East Africa Should Let Tanzania Go...

[Geza Ulole]

Tanzania is the one that is slowly isolating itself from the rest of the EAC members as clearly showcased when its representatives fail to turn up to meet other participants in the bloc. Consequently, your actions fully commits where your agenda lies. Museveni on the other hand knows that it would be impossible to run affairs on his own. hence the meeting with Kagame and Kibaki and Raila

do u mean he does not do the same with other leaders in the block? and who snatched Migingo from Kenya? Or a backstabbing movie on the play....! If i were u i would have not trusted any leader in the block to call a dear friend!

 

[The Finest]

do u mean he does not do the same with other leaders in the block? and who snatched Migingo from Kenya? Or a backstabbing movie on the play....! If i were u i would have not trusted any leader in the block to call a dear friend!

Hahaha!! Hawaoni matatizo waliyonayo sijui..wanakimbilia ya kwetu

 

[Nyundo Kavu]

By Peter Wanyonyi

Tanzania is behaving badly. Something has spoilt the people of hela and dala dala. They are clearly growing horns and something needs to be done about it before they begin thinking they are the regional bullyboys.

In the village, neighbours drop by unannounced for a cup of tea every now and then. Thus, a few months ago, President Museveni of Uganda dropped by the cattle boma of President Kagame of Rwanda. Over a cup of tea, they agreed to bury their past disagreements and forge new relations. Shortly afterwards, President Kagame paid a revenge Christmas visit to Uganda. Since then, matters have been smooth between those two countries.

Makerere
Down here, President Kibaki paid a visit to his alma mater, Makerere University, the other day. Apparently, he was so sharp a learner that he was invited back to teach at Makerere shortly after graduation. At any rate, he received an honorary doctorate thanking him for his service to the institution, had a chat with President Museveni and flew back home.

Hardly a couple of weeks later, President Museveni dropped by Kisumu to preside over a harambee. Never mind that, in days past, he had taken to calling our Prime Minister's people "hii wanjaruo" in that inimitable Nyankole-accented "chiswahili" that he speaks so well.
Well, bygones are bygones, and President Museveni is now Ruoth - senior elder of the Luo Nation.

Noisy stink
Not so Tanzanian leaders. Tanzania is cold and haughty where East African matters are concerned. They attend East African Community (EAC) meetings only to throw spanners in the works. Double standards reign in that country. Evidence is everywhere.

A few days ago, the Kenya-Tanzania border crossing had to be closed after Kenyans did what we do best: raise a noisy stink over double standards.
You see, because of our good neighbourliness and some EAC protocols that we have signed, Tanzanians can drive into Kenya and conduct their business here with no problem. No charges, no permits, no questions asked. But the reverse is not true for Dar. Kenyans who want to drive into Tanzania for business must cough US$200 (Sh16,400) each time they cross the border.

Tanzania's GDP per person per month is a mere US$100 (Sh8,200), so every Kenyan vehicle that crosses into that country pays the equivalent of two Tanzanians' monthly economic output.

Even passenger vehicles are not spared the levies. And it doesn't stop there. Whereas Tanzanians visiting Kenyan public facilities - like game parks - are charged the concessionary rates that Kenyans and other East Africans pay, Kenyans doing the same in Tanzania are charged exorbitant "tourist" levies. These guys are also hell bent on sport hunting, notwithstanding the fact that our elephants routinely stroll across the common border.

Kwaheri
Which explains why President Jakaya Kikwete hasn't seen it fit to drop by Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda or even Burundi for a cup of chai. Why should he? Tanzania - with their South African sounding national anthem - after all, pays little more than lip service to the idea of East African cooperation, enraptured as it is by the glittering prospects offered up by South Africa.

The time has come to bid kwaheri to Tanzania and move on with EAC integration.


Source: http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000052893&cid=349&

 

[Froida]

Leave us alone you thought we are not thinking ,Its time you understand that we cant be forced into any stupidity

 

[Kabaridi]

do u mean he does not do the same with other leaders in the block? and who snatched Migingo from Kenya? Or a backstabbing movie on the play....! If i were u i would have not trusted any leader in the block to call a dear friend!

you can see as one would expect he sumitted to calls when the KG came knocking at his door, and that is what I call maturity and unity among leaders. But for the former chairman of EAC, ido not know why he could not make this leaders agree that whatever is agreed on the table would be implemented even to the grassroots.

 

[BabuK]

Nyundo Kavu! Kweli?Ni kweli unaishi Lupango??? Do we have to take what Wanyonyi wrote to be the best for the East Africans?.. I guess at least not me! The EAC federation is about East Africans... and not for the presidents! Je ni LINI Mnyankole atavuka na kundi lake la ng'ombe na kwenda kuchunga kwenye nchi jirani? Muuza Cd pale River Road, Nairobi, au Mtaa wa Kongo Dar, au Mwuuza ndizi Bus stop ya Kampala to Masaka. Je Hii inawezekana Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda au Kenya au Tz? Ndio maana spirit is to integrate our people and not the leaders! ndio tutafikia Federation ya Kweli! Naamini levies anazotaja Peter Wanyonyi zitashuka au kuondoka pale ambapo Wakenya wataonekana wameanza kuaminika kwa Watanzania na pia wataacha kufikiri kwamba wakiingia wanawalipa Watanzania wawili kipato cha mwezi ( dharau iliyoje?)na kujiona kwamba hawana tofauti za kitaifa na utaifa wao na KUJENGA UPENDO WA KWELI na si wa Kinyang'au!!

 

[The Stig]

Peter Wanyonyi's ramblings are very shallow by whatever yardstick one may opt to measure them. His thesis on TZ's intrasigence may have merit, but ndugu, the way he has constructed his rationale....(?)

For starters, stating that TZ is growing horns betrays a latent haughtiness - an expectation that TZ should be meek or something along that line.

All that gibberish about presidents visiting each other for chai is so silly. How can one build a serious point of argument around the drinking of tea?

And the statistics are all wrong. TZ's GDP per capita is much less than the 1,200 USD p.a. that his number's suggest. Kenya has the strongest GDP per capita in EA - and that is only 800 USD p.a! Making such a mistake in an otherwise strong talking point really shoots your proposition out of the water.

Anyway, we should take Wanyonyi lightly. After all, TZ bashing is a national sport in Kenya. I appeal to my fellow citizens go slow on all the frothing at the mouth act

 

[OPTIMUS TZ]

We are not kids to be pushed around man,we know who we are no Tanzania no East Africa Federation;Kenyas are greed, immoral tribal to the bones if they cannot talk to each other how will they do with other nationals,Uganda is Museven who is looking for a place to save his neck and his family by being the first East Africa President,Burundi does not worth a mention,Rwanda is Kagame plus thousands of rebel in DRC waiting for chances to attack,what do we get out of you people? other than blood and mountains of trouble.We once run over Uganda and take charge for six years.
You can pack your bags and start a new Capital at Gulu or Turkana or Gitarama if you will be able to agree in the first place;THE UNITED REPUBLIC OF TANZANIA WILL NEVER BE PART OF EAST AFRICA FEDERATION NEVER NEVER COMMON MARKET IS THE LAST STOP NO MORE STEPS tell this to YOWERI KAGUTA MUSEVEN who sent you to post that thread

 

[JokaKuu]

..kwanza, EAC ina manufaa gani kwa Mtanzania?

..pili, model tunayoifuata ni ile ya EU ambayo sasa hivi ina matatizo makubwa.

..what r we doing kuhakikisha kuwa hatuingii kwenye matatizo kama ya EU?

..tatu, siyo kweli kwamba viongozi wa Tanzania hawatembelei Kenya,Uganda,Rwanda,au Burundi.


NB:

..in 1995 Moi na Museveni were not in talking terms. wakafika kwenye inaguration ya Mkapa na Mwalimu Nyerere akawa-set up ikabidi wasalimiane na hiyo ndiyo ikapelekea serious talks za kuanzisha EAC. Prime Minister Mizengo Pinda alikuwa Kenya kwa mwaliko wa Raila Odinga. President Museveni is a frequent visitor to Monduli Military Academy in Arusha were Ugandan cadet officers receive their training.

 

[Nyundo Kavu]

Ndugu zangu, mimi Mtanzania.............. sijafurahishwa na hii topic thats why i brought it here so that u can see wat this writer say about Us............... STRICTLY TANZANIAN

 

[Kasimba G]

Had you been in nairobi and findout how those kenyans and the likes talk about tanzania as if we are rubbish! I hate tht

 

[Bantugbro]

Ndugu zangu, mimi Mtanzania.............. sijafurahishwa na hii topic thats why i brought it here so that u can see wat this writer say about Us............... STRICTLY TANZANIAN

Haya tumekusamehe..tafadhali tumia vizuri hiyo nyundo yako....:eyebrows:

 

[double R]

EAC is here to stay nyie ant EAC ni makelele tuu humu yanayoongozwa na hali ngumu ya maisha na ****** tuu wa kutoelewa,hasira zenu pelekeni kwa corrupt & uninformed politician wenu wanaouza nchi kwa rushwa,billions of gold zinaondoka kila siku huku mkilipwa maji ya visima na kuachiwa mashimo...EAC will stay na kelele zenu zitapita tuu

Na nyie pelekeni hizo kelele kwenye mashamba ya chai ambayo nyie ni madereva wa matrekta mabovu na zile portion zenu za kugawiwa.

 

[moyo]

Tanzania overtook Uganda as a major export destination of Kenya's goods and services....this means things will be more better if we kept her in EAC.Yes the writer is right because Tanzania is a liability when it comes to addressing serious issues that may even directly benefit her people..Intellectually Tanzania is very poor...no wonder they hide in hotel rooms whenever serious discussions are held about EAC matters..but are good at releasing press statements.This lack of ability to think on Tanzania's part has created many opportunities for many daring Kenyans not only to make money for themselves but also do TZ a favor by building their economy.
We need Tanzania so much because its a ready money for our manufactured goods and services,again its the major source of raw materials and its easy to exploit their natural resources.But we can not depend on her for ideas on how to develop EAC we better ask secondary school students in UG or Kenya, they can give better ideas than any educated Tanzanian because they r so selfish even onto themselves.
In EAC we treat each other equally..no country calls shots...unlike ECOWAS where Nigeria calls shots, and SADC where SA calls the shots.If Tanazania is not willing to take her priviledged position on an EAC high table then we should not object her if she wants to sit on the carpet in SADC, so long as our interests r not affected.

 

[Koba]

Wabongo keep running your mouth lakini EAC is here to stay and is good for you,mnapiga kelele tuu lakini Kenyans companies ndio investor wakubwa sana TZ na wengi mnafanya kazi kwenye hizo companies,hao wazungu wanaokuja kuchukua billions of your gold in papers wanaonekana wanaongeza country GDP lakini ukweli hakuna kitu mnapata kutokana na incompetency yenu na viongozi wenu wanaodanganywa na accounts tricks & corruption and forever s-tupid tax holiday,Mtwara kumejaa gas to run electricity nchi nzima lakini only 6% ndio mnapata umeme tena kwa mgawo & very expensive,na pls cut that BS eti wakenya wana roho mbaya/ugly etc maana mnaonekana so weak and shallow kwa arguments kama hizo,if you real mean it and to be taken serious why ur against EAC we can debate lakini mkianza kuleta story eti because Kenyans wana roho mbaya, hakuna mtu atawasikiliza and they will push for EAC to their advantage nyie mtabaki kupiga kelele tuu kama Richmond/gold,get serious....EAC forever!!!!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Tanzania overtook Uganda as a major export destination of Kenya's goods and services....this means things will be more better if we kept her in EAC.Yes the writer is right because Tanzania is a liability when it comes to addressing serious issues that may even directly benefit her people..Intellectually Tanzania is very poor...no wonder they hide in hotel rooms whenever serious discussions are held about EAC matters..but are good at releasing press statements.This lack of ability to think on Tanzania's part has created many opportunities for many daring Kenyans not only to make money for themselves but also do TZ a favor by building their economy.
We need Tanzania so much because its a ready money for our manufactured goods and services,again its the major source of raw materials and its easy to exploit their natural resources.But we can not depend on her for ideas on how to develop EAC we better ask secondary school students in UG or Kenya, they can give better ideas than any educated Tanzanian because they r so selfish even onto themselves.
In EAC we treat each other equally..no country calls shots...unlike ECOWAS where Nigeria calls shots, and SADC where SA calls the shots.If Tanazania is not willing to take her priviledged position on an EAC high table then we should not object her if she wants to sit on the carpet in SADC, so long as our interests r not affected.

point of correction as a trading partner! don't mistaken with export destination of ur goods and services otherwise ask Deacons (that closed shop and 80 percent of their consignment were South African Truworths attires) and KCB (that since 1997 has not made profit)! BTW which r the manufactured goods r u exporting to Tanzania (Kenyan) since I see South African goods!

 

[double R]

Ninapowapenda watanzania ni hapo tu. Na matatizo yetu yote, tunajali heshima yetu.
Nimewahi kukanyaga Kenya na Uganda hawana tofauti sana na sie na pengine bora sie zingine ni mbwembwe tu za GDP and economy growth ambazo hata sie tunazo.
Hali za maisha za watu wa Kenya na Uganda na Rwanda ni mbaya ndio maana wanang'ang'ania wapate access of our beautiful land wapate neema kama yetu.
Hatuna sababu ya kujiunga nao ili kuendelea, we have everything for development, we are just in the move. Slow but serious move.

 

[Koba]

Ninapowapenda watanzania ni hapo tu. Na matatizo yetu yote, tunajali heshima yetu.
Nimewahi kukanyaga Kenya na Uganda hawana tofauti sana na sie na pengine bora sie zingine ni mbwembwe tu za GDP and economy growth ambazo hata sie tunazo.
Hali za maisha za watu wa Kenya na Uganda na Rwanda ni mbaya ndio maana wanang'ang'ania wapate access of our beautiful land wapate neema kama yetu.
Hatuna sababu ya kujiunga nao ili kuendelea, we have everything for development, we are just in the move. Slow but serious move.

...you are not serious or you dont know what ur talking about!

 

[JokaKuu]

..we have Uranium,Natural Gas,Gold,Diamonds, Coal, Iron ore, na mazagazaga kibao.

..we should drag our feet for the next 5 yrs kabla hatujaondoka kabisa ktk EAC.

 

[Mzalendo80]

We Tanzania, we have everything in our country tofauti na nchi nyingine za EAC ambazo maisha ya watu wao wanategemea Tanzania. Huwezi kukuta Watanzania wapo Kenya, Uganda au nchi nyingine yoyote ambayo ni member wa EAC wakihangaika hovyo kama Wakenya na Waganda wanavyohangaika. Wakenya bila ya Tanzania watakufa njaa na wataua kama kuku. To Hell EAC