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Things you didn't know about Zanzibar

Discussion in 'Jukwaa la Siasa' started by Nazjaz, Jun 26, 2011.

  1. Nazjaz

    Nazjaz JF-Expert Member

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    Do you know that Zanzibar Gold Reserve
    before and after the Revolution was
    estimated at more than 5,000 tons?
    Do you know that the Gold Reserve was
    transferred to Central Bank of Tanzania in
    1975 and was slowly and secretly
    used by Nyerere to prop-up his Government
    through social services and salaries?
    Do you know that Zanzibar started to pay
    for all parliamentary activities, the army,
    police, fuel and others since 1973 for the
    Union Government?
    Do you know that Zanzibar bought all the
    army hardware including the mig fighter
    aircraft, tanks, police marine
    boats,ammunition and made a down
    payment deposit even for Air Tanzania
    aircraft at its inception?
    Do you know that Zanzibar fully funded the
    1982 War against Idd Amin?
    Do you know that Zanzibar until 1984 was
    the sole financier of the Mainland
    Do you know the reason of Zanzibar
    succumbing to bankruptcy was because of
    these reasons?
    Today we are hearing politicians,
    academicians and others complaining about
    the Mainland Government footing the Union
    bill, why don’t our politicians and those
    responsible in dishing out our precious
    revenue comes out in the open and said the
    It is time that Zanzibari be allowed to go
    through the Treasury records and shed light
    to this miss-management and claim
    compensation if proven true on the above. I
    have attached a part of what Babu exposed
    on our Union.
  2. Nazjaz

    Nazjaz JF-Expert Member

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    On 22 April, the articles for the Tanganyika-
    Zanzibar union were signed by Nyerere and
    Karume. Like the relationship between
    Northern Ireland and Britain the union gave
    limited regional administrative autonomy
    but ensured that overall power – foreign
    defense, trade union matters, and control of
    foreign exchange was held by the centre at
    Dar es
    Salaam. However as Carlucci reported,
    Karume was ‘still under the impression
    that he was
    agreeing to the federation of two
    autonomous states.’
    The Policies of ‘African Socialism’
    The months and years which followed the
    union were a time of chaos and violence in
    Zanzibar. The CIA continued to keep a close
    eye on the region. In May 1965 they noted
    in Zanzibar, the union was still far from
    popular… “Karume gave little thought
    to the
    consequences of such a union and of
    ratification of the [union] agreement even
    though only
    one third of the island’s Revolutionary
    Council voted in favor and despite strong
    from radical labor and youth elements”
    In fact the union brought untold suffering
    to the people of Zanzibar and continues to
    do so. It
    was carried out in secret, as it were, without
    popular consultation. As Babu was to write:
    “The aims of the revolutionary
    government of Zanzibar and those of the
    African National Union (TANU) government
    on the mainland were not identical. The
    aims of
    the former were necessitated by the
    revolution itself which led inevitably to a
    decisive break
    with colonialism and imperialism…The
    TANU government was still encumbered by
    trappings of an Uhuru government, carefully
    groomed by the colonialists and the World
    Bank. It was set firmly on the road to
    neocolonialism and made no attempt to
    assert its
    independence. In other words trying to
    unite the two countries was like trying to
    mix oil and
    The Journal of Pan African Studies, vol.1,
    no.9, August 2007
    The human and social cost of uniting these
    two disparate entities [Zanzibar and
    …was enormous. In Zanzibar the post-
    union government of Karume freed from the
    imposed by the revolution, embarked on an
    adventurist policy of leveling down to the
    social denominator. The aims of the
    revolution had been subverted, vulgarized
    and reduced to
    the pettiness and nastiness of racial hatred
    and prejudice. Several leading members of
    revolution were silenced either through
    physical liquidation or exile, while their
    even to this day, are being protected and
    even honoured by the union”(9).
    After the union, Babu was transferred to the
    mainland and offered a series of fairly
    insignificant posts in the Tanzanian cabinet.
    He told me “I was not in charge; there
    were three
    Ministers of State. All three of us were under
    the President. There was nothing we could
    do…There was a French Director of
    Planning…I was Minister of Economic
    Planning but I
    could not plan policies or implement themâ
    However, in this period, as Minister of
    Economic Planning, Babu wrote a series of
    articles in
    the country’s main daily paper, ‘The
    Nationalist’. Titled ‘The Meaning of Self
    Reliance’, and
    written not under his name but simply as
    Pressman’s Commentary, these seminal
    traced most of Africa’s problems to the
    economic and political structures inherited
    colonialism. He argued that colonial
    structures had been put in place for the
    benefit of
    metropolitan capital and were held in place
    by repressive laws and policies, now, they
    now be rejected.
    He laid out clearly and in painstaking detail
    the policies which would meet the needs of
    Tanzania’s own people. He believed that
    for a country which had been a colony,
    reconstructing its economy and becoming
    self-reliant –economic nationalism –
    was the
    central strategy of a socialist struggle. (While
    this was true in the colonial and immediately
    post-colonial eras it is, of course, even more
    the case in the contemporary phase of the
    globalization of capital). Babu, as we have
    seen, was never to implement his plans for
    economic transformation of Tanzania, but
    his approach brought him into sharp
    with Nyerere’s policies of so-called
    African Socialism.
    Nyerere, by this time, had consolidated
    power in his own hands. By 1967, he and
    his ruling
    party were supreme. The constitution had
    been changed and all mass organizations
    under the party – the trade union
    movement, the cooperative movement,
    women’s and youth
    organizations and even religious
    The centralization of power meant also that
    there was no arena for debate or criticism
    that those who tried to criticize were
    branded subversives or enemies of the
    At the same time, focusing on welfarism,
    Nyerere neglected the crucial task of
    the colonial economy and Tanzania began to
    face serious economic problems.
    In search of a populist strategy Nyerere
    started a programme of indiscriminate
    – often targeting small businesses. Babu
    opposed this. He predicted (correctly) that it
    damage the economy, raise the cost of
    distribution and dislocate the business
    system. In his
    view socialist priorities should rather entail
    the development of productive forces by
    integrating private and government
  3. Tausi Mzalendo

    Tausi Mzalendo JF-Expert Member

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    Zanzibar wana migodi ya dhahabu ipi?
  4. FaizaFoxy

    FaizaFoxy JF-Expert Member

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    Kutokuwa na migodi ya dhahabu haina maana hotokuwa na dhahabu, hao wenye migodi wanawauzia kina nani? au wanaiweka tu dhahabu na kuitazama macho?
  5. Kiranja Mkuu

    Kiranja Mkuu JF-Expert Member

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    Zanzibar wanaiba dhahabu bara matani kwa matani na wanaikimbizia arabuni.
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    Masuke JF-Expert Member

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    Hayo mengine sina uhakika nayo, lakini hiyo vita 1982 nadhani haikuwepo.
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    kabombe JF-Expert Member

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    Takwimu za kupika.

    Umeme kulipa tu ni mshikemshike.

    Asilimia 90 ya matatizo ya znz yameletwa na wenyewe kaeni muyamalize,sio kusingizia bara
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    Al-Mende Member

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    aaah.. Mchovu tu wewe...! Send this thread to the trash-can please..!
  9. mashikolomageni

    mashikolomageni JF-Expert Member

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    hapo penye nyekundu nifafanulieni vita ya 1982 dhidi ya NDULI(M K U NDU) ? kwa kimasai jina alilopewana Sokoine
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    MwanaFalsafa1 JF-Expert Member

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    That's all well and good but now if you can just provide hard evidence for what you just said.
  11. Lole Gwakisa

    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    You are not only crazy but stupid as well!
    Una bahati mbaya sana ya kuelezea kutojua kwako juu ya historia ya Zanzibar na Tanganyika.Kwa maono yangu wewe ni kati ya wale wavivu wa kupindukia na usijue jinsi ya kujikomboa na uvivi na umasikini wako wa kujitakia.
    Zanzibar kuwa na tani 5000 za dhahabu? kwa mgodi upi tueleze
    Wakati wa uhuru Zanzibar haikuwa na watu zaidi ya 500,000, ambapo Tanganyika ilikuwa na watu milioni 9.
    Kasome historia yako kabla ya kuweka upupu wa kijinga.
    Halafu vita ya Idi Amin 1982?
    Kijana naona umezaliwa juzi na hujui hata matukio ya liyotokea miaka hiyo.Kama ulikua bado mimba, vita hiyo ilianza 1979 na iliisha 1980/81.
    Upupu wa kuhadithiwa unawafanya mnakuwa vituko ndani ya jamii.
    Up until 1984 Zanzibar was the sole financiier of the Mainland Govt? Yaani watu almost 800,000 wanawalisha watu karibia milioni 30.
    Una matatizo ya kijinsia na sina zaidi.
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    Lole Gwakisa JF-Expert Member

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    Bibie huwa nakuheshimu sana kwa michango yako , lakini katika hili la pumba , kulisapoti unaonekana hamnazo vile vile.
  13. Tausi Mzalendo

    Tausi Mzalendo JF-Expert Member

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    Ha! Bi shosti upo ehhh?
    Wajionaje hali?
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    Kiraka JF-Expert Member

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    Huu ndio uzushi wa kwenye vijiwe vya kahawa Zanzibar... Yaani umekaa umeona ulete hapa thread!!
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    nngu007 JF-Expert Member

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    Nani analipia Umeme wa Z'Bar Since Revolution?
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    Kiranja Mkuu JF-Expert Member

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    umechelewa sana kutambua kuwa FAIZA FOXY ni hamnazo
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    Globu JF-Expert Member

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    Wakuu WATANGANYIKA msijitie hamnazo. Mada iliyotolewa hapo juu haina chembe ya uongo, ni ukweli mtupu. Ni hila na ujanja wa Nyerere tu. Eti watanganyika wanashangaa na ZNZ kuwa na tani 5000 za dhahabu. Kasomeni tena history bado hamjaijua au hamtaki kuijua kwa makusudi. Acheni kumsakama FaizaFoxy, hamumuwezi.
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    Khakha JF-Expert Member

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    hadithi za wanywa gahawa na kashata pale mwembe mimba hizo.
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    Mkuu hapo umenea. Huyu kijana hana adabu. Unajua hili ndiyo tatizo la brain wash na propaganda za ki punguani. Great Thinkers mnakumbuka simulizi za utotoni Nyangumi mwenye matatiti!, au kwa wale mangosha simulizi za kitoto za lishing'weng'we!
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    Mag3 JF-Expert Member

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    Nazjaz, umesahau na haya;
    Zanzibar kabla na baada ya uhuru ilikuwa na njia za reli,
    Mwalimu (RIP) akazing'oa na kuzihamishia bara.
    Zanzibar ilikuwa na mbuga za wanyama,
    Mwalimu akawahamishia Serengeti na Mikumi.
    Zanzibar ilikuwa na maprofesa waliobobea,
    Mwalimu akawahamisha wafundishe bara.
    Zanzibar ilikuwa na vyuo vikuu kadha wa kadha,
    Mwalimu akavifunga vyote na kuanzisha UDSM.
    Zanzibar ilikuwa huru chini ya Sultani Rhamshid Ibn
    Abdullah, Mwalimu akafanya njama na kumng'oa.
    Bahati Wazanzibari wamepata mkombozi mpya
    Kwa jina Jakaya Mrisho Kiwete na uhuru uko njiani.
    Lazima tuhakikishe haya yanaingia Wikipedia
    Na historia mpya ya Tanzania inaandikwa, loo !
    Kaaaaaaaaazi kweeeli kweeeeeeli !