Ukweli kuhusu mmiliki wa Yerusalemu

[Adiosamigo]

kaonja umauti kwa Mujibu wa Biblia Takatifu! Hoja yako nini?

Hivi mtu akifa anaweza kurudi duniani? Hebu jaribu wewe unywe sumu kama mkristo wa kweli tuone utarudi duniani😀

 

[Adiosamigo]

Lkn ng'ombe si mbuzi.

Mbona hujibu swali si wote wanyama na wanaliwa.

 

[Anakuja Yesu]

Mbona hujibu swali si wote wanyama na wanaliwa.

Unataka nn lkn ili upewe

 

[Lamdele]

kama mnataka kujua ukweli kuhusu ukristo,someni the parables of jesus especially zenye zinaongelea kuhusu ufalme wa mungu

 

[Gavana]

unajitekenya kisha unacheka uji nga ilimu yoote ninayo kupa bado una wazimu wa maswali View attachment 658700 Yesu na Baba ni kitu Moja View attachment 658701 umekariri ilimu ya mtu aliye logwa humu View attachment 658702 ambaye hadi amemshughulikia maiti View attachment 658703 nakualika uje madrasat nuur bahari jannat kwa shehe kifevu palee kwa mtogole upate ilimu Ghaib dogo...

 

[Gavana]

unajitekenya kisha unacheka uji nga ilimu yoote ninayo kupa bado una wazimu wa maswali View attachment 658700 Yesu na Baba ni kitu Moja View attachment 658701 umekariri ilimu ya mtu aliye logwa humu View attachment 658702 ambaye hadi amemshughulikia maiti View attachment 658703 nakualika uje madrasat nuur bahari jannat kwa shehe kifevu palee kwa mtogole upate ilimu Ghaib dogo...

Often when debates come up with Christians on the divinity of Christ, the passage from chapter ten in the book of John comes up; this passage is verse 30, which basically reads:


30 I and my Father are one


Now I don’t understand why many Christians would quote this verse, specifically Trinitarians, because what does this verse prove? Trinitarians do not believe Jesus is the Father, so why do they quote it? Are they quoting it to try and show that Jesus is equal to the Father? Well that isn’t true, since the Gospel of John shows the opposite, in fact if we quote one verse back we read:


29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


This is verse 29, it comes right before verse 30, and in verse 29 Jesus says the Father is greater than ALL, this obviously includes Jesus since he is not the Father. So therefore how to Christians try and assume that this verse shows equality between Jesus and the Father is beyond me, just a verse before it Jesus says the Father is greater than everyone!


In fact this is not the first time that Jesus says the Father is greater than him, he does it again later:


28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)



So here we once again have Jesus claiming the Father is greater than him, so how is Jesus equal to the Father when Jesus says the contrary? Now Christians have come up with a way of trying to explain this verse off, they say that Jesus was talking as a man here, that as a man the Father is greater than him, they try and say that the Father meant he is greater than Jesus in rank and authority and not in essence.


However so what did Jesus mean in John 10 when Jesus said the Father is greater than ALL? Jesus placed himself in the category of ALL people, so therefore the Christian response will not work for John 10:29. It must be said though that the Christian response does not work for John chapter 14:28 neither, because the Christian argues from silence and is arguing something they have yet to prove. Christians cannot prove that Jesus has 2 natures, they can never get a single quote from the lips of Jesus saying I am man and Divine, that I have 2 natures and I gave one up and took on the man nature, this is non-existent, so therefore the response is from silence provided with no proof or a solid basis.


1-The fact is the Bible shows that the Father is greater than Jesus in essence, the Father is all-knowing and Jesus is not.


2-The Father gives Jesus everything from miracle to doctrine.


3-Jesus begs the Father to save him, obviously showing that life and death is controlled by the Father and NOT Jesus.


For all these arguments the Christian will say as man Jesus is not all-knowing, as man Jesus receives things from the Father, however so I will kindly ask the Christian bring this proof from the words of Jesus, they shall never be able to do it, this doctrine is an invention and not something to be found from Jesus.


So therefore in conclusion, John 10:30 proves nothing in support of the divinity of Jesus, it does not show equality, since Jesus made it clear that the Father is greater than him, so therefore Jesus is not equal with the Father.

 

[Gavana]

unajitekenya kisha unacheka uji nga ilimu yoote ninayo kupa bado una wazimu wa maswali View attachment 658700 Yesu na Baba ni kitu Moja View attachment 658701 umekariri ilimu ya mtu aliye logwa humu View attachment 658702 ambaye hadi amemshughulikia maiti View attachment 658703 nakualika uje madrasat nuur bahari jannat kwa shehe kifevu palee kwa mtogole upate ilimu Ghaib dogo...

PAULO HUYO

 

[Gavana]

ilimu islamu hii ya mtume wa warabu imekulemaza mpaka umekuwa na akili kilema...nina uhakika haiwezekani mwanadamu kuweza kuwa Mungu jee?! Mungu hana Uwezo wa kuwa Mwanadamu? nimekuuliza hilo swali kulingana na aya zako ulizo jaza wala hazina mushkeli Biblia ilikuwa inamuongelea Yesu ktk Hali yake ya Ubinadamu View attachment 658895 Kamili...labda ungejenga hoja kwamba Mungu hana Uwezo kihivyo ili ufe kaafir

Biblia inamuongelea Yesu au Yesu anajiongelea mwenyewe ??

John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing

 

[mgen]

Often when debates come up with Christians on the divinity of Christ, the passage from chapter ten in the book of John comes up; this passage is verse 30, which basically reads:


30 I and my Father are one


Now I don’t understand why many Christians would quote this verse, specifically Trinitarians, because what does this verse prove? Trinitarians do not believe Jesus is the Father, so why do they quote it? Are they quoting it to try and show that Jesus is equal to the Father? Well that isn’t true, since the Gospel of John shows the opposite, in fact if we quote one verse back we read:


29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


This is verse 29, it comes right before verse 30, and in verse 29 Jesus says the Father is greater than ALL, this obviously includes Jesus since he is not the Father. So therefore how to Christians try and assume that this verse shows equality between Jesus and the Father is beyond me, just a verse before it Jesus says the Father is greater than everyone!


In fact this is not the first time that Jesus says the Father is greater than him, he does it again later:


28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I (John 14:28)



So here we once again have Jesus claiming the Father is greater than him, so how is Jesus equal to the Father when Jesus says the contrary? Now Christians have come up with a way of trying to explain this verse off, they say that Jesus was talking as a man here, that as a man the Father is greater than him, they try and say that the Father meant he is greater than Jesus in rank and authority and not in essence.


However so what did Jesus mean in John 10 when Jesus said the Father is greater than ALL? Jesus placed himself in the category of ALL people, so therefore the Christian response will not work for John 10:29. It must be said though that the Christian response does not work for John chapter 14:28 neither, because the Christian argues from silence and is arguing something they have yet to prove. Christians cannot prove that Jesus has 2 natures, they can never get a single quote from the lips of Jesus saying I am man and Divine, that I have 2 natures and I gave one up and took on the man nature, this is non-existent, so therefore the response is from silence provided with no proof or a solid basis.


1-The fact is the Bible shows that the Father is greater than Jesus in essence, the Father is all-knowing and Jesus is not.


2-The Father gives Jesus everything from miracle to doctrine.


3-Jesus begs the Father to save him, obviously showing that life and death is controlled by the Father and NOT Jesus.


For all these arguments the Christian will say as man Jesus is not all-knowing, as man Jesus receives things from the Father, however so I will kindly ask the Christian bring this proof from the words of Jesus, they shall never be able to do it, this doctrine is an invention and not something to be found from Jesus.


So therefore in conclusion, John 10:30 proves nothing in support of the divinity of Jesus, it does not show equality, since Jesus made it clear that the Father is greater than him, so therefore Jesus is not equal with the Father.

PAULO HUYO

Biblia inamuongelea Yesu au Yesu anajiongelea mwenyewe ??

John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing

Hebu twambie humu wakti Yesu alipokuwa ktk hali ya ubinadamu Kamili

ulitaka aongeeje??? kama wewe kidume weka hoja humu kwamba uwezo wa kihivyo Mungu amepungukiwa umebakia kumbainisha Yesu akiwa katika hali yake ya kibinadamu kwani hakuna Mkristo anae bishia...

 

[mgen]

Biblia inamuongelea Yesu au Yesu anajiongelea mwenyewe ??

John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing

ulitakakaje??

 

[mgen]

Hivi mtu akifa anaweza kurudi duniani? Hebu jaribu wewe unywe sumu kama mkristo wa kweli tuone utarudi duniani😀

kwa mwanadamu haiwezekani jee kwa qulu faya qun haiwezekani? jibu kafir innsui wee

 

[JEKI]

Nakuja.

 

[kahtaan]

Msalaba kwa wanao potea kwao ni uupuuzi.

~Ulivyo sema ndivyo ilivyo hakufa tu kuja kuchukua dhambi zetu bali kutuweka huru tena huru mbali na dhadhi.na damu yake ingali ikinena mema.

~shida yako ni moja unataka kujua habari za upande wa pili wakati ww hauta kusaidia.

~Uswe tutikulonda i nongwa waefeso 6:12

Andiko linasema ktk WAGALATIA 6:5 kuwa "kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake mwenyewe"
na kwenye kwaya zenu mnatuimbia kila siku hili andiko .
Leo iweje mizigo yenu ya dhambi mumbebeshe Yesu ambae hakufanya hayo madhambi?
Yaani Wewe uzini na kuiba pesa za wanakondoo kisha Dhambi Abebe Yesu? hii kweli inaingia akili?

 

[kamdudu]

Biblia sio neno la Mungu 100% kwa hio waliopotea wote(wakristo) ndio wanaoifuata.

Jee.... Kati ya Biblia zote hapo ni ipi
mwaifata nyinyi.... @ Wakristo?.
kuna New International Version, New
King James Version (NKJV),New Life
Version (NLV), New Living Translation
(NLT), New Revised Standard Version,
Anglicised (NRSVA),
New Revised Standard Version Catholic
Edition (NRSVCE), Orthodox Jewish
Bible (OJB, Young's Literal Translation

Jamani huyu roho mtakatifu gani anaeleta
biblia tofauti kila leo?
1. 1881 westcott-Hort new testament
2. 21st century King James Version
3. 21st Century New Testament
4. American Standard Version (ASV)
5. Amplified Bible
6. Analytical-Literal Version 7. Ancient
Roots Translinear Bible
8. Apocalypse of John: A Poem of Terrible
Beauty, The
9. Apostles Bible, The
10. Apostles New Covenant, The
11. Aramaic Peshitta New Testament
Translation
12. Aramaic-English Interlinear New
Testament
13. Better Life Bible, The
14.Book of Yahweh, The
15. Bos Septuagint 16. Brenton's
Translation of the
Septuagint
17. Christian Bible
18. Concordant Greek Text
19. Concordant Literal New Testament
20. Concordant Version of the Old

 

[Anakuja Yesu]

Andiko linasema ktk WAGALATIA 6:5 kuwa "kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake mwenyewe"
na kwenye kwaya zenu mnatuimbia kila siku hili andiko .
Leo iweje mizigo yenu ya dhambi mumbebeshe Yesu ambae hakufanya hayo madhambi?
Yaani Wewe uzini na kuiba pesa za wanakondoo kisha Dhambi Abebe Yesu? hii kweli inaingia akili?

Utajifunza kila siku lkn usifikie ujuzi wa kweli.Biblia sio gazeti.na kwakua huna Roho Mt.huta kaa uelewa.unadamu ya kujiokoa ww?au damu zenu zenye magonjwa unafikiri zitakusaidia?

~Ww endelea kubeba ww mwenyewe dhambi zako,mimi namtwika YESU fadhaha zangu,na aliubeba msalaba kwa ajili yangu sio yako mkuu yangu mm.

 

[kahtaan]

Utajifunza kila siku lkn usifikie ujuzi wa kweli.Biblia sio gazeti.na kwakua huna Roho Mt.huta kaa uelewa.unadamu ya kujiokoa ww?au damu zenu zenye magonjwa unafikiri zitakusaidia?

~Ww endelea kubeba ww mwenyewe dhambi zako,mimi namtwika YESU fadhaha zangu,na aliubeba msalaba kwa ajili yangu sio yako mkuu yangu mm.

Sasa kati yangu mimi na wewe ni nani anaesoma Biblia kama Gazeti?
andiko linasema Kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake mwenyewe. wewe unasema Wa kwako utamtwisha Yesu.!
teh teh teh.
Hapa kazi ipo.

 

[Anakuja Yesu]

Sasa kati yangu mimi na wewe ni nani anaesoma Biblia kama Gazeti?
andiko linasema Kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake mwenyewe. wewe unasema Wa kwako utamtwisha Yesu.!
teh teh teh.
Hapa kazi ipo.

Nimekuelewa mkuu umeshinda,ila mm niache hivihivi,kuvaa kiatu cha mwebrania ni tatizo huta weza bora kila mchu avae chake

 

[kahtaan]

Nimekuelewa mkuu umeshinda,ila mm niache hivihivi,kuvaa kiatu cha mwebrania ni tatizo huta weza bora kila mchu avae chake

hatushindani ndugu. bali tunaelekezana
mimi sintopenda wewe uingia ktk Moto wa milele.
Dhambi zako fanya toba mwenyewe kwa Mungu mmoja..wala usitegemee kuna mwingine atabeba Dhambi zako.
na.Epuka ibada ya sanamu kwani Yesu aliikemea.sana na Andiko limepiga marufuku kwa kusema.

KUTOKA 20:1 – 6 MUNGU akanena maneno haya yote akasema, mimi ni Bwana, MUNGU wako niliyekutoa katika nchi ya Misri katika nyumba ya utumwa. Usiwe na miungu mingine ila mimi. Usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga, wala mfano wa kitu chochote kilichopo juu mbinguni, wala kilichopo duniani wala kilichopo majini chini ya dunia. Usivisujudie wala kuvitumikia, kwa kuwa mimi BWANA MUNGU wako ni MUNGU mwenye wivu, nawapatiliza wana maovu ya baba zao, hata kizazi cha tatu na cha nne cha wanichukizao. Nami nawarehemu maelfu wanipendao, na kuzishika amri zangu.

 

[Anakuja Yesu]

hatushindani ndugu. bali tunaelekezana
mimi sintopenda wewe uingia ktk Moto wa milele.
Dhambi zako fanya toba mwenyewe kwa Mungu mmoja..wala usitegemee kuna mwingine atabeba Dhambi zako.
na.Epuka ibada ya sanamu kwani Yesu aliikemea.sana na Andiko limepiga marufuku kwa kusema.

KUTOKA 20:1 – 6 MUNGU akanena maneno haya yote akasema, mimi ni Bwana, MUNGU wako niliyekutoa katika nchi ya Misri katika nyumba ya utumwa. Usiwe na miungu mingine ila mimi. Usijifanyie sanamu ya kuchonga, wala mfano wa kitu chochote kilichopo juu mbinguni, wala kilichopo duniani wala kilichopo majini chini ya dunia. Usivisujudie wala kuvitumikia, kwa kuwa mimi BWANA MUNGU wako ni MUNGU mwenye wivu, nawapatiliza wana maovu ya baba zao, hata kizazi cha tatu na cha nne cha wanichukizao. Nami nawarehemu maelfu wanipendao, na kuzishika amri zangu.

Najua ww unaelewa zaidi dini zote,na ndio maana siwezi kushindana na mtu anaejua kila kitu.

~Mimi nayenyekea kwa Bwana ili anifundishe yy.pia huo moto mm sita ingia maana nafanya map3nzi ya Mungu hivo na neema ingali bado ipo kwangu.

~Kikubwa kwangu ANAKUJA YESU

 

[kahtaan]

Najua ww unaelewa zaidi dini zote,na ndio maana siwezi kushindana na mtu anaejua kila kitu.

~Mimi nayenyekea kwa Bwana ili anifundishe yy.pia huo moto mm sita ingia maana nafanya map3nzi ya Mungu hivo na neema ingali bado ipo kwangu.

~Kikubwa kwangu ANAKUJA YESU

hakuna anaekwazika kwa wewe kunyeyekea Bwana.
tatizo linakuja unapoandika kwenye mitandao ya Jamii km hii kuwa DHAMBI ZAKO Utamtwisha Kiumbe mwingine ambae HAKUWAHI KUZIFANYA halafu ukaona hio ni Sawa.
tusipo elezea andiko limesema nini juu ya haya maneno yako Huenda UKAPOTEZA WENGINE na.ukawaacha watu waendelee kuzini na.kuiba wakiwa na Imani dhambi zao ATABEBA YESU. Hilo halipo kaka.
DHAMBI ZAKO UTABEBA WEWE MWENYEWE ULIEZIFANYA.

Halafu Ogopa sana kujiona msafi. manake andiko limemlaani na kumkemea anaejiona Kaongoka.