This is so embarassing

[mkuyati og]

Kweli kabisa, tunahitaji kubadirika

KUBADILIKA

 

[mkuyati og]

I am a scholar, I don't use or refer to peoples like him to reinforce my arguments simply because, Joseph mbilinyi is not an authority or a reliable and credible source

Again, it's "People". Peoples sounds "informal"

 

[mkuyati og]

Yeah, I can't see what is going on in your brains. Buy they way you comment, says it all, that you are stupid. It helps me to dissect you and get a clear picture of how and what you think

buy the way? ? Seriously? "it helps me 'to' dissect you and get a clear picture of how and what you think"?? I honestly find no reason to believe that such flaws have anything to do with a proficient and learned brother.

I guess that's what books do to people who don't read btn the lines...they turn bookish!! That's their definition of the word formal, coz in the midst of all the hype wote tunalingana tu.

 

[Panzermeyer]

KUBADILIKA

Hope you are doing this for the right reasons and personal issues. I appreciate your efforts, thank you.

 

[Panzermeyer]

buy the way? ? Seriously? "it helps me 'to' dissect you and get a clear picture of how and what you think"?? I honestly find no reason to believe that such flaws have anything to do with a proficient and learned brother.

I guess that's what books do to people who don't read btn the lines...they turn bookish!! That's their definition of the word formal, coz in the midst of all the hype wote tunalingana tu.

His flaws raised a red flag. Was trying to talk sense to him because he thinks, just because thinking is free, then it doesn't have boundaries. When a person advances an argument, the same has to share a positive correlation with the topic, anything said, contrary to the topic ( context) is irrational, hence I don't consider it as thinking at all

 

[Tyetyetye]

Kuna rafiki yangu kamaliza masters mwaka jana, aliniambia hajawahi kununua wala kusoma gazeti lililoandikwa kwa kiingereza, pia hawezi kusoma hata ukurasa mmoja wa gazeti la kiingereza. Homework alikuwa anatoa pesa wanamfanyia, research proposal na research paper alilipa milion 1.6.
Akiongea kiingereza ni kama darasa la nne la shule ya kata. Mbaya zaidi wapo wengi wanahitimu kwa mtindo huo. Tz tuko pabaya sana

 

[Panzermeyer]

Kuna rafiki yangu kamaliza masters mwaka jana, aliniambia hajawahi kununua wala kusoma gazeti lililoandikwa kwa kiingereza, pia hawezi kusoma hata ukurasa mmoja wa gazeti la kiingereza. Homework alikuwa anatoa pesa wanamfanyia, research proposal na research paper alilipa milion 1.6.
Akiongea kiingereza ni kama darasa la nne la shule ya kata. Mbaya zaidi wapo wengi wanahitimu kwa mtindo huo. Tz tuko pabaya sana

Ni sheedah mkuu. Kuna watu hawaoni kama hili ni tatizo

 

[IROKOS]

unajua mnatuchosha na hivyo vingereza vyenu eeh.??mi ukimlahumu MTU kwa kutojua lugha yake ya asili ntakuelewa Ila hizi lugha nyingine naona kawaida tu...kidogo unachokijua kinatosha kabisa kufanya mambo yako.

Take it from me hata hicho Kiswahili fasaha hawakijui mkuu ndo maana yule mchina akafanya vizuri kuliko wenye lugha yao.

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

Morning everyone. Hope all is well with you

Naskitika sana kuona vijana wasomi wa vyuo vikuu hawawezi hata kujieleza au kuongea kiingereza kilichonyooka. Na hii inatoka na mtindo wa maisha ( life style) zao. Unakuta mtu anafatilia cheap materials mda wote. Yaani vipindi anavyofatilia au magazines anazosoma hazimjengi hata kidogo.

Matokeo yake sasa, akiandika status kama ni Facebook au WhatsApp yaani ni mvurugano tu wa tense na grammar. Wakati mwingine unashindwa hata kuelewa alikua anamaana gani.

Jamani maisha ni malengo na hayaishii kwenye kutaka kua na kazi nzuri tu, kua na uwezo wa kutunza familia nk, hapana. Msomi inabidi uwe na uwezo wa kuongea lugha nzuri ( formal language) ukipewa nafasi kama ni kwenye interview, kazini, chombo cha habari nk. Hauwezi fahamu lugha rasmi kama haufatilii vitu vya msingi kama, international news, reading newspapers, reading novels, watch documentaries nk. Ukiendelea kufatilia vi-drama series trust me, you will get no where with your career.

Na nnaomba nieleweke vzur, maisha sio vita. Simaanishi kua tuwe tunasoma habari mda wote, tuwe tunasoma magezeti mda wote hapana, namaanisha tuwe na mda wa entertainment, kufatilia izo drama, cartoons nk, lakini pia tuwe na mda wa kufatilia vitu vya msingi.

Bahati mbaya sana ni kwamba, entertainments in most cases zinatumia informal languages ambazo hazikujengi kujifunza formal language. Sasa informal language hauwez kuitumia kwenye mazingira maalumu. Kuna faida nyingi sana za kujua formal language. Mfano, itakusaidia kupata ufahamu wa mambo ya msingi ( it will increase your knowledge ) kwasababu informal language inatumika kwenye mambo ya msingi kama habari, magazetini, vipindi maalumu nk

Ukijua formal language, unaweza shangaa unapata kazi na kuwaacha hata wale wenye GPA kubwaaa nk. Unaweza pewa kazi ya kuandika report au chochote tu kwenye mazingira ya kazi alfu ukashangaa kutoka a na uhandishi wako mzuri ukapanda cheo, au ukapata faida flani ivi kutokana na utendaji wako mzuri wa kazi. Ukiwa masomi inabidi uwe na malengo ya kuweza kutetea usomi wako, kuidhihirishia jamii kua wewe ni mtu unayeishi kuendana na matukio yote na mabadiriko ya dunia.

In the end, we are what we feed ourselves with. Ukiwa mfatiliaji wa cheap materials basi eventually utakua na cheap ideas, lugha yako, unavhojieleza na mitazamo yako kwenye mambo mbali mbali itashuhudia yote ayo, na ukiwekwa na mtu anayefatilia mambo ya msingi, truth be told tofauti yenu itaonekana bira kipingamizi.

Nawatakia asubuhi njema

Sasa wewe nani alikuambia usomi ni kuongea kiingereza? Your article is a disgrace to your called education. Mda wote uliotumia kwenda shule kama haukuweza kutambua usomi sio lugha basi hiyo elimu yako inatia shaka kweli.

 

[Panzermeyer]

Take it from me hata hicho Kiswahili fasaha hawakijui mkuu ndo maana yule mchina akafanya vizuri kuliko wenye lugha yao.

Kutokujua kiswahili fasaha, hakuhalalishi kutokujua lugha ya kimataifa. Mtu anatakiwa akujue kila kitu walau kwa kiwango flani kinachoridhisha. Jua kiswahili kiasi jua na kiingereza kiasi, hapo unakua salama

 

[Panzermeyer]

Sasa wewe nani alikuambia usomi ni kuongea kiingereza? Your article is a disgrace to your called education. Mda wote uliotumia kwenda shule kama haukuweza kutambua usomi sio lugha basi hiyo elimu yako inatia shaka kweli.

Kiingereza ndiyo lugha unayotumika kwenye mitaala yote ya elimu. Sasa utakua msomi wa ajabu kutoelewa lugha ambayo unaitumia kwenye elimu.

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

Kiingereza ndiyo lugha unayotumika kwenye mitaala yote ya elimu. Sasa utakua msomi wa ajabu kutoelewa lugha ambayo unaitumia kwenye elimu.

Thread yako ni kuhusu kiingereza kama lugha na siyo utaalam wa mtu. Huwezi uka-test utaalaam wa mtu kulingana na uwezo wake wa kuongea lugha ya kufundishia. Kwa mfano, inafahamika duniani kote kwamba, wanasayansi walio wengi hawamudu lugha ikiwemo kiingereza. Hivyo, kwa mtizamo wako utasema hawa sio wasomi? Acha kutudharau na kujidharau wewe mwenyewe kama wewe ni Mtanzania.

 

[Panzermeyer]

Thread yako ni kuhusu kiingereza kama lugha na siyo utaalam wa mtu. Huwezi uka-test utaalaam wa mtu kulingana na uwezo wake wa kuongea lugha ya kufundishia. Kwa mfano, inafahamika duniani kote kwamba, wanasayansi walio wengi hawamudu lugha ikiwemo kiingereza. Hivyo, kwa mtizamo wako utasema hawa sio wasomi? Acha kutudharau na kujidharau wewe mwenyewe kama wewe ni Mtanzania.

Kutokujua kwa lugha kwa wanasayansi haifanyi suala la kutokujua kua sahihi.

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

Kutokujua kwa lugha kwa wanasayansi haifanyi suala la kutokujua kua sahihi.

Unachopaswa kuelewa ni kuwa, tuhuma zako za mtu kutoongea kiingereza fasaha, zielekeze kwa waingereza ambao kiingereza ni lugha yao ya asili iwapo watashindwa kuliongea kwa ufasaha. Pili, ni kwa watu wasio waingereza lakini wamesomea kiingereza kama lugha. Hawa wakishindwa kuongea kiingereza una haki ya kuwalaumu lakini sio watanzania au watu wengine wanaosoma kiingareza kwa sababu hawana njia nyingine. Wangepewa nafasi ya kuchagua wasingetumia kiingereza kama lugha ya kusomea. Huu ni mwendelezo wa ukoloni ambao naona umekukamata kweli kweli.

 

[Panzermeyer]

Unachopaswa kuelewa ni kuwa, tuhuma zako za mtu kutoongea kiingereza fasaha, zielekeze kwa waingereza ambao kiingereza ni lugha yao ya asili iwapo watashindwa kuliongea kwa ufasaha. Pili, ni kwa watu wasio waingereza lakini wamesomea kiingereza kama lugha. Hawa wakishindwa kuongea kiingereza una haki ya kuwalaumu lakini sio watanzania au watu wengine wanaosoma kiingareza kwa sababu hawana njia nyingine. Wangepewa nafasi ya kuchagua wasingetumia kiingereza kama lugha ya kusomea. Huu ni mwendelezo wa ukoloni ambao naona umekukamata kweli kweli.

Naona umejifunga kitanzi mwenyewe, vzur sana. Nadhani haukusoma maelezo yangu vzur, maana umezungukaa wee alfu umerudi kusema nilichokisema," kua ni aibu kwa msomi kutokujua lugha rasmi ya kiingereza".

Naomba urudi juu na uanze kusoma upya kwa faiada ya uelewa wako

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

Naona umejifunga kitanzi mwenyewe, vzur sana. Nadhani haukusoma maelezo yangu vzur, maana umezungukaa wee alfu umerudi kusema nilichokisema," kua ni aibu kwa msomi kutokujua lugha rasmi ya kiingereza".

Naomba urudi juu na uanze kusoma upya kwa faiada ya uelewa wako

Tofautisha msomi wa lugha fulani kama taaluma na msomi wa fani zingine. Wewe msomi unayemwongelea ni msomi yupi? Labda tuanzie hapo.

 

[Panzermeyer]

Tofautisha msomi wa lugha fulani kama taaluma na msomi wa fani zingine. Wewe msomi unayemwongelea ni msomi yupi? Labda tuanzie hapo.

Yeyote ambaye amepata professional training, regardless of the field

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

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Yeyote ambaye amepata professional training, regardless of the field[/QUOTE
Then you are 100% wrong in your assesment. As i said in my earlier comments, learning english as a proffesion is different from learning english as a necessary evil in attaining other proffesions. In the first case, you can blame the person because that is his proffesion just as you can blame a doctor if he fails to perfume his duty as a doctor. In the second case, since english is neither his first language nor his proffesion, you cant blame that person to speak grammatically incorrect english. If you are bringing this thread up to to show yourself as somebody above those who cant speak good english, then your education needs a lot to be desired.

 

[Nyarwadhnyarwath]

Yeyote ambaye amepata professional training, regardless of the field

Then you are 100% wrong in your assesment. As i said in my earlier comments, learning english as a proffesion is different from learning english as a necessary evil in attaining other proffesions. In the first case, you can blame the person because that is his proffesion just as you can blame a doctor if he fails to perfume his duty as a doctor. In the second case, since english is neither his first language nor his proffesion, you cant blame that person to speak grammatically incorrect english. If you are bringing this thread up to to show yourself as somebody above those who cant speak good english, then your education needs a lot to be desired.

 

[Panzermeyer]

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Then you are 100% wrong in your assesment. As i said in my earlier comments, learning english as a proffesion is different from learning english as a necessary evil in attaining other proffesions. In the first case, you can blame the person because that is his proffesion just as you can blame a doctor if he fails to perfume his duty as a doctor. In the second case, since english is neither his first language nor his proffesion, you cant blame that person to speak grammatically incorrect english. If you are bringing this thread up to to show yourself as somebody above those who cant speak good english, then your education needs a lot to be desired.

You got it all wrong. My emphasis is, people should make efforts to know how to speak formal English, as a language and not as a profession. So that they can be good in communicating with others in formal forums / platforms.

You are not trying to see the brighter side of this thread. The truth is right under your nose but you are turning a blind eye on it. Worst part of all is that," you are trying to demonise my good intentions". Calling English as a necessary evil in attaining other professions, that is so RIDICULOUS