America Plays Big Brother to Kenya.

[FirstLady1]

Mkuu, charity begins at home...

Kibinadamu, hata kama unazungumzia watanzania kuacha tabia fulani, lazima utaanzia nyumbani kutekeleza rai yako kwako!

very true

ila kitogo sijaelewa unamaanisha nini sijui niko nyuma ya Topic

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Yeah...wamenyimwa visa...big del....it's the end of the world...wamekomolewa....the earh is going to collapse....LMAO

 

[Fidel80]

Sasa kama wana viaccount huko itakuwaje? Ndo kwisha kazi sio?

 

[ByaseL]

Kwa maneno mengine JK na wenzake wamemudu kumwingiza mjini Obama kwa usanii wao! Lakini wataendelea kumdangaya siku zote? Mbona tayari issue ya Pemba imeanza kuwambua? Hili la kuzuga kuwa wanashughulikia ufisadi litawatokea puani. Naamini siku moja tutampata mtu aina ya Bingu wa Mutharika, patakuwa hapatoshi hapo mjini!!

Watanzania tusitegemee nchi za magharibi kuchukua hatua madhubuti dhidi ya mafisadi kama walivyofanya Kenya na Zimbabwe. Nchi za Magharibi zinaangalia nchi hizi kwa jicho tofauti (keen interest) kwa vile zina wazungu walowezi.

2006 ilipotokea kashfa ya Anglo Leasingg huko Kenya hata kabla ripoti ya uchunguzi haijatoka tayari Uingereza ikawawekea vikwazo watuhumiwa muhimu wakiwemo mawaziri vikwazo vya kunyimwa visa. Mpaka leo baadhi ya watu mashuhuri Kenya hawakanyagi Uingereza ingawa Aglo Leasin iliisha kimya kimya.

Hapa kwetu mkataba ovyo wa Buzwagi ulisainiwa na Karamagi ndani ya London, tukapiga mayowe lakini wapi? Wizi wa balaa wa EPA mpaka maodita kutoka nje wamedhibitisha na tulitegemea angalau nchi hizi zichukue hatua (hata kama ni symbolic) kwa watuhumiwa waliopo mahakamani na wengine walio nyuma ya pazia lakini mabalozi walinywea baada ya kukutana na Waziri Membe! Talk about double standards!

 

[Atita]

Ukiona hivyo , Kenya imeanza kutambulikana na Wamarekani.Hata hivyo, Labda Bwana Raila alishauriana na Bwana Obama kuhusu watakao pigwa marufuku kuingia humo Marekani. Bwana ocampo awasukume sana.

 

[Sophist]

Yaani ukabila ulivyo mkali Kenya kuna watu wa lile kabila jingine walikuwa wanaomba mizimu yote ili Raila asikutane na Obama du, hii ni hatari sana. Unaweza hata kusomewa albadir ili uwe kichaa kabla ya mambo.

Nadhani tunahitaji tafsiri sahihi ya neno 'ukabila' isiyomaanisha 'identity'. Vinginevyo neno ukabila kwa ndugu zangu wajaluo/wakikuyu na wengineo linatumika isivyo.

 

[Brutus]

Obama is too arrogant!
Inabidi aache kuingilia 'internal affairs' za mataifa mengine. kwenye ishu ya Kenya obviously yuko biased. Obama ni product ya George Soros, na George Soros kupitia Open Society Institute amekuwa anawafadhili Odinga, Tsvangirai na Victor Yushchenko.
Hii tabia ya kulazimisha mabadiliko ya katiba na kuwapa uwaziri mkuu watu walishindwa uchaguzi inatoka wapi? Kuna faida gani ya kufanya uchaguzi?
US Supreme Court ilipompa G W Bush ushindi, kuna taifa lililoipigia Marekani kelele kuwa wafanye marekebisho ya Katiba yao ili Al Gore awe Waziri Mkuu ili kupunguza hasira za wananchi?

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

That is the POINT!
What is the BIG DEAL here NAULIZA?

Shapu,

big deali ni kwa sababu hela zao ziko nchi za magharibi na
wakinyimwa viza they will not be able to access their ill gotten
funds.

Kisha pili, si wao tu bali pia watoto wao na wajukuu zao ambao
wameishi huku tangu jadi hata kupanda daladala hawajui. Nd'o
iwe leo uwabwage Afrika waanze upya?...hilo hawataki.

 

[Kituko]

I dont see kunyimwa visa ya USA as adhabu kwa mtu mwenye mabilioni yake, I dont even see hii ban itakuwa na impact gani kwao kwa kuwa hata kama wana deals zao wanazofanya na Americans- they can still do them on the phone and internet or evn send their friends there to represent them. Bado wakitaka kwenda kutumia hela zao on holidays- they have got so many other places to go, its pointless really.

KKN,
Marekani ndio kila kitu, Impact yake huwa ni ya nchi zote za dunia, NewYork SE imeyemba , bac myumbo ukawa ni wa dunia nzima, kitendo cha Marekani kutamka kwqmba hawa jamaa wamebaniwa viza bac nchi karibu zote zitacopy na kupaste,
mzee tunazungumzia UN, lakini Un ni Marekani mzee, anapoamua vitu hakuna wa kumzuia duniani, UN kitengo cha Atomic walitoa report kuwa Sadam hana silaha za MAhangamizi lakini Marekani na vibaraka wake wakaivamia nchi na hakuna any punshment kutoka UN, watu walikuwa detained pale guantanamo hakuna hata mmoja aliyepiga kelele kuhusu Human right,
Marekani ndio baba wa dunia hata kama inauma kukubali laki8ni ndio hali halisi

 

[JokaKuu]

Ab-Tichaz,Brutus,ByaseL,Recta,Fidel80,Bluray,Kituko....

..waliohusika na vurugu na mauaji yaliyotokea Kenya wanapaswa kupelekwa kwenye sheria. hilo nakubaliana nalo 100%

..kwa upande mwingine nashangaa sana kwamba liko "donda" kubwa kwa majirani zetu Wacongo na jumuiya ya kimataifa haitaki kulishughulikia.

..mamilioni ya Wacongo wameauawa na wahusika wakuu ni serikali na majeshi ya Rwanda, na vibaraka wao.

..majuzi nimesoma taarifa za Waziri Membe, ati anadai Jenerali Nkunda ameweka masharti kwamba akashtakiwe ktk nchi zisizo na hukumu ya kifo!!

..yaani tumefika mahali viongozi wa Afrika na jumuiya nzima ya kimataifa inawekewa masharti na mhuni na muuaji kama Laurent Nkunda??!!

 

[rmashauri]

Yaani ukabila ulivyo mkali Kenya kuna watu wa lile kabila jingine walikuwa wanaomba mizimu yote ili Raila asikutane na Obama du, hii ni hatari sana. Unaweza hata kusomewa albadir ili uwe kichaa kabla ya mambo.

Jamani hivi albadir ni namna fulani ya uchawi au?

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Secrets of Raila talks with Obama​

Prime Minister Raila Odinga delivers a speech at Harvard University on Thursday​

By David Ohito

As Prime Minister Raila Odinga's high-profile visit to the United States draws to a close, we today reveal glimpses of his moments with the leader of the world's only superpower.

Exhorting the PM to urgently push for comprehensive reforms to stave off a repeat of the 2008 chaos, US President Barack Obama showed his deep concern for the people of Kenya, the land of his forefathers.

And the links between the Obamas and Kenya was amplified when the US First Family inquired after their Kenyan relatives, with Michelle Obama seeking to know how Mama Sarah Obama was faring.

She asked Mrs Ida Odinga, the PM's wife, to keep an eye on Mama Sarah, Barack Obama's grandmother.

The meeting presented Nairobi with its first big opportunity yet - to engage directly with Obama and the United States on the myriad national challenges.

During the twin meetings on Wednesday - at a luncheon and later at the Metropolitan Museum of Modern Art - in New York, the two leaders talked about reform in Kenya, with Obama saying he wishes Kenya well and would like to see the country succeed.Obama asked Raila to push harder for faster reforms, saying he feared time was running out for some critical reforms. The PM told Obama that the Grand Coalition Government was doing its best to ensure the reforms were in place before the 2012 General Election.

They spoke about the raging debate on the Mau Forest Complex, the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission and police reforms. Raila rekindled memories of the airlift to the US, through which Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, secured a scholarship that saw him meet the future US President's mother.

It all started at a luncheon hosted by United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon. Obama and Raila shook hands warmly, talked about Kenya briefly, and parted ways with the US President saying: "We need to talk."

The two leaders later engaged in deep consultations about Kenya, only moments before Washington issued instructions warning of imminent individual sanctions against 15 top Government officials over reforms and impunity.

In a statement, the PM's spokesman Denis Onyango, said: "Raila appealed for a renewal of the ties and the spirit of the period of the Kennedy Administration, expressing hope that President Obama would lift Kenya from where the Kennedy ties left it."

Just like the Kennedy days

A day after meeting Obama, the PM headed to Obama's Alma Mater, Harvard University, where he paid glowing tribute to the late President JF Kennedy.He also headed to Boston where he delivered a lecture on ‘Democratisation and Democratic Transfer of Power in Africa'.

He also met the Obama Administration's Assistant Secretary for African Affairs, Johnnie Carson, and Deputy Assistant Secretary Karl E Wycoff.

The PM used the meetings to assure that the Coalition Government was committed to pursuing reforms, and also to draw attention to the challenges of saving the country's endangered water towers.

Today, the PM heads to the United Nations headquarters for his final engagement where he will address the UN General Assembly. He will use the forum to draw attention to the dangers a collapsing Somalia poses to the region, and Kenya in particular.

Raila says Somalia could become Africa's Afghanistan if the world does not act to save it now.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144024900&cid=4&ttl=Secrets%20of%20Raila%20talks%20with%20Obama

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Video ya hotuba ya Raila Chuo kikuu cha Harvard.... HAPA

 

[Kekuye]

Ukabila wetu haukuletwa na kutotumia kiswahili , sheng and english is also communication, its not like most Kenyans speak their mother tongue everywhere and every time, most of us just use it with families and friends from the same area, and in my case occasionally.

Utawala wetu tangu enzi za Kenyatta ulifanya ukabila uka kithiri miongoni mwa wananchi, one tribe was favoured in the Kenyatta era, most Gvt appointments, scholarships, loans, LAND etc were directed towards a certain tribe and the rest (41 tribes BTW) were ignored and felt abandoned by the Gvt which was supposed to protect them. After the death of Kenyatta, Moi got to power and fwatad Kenyatta's nyayo and perfected tribalism and took it a notch higher, to an extent where our security forces were dominated by one tribe till up to date they tend to talk with a certain accent (kalenjin).

Mkuu Smatta ingawaje huoni mchango wa moja kwa moja wa Kiswahili kuwaunganisha Wakenya ili kuondoa tofauti za makabila ukweli unabaki palepale kuwa lugha (Kiswahili) ni msingi mmojawapo wa kuondoa tofauti za kikabila. Ukienda sehemu yoyote Tz utaweza kuongea na mtu yeyote wa umri wowote kwa Kiswahili. Ninaamini hata kama kuna Sheng na Kiingereza bado siyo lugha ambazo zinawawezesha kuwasiliana bila kuweka tofauti za kikabila. Babu au nyaya yako nitaweza kuongea naye Sheng?
Kwa hoja yako ya pili ninakubaliana nawe.

 

[Redey]

Dah ukabila hatari sana kama udini sasa hawa jamaa dah naona walikosea sana kudharau Kiswahili kuwa lugha ya Taifa lao na wangekipa kipau mbele makabila yote yangeunganika lakini mmh!

uko sawa kabisa mkuu. Yote hayo ni nguvu ya ukabila, inabidi wakenya mjipange upya!

 

[Bluray]

That is the POINT!
What is the BIG DEAL here NAULIZA?

A self proclaimed "Citizen of the World" should never have a problem seeing the big deal in this.
Minding the ever interconnectedness of the almost ecological world systems.

The big deal ni kwamba.

1. Marekani inaonyesha si tu msimamo dhidi ya shina, bali pia inaonyesha kufanya hivyo kwa vitendo.

2. Hata kama vikwazo hivi havitawagusa hawa mafisadi kwa sana, Marekani kwa upande wake itakuwa imeonyesha kupiga vita ufisadi Africa.

3. Mara nyingi pia vikwazo kama hivi hufanywa kwa sababu ya local constituent ya Marekani, all politics is local, kwa hiyo Obama na administration yake wanaweza kupata a strategic moral authority kwa kwenda kwa wapiga kura wao na kusema tumewawekea vikwazo vya kuja Marekani mafisadi wa Afrika.

4. Safari ya kuzunguka dunia huanza na hatua moja, angalau Wamarekani wameonyesha commitment hii.Kama kila taifa la Magharibi lingeweza kufanya hivi, pamoja na ku apply stricter regulations on the banking of ill gotten funds, tungeweza kuwa na afueni kidogo.

 

[Kapinga]

Kwa wale msiojua madhara ya kunyimwa visa...kuna wengi wana wafamilia watoto na properties and bank accounts in their names marekani na uingereza..ukibana visa kuna hasara kubwa sana! nchi za wazungu huwa wanataifisha mali tuu au wanakutax 40% if u transfering property..wanasiasa dagaa hawana mali nje hii inaweza isiwaumize!

 

[Bluray]

Mkuu nadhani umeniacha naomba ufafanuzi tafadhali.

Nothing major, just the creative flair not being able to resist a bible parody, on the literature level, y'all should know this unorthodox rascal doesn't do religion.

Ukifuatilia hizo aya utaona Mwana wa Daudi alikuwa ananukuliwa kuhusu "jiwe wajenzi walilolikataa ndilo limekuwa jiwe la msingi, na yeyote atakayeliangukia atavunjika vipande, na litamsaga yeyote litakayemwangukia"

Sasa hapa to play Professor Asimov.

The rejected stone = Obama kwa sababu alikuwa sort of rejected/ neglected na baba yake.

Becoming the cornestone = Becoming POTUS (President of The United States) at the helm of power.

Litamsaga yeyote litakayemwangukia= ndiyo hayo ma visa ban and all tunayoyaona.

 

[Mbonea]

President Kibaki has written to US leader Barrack Obama to express "displeasure" with his administration over letters sent to 15 top Kenyan officials.

"His Excellency President Mwai Kibaki has written to President Barack Obama of the United States expressing displeasure and concern about letters written by a US Government official to some Ministers, some Members of Parliament and some Civil servants in their personal capacity on matters of Kenya's public policy.

"The action by the US Government official is considered out of step with international protocols in the conduct of relations between friendly nations," said a terse statement from Kibaki's office.

The President's move comes just a day after Prime Minister Raila Odinga said that the US had the right to take action on individuals it deems to be blocking reforms.

Mr Odinga who was delivering a speech at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government in the US said Washington could take action "if they're convinced the people they're banning from coming to the United States are engaged in forms of impunity."

He said he was at the forefront of championing reforms adding that we was opposed to all forms of impunity.

"I have been a victim of impunity in the past," Mr Odinga said, noting that he had been detained three times for a total of nine years.

Mr Odinga is the government's representative to the 64th United Nations General Assembly in New York, US.

The conflicting messages form the highest levels of government could yet open fresh wounds in the fragile coalition government, formed to end months of violence after a disputed presidential elections.
President Kibaki's move is bound to reignite a new war of words between ODM and PNU stalwarts that has characterised the 17-month old coalition.

 

[Mbonea]

Prime Minister Raila Odinga speaks at the Harvard University during his speech. Mr. Odinga also met students from Kenya and other African countries studying in the United States. ​

By KEVIN J KELLEY in New York and PETER LEFTIE in Nairobi
Posted Friday, September 25 2009 at 22:30


Prime Minister Raila Odinga has said the US Government is "totally entitled" to take action it deems appropriate against Kenyan officials.


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He made the remarks on Thursday night at a Harvard University forum in response to a question about the Obama administration's threat to bar 15 Kenyan leaders from entering the US unless they stopped blocking political reforms.

At the same time, the Canadian Government announced that it would also ban people responsible for stalling reforms from travelling to the country.

Warranted

A statement by the embassy in Nairobi said although there was no list, those found responsible would have travel bans imposed on them.

Mr Odinga suggested that US officials might be warranted in making such a move "if they're convinced the people they're banning from coming to the United States are engaged in forms of impunity."

He emphasised his own commitment to ensuring accountability and due process.

"I have been a victim of impunity in the past," Mr Odinga said, noting that he had been detained three times for a total of nine years.

At the outset of his speech at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, the Prime Minister introduced a few of the Kenyan officials in attendance, including Environment minister John Michuki.

In his address, the premier characterised grand corruption such as the Goldenberg scandal as "a thing of the past."

"It will not happen in this regime," he declared.

But, in Nairobi, top government officials threatened with sanctions by the US government unless they supported the reform agenda remained defiant.