Third terminal at Dar es Salaam airport

[matembele]

Bado sijakujibu hoja yoyote au unashindwa kuunganisha dots? Kila kitu nimeeleza, hayo mambo ya East Africa Airways hapa sio mahali pake! Tunachojadili hapa ni rationality ya kujenga Terminal 3 pale Mwalimu Nyerere International airport itakayowezesha kupitisha 6 million international passengers annually. Hilo halina uhusiano na The Old Dead and Buried East African Airways! Na kama unazungumzia suala la kufufua National Airline, nimelizungumzia sana, so, unanishangaza unaposema sijakujibu! Please, read between the lines!

Ninapo relate mambo ya EAA ni kukupa picha kuwa huu upuuzi na uzembe haujaanza leo. There are real people and real lives which were destroyed by the stupidity of some.
To call previous EAA issues dead and burried is a tunnelled vision, it's through learning from that that Tanzania can establish a viable Airline... Similarly the services that airlines need in terms of the airport, terminals, road network, communications, electrical supply etc etc etc.... Need I go on?
It's you my friend who do not know how to connect the dots.... Major issues like an airport building can't stand in isolation mkuu.

 

[reandle]

Ninapo relate mambo ya EAA ni kukupa picha kuwa huu upuuzi na uzembe haujaanza leo. There are real people and real lives which were destroyed by the stupidity of some.
To call previous EAA issues dead and burried is a tunnelled vision, it's through learning from that that Tanzania can establish a viable Airline... Similarly the services that airlines need in terms of the airport, terminals, road network, communications, electrical supply etc etc etc.... Need I go on?
It's you my friend who do not know how to connect the dots.... Major issues like an airport building can't stand in isolation mkuu.

Bado narudia, yote hayo nimeshaeleza...kuna post yangu ulii-quote na kuita "looooooooong dissertation" hapo nimeshajadili suala la viable National Airline!Na kuna post nyingine nimeshasema kinachohitajika isn't only National Airline ili mradi tu tuonekane tuna National Airline bali ni airline ambayo ni economically viable! Kuwa economically viable, nikasema kwanza tunatakiwa ku-diversify socio-economic activities zitakazowezesha kuwa na wageni kutoka sehemu mbalimbali duniani! Hilo likiwezekana, hata National Airline itakuwa na international routes za kutosha coz' kutakuwa na Wachina wanaotaka kuja TZ, Wa-Spain wanaotaka kuja TZ, hali kadhalika from Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Taiwan and so on! KUnapokuwa na wageni wa kutosha kutoka sehemu mbalimbali duniani, Airline inaweza kuanzisha route kwenda huko na hivyo kuwa economically viable airline!

N tukirudi hapo kwenye RED, hivi ushawahi kukuta INternational airport isiyo na hivyo vitu? Hilo nalo ni suala la kujadili? Bado nasisitiza kwamba plan ni kwamba hiyo Terminal 3 ni for international flights, so for 6 million passengers ni sahihi kabisa hasa ukizingatia kwamba hata viwanja vikubwa na vinavyotembelewa sana kama Cape Town, bado hadi leo international passengers kwa mwaka ni less than 1.5 million wakati total traffic ni abt 8.5 million.

 

[M2K]

Wandugu Tunaomba rami viwanja vya Wilayani

 

[samora10]

Yale yale ya DART!! baada ya miaka michache watakua wanabomoa tena kutaka kupanua barabara

 

[Semilong]

Jamani watu fanyeni utafiti kabla ya kukurupuka.

Uwanja wa 40m passengers ni kama heathrow au dubai. Yaani unaongelea mji.

Tanzania wana abiria 2m, ukijenga airport ya 40m, inamaanisha airport itazeeka kabla hata kufikia capacity ya 40m.

Mfano aiport kama heathrow ukianza kufika maeneo ya kimara unakuwa umeshaingia maeneo ya airport yao tiyari.
Airport ya dar ili iweze kubeba abiria 12m inabidi upanue barabara uvunje viwanda vya azam na ma mall ya manji.

Upanuzi wa airport ni ongoing process; heathrow, Jfk na DXB wote wamefanya upanuzi kuongeza uwezo.
Heathrow wameongeza terminal 5.
DXB wameongeza terminal ya tatu ambayo itawafanya capacity ya 60m.

Nairobi uwanja wao ni mbaya kama wa bongo tofauti kidogo.
Kama wanaongeza capacity ili ifike 40m inamaa ni kama zile terminal mbili za Dubai au kwa kifupi kama dubai ilivyokuwa 2012 (yetu macho, hizi siasa zingine). Sasa hivi wana abiria 6m, 40m may be another 20yrs. Uwanja ukae 20yrs bila kutumika.

Solution kwa bongo, baada ya huu upanuzi watenge eneo kwa ajili ya uwanja mwingine may be bagamoyo, mlandizi au kusini kilwa road mbele

Unaweza ukajisomea kidogo kuhusu DXB link hapo chini. Pia unaweza uka google
Fact sheets, Reports & Statistics

 

[XinKumi]

The ten biggest airport in Africa.
1.OR Tambo International Airport, Johannesburg, South Africa

arrival hall.
2.Cairo International Airport, Cairo, Egypt

3.Cape Town International Airport, Cape Town, South Africa

4.King Shaka International Airport, Durban, South Africa

5.Sharm El-Sheikh International Airport, Sharm El-Sheikh, Egypt

6.Hurghada International Airport, Hurghada, Egypt

"Nlikuwepo":bolt:

 

[MAGEUZI KWELI]

Kuna jamaa aliota ameokota milioni 10 akapiga zogo usiku kushangilia. Aliposhtuka tu akajikuta jasho linamtoka, watoto wanalia jana hawakula wakashiba, nyumba kadirisha kadogo hata hewa hakana, Zaidi alilala bila kuoga maji yaliisha na kisima kipo mbali...Akajiinamia na kusema du..Kumbe unaweza dhania una mali lakini kumbe ndoto tu..Akajisemea Ndoto nyingine bora zije wakati kitu ushakuwa nacho......

 

[XinKumi]

Ule uzio wa mabati pale airport mara upigwe X,mara mabati yanaibiwa yani hakueleweki kabisa.halafu humo ndani ya uzio kuna kichaka kitu gani.
Nahisi itakuwa ni hifadhi ya taifa.

 

[Ritz]

Hauwezi kujenga hoteli ya kulaza watu 10,000 wakati wateja waliopo ni 1000 unataka vyumba vikae wazi mpaka wateja waongezeke hata kama baada ya miako 20 unawahi nini kujenga.

 

[reandle]

Jamani watu fanyeni utafiti kabla ya kukurupuka.

Uwanja wa 40m passengers ni kama heathrow au dubai. Yaani unaongelea mji.

Tanzania wana abiria 2m, ukijenga airport ya 40m, inamaanisha airport itazeeka kabla hata kufikia capacity ya 40m.

Mfano aiport kama heathrow ukianza kufika maeneo ya kimara unakuwa umeshaingia maeneo ya airport yao tiyari.
Airport ya dar ili iweze kubeba abiria 12m inabidi upanue barabara uvunje viwanda vya azam na ma mall ya manji.

Upanuzi wa airport ni ongoing process; heathrow, Jfk na DXB wote wamefanya upanuzi kuongeza uwezo.
Heathrow wameongeza terminal 5.
DXB wameongeza terminal ya tatu ambayo itawafanya capacity ya 60m.

Nairobi uwanja wao ni mbaya kama wa bongo tofauti kidogo.
Kama wanaongeza capacity ili ifike 40m inamaa ni kama zile terminal mbili za Dubai au kwa kifupi kama dubai ilivyokuwa 2012 (yetu macho, hizi siasa zingine). Sasa hivi wana abiria 6m, 40m may be another 20yrs. Uwanja ukae 20yrs bila kutumika.

Solution kwa bongo, baada ya huu upanuzi watenge eneo kwa ajili ya uwanja mwingine may be bagamoyo, mlandizi au kusini kilwa road mbele

Unaweza ukajisomea kidogo kuhusu DXB link hapo chini. Pia unaweza uka google
Fact sheets, Reports & Statistics

Mkuu you're 101% very right na ndio maana nikasema kwamba ikiwa kweli Kenya wanataka kujenga uwanja utakaopitisha 40 million passengers, then they're insane! Jomo Kenyatta hadi sasa inapitisha about 6 million passengers na uwanja upo pale for more than 40 years! Kwa capacity ya 40 million basi watafikia baada ya karne moja! Wanafikisha sasa abiria 6 million wakati bado ni largest gateway in east africa!

 

[Erythrocyte]

Kwanza, kwa hesabu za haraka haraka mradi utagharibu kiasi kisichopongua Euro 250 milioni ambacho ni sawa ni zaidi ya $335 milioni. Yetu mradi wetu utakuwa na uwezo wa kupitisha watu milioni 6, ilhali huo wa Kenya wa kiasi mara 2 ($653) tu wa kwetu utapitisha watu mara 7 zaidi ya kwetu.
Ama kweli ukitaka kuje kujenga na kuchuma, basi njoo Tanzania.

Tanzania ndiyo nchi pekee duniani unayoweza kuja kuchuma na kuondoka kwa amani kabisa ! Ili muradi ushirikiane kidogo tu na familga zao .

 

[Erythrocyte]

Wandugu Tunaomba rami viwanja vya Wilayani

nani atakusikiliza wewe mkazi wa MBOZI kwenye uzi huu ?

 

[emmaisaac]

big result now, wanatafuta watuzuge 2015 katika kampeni kuwa wamejenga uwanja wa ndege wa kimataifa.

 

[matembele]

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N tukirudi hapo kwenye RED, hivi ushawahi kukuta INternational airport isiyo na hivyo vitu? Hilo nalo ni suala la kujadili? Bado nasisitiza kwamba plan ni kwamba hiyo Terminal 3 ni for international flights, so for 6 million passengers ni sahihi kabisa hasa ukizingatia kwamba hata viwanja vikubwa na vinavyotembelewa sana kama Cape Town, bado hadi leo international passengers kwa mwaka ni less than 1.5 million wakati total traffic ni abt 8.5 million.[/QUOTE]


Lets go back to square one...
Ninachosema hapa, ni kuwa kuongeza majengo ya terminal tu DIA itakuwa ni hasara kwa nchi. Ku plan for a 6m terminal might be adequate for the next ten years at most. Sababu kubwa ni kutokuwepo nafasi ya kutosha ya ardhi ili ikihitajika, basi ni kutia bulldozer moto na kuendeleza project hata miaka ishirini ijayo... That's my core point. Mengine yote ni katika kutoa mifano hai ambayo tumepitia and yet ama hatutaki kujifunza, au tunaignore au ni upuuzi na kukosa upeo wa mbali kielimu na nyoyo za wakubwa wahusika.
Ndio narudia tena, international airport yetu ni mzaha kabisa! One can NEVER be able to land and take off with a fully laden B777.
Sasa kwa nini tunang'ngania kujenga kabanda tu .... Instead of having long term planning and move the whole thing out of there??

 

[NullPointer]

Picha hizo zinazowekwa bure tu, watu nje inavutia, kwa aliyeenda Julius Nyerere International airport anajua jinsi ilivyochoka, ile sio airport, mi naona kama kituo cha basi tu, security ndogo, ndani kubaya, kuchafu..

 

[matembele]

Mkuu you're 101% very right na ndio maana nikasema kwamba ikiwa kweli Kenya wanataka kujenga uwanja utakaopitisha 40 million passengers, then they're insane! Jomo Kenyatta hadi sasa inapitisha about 6 million passengers na uwanja upo pale for more than 40 years! Kwa capacity ya 40 million basi watafikia baada ya karne moja! Wanafikisha sasa abiria 6 million wakati bado ni largest gateway in east africa!

NasDaz.
Hawahitaji kujenga terminal kuuuubwa ambayo itachukua hao watu kwa mpigo.
Wataongeza capacity by having a second parallel runway and maximising gates utilisation!

Wengi tumekita mawazo kwenye kitu kimoja tu ..... TERMINAL ... Kwa kweli wengi wetu hicho ndio tunacho kiona tu.
Airport nzuri ni ile ambayo hata marubani hawana presha ya kutua au kupaa.... Believe me sir, it takes much much more than just a beautiful terminal to make a safe and operationally succesful airport.
Lakini, typical of Tanzanians, tuna ubishi na ujuaji wa hata kile tusichokifahamu.
Kunde na maharage kwetu sawa tu... We can hardly differentiate!

Nilikwisha changia mada ya Dr. Janaby hapa and was shocked by several assumptions which people presented as fact! Our so called experts know no better.... kwa sababu wako poorly trained and completely unexposed to this very internationally regulated industry. Throw in a mix of arrogance na roho mbaya ... basi matokeo ni matatizo tu!!!
Naishia hapo mkuu.

 

[Sikonge]

Mkuu acha UONGO. Unaongelea vitu gani hapa? Unaongelea Uwanja kama Barabara au uwanja kama Majengo?

All in all, hata A380 kwa sasa inaweza kutua ikiwa imeshiba. Na kwa kawaida, ndege zinapotua, tayari zinakuwa na mafuta kidogo ndani baada ya safari ndefu. Ningelikuelewa kama ungeliniandikia Load Capacity ya uwanja wa Dar na hapo tuangalie uzito wa A380 au Antonov ya Ukraine. Na kwa taarifa yako tu, Antonov zimetua sana Uwanja mdogo wa Mwanza kuja kuleta Silaha na kubeba Minofu ya Samaki Ziwa Victoria. Sasa utalinganisha na uwanja wa Dar?


Semilong , umeelezea vizuri sana. Ila wasiwasi wangu mdogo ni upo sehemu mbili:

1. Mie ni Mpinzani sana wa kwenda kushukia sijui Bagamoyo au Mlandizi kwa ndege na hapo unaanza foleni kuja Dar. Ukifika usiku ndiyo kasheshe hasa hawa Waturuki wanaofika na kuondoka usiku wa manane. Inabidi kwanza kujenga Reli ya uhakika kuja Ubungo hadi Mwenge na nyingine kwenda City Centre kutoka Airport. Vinginevyo basi wa JKN uvunjwe kabisa kama walivyofanya Berlin na ujengwe mpya pamoja na usafiri wa uhakika kuja Dar uliopo masaa 24.

2. kupatikana kwa Mafuta na Gas hapa Tanzania, kunaweza kuongeza idadi ya Abiria kwa speed ya ajabu sana. Kama Tanzania itaonekana ni nchi ya Asali na Maziwa na tupate kiongozi/Serikali nzuri, basi tunaweza kushuhudia kila kitu kikikuwa kwa mwendo mkali sana. Hili ni sawa na tatizo lililotokea nchi nyingi zilizokuwa za Kikoministi na baadaye wakaingia European Union. Ghafla idadi waliyotegemea itakuwa taratibu, ikaongezeka kwa mwendo mkali mno. Ila hata wao, unakuta wanapanua taratibu ila muda wote bado wapo palepale na hata wakijenga nje, basi ni kwa ndege za bei nafuu kama Ryan Air. Ila kabla hawajafungua, wanajenga Metro, Train au Barabara Highway au Express Road kuja mjini.

Lets go back to square one...
Ninachosema hapa, ni kuwa kuongeza majengo ya terminal tu DIA itakuwa ni hasara kwa nchi. Ku plan for a 6m terminal might be adequate for the next ten years at most. Sababu kubwa ni kutokuwepo nafasi ya kutosha ya ardhi ili ikihitajika, basi ni kutia bulldozer moto na kuendeleza project hata miaka ishirini ijayo... That's my core point. Mengine yote ni katika kutoa mifano hai ambayo tumepitia and yet ama hatutaki kujifunza, au tunaignore au ni upuuzi na kukosa upeo wa mbali kielimu na nyoyo za wakubwa wahusika.
Ndio narudia tena, international airport yetu ni mzaha kabisa! One can NEVER be able to land and take off with a fully laden B777.
Sasa kwa nini tunang'ngania kujenga kabanda tu .... Instead of having long term planning and move the whole thing out of there??

 

[matembele]

Mkuu acha UONGO. Unaongelea vitu gani hapa? Unaongelea Uwanja kama Barabara au uwanja kama Majengo?

All in all, hata A380 kwa sasa inaweza kutua ikiwa imeshiba. Na kwa kawaida, ndege zinapotua, tayari zinakuwa na mafuta kidogo ndani baada ya safari ndefu. Ningelikuelewa kama ungeliniandikia Load Capacity ya uwanja wa Dar na hapo tuangalie uzito wa A380 au Antonov ya Ukraine. Na kwa taarifa yako tu, Antonov zimetua sana Uwanja mdogo wa Mwanza kuja kuleta Silaha na kubeba Minofu ya Samaki Ziwa Victoria. Sasa utalinganisha na uwanja wa Dar?


Mkuu.... Usinitukane kwa kuniita MUONGO.....hatufahamiani na mimi sikujuwi na wala sina haja ya kujua una utaalam upi wa kutetea hoja zako.
Pinga hoja kwa hoja...
Kwa maandishi yako tu naona wewe hujui nini unachoandika.
What is LOAD CAPACITY ya kiwanja?
Ni dudu gani hilo?
Nina kuhakikishia AT MAXIMUM GROSS TAKE OFF WEIGHT ndege kubwa yeyote ile kama A340, B777 B747 na haswa Airbus 380, haziwezi ku take off kwenye runway ya futi 8,500.
Huo ndio urefu wa Dar airport.
Na kama bado utanibishia, basi nitajua niko kijiweni napoteza mda wangu tu.

Antonov zinatuwa vizuri tu Mwanza unajuwa ni kwa nini???
Kwa sababu by design ina matairi mengi sana ambayo husambaza uzito wake!

 

[Bon]

Ukiangalia ukubwa wa Jomo Kenyatta International Airport lakini bado sasahivi serikali ya Kenya inafanya uwekezaji wa kutosha katika kuupanua na kukarabati majengo ya zamani na kuyafanya ya kisasa zaidi, pamoja na kuongeza ''run ways" ndipo utagundua kuwa serikali ya ccm imo shimoni inasubiri kumwagiwa udongo tu.

Yaani watu hawawezi kufukiria kujenga uwanja utakaohimili matumizi kwa miaka 30-50 ijayo wao wanafikiria umbali wa pua zao eti watu milioni 3!!!

Nilivyoelewa ni kwamba uwanja mpya utakuwa na uwezo wa kuhudumia watu mil 3. na ule wa terminal two kwa mujibu wa takwimu mwaka jana ulihudumia watu mil 2. Terminal 3 utakuwa wa kimataifa na termina two na one utakuwa kwa ajili ya domestic use, hivyo jumla viwanja vyote vitaweza kuhudumia watu mil 5 kwa mwaka.

Kwa mujibu wa maelezo hayo hapo juu, contract ni design and construction hivyo hiyo proposal ni very preliminary, I believe ni kwa ajili ya brainstorming.

Natamani haya maoni yenu yawafikie wahusika wajaribu kuimrove hiyo design, bado haijawa ya karne hii.

Pia nijuavyo huo mradi ni design and opertate and transfer kama haikubadilika. which mean huenda hiyo kampuni watadesign, na kuoperate( ofcourse kwa kushirikiana na serikali) mpaka warudishe pesa zao na kisha kuukabidhi kwa serikali.

Hivyo cost of investment is also a factor.

Wachina walishindwaje hii dili wakati walitangulia wao?

 

[Ritz]

Mkuu hata mimi nimeshindwa kumuelewa! Anataka Ritz amu-contact Eng. ili iweje? Ampatie an Exploded View ya TERMANIAL three au BOQs.

Mkuu Bukyanagandi.

Hebu angalia mchoro wa jengo la jipya ambalo linasifiwa na jamaa zetu humu, kuna kitu nimegundua kwa nini watanzania wengi wanausifia uwanja wa Jomo Kenyatta.

Halafu angalia hapa chini O. R. Tambo International Airport