Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides

Beating the Drum on One Side: Confusing the People on Both Sides

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Karmati na sharbati lazma uhare sana vitu hivyo hamjazoea nyie wala miguruwe

nguruwe ni nyama tamu kuliko zote duniani! Mtu akisema mla nguruwe, kanisifia

dawa ya majini, inaimarisha afya, inaboresha kazi ya "abdala kichwa wazi"

endelea kufuata mapokeo ya mtume wenu ambaye Koran & Hadith Sahihi zinakiri yuko JEHANAM

karaghabaho!
 
Umeambiwa toa clarification ya "inasemekana" data!

The information comes from "the horses mouth", thats YOU!

akina Faiza wame "fart" kuhusu hypothetical data nawe unakuja na "inasemekana" data

MKUKI KWA NGURUWE, KWA BINADAMU . . . .

Yale yale ya ku "convert truth to half truth" ya "Professor".

Professor ameshaanza kupata usingizi?

[h=5]@Kfhirji

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Unajuwa maana yake nini?

Hapo sasa.





Kwi kwi kwi teh teh teh.
 
Nyakageni,
Huyo jamaa nazungumzanae kupitia Maalim Faiza na Ritz.

Au hairuhusiwi?


Inarukhusiwa tu kama umethibitisha awa kina big show unazungumza kupitia wao, tumekuelewa vizuri sasa maana wanakuwakilisha vema.

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By THE BIG SHOW

we chakubanga koma kabisa na lugha zako za shombo??

na usidiriki kabisa kujumuisha mawazo yako ya kikuda na ujumla wa waislam,,na huwez kuwa muislam wewe kobelo,,abadan wewe ni kafiri tuh

KWA SABABU HUWEZI KUWA MUISLAM KISHA UKAWA MTU WA VURUGU,,KAMA WEWE NI HIVYO BASI JIHUKUMU MWENYEWE KABLA HUJAHUKUMIWA CHAKUBIMBI WEWE

Mwenye matatizo mengi ni wewe pekeyako kimpango wako,usijumuishe na wengine umeskia wewe?

Nawewe kama unaficha iman yako ni juu yako vile vile

KWA MUISLAM ANAEJITAMBUA KIKWELI KWELI HAWEZI KUWA NA VURUGU,,MUISLAM ANAEJITAMBUA LAZIMA AWE MPOLE,,MTARATIBU NA MWENYE STAHA KWA KILA NAMNA

NA YULE ASIEJINYONGESHA KWA MAKAFIRI NA KUONEA HAYA IMAN YAKE KAMA WEWE ETI KISA TUH YEYE NI MUISLAM

WEWE NI KIKOJOZI KAMA WALIVYO VIKOJOZI WENGINE


SHIKA ADABU ZAKO
 
Inarukhusiwa tu kama umethibitisha awa kina big show unazungumza kupitia wao, tumekuelewa vizuri sasa maana wanakuwakilisha vema.

na ziada ya hapo, Ritz hana ufahamu wa kutosha. Anawaza kufuga mbwa wake tu
 
Duh.pazito hapa,ngoja nijisomee nipate elimu tu nisiingize neno!!!!!!!!!!
 

Ritz
,
Huyu Nguruvi hajui kilitokea nini baada ya utafiti ule kugawiwa kwa kila
Muislam Tanzania.

Serikali haikusema kuwa sisi ni waongo au sijui "selective sampling," na
nini sijui.

Serikali ilipata mshtuko na wakataka kujua ni akina nani wamefanya haya.

Sisi tulikuwa tumesema kweli na tulikuwa sasa tunatafuta msaada wa umma
tujitoe katika dhulma ile.

Hii ilikuwa mwaka 1981 na baadhi ya makaratasi haya yaligawiwa kwenye
viwanja vya Bunge Karimjee Hall.
Waliochaguliwa kuingia Dar es Salaam University 1985 hadi 1990[/B]

Year Christians Muslims

1985/86 85% 15%
1986/87 84% 16%
1988/89 82% 18%
1989/90 82% 18%

Watendaji Wizara ya Elimu 1987

Muslim Commissioners 1 Christian Commissioners 7
Muslim Directors 6 Christian Directors 31

Serikali 1987

Muslims Christians

Ministers 4 16
Deputy Ministers 4 7
Principal Secretaries 2 16
Regional Commissioners 5 15
District Commissioners 8 113

Inasemekana hivi sasa ndani ya Bunge Wakatoliki wanahodhi 85% ya viti na hiyo 15% imeachiwa Wakristo wa madhehebu mengine na Waislam.

Mohamed Said
Table 2

Religious Distribution University of Dar es Salaam 1971/72-1973/74
Year Muslim % Non-Muslim % Total
1969/70 17 83 100
*1970/71 - - -
1971/72 13 87 100
1972/73 14 86 100
1973/74 13 87 100
*1974/75 - - -
1975/76 15 85 100
*1976/77 - - -
*1977/78 - - -

1978/79 14 86 100
**1979/80 14 86 100
**1980/81 11 89 100
**1981/82 16 84 100

* Official Statistics not available

** Students selected for Faculty of Agriculture, Forestry and Veterinary Science and medicine not included.

Source: 1969/70-1978/79 University of Dar es Salaam Students Directory.

1979/80-1981/82 Daily News June 1979/1981
My take: Mohamed ulikimbia ukidhani nimeondoka,haya takwimu zako hizo hapo juu, tunaomba mchanganuo ili tujue zinaleta maana gani. Kwa jinsi zilivyo sasa hivi ni kichekesho kama si aibu, zikwamue kwanza kabla hujaandika lolote kihusiana nazo

Tusaidie kufafanua nini kimeleta mshtuko kwa kuangalia hizo takwimu, na zimeeleza nini hasa

Tupe sample size, limitation, exclusion n.k. ili tubaini sehemu nilizokazia uzi mwekundu

Hebu zichambue hizo takwiu 12 zilizokupa conlcusion ili tuone ulifikiaje conclusion hiyo kwa kutumia data hizoQUOTE=Punjab
Singh;12017904]What is wrong with you Nguruvi3 you have your answers in the quoted note. The 2 sources:

1) UDSM Student Directory (Not Mr. Said's own data)
2) Daily News wich is the Government owened tool of propagation.

So why should he explain to you go to those sources and confirm if he is cooking the data or not?
Get serious, it seems the Panya Buku did not damage kabrashas only teh teh teh!

Mohamed and team, msitake kuficha uvundo kwa kupulizia perfume

Kwanza, sikuhoji kuhusu vyanzo vyake.
Nilichokifanya ni kuonyesha maeneo yanayohiataji fikra kwa mtu anayeamini na kujua utafiti maana yake nini, unakusudia nini, unafanyika vipi na unatoa majibu kwa njia gani.

Kwa mfano,

Hivi 'inasemekana' linaweza kuwa neno la mtafiti na la kiutafiti

Pili, hivi Mohamed anawezaje kupata data za maelfu ya watu UDSM ashindwe kupata data za wabunge 300 hadi aseme inasemekana

Tatu, kama tutakubaliana na 'inasemekana, hivi wakatoliki si Wakristo na kwanini wawe kundi jingine na kusiwe na Shia, Ismailia, kadiani n.k. katika makundi tofauti ya waislam

Nne, kama tutakubali chanzo ni UDSM , je hiyo miaka iliyorukwa haikuwa na usajili UDSM na kwanini.
Conclusion inawezaje kufikiwa tukiwa na data ambazo hazijitoshelezi, hazijielezi na wala hazielezeki

Tano,Mohamed kasema hizi si 'official statistics''
a)je kuna tofauti gani na neno hypothetical alilotumia prof Hiriji na kwanini iwe nongwa kwa Prof na si Mohamed
b)Mohamed anawezaje kufikia hitimisho kwa kutumia data zisizo official na kusema huo ni utafiti

Sita, Kwanini utafiti wake haukwenda kufanyika katika faculty za Agriculture, Vertenary medicine na Medicine.

Je, huko hali ikoje na sababu gani zilizopekea yeye kutokwenda huko, ikiwa hitimisho lake ni takwimu za UDSM kwa ujumla

Saba, Punjab kasema Daily news ni propaganda machine ya serikali.
Kama ni hivyo, Mohamed anawezaje kwenda kuchukua data kutoka chanzo ambacho ni propaganda?

Je, mtu anaweza kuchukua takwimu za kisomi kutoka gazeti la Uwazi, Risasi Jumamosi, Tanzania Daima au Nipashe, akazifanyia kazi na kutoa hitimisho la kisomi?


Mwisho, napenda mjadili takwimu za Mohamed, msinijadili mimi kwasababu kilichopo mbele ni takwimu za Mohamed alizoziita tafiti.

Mohamed aje akanushe kuwa takwimu hizo si zake, na wala msinishambulie kwa kuweka takwimu zake.

By the way yeye anakubali kuwa walizitoa ili watu waone, ninyi mnataka chanzo gani kutoka kwangu ikiwa chanzo kimekubali
 
fafanua kuhusu takwimu za Mzee Said za "inasemekana"

Nyakageni,
Sishangai.
Ndivyo ilivyo.

Kila kitu kwenu kinakwenda sawa.
Mnaweza kufanya chochote.

Hamna cha kukukwamisheni.
Hivyo basi kilio cha Waislam kwenu ni kitu cha kuchezwa shere.

JF pamekuwa mahali pa burudani na pa kujionyesha umahiri wa kuandika
Kizungu na kufanya mchanganuo wa takwimu.

Hatari iliyoko mbele yetu sote hamuioni.

Mwaka ule wa 1981 utafiti ule ulipogawiwa kwa Waislam wote wa Tanzania,
serikali ilishtuka kwa sababu walijua hatari yake.
Table 4
Christian Seminary Secondary Schools 1980
No.SchoolLevelRegion
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
Mafinga
Ujiji
Kilema
Maua
Uru
Nanupa
Makoko
Kasita
Lutheran Junior
Saint Peter's
Nyegezi
Kaengesa
Likonde
Mwadui
Dungunyi
Itaga
Soni
Katoke
Rubiya
"O"
"
"A"
"O"
"
"
"
"
"
"
"
"
"A"
"O"
"
"A"
"O"
"
"
Iringa
Kigoma
Kilimanjaro
Kilimanjaro
Kilimanjaro
Lindi
Mara
Morogoro
Morogoro
Morogoro
Mwanza
Rukwa
Ruvuma
Shinyanga
Singida
Tabora
Tanga
Kagera
Kagera
Source: Ministry of National Education, Dar es Salaam.

When these findings were made public and distributed throughout the country it came as a shock to Muslims and the government. For the first time it was revealed that there was a system in the Ministry of Education supported by Christian functionaries which was discriminatory to Muslim youths, purposely barring them from institutions of higher learning and the president of the country Julius Nyerere and the Catholic Church was not unconnected in this plot. Such accusations and disclosure, particularly coming from Muslims, threatened national unity. The government did not want to find out whether those findings on education were correct or not. Its interest was to know the brains behind Warsha isolate them from Muslims and then persecute them. The government was unprepared for such revelations and was worried by the direction which BAKWATA was taking. BAKWATA was now serving the cause of Islam. This was not what Nyerere had bargained for when he subverted the EAMWS and helped to found BAKWATA. Sheikh Mohamed Ali as secretary of BAKWATA was taken to task for allowing the organisations to be hijacked by what were perceived to be hot headed youths. Warsha were accused of being anti-government, anti Christian and perpetrating animosity between Muslims and Christians through their writings. President Nyerere ordered Aboud Jumbe the Vice President to close down the Muslim seminaries.

(Kutoka: "Christian Hegemony and the Rise of Muslim Militancy in Tanzania").

NB: Wakati huu vijana wa Kiislam kutoka Chuo Kikuu Cha Dar es Salaam walikuwa wamejipenyeza BAKWATA na kitu cha kwanza walichofanya ilikuwa kuanzisha Muslim seminaries katika shule za BAKWATA Kinondoni na Kibohehe.





 
What is wrong with you Nguruvi3 you have your answers in the quoted note. The 2 sources:

1) UDSM Student Directory (Not Mr. Said's own data)
2) Daily News wich is the Government owened tool of propagation.

So why should he explain to you go to those sources and confirm if he is cooking the data or not?
Get serious, it seems the Panya Buku did not damage kabrashas only teh teh teh!
Hapo kwenye panya bukus mbavu sina kwa kucheka kawekewa mpaka source lakini banya bukus hataki Hahahahahahaha.
 
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na omba msamaha wenu. Haata profesa anaweza kufanya kosa la kitoto. Maana yangu ilikuwa
maji maji lakini kwa haraka niliandika mau mau.
Lakini kosa dogo kimoja kama hilo haliwezi kupindua logic na ukweli wa makala mzima.
Ni wale ambao hawataki kufikiria mambo kwa kiundani ndiyo watayanganganyia makosa madogo
madogo.

Prof. Karim hiri
Msamaha muombe uliyomjibu maana hii pepar bado mbichi sidhani si leo wala kesho inaweza kuwa imeliwa na panya buku.
 
Mohamed Said, please stop beating around the bush! Clarify the authenticity of your "it is said" data

malalamiko ya waislam ni mengi na yako dunia nzima, hata YESU mnalalamika ni muislam na hakufa msalabani! SISHANGAI

pili, hebu fafanua kuhusu maswali ya Nguruvi3 yako saba

Kwa nini "hakuna official statistics" UDSM na kwa nini hukwenda vitengo vingine? What are the LIMITATION & DELIMITATION OF YOUR RESEARCH?
 
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Umeambiwa toa clarification ya "inasemekana" data!

The information comes from "the horses mouth", thats YOU!

akina Faiza wame "fart" kuhusu hypothetical data nawe unakuja na "inasemekana" data

MKUKI KWA NGURUWE, KWA BINADAMU . . . .
Umepewa hizi hapa chini...

Mwaka ule wa 1981 utafiti ule ulipogawiwa kwa Waislam wote wa Tanzania,
serikali ilishtuka kwa sababu walijua hatari yake.
Table 4
Christian Seminary Secondary Schools 1980
No. School Level Region
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.
19. Mafinga
Ujiji
Kilema
Maua
Uru
Nanupa
Makoko
Kasita
Lutheran Junior
Saint Peter’s
Nyegezi
Kaengesa
Likonde
Mwadui
Dungunyi
Itaga
Soni
Katoke
Rubiya “O”
“
“A”
“O”
“
“
“
“
“
“
“
“
“A”
“O”
“
“A”
“O”
“
“ Iringa
Kigoma
Kilimanjaro
Kilimanjaro
Kilimanjaro
Lindi
Mara
Morogoro
Morogoro
Morogoro
Mwanza
Rukwa
Ruvuma
Shinyanga
Singida
Tabora
Tanga
Kagera
Kagera
Source: Ministry of National Education, Dar es Salaam.

When these findings were made public and distributed to throughout the country it came as a shock to Muslims and the government. For the first time it was revealed that there was a system in the Ministry of Education supported by Christian functionaries which was discriminatory to Muslim youths, purposely barring them from institutions of higher learning and the president of the country Julius Nyerere and the Catholic Church was not unconnected in this plot. Such accusations and disclosure, particularly coming from Muslims, threatened national unity. The government did not want to find out whether those findings on education were correct or not. Its interest was to know the brains behind Warsha isolate them from Muslims and then persecute them. The government was unprepared for such revelations and was worried by the direction which BAKWATA was taking. BAKWATA was now serving the cause of Islam. This was not what Nyerere had bargained for when he subverted the EAMWS and helped to found BAKWATA. Sheikh Mohamed Ali as secretary of BAKWATA was taken to task for allowing the organisations to be hijacked by what were perceived to be hot headed youths. Warsha were accused of being anti-government, anti Christian and perpetrating animosity between Muslims and Christians through their writings. President Nyerere ordered Aboud Jumbe the Vice President to close down the Muslim seminaries.

(Kutoka: "Christian Hegemony and the Rise of Muslim Militancy in Tanzania").

NB: Wakati huu vijana wa Kiislam kutoka Chuo Kikuu Cha Dar es Salaam walikuwa wamejipenyeza BAKWATA na kitu cha kwanza walichofanya ilikuwa kuanzisha Muslim seminaries katika shule za BAKWATA Kinondoni na Kibohehe.
 
Nitajie nchi moja isiyo na malalamiko ya waislam!

HAKUNA

kama unamsaidia mzee wako msaidie kwa kutumia akili na wala si "copy and paste" kukwepa maswali

kasema takwimu "si rasmi" na pia "inasemekana" unafikiri historia inabadilishwa kienyeji?

utafiti kaenda UDSM wenye takwimu zote at one spot lakini akili yake ikaamua kuziacha za faculty zingine, kwa nini?

pia kwa nini alikosa data za miaka mingine wakati chuo kipo?
 
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