Sijawahi kuona ushahidi uliosimama kivyake bila nguvu ya imani at least siwezi kukumbuka. Na maswali yangu hayajawahi kujibiwa kiukamilifu, zaidi ya "God works in mysterious ways" ambalo sioni kuwa ni jibu.

Sasa nitaamini vipi kitabu kimeshushwa na Mungu kama siamini kuwa kuna Mungu?
Vitabu vyote naviangalia kama maandishi ya watu wa kale, mengine ni mazuri na mengine yanaanyesha ignorance yao.

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God been nunc pro tanc in your defacto infirmus mentis does not ipso facto his victus.

Penuria and peruniosus is your mentis forsitan.

Kang said:

Sure, the theory of evolution says that Human beings of today gradually evolved from one generation to another. This process is pushed mostly by natural selection "survival of the fittest" whereby the organism with the most desirable genetics survives.

This is of course a terribly simplified explanation more details here
Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Evolution

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What was the first generation and where did it come from?

MaxShimba said:

God been nunc pro tanc in your defacto infirmus mentis does not ipso facto his victus.

Penuria and peruniosus is your mentis forsitan.

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Jamani hii ndo lugha gani! Mbona mmetuacha kwenye mataa au ndo kunena huko kwamba Mungu yupo?

MaxShimba said:

For those who don't believe that GOD does exist, I need watertight, tangible, and verifiables exibits to auxilium your defacto fides.

Kang, foward the above to support your defacto bardus, plumbeus reputo, and/or credo/arbitror.

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Kang na wenzake wote walishindwa kukujibu mwaka jana, don't expect them do any better this year.

Wana maneno matupu yasio na ushaidi.

Kaaaaaang, answer the above question please.

selemala said:

What was the first generation and where did it come from?

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Homo habilis I believe, came from Australopithecines.
Now please don't ask me what came before that! If you are trying to make a point just get to it already!!

If you really want to know then go here
Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kang said:

Homo habilis I believe, came from Australopithecines.
Now please don't ask me what came before that! If you are trying to make a point just get to it already!!

If you really want to know then go here
Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Kwanini tusikuulize where is Australopithecines from?
If x is a number, and is an integer, then before x we had x-1, x-2, x-3,...y; what is the value of y?. One may say infinity!! Is infinity an integer?

Ukianza kujiuliza evolution, unakuta inashindwa kusema the original of first generation: The answer is God. Alikuwepo, amekuwepo na atakuwepo.

Kang said:

Homo habilis I believe, came from Australopithecines.
Now please don't ask me what came before that! If you are trying to make a point just get to it already!!

If you really want to know then go here
Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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my point is, the wikipedia source you listed above, CONTAINS NO KNOWLEDGE OF the origin of Human being neither of where life came from.See bellow.

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Origin of life
For more details on this topic, see Abiogenesis and RNA world hypothesis.

The origin of life is a necessary precursor for biological evolution, but understanding that evolution occurred once organisms appeared and investigating how this happens does not depend on understanding exactly how life began.[157] The current scientific consensus is that the complex biochemistry that makes up life came from simpler chemical reactions, but it is unclear how this occurred.[158] Not much is certain about the earliest developments in life, the structure of the first living things, or the identity and nature of any last universal common ancestor or ancestral gene pool.[159][160] Consequently, there is no scientific consensus on how life began, but proposals include self-replicating molecules such as RNA,[161] and the assembly of simple cells.

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it seems you don't know the answer too. See bellow.


"Now please don't ask me what came before that!"


SO FAR, you can not explain where Human being origates from or
specifically where life came from, even after considering the theory of evolution.

To take you further, let us consider things that have not been claimed to evolve. e.g space, water,air, the fact that earth is floating in space, etc.

These things or facts must have been put/created/started/originated by a certain Source/Someone. Do you agree with this?

Mbalawata said:

Kwanini tusikuulize where is Australopithecines from?
If x is a number, and is an integer, then before x we had x-1, x-2, x-3,...y; what is the value of y?. One may say infinity!! Is infinity an integer?

Ukianza kujiuliza evolution, unakuta inashindwa kusema the original of first generation: The answer is God. Alikuwepo, amekuwepo na atakuwepo.

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Why is the answer God? What is the logic there?
Refer to my earlier post about just admitting you don't know!

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On this site you will find the unveiled forgeries of Darwinism and its effect on the societies. Darwinism seeks to construct a world where humans live and behave like animals. Social Darwinism's teachings and practices make this quite clear. According to its twisted views, it is perfectly acceptable for an elderly, needy person to be dragged out of his home and taken away to be killed; or for handicapped people to be rounded up and left to die in concentration camps. According to this distorted thinking, those in the “inferior" classes can be ruthlessly persecuted, exploited and eliminated. Those who believe that human society can progress only when these savage policies are implemented regard such slaughter, genocide, cruelty and ruthlessness as a kind of success. They maintain that individuals and societies indeed, entire cultures and nations unable to achieve that success, must be done away with.

For More Detail Click here: What Darwin Did Not Know

Mbalawata said:

Kwanini tusikuulize where is Australopithecines from?
If x is a number, and is an integer, then before x we had x-1, x-2, x-3,...y; what is the value of y?. One may say infinity!! Is infinity an integer?

Ukianza kujiuliza evolution, unakuta inashindwa kusema the original of first generation: The answer is God. Alikuwepo, amekuwepo na atakuwepo.

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Why is the answer God? What is the logic there?
Refer to my earlier post about just admitting you don't know!

JF ina matatizo?

Kang said:

Homo habilis I believe, came from Australopithecines.
Now please don't ask me what came before that! If you are trying to make a point just get to it already!!

If you really want to know then go here
Human evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Haahaha ahaha ahaha ahaha, kaaazi kweli kweli kufuata mkumbo. Kukopi na kupesti. lol.

Aunty Lao said:

Jamani hii ndo lugha gani! Mbona mmetuacha kwenye mataa au ndo kunena huko kwamba Mungu yupo?

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I think Kang has an answer.

MaxShimba said:

For those who don't believe that GOD does exist, I need watertight, tangible, and verifiables exibits to auxilium your defacto fides.

Kang, foward the above to support your defacto bardus, plumbeus reputo, and/or credo/arbitror.

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Lazima wakimbie.lol

MaxShimba said:

God been nunc pro tanc in your defacto infirmus mentis does not ipso facto his victus.

Penuria and peruniosus is your mentis forsitan.

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I think darwin was infirmus and forsitan mentis too.

Shy said:

mimi simwamini mungu na sina dini

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Sasa tunakuomba usikanyage tena kwenye ule ukumbi wetu wa dini na imani..

Sawasawa?