Three Tanzanians found guilty of plot to kill ex-Rwanda army chief

[jMali]

Mbona unasoma mambo selectively, naona unahangaika kuniita Mtutsi simply because niko open minded. Bwana wee, kuna jinsi historia ya Rwanda inafahamika dunia yote, kama una taarifa tofauti, mbona usiweke na pamoja na ushahidi. Vyombo vya habari dunia yote vilitangaza jinsi Watutsi karibu milioni na Wahutu kadhaa walivyouawa, movie zimetengenezwa vile vile, sasa utabaki kuwaita watu wote dunia yote kuwa Watutsi.
Mwenyewe umeandika kuwa ni Kagame aliua na si vile tumeambiwa muda wote na vyombo vya habari, sasa badala ya kuleta ushahidi unabaki kurusha accusations na kusoma taarifa selectively. Aidha unacheza tu siasa.

Hahahaa. hizo za kwenye red zinatoka straight out of the tutsi's propaganda book, i know them by heart nowadays, ungeanza na moja ningemalizia zingine:
interahamwe, revisionist, genocide denier, genocide minimizer, history changer.....
you obviously belong to this group talked about in this report HAPA CHINI, your work station being KENYA!

read here:
http://rwandansrights.org/wp-conten...-harass-in-the-name-of-dignity-APRIL-2013.pdf

 

[MK254]

sasa mbona unajichanganya. interahamwe si utaifa, unaweza ukawa interahamwe na ukawa MTANZANIA. kama ambavyo wewe na lawmaina78 ni raia wa mataifa tofauti lakini wote watutsi. Unless of course kama una-allege kuwa nilikimbia 1994, which is impossible kwa kuwa i was very young then, vile vile ingekuwa ujinga kwangu kusifia operesheni kimbunga kwenye https://www.jamiiforums.com/international-forum/580728-uraia-wa-watutsi.html wakati mimi mwenyewe mhamiaji haramu!
jambo la pili ni ukweli kuwa my views ndio views za watanzania wote humu JF, ndio maana mmevumbua tactic ya kuanzisha ID kumi kumi kama MAHORO na wengineo kwa ajili ya kuonyesha kuwa labda kuna watu wengine wanamtetea kagame like you. If my views zinanifanya mimi kuwa interahamwe, basi nadhani watanzania wote ni interahamwe. No wonder hata rais wetu naye anaitwa interahamwe na media za kwenu.

Hahaha!! nimeipenda hii, yaani sasa mimi nimekua Mtutsi kwa ajili ya kuhoji kauli zako zenye hazina ushahidi. Dah! labda kuna ukweli maana kawaida mimi huwa mrefu wa kimo na jamaa walivyo warefu. Ntafuatilia genealogy yangu na labda ikatokea kweli, nitarudi nyumbani. Kwa muda nimetamani Rwanda kiaina, vile jamaa wameibuka kuwa the most competitive nation in East and Central Africa, ila Kagame ana sifa mbaya za kukandamiza demokrasia, lakini ya nini kama nchi inaendelea vizuri na kumaliza umaskini.

Wafrika bado hatuna haja na hizi demokrasia za kurudisha uchumi nyuma, tuige Wachina.

 

[jMali]

Hahaha!! nimeipenda hii, yaani sasa mimi nimekua Mtutsi kwa ajili ya kuhoji kauli zako zenye hazina ushahidi. Dah! labda kuna ukweli maana kawaida mimi huwa mrefu wa kimo na jamaa walivyo warefu. Ntafuatilia genealogy yangu na labda ikatokea kweli, nitarudi nyumbani. Kwa muda nimetamani Rwanda kiaina, vile jamaa wameibuka kuwa the most competitive nation in East and Central Africa, ila Kagame ana sifa mbaya za kukandamiza demokrasia, lakini ya nini kama nchi inaendelea vizuri na kumaliza umaskini.

Wafrika bado hatuna haja na hizi demokrasia za kurudisha uchumi nyuma, tuige Wachina.

Acha zako wewe uko hapa:
http://rwandansrights.org/wp-conten...-harass-in-the-name-of-dignity-APRIL-2013.pdf

 

[MK254]

Hahahaa. hizo za kwenye red zinatoka straight out of the tutsi's propaganda book, i know them by heart nowadays, ungeanza na moja ningemalizia zingine:
interahamwe, revisionist, genocide denier, genocide minimizer, history changer.....
you obviously belong to this group talked about in this report HAPA CHINI, your work station being KENYA!

read here:
http://rwandansrights.org/wp-conten...-harass-in-the-name-of-dignity-APRIL-2013.pdf

You making me admire Kagame and his leadership even more if he is capable of doing this. Well thanks for making me a staff in the espionage game. Sounds a bit heroic.

 

[jMali]

You making me admire Kagame and his leadership even more if he is capable of doing this. Well thanks for making me a staff in the espionage game. Sounds a bit heroic.

sounds pathetic if you ask me, i pity you, you are a victim of Stockholm syndrome. watanzania wanaenda Jkt kujifunza uzalendo kwa nchi, nyinyi mnaenda kujifunza uzalendo kwa kagame.

 

[MK254]

sounds pathetic if you ask me, i pity you, you are a victim of Stockholm syndrome. watanzania wanaenda Jkt kujifunza uzalendo kwa nchi, nyinyi mnaenda kujifunza uzalendo kwa kagame.

Uzalendo sio kitu cha kujifunza, kinafaa kuja naturally kwa jinsi nchi yako inavyo ongozwa na waliopo kwenye uongozi. Kiongozi wa nchi akiwa bora, atafanya wananchi wake wawe wazalendo hata bila wao kuhudhuria mafunzo yoyote. Unaweza ukahudhuria mafunzo hayo halafu unaporudi kuitumikia nchi yako ukute ilishauzwa.

 

[jMali]

Uzalendo sio kitu cha kujifunza, kinafaa kuja naturally kwa jinsi nchi yako inavyo ongozwa na waliopo kwenye uongozi. Kiongozi wa nchi akiwa bora, atafanya wananchi wake wawe wazalendo hata bila wao kuhudhuria mafunzo yoyote. Unaweza ukahudhuria mafunzo hayo halafu unaporudi kuitumikia nchi yako ukute ilishauzwa.

Kwa hiyo kagame uzalendo wake ni wa nchi gani?

 

[MK254]

Kwa hiyo kagame uzalendo wake ni wa nchi gani?

Hilo kamuulize wewe.

Ila ninacho fahamu Kagame game yake ya espionage hakuna anayeiweza Afrika yote. Siku moja niliona mrembo Mkenya analalamika kwenye gazeti Kenya eti Mnyarwanda fulani kaomba wawe wapenzi na kumuahidi wataoana mradi demu atakapopata mimba. Jamaa alitumia hela nyingi sana kwa huyo mwanamke ili apate mimba yeake, na alipotunga tu jamaa akatoweka.

Hiyo ilionyesha jinsi kuna mchezo wa kuhakikisha EAC imejaa Wanyarwanda, na hatukwepi. Huu ndio mchezo Jews hucheza dunia na kuwa na uwezo wa kuongoza siasa hata za Wamarekani.

 

[jMali]

Hilo kamuulize wewe.

Ila ninacho fahamu Kagame game yake ya espionage hakuna anayeiweza Afrika yote. Siku moja niliona mrembo Mkenya analalamika kwenye gazeti Kenya eti Mnyarwanda fulani kaomba wawe wapenzi na kumuahidi wataoana mradi demu atakapopata mimba. Jamaa alitumia hela nyingi sana kwa huyo mwanamke ili apate mimba yeake, na alipotunga tu jamaa akatoweka.

Hiyo ilionyesha jinsi kuna mchezo wa kuhakikisha EAC imejaa Wanyarwanda, na hatukwepi. Huu ndio mchezo Jews hucheza dunia na kuwa na uwezo wa kuongoza siasa hata za Wamarekani.

Espionage gani ya kijinga hiyo ambayo kila kitu kiko wazi? wenye espionage ya uhakika ni wale ambao huwezi jua lolote kuhusu mipango yao. We unaona vipi "espionage game" ya Rwanda iko juu ikiwa kila wanachofanya dunia nzima tunajua: wao kutumia balozi kama center za uhalifu inajulikana ndio maana Kenya, south africa, nchi za europe kote huko huwa wanafukuza Rwandan diplomats, mambo ya M23 kila mtu anajua ni Rwanda mpaka UN imetoa ripoti to that effect, sasa hapo intelligence iko wapi? Wenye intelligence/espionage ni sisi ambao nobody knows tunafanya nini.
Huo mfano wako sijui hata niuelezeje, labda nikuulize swali: Kama huyo mnyarwanda baba mtu kakimbia mimba, huyo mtoto atakayezaliwa atajuaje kama yeye ni mnyarwanda? mama yake si atamlea as a kenyan? what connection would that child have with Rwanda? he won't speak kinyarwanda, won't grow up in Rwanda, he is definitely not a refugee since he would be born in kenya by a kenyan woman...etc. Naomba jibu tafadhali.

 

[MK254]

Espionage gani ya kijinga hiyo ambayo kila kitu kiko wazi? wenye espionage ya uhakika ni wale ambao huwezi jua lolote kuhusu mipango yao. We unaona vipi "espionage game" ya Rwanda iko juu ikiwa kila wanachofanya dunia nzima tunajua: wao kutumia balozi kama center za uhalifu inajulikana ndio maana Kenya, south africa, nchi za europe kote huko huwa wanafukuza Rwandan diplomats, mambo ya M23 kila mtu anajua ni Rwanda mpaka UN imetoa ripoti to that effect, sasa hapo intelligence iko wapi? Wenye intelligence/espionage ni sisi ambao nobody knows tunafanya nini.
Huo mfano wako sijui hata niuelezeje, labda nikuulize swali: Kama huyo mnyarwanda baba mtu kakimbia mimba, huyo mtoto atakayezaliwa atajuaje kama yeye ni mnyarwanda? mama yake si atamlea as a kenyan? what connection would that child have with Rwanda? he won't speak kinyarwanda, won't grow up in Rwanda, he is definitely not a refugee since he would be born in kenya by a kenyan woman...etc. Naomba jibu tafadhali.

Kama huoni umuhimu hapo then hata wewe game yako iko chini mbaya sana, mwisho wa siku mtoto akishakua mtu mzima na kwa bahati apate nafasi ya influence na lazima atamuuliza mama yake kuhusu asili yake. Bila shaka mama atamueleza na ukweli na jamaa itamlazimu kuhakikisha babu zake hawazinguliwi. Kuna fununu nishasikia kwamba Museveni ana asili ya Rwanda.
Sasa ukisambaza mbegu EAC yote, una uhakika wa future protection. Kagame ni kiboko.

 

[jMali]

Kama huoni umuhimu hapo then hata wewe game yako iko chini mbaya sana, mwisho wa siku mtoto akishakua mtu mzima na kwa bahati apate nafasi ya influence na lazima atamuuliza mama yake kuhusu asili yake. Bila shaka mama atamueleza na ukweli na jamaa itamlazimu kuhakikisha babu zake hawazinguliwi. Kuna fununu nishasikia kwamba Museveni ana asili ya Rwanda.
Sasa ukisambaza mbegu EAC yote, una uhakika wa future protection. Kagame ni kiboko.

Kama baba alikuwa mhutu je? do you expect the same outcome ya mtoto kuhakikisha "babu zake" hawazinguliwi? Museveni hana asili ya Rwanda, ana asili ya Ankole which is related to the tutsi not Rwanda!

 

[MK254]

Kama baba alikuwa mhutu je? do you expect the same outcome ya mtoto kuhakikisha "babu zake" hawazinguliwi? Museveni hana asili ya Rwanda, ana asili ya Ankole which is related to the tutsi not Rwanda!

Espionage haifanywi kunufaisha kabila moja, ila kwa ajili ya nchi, hivyo awe Mhutu ama Mtutsi mwisho wa siku babu zake watakua asili yao ni Rwanda. In-fact njia rahisi ya kuzuia future genocide ni hiyo.

 

[jMali]

Espionage haifanywi kunufaisha kabila moja, ila kwa ajili ya nchi, hivyo awe Mhutu ama Mtutsi mwisho wa siku babu zake watakua asili yao ni Rwanda. In-fact njia rahisi ya kuzuia future genocide ni hiyo.

sawa sawa, let's apply your theory using thousands of Hutu kids born to Hutu refugees in the eastern Congo.

 

[MK254]

sawa sawa, let's apply your theory using thousands of Hutu kids born to Hutu refugees in the eastern Congo.

Such games are played by governments, not kids in refugee camps.

 

[jMali]

Such games are played by governments, not kids in refugee camps.

hahahaha. sasa mbona unaanza kuchanganya mambo? umesema yule mtoto wa mama mkenya ni sehemu ya mkakati wa kagame kuendesha EAC, nikasema sawa, right now there are NOT ONE, BUT THOUSANDS of Hutu kids born by Bonafide Rwandan refugees in eastern DRC. Why can't these also be part of this conspiracy of kagame to run EAC?

 

[MK254]

hahahaha. sasa mbona unaanza kuchanganya mambo? umesema yule mtoto wa mama mkenya ni sehemu ya mkakati wa kagame kuendesha EAC, nikasema sawa, right now there are NOT ONE, BUT THOUSANDS of Hutu kids born by Bonafide Rwandan refugees in eastern DRC. Why can't these also be part of this conspiracy of kagame to run EAC?

Wewe ndo umechanganyikiwa, can you reason for a moment reason without your hate on Kagame. How would anyone use subject children into refugee in order to carry out espionage. Naona unechoka akili kalale.

 

[jMali]

Wewe ndo umechanganyikiwa, can you reason for a moment reason without your hate on Kagame. How would anyone use subject children into refugee in order to carry out espionage. Naona unechoka akili kalale.

Hahahaha unanikumbusha ndugu mmoja anaitwa Commanche huwa akipigwa nondo anajichanganya mwenyewe kama ulivyofanya, funny how you kagame cheerleaders mnafanana kila kitu kuanzia maneno yenu mpaka huku kujichanganya...very interesting!
Anyway, let me remind you. WEWE NDIO ULIEDAI WANYARWANDA/KAGAME WANAZALISHA WANAWAKE KENYA, IN A CALCULATED MOVE ILI WAJE KUTEKA EAC BAADAE. Rudia maneno yako chini hapo. Why are you arguing with yourself?

Kama huoni umuhimu hapo then hata wewe game yako iko chini mbaya sana, mwisho wa siku mtoto akishakua mtu mzima na kwa bahati apate nafasi ya influence na lazima atamuuliza mama yake kuhusu asili yake. Bila shaka mama atamueleza na ukweli na jamaa itamlazimu kuhakikisha babu zake hawazinguliwi. Kuna fununu nishasikia kwamba Museveni ana asili ya Rwanda.
Sasa ukisambaza mbegu EAC yote, una uhakika wa future protection. Kagame ni kiboko.

 

[MK254]

Hahahaha unanikumbusha ndugu mmoja anaitwa Commanche huwa akipigwa nondo anajichanganya mwenyewe kama ulivyofanya, funny how you kagame cheerleaders mnafanana kila kitu kuanzia maneno yenu mpaka huku kujichanganya...very interesting!
Anyway, let me remind you. WEWE NDIO ULIEDAI WANYARWANDA/KAGAME WANAZALISHA WANAWAKE KENYA, IN A CALCULATED MOVE ILI WAJE KUTEKA EAC BAADAE. Rudia maneno yako chini hapo. Why are you arguing with yourself?

Nimekuomba kidogo uweke chuki zako kwa Kagame halafu ureason objectively, baadaye uzikusanye na kuzivaa tena.
- Hakuna sehemu nilisema Kagame ana nia ya kuteka EAC
- Nilipeana mfano wa mwanadada aliyedai kuzalishwa na jamaa aliyemuomba sana wazae, halafu jamaa akatoweka, kuwa games za espionage huchezwa hivyo, kuhakikisha mbengu yenu iko huko nje na ikatokea wakawa watawala, hamuwezi kupigwa kama wametulia, nikakupa mfano wa Wayahudi jinsi wanaicheza pale Marekani
- Wewe nawe aidha kwa ulevi ama umechoka akili ukaburuza watoto wenye wako kwenye refugee camps ambao hata sijui inahusu vipi.

 

[jMali]

Nimekuomba kidogo uweke chuki zako kwa Kagame halafu ureason objectively, baadaye uzikusanye na kuzivaa tena.
- Hakuna sehemu nilisema Kagame ana nia ya kuteka EAC
- Nilipeana mfano wa mwanadada aliyedai kuzalishwa na jamaa aliyemuomba sana wazae, halafu jamaa akatoweka, kuwa games za espionage huchezwa hivyo, kuhakikisha mbengu yenu iko huko nje na ikatokea wakawa watawala, hamuwezi kupigwa kama wametulia, nikakupa mfano wa Wayahudi jinsi wanaicheza pale Marekani
- Wewe nawe aidha kwa ulevi ama umechoka akili ukaburuza watoto wenye wako kwenye refugee camps ambao hata sijui inahusu vipi.

uppercut, chembe, kidevu... lazima ukae! twende kwa ushahidi acha hii mambo yako ya "nilisema this or that", kwani si everything is here?

1. You said this:

Kama huoni umuhimu hapo then hata wewe game yako iko chini mbaya sana, mwisho wa siku mtoto akishakua mtu mzima na kwa bahati apate nafasi ya influence na lazima atamuuliza mama yake kuhusu asili yake. Bila shaka mama atamueleza na ukweli na jamaa itamlazimu kuhakikisha babu zake hawazinguliwi. Kuna fununu nishasikia kwamba Museveni ana asili ya Rwanda.
Sasa ukisambaza mbegu EAC yote, una uhakika wa future protection. Kagame ni kiboko.

2. Mimi nikajibu this:

sawa sawa, let's apply your theory using thousands of Hutu kids born to Hutu refugees in the eastern Congo.

Sasa hapo usichoelewa ni kitu gani? nimelinganisha MTOTO MMOJA aliyezaliwa kenya na wazazi mnyarwanda+mkenya, VS WATOTO MAELFU waliozaliwa DRC na wazazi WANYARWANDA.
Was it me niliyeanzisha hii maneno ya watoto? wewe umeanzisha hoja ambayo hujui jinsi ya kuijibu unajichanganya tu.

Narudia tena swali: Umesema huyo mtoto wa mnyarwanda nchini kenya, akiwa mkubwa atatetea nchi yake Rwanda. Nikakukumbusha kuwa kuna watoto wamezaliwa DRC nao ni wanyarwanda vile vile, je hawa wakiwa wakubwa watatetea nchi yao vile vile? Ukaanza kudata why? mbona swali rahisi sana hili? :A S wink:

 

[MK254]

uppercut, chembe, kidevu... lazima ukae! twende kwa ushahidi acha hii mambo yako ya "nilisema this or that", kwani si everything is here?

1. You said this:




2. Mimi nikajibu this:


Sasa hapo usichoelewa ni kitu gani? nimelinganisha MTOTO MMOJA aliyezaliwa kenya na wazazi mnyarwanda+mkenya, VS WATOTO MAELFU waliozaliwa DRC na wazazi WANYARWANDA.
Was it me niliyeanzisha hii maneno ya watoto? wewe umeanzisha hoja ambayo hujui jinsi ya kuijibu unajichanganya tu.

Narudia tena swali: Umesema huyo mtoto wa mnyarwanda nchini kenya, akiwa mkubwa atatetea nchi yake Rwanda. Nikakukumbusha kuwa kuna watoto wamezaliwa DRC nao ni wanyarwanda vile vile, je hawa wakiwa wakubwa watatetea nchi yao vile vile? Ukaanza kudata why? mbona swali rahisi sana hili? :A S wink:

Unacheza siasa ila huna uzoefu, mimi nilikupa mfano wa uwezekano wa watoto kuzaliwa strategically, wewe ukaburuta a whole refugee camp ambayo sioni vile inaingiana na mipango ya espionage. Kama hujui kucheza siasa naona utahangaika sana.