Nyani Ngabu
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On running your mouth, I give it to you Susu.....I'm out....coz I can't keep up with you....
US Election Coverage 2008
US Election Coverage 2008
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Nyani Ngabu
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FBI wame raid ACORN offices in Nevada....take that
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Interms of running against Hillary..I think Palin will be eaten alive...If that bout will ever happen, I wish they put it on HBO pay per view.
Did you get McInsane joke about Jello on the wall? Was it me au...Everytime Obama was up speaking McInsane was bussy with his sharpie...what was he drawing? An Airplane dropping bombs??
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Hahaaaa! Umeniua Capitol Hill! kwa kweli Babu yake Nyani was really bizarre jana. Sijui alisahau kumeza dawa zake....
Nyani basi leo sikusumbui... hiyo story ya ACORN inatuhusu vipi zaidi ya kuwa right wing conspiracy?
Nyani Ngabu
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Hillary was a Goldwater girl...so she is racist
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Nyani..with all due respect for sticking with McCain campaign in this change driven election...unafikiri kuwa na Bush strategists kwenye timu yake (mcCain) kumechangia hii down fall? Unafikiri ku supsend campaign na kwenda DC na ku threat kwamba ana pull off Debate event ya kwanza unless solution ya bailout ipatikane was not a good move?
Nafikiri kuna mengi ya kujifunza kwenye hii Case study on both sides.
Nyani Ngabu
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Downfall iko wapi wakati polls zi tighten na uchaguzi bado haujafanyika? There is no president elect yet, in case you don't know. So not too fast my friend.....mpira huchezwa dakika 90 and you guys are starting to get cocky and overconfident now.....not goog at all...not good. Go ask Tom Brady and Randy Moss....
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Nyani...the polls were so tight baada ya convention. After last night's debate...This election is not tied. You are right the votes have not been cast and I don't want to be cocky. I know its still a forth quarter and anything can happen (sex scandal, death of the candidate, terrorist attack, etc).
Lakini its obvious that Sen. McCain's campaign is frustrated.
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By Mary Pat Flaherty
The Nevada office of ACORN had planned a potluck dinner at its Las Vegas office Tuesday night to celebrate the 80,000 newly registered voters its staff had signed up in Clark County as part of its work with low-income communities nationwide.
Instead, their office was raided Tuesday morning by agents of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General who alleged in an application for a search warrant that ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.
The submitted voter cards included addresses and names that do not exist in Nevada, duplicate registrations, names culled from telephone books and names of Dallas Cowboys players, an investigator for the Secretary of State alleged in his affidavit for a search warrant.
One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
The search drove ACORN and its critics to exchange charges of political maneuvering in a battleground state that voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election but is considered in play for November. Mail-in voter registration closed Saturday in Nevada.
Agents removed 20 boxes of documents and eight computer hard drives from the ACORN office in "an ongoing investigation," said Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat. "Now we begin the task of sifting through the material that was seized to determine how widespread any fraud might be."
No arrests were made yesterday and no ACORN staff were in the office during the raid.
ACORN officials said they were stunned by the search because they had unilaterally identified and flagged suspicious voter registration cards to the county elections board starting in July and had been cooperating with authorities to cull bad information and fire workers who collected that information, said Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote.
Project Vote relies on staff from ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, to do field level voter drives.
ACORN's internal checks, Mellor said, included tracking forms assigned to canvassers using serial numbers and worker sign-offs on each form and following up with listed voters by phone to verify they had taken part in the registration drive. The search warrant mentions those procedures.
That cooperation and meetings with state officials also are mentioned in the search affidavit, as is a subpoena from the state that was delivered to ACORN in September asking the group to resubmit information on several employees it had previously turned over to county elections officials. The forms were resubmitted, Mellor said.
"The raid was a stunt designed perhaps to make them look tough on voter fraud," said Matthew Henderson, the southwest regional director for ACORN. "We don't think fraud is a rampant problem. This was a politically motivated stunt, that is all there is to it because those new voters can reshape the electorate of Nevada."
Henderson said many voters registered through ACORN are "working people and people of color and there may be corners of the political world where a high injection of new voters like those is unsettling some."
The state is one of several viewed as a battleground. The Secretary of State and Attorney General are Democrats.
"If this were a stunt I would have put Ross (Miller) out there with a shotgun like Buford Pussey," said Miller's spokesman, Bob Walsh. "I'll grant them their cooperation, though it is grossly dishonest not to bring up the felons in their official statements they released."
But, said Walsh, "at the end of the day, it is our job, not ACORN's, to enforce election law and that is why we acted."
In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said.
Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers.
Mellor said that problems with duplicate registrations -- for people already registered who sign on during a drive -- have been a problem that ACORN is working to eliminate because those cards burden local elections boards who must process them. He also noted that the group has worked with local authorities in St. Louis and Kansas City in the past on investigations. But the Nevada search, he said, "is the first raid I can recall."
ACORN has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls.
"It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke Tuesday during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers.
The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly."
The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies.
The Nevada office of ACORN had planned a potluck dinner at its Las Vegas office Tuesday night to celebrate the 80,000 newly registered voters its staff had signed up in Clark County as part of its work with low-income communities nationwide.
Instead, their office was raided Tuesday morning by agents of the Nevada Secretary of State and Attorney General who alleged in an application for a search warrant that ACORN had hired 59 felons through a work release program as canvassers and submitted nearly 300 apparently fraudulent voter registration cards as part of the drive.
The submitted voter cards included addresses and names that do not exist in Nevada, duplicate registrations, names culled from telephone books and names of Dallas Cowboys players, an investigator for the Secretary of State alleged in his affidavit for a search warrant.
One ex-employee of ACORN reached by the state investigator told him she began making up names for her forms on days when it was too hot to work outside. ACORN canvassers are paid by the hour. Ex-employees also said they were expected to collect 20 complete forms a shift or risk probation and termination, the investigator said in his affidavit.
The search drove ACORN and its critics to exchange charges of political maneuvering in a battleground state that voted Republican in the 2004 presidential election but is considered in play for November. Mail-in voter registration closed Saturday in Nevada.
Agents removed 20 boxes of documents and eight computer hard drives from the ACORN office in "an ongoing investigation," said Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat. "Now we begin the task of sifting through the material that was seized to determine how widespread any fraud might be."
No arrests were made yesterday and no ACORN staff were in the office during the raid.
ACORN officials said they were stunned by the search because they had unilaterally identified and flagged suspicious voter registration cards to the county elections board starting in July and had been cooperating with authorities to cull bad information and fire workers who collected that information, said Brian Mellor, senior counsel for Project Vote.
Project Vote relies on staff from ACORN, which stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, to do field level voter drives.
ACORN's internal checks, Mellor said, included tracking forms assigned to canvassers using serial numbers and worker sign-offs on each form and following up with listed voters by phone to verify they had taken part in the registration drive. The search warrant mentions those procedures.
That cooperation and meetings with state officials also are mentioned in the search affidavit, as is a subpoena from the state that was delivered to ACORN in September asking the group to resubmit information on several employees it had previously turned over to county elections officials. The forms were resubmitted, Mellor said.
"The raid was a stunt designed perhaps to make them look tough on voter fraud," said Matthew Henderson, the southwest regional director for ACORN. "We don't think fraud is a rampant problem. This was a politically motivated stunt, that is all there is to it because those new voters can reshape the electorate of Nevada."
Henderson said many voters registered through ACORN are "working people and people of color and there may be corners of the political world where a high injection of new voters like those is unsettling some."
The state is one of several viewed as a battleground. The Secretary of State and Attorney General are Democrats.
"If this were a stunt I would have put Ross (Miller) out there with a shotgun like Buford Pussey," said Miller's spokesman, Bob Walsh. "I'll grant them their cooperation, though it is grossly dishonest not to bring up the felons in their official statements they released."
But, said Walsh, "at the end of the day, it is our job, not ACORN's, to enforce election law and that is why we acted."
In July, the two Nevada state agencies involved in the raid, along with the FBI and U.S. Attorney's Office for Nevada, formed a task force to target voter registration and election fraud and complaints over voter registration practices, potential voter fraud, and enforcement of laws regarding voter intimidation. The federal agents were not part of Tuesday's search, Walsh said.
Registration drives conducted by ACORN in several states are under scrutiny by local elections officials for the accuracy of cards gathered by its workers.
Mellor said that problems with duplicate registrations -- for people already registered who sign on during a drive -- have been a problem that ACORN is working to eliminate because those cards burden local elections boards who must process them. He also noted that the group has worked with local authorities in St. Louis and Kansas City in the past on investigations. But the Nevada search, he said, "is the first raid I can recall."
ACORN has been the object of heated denunciations from the Republican National Committee and the McCain campaign, which contend the group is attempting to overwhelm election officials with new registrations that are carelessly gathered and would enable unqualified voters to get on the rolls.
"It is very difficult to ascribe any other motive to the activities of ACORN other than to swamp the system with registrations cards" that range from illegible to being drawn from names from telephone listings or other public directories, said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross. Cairncross spoke Tuesday during a telephone press conference on another ACORN voter drive in northwest Indiana that local news accounts report is under review by elections officers.
The ACORN drives, he said, "point to a lack of control in this organization" and "a willingness to go out and do this relentlessly."
The McCain and Obama camps have been trading blasts and Internet alerts over Republican charges that ACORN has been closely linked to Barack Obama for years, a contention the Obama campaign denies.
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...and the winner is John McCain!!!! LOL! spin doctors at their worst!!! What happened to being truthfully that is to admit that even in town hall style debate Obama is still the best?
US election: Campaigns rush to claim victory in post-debate spinJohn McCain's aides praise Republican's performance in Tennessee despite most polls showing Barack Obama victory
Daniel Nasaw in Washington guardian.co.uk,
Wednesday October 08 2008 14:27 BST
While most early polls crowned Barack Obama the victor in last night's town hall debate, both campaigns today sought to gain an edge in the post-event spin, releasing statements claiming victory.
The debate yielded no obvious result in the Republicans' campaign to reinvigorate John McCain's campaign and boost his poll ratings. However, the Republican party chairman, Mike Duncan, praised McCain's "commitment and decisiveness".
"He has shown he can provide solutions to the real issues hardworking American families are dealing with," Duncan said.
"While Barack Obama postured for political expedience and contradicted his record, John McCain showed true leadership and initiative. The decision for voters was made easier tonight.
"Barack Obama's naivety on foreign policy and his record of supporting tax increases and government spending as opposed to John McCain's leadership and clarity on the issues will resonate in voters' minds."
McCain's spokeswoman, Jill Hazelbaker, said: "He was the only man who demonstrated he had the independence and strength to take on everything that's broken in Washington and on Wall Street."
Meanwhile, Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, claimed victory, saying "he made the case for change that will rebuild the middle class".
"The American people asked tough questions tonight, and only Barack Obama was in touch with their struggles and offered clear and passionate answers about creating jobs, reducing healthcare costs, cutting taxes for 95% of working families, and responsibly ending the war in Iraq," he said.
Plouffe criticised McCain's performance and emphasised the Democratic theme that the 72-year old Arizona senator lacks the temperament to serve as commander-in-chief.
"John McCain was all over the map on the issues, and he is so angry about the state of his campaign that he referred to Barack Obama as 'that one' – last time he couldn't look at Senator Obama, this time he couldn't say his name," Plouffe said, referring to a marquee moment when McCain appeared rude and sarcastic when he referred to his opponent's vote on an energy bill.
Despite the campaigns' efforts to shape the reaction to the debate, in several polls viewers handed the victory to Obama. In a poll of CNN viewers, 54% said Obama won, compared with 30% for McCain.
The debate questions focused largely on the economy. A CBS News poll of roughly 500 viewers after the debate showed that 68% thought Obama would make the right decisions on the economy, compared with 54% before. McCain's percentages rose from 41% to 49% after the debate.
On CNN today, the Republican strategist Ed Rollins, a veteran of Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign, said: "John needed to have a big night. He had an OK night. It ended up a draw at best, and that doesn't change the game".
He criticised McCain's introduction, which gave no detail or explanation of his plan to purchase bad mortgages from homeowners.
The candidates today return to the campaign trail, with McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, reuniting for rallies in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
In an aggressive move into traditionally Republican territory, Obama is scheduled to hold a rally in Indianapolis, Indiana.
US election: Campaigns rush to claim victory in post-debate spinJohn McCain's aides praise Republican's performance in Tennessee despite most polls showing Barack Obama victory
Daniel Nasaw in Washington guardian.co.uk,
Wednesday October 08 2008 14:27 BST
While most early polls crowned Barack Obama the victor in last night's town hall debate, both campaigns today sought to gain an edge in the post-event spin, releasing statements claiming victory.
The debate yielded no obvious result in the Republicans' campaign to reinvigorate John McCain's campaign and boost his poll ratings. However, the Republican party chairman, Mike Duncan, praised McCain's "commitment and decisiveness".
"He has shown he can provide solutions to the real issues hardworking American families are dealing with," Duncan said.
"While Barack Obama postured for political expedience and contradicted his record, John McCain showed true leadership and initiative. The decision for voters was made easier tonight.
"Barack Obama's naivety on foreign policy and his record of supporting tax increases and government spending as opposed to John McCain's leadership and clarity on the issues will resonate in voters' minds."
McCain's spokeswoman, Jill Hazelbaker, said: "He was the only man who demonstrated he had the independence and strength to take on everything that's broken in Washington and on Wall Street."
Meanwhile, Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, claimed victory, saying "he made the case for change that will rebuild the middle class".
"The American people asked tough questions tonight, and only Barack Obama was in touch with their struggles and offered clear and passionate answers about creating jobs, reducing healthcare costs, cutting taxes for 95% of working families, and responsibly ending the war in Iraq," he said.
Plouffe criticised McCain's performance and emphasised the Democratic theme that the 72-year old Arizona senator lacks the temperament to serve as commander-in-chief.
"John McCain was all over the map on the issues, and he is so angry about the state of his campaign that he referred to Barack Obama as 'that one' – last time he couldn't look at Senator Obama, this time he couldn't say his name," Plouffe said, referring to a marquee moment when McCain appeared rude and sarcastic when he referred to his opponent's vote on an energy bill.
Despite the campaigns' efforts to shape the reaction to the debate, in several polls viewers handed the victory to Obama. In a poll of CNN viewers, 54% said Obama won, compared with 30% for McCain.
The debate questions focused largely on the economy. A CBS News poll of roughly 500 viewers after the debate showed that 68% thought Obama would make the right decisions on the economy, compared with 54% before. McCain's percentages rose from 41% to 49% after the debate.
On CNN today, the Republican strategist Ed Rollins, a veteran of Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign, said: "John needed to have a big night. He had an OK night. It ended up a draw at best, and that doesn't change the game".
He criticised McCain's introduction, which gave no detail or explanation of his plan to purchase bad mortgages from homeowners.
The candidates today return to the campaign trail, with McCain and his running mate, Sarah Palin, reuniting for rallies in Pennsylvania and Ohio.
In an aggressive move into traditionally Republican territory, Obama is scheduled to hold a rally in Indianapolis, Indiana.
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Sasa hivi...Britt Hume yuko kwenye Bill O'Reilly radio show na wana i reap vibaya mno Campaign ya McCain. Wanasema McCain Campaign hawana plan..they go day by day based on concurring events of the moment. O'Reilly analalamika kwa nini (Palin) hataki kuja kwenye show yake (The Factor) wakati ana advantage ya audience. Wanamponda Obama na tax policies zake..lakini ni dhahiri kuwa wamekata tamaa na Camp Mac.
Kule kwa Rush...he is going ballistick attacking Tom Brokaw.
Kule kwa Rush...he is going ballistick attacking Tom Brokaw.
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Ha ha ha ha Everybody is jumping from the sinking ship 🙂 before it is too late. C ya in 2012.
Nyani Ngabu
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Yeah...Rush is saying it's not over which is true. You guys want it to be over because you are scared. McCain is going to win and I know it.
Hakuna aliyekata tamaa. Na hata sielewi mnachoshangilia ni nini wakati debate nzima ilikuwa boring. Mnataka kulazimisha watu warushe tauro...hiyo ni dalili ya hofu!!! Nasema tena hakuna aliyekata tamaa and if you think you've got it in the bag then you are in for big disappointment na ndio maana Carvile jana alikuwa anatishia eti kutakuwa na riots Obantu akishindwa.
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Ha ha ha maybe you have a new strategy to steal this coming election just like you did in 2000 and 2004 or to plan another 'terrorist attack' before 4th of November. Not this time my friend. C ya in 2012.
Al Gore was ahead of George W. in the polls with the same margin (11-12 points) in October 2000. Yet he couldn't even win his own state of Tennessee. He had the economy going in his favor but still lost. Obantu in my opinion will do even worse than Al Gore did in 2000 unless Obantu supporters still votes and allow illegal voters to vote. But I expect massive riots from his supporters when Obantu loses.
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So can you project the 2008 election based on the 2000 election trend? Are the issues the same (2000 vs. 2008)? What was the electoral map looked like 4 weeks before the election. What was the incumbent president approval rating 4 weeks before the general election (2000 vs. 2008?) Did the incumbent party win the election? Once you figure out the answers to these questions then we can have a discussion.
Don't just listen to pundits my friend...do a little homework first.
Who doesn't know what happened in Florida?, They stole election in Florida and repeat it in Ohio 2004. Not this time!
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Folks this is funny...kuna mtu amepiga simu kwenye show ya O'Reilly akisema Sen. McCain should have his mother who is almost 100 years old on TV ku plead na American people about how proud he is with his son's military service (crashing an airplane 3 times) to the country and also kusema kwamba John has no anger issue and he is fit to run the country for good 8 years.
Nyani Ngabu
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David Gergen said Obama will lose because of race......
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Hello Nyani, just thought you should know. I went and looked for the results on fox news and to my surprise, hata FOX viewers wamesema BArack Obama alishinda debate???%%%$$
I am surprised at this one................
Obama 60%
McCain 40%
total of 219,875 cast their votes.
Just though you should know.........let me know how it goes
I am surprised at this one................
Obama 60%
McCain 40%
total of 219,875 cast their votes.
Just though you should know.........let me know how it goes
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