The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi

gstar said:
Hatujapiga hatua yoyote ndani ya miaka hamsini ya uhuru juu ya vyombo vya habari, tuige mfano wa nchi jirani zetu kama Kenya na Uganda!
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kama waliweza kupiga muziki wakati mv spice inazama.,why not for gadaffi who even isnt tanzanian?
 
Mwera said:
wacha kufanya watu wote hapa jf wajinga,tupe ushahidi kamili wapi nalini gaddafi alisema biblia sio kitabu cha mungu?kama huna ushahidi uombe radhi kwa kuidharau jf nakusema uongo kwa chuki zako kwa gaddafi,kama hujui sheria za jf zisome kwanza kabla ya kudanganya watu hapa,vinginevyo kwa sheria za jf unatakiwa ubigwe ban kwakuleta uongo wako hapa jf.
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By Yoweri Museveni, President of Uganda
By the time Col. Muammar al-Gadhafi came to power in 1969, I was a third-year university student at Dar-es-Salaam in Tanzania. We welcomed his rise because he was a leader in the tradition of Col. Gamal Abdul Nasser of Egypt who had a nationalist and pan-Arabist position.
Soon, however, problems cropped up with Gadhafi as far as Uganda and black Africa were concerned:

Backing Idi Amin:
Idi Amin came to power in 1971 with the support of Britain and Israel because they thought he was uneducated enough to be used by them. Amin, however, turned against his sponsors when they refused to sell him guns to fight Tanzania. Unfortunately, Gadhafi, without first getting enough information about Uganda, jumped in to support Idi Amin.

He did this because Amin was a "Muslim" and Uganda was a "Muslim country," where Muslims were being "oppressed" by Christians. Amin killed a lot of people extrajudicially, and Gadhafi was identified with these mistakes. In 1972 and 1979, Gadhafi sent Libyan troops to defend Amin when we [the Uganda National Liberation Front] attacked him. I remember a Libyan Tupolev Tu-22 bomber trying to bomb us in Mbarara in 1979. The bomb ended up in Nyarubanga, Burundi, because the pilots were scared. They could not come close to bombing their intended target properly. We had already shot-down many of Amin's MIGs using surface-to-air missiles. Our Tanzanian brothers and sisters were doing much of this fighting. Many Libyan militias were captured and repatriated to Libya by Tanzania. This was a big mistake by Gadhafi and a direct aggression against the people of Uganda and East Africa.

Pushing for a United States of Africa:
The second big mistake by Gadhafi was his position vis-à-vis the African Union (AU), where he called for a continental government "now." Since 1999, he has been pushing this position. Black people are always polite. They, normally, do not want to offend other people. This is called obufura in the Runyankore language, or mwolo in Luo - handling, especially strangers, with care and respect. It seems some of the non-African cultures do not haveobufura. You can witness a person talking to a mature person as if he or she is talking to a kindergarten child. "You should do this; you should do that; etc."

We tried to politely point out to Gadhafi that continental governance was difficult in the short and medium term. We should, instead, aim at the Economic Community of Africa and, where possible, also aim at Regional Federations.
But Gadhafi would not relent. He would not respect the rules of the AU. Topics or discussions that had been covered by previous meetings would be resurrected by Gadhafi. He would "overrule" a decision taken by all other African heads of state. Some of us were forced to come out and oppose his wrong position and, working with others, we repeatedly defeated his illogical position.

Proclaiming himself king of kings:
The third mistake has been the tendency by Gadhafi to interfere in the internal affairs of many African countries, using the little money Libya has compared to those countries. One blatant example was his involvement with cultural leaders of black Africa - kings, chiefs, etc. Since the political leaders of Africa had refused to back his project of an African government, Gadhafi, incredibly, thought that he could bypass them and work with these kings to implement his wishes. I warned Gadhafi in Addis Ababa that action would be taken against any Ugandan king who involved himself in politics, because it was against our Constitution. I moved a motion in Addis Ababa to expunge from the records of the AU all references to kings (cultural leaders) who had made speeches in our forum, because they had been invited there illegally by Colonel Gadhafi.

Ignoring the plight of Southern Sudan:
The fourth big mistake was made by most of the Arab leaders, including Gadhafi to some extent. This was in connection with the long suffering people of southern Sudan. Many of the Arab leaders either supported or ignored the suffering of the black people in that country. This unfairness always created tension and friction between us and the Arabs. However, I must salute Gadhafi and President Hosni Mubarak for travelling to Khartoum just before the referendum in Sudan, during which time they advised President Omar al-Bashir to respect the results of that exercise.

Terrorism:
Sometimes Gadhafi and other Middle Eastern radicals do not distance themselves sufficiently from terrorism, even when they are fighting for a just cause. Terrorism is the use of indiscriminate violence - not distinguishing between military and nonmilitary targets. The Middle Eastern radicals, quite different from the revolutionaries of black Africa, seem to say that any means is acceptable as long as you are fighting the enemy. That is why they hijack planes, use assassinations, plant bombs in bars, etc. Why bomb bars? People who go to bars are normally merrymakers, not politically minded people.

We were together with the Arabs in the anticolonial struggle. The black African liberation movements, however, developed differently from the Arab ones. Where we used arms, we fought soldiers or sabotaged infrastructure but never targeted noncombatants. These indiscriminate methods tend to isolate the struggles of the Middle East and the Arab world. It would be good if the radicals in these areas could streamline their work methods in this area of using violence indiscriminately.These are some of the negative points in connection to Gadhafi as far as Uganda's patriots have been concerned over the years. Each of these positions taken by Gadhafi have been unfortunate and unnecessary.
Nevertheless, Gadhafi has also had many positive points, objectively speaking. These positive points have been for the good of Africa, Libya, and the Third World.

I will deal with them point by point:

Gadhafi is a nationalist:
Gadhafi has conducted an independent foreign policy and, of course, also independent internal policies. I am not able to understand the position of Western countries, which appear to resent independent-minded leaders and seem to prefer puppets. Puppets are not good for any country. Most of the countries that have transitioned from Third World to First World status since 1945 have had independent-minded leaders: South Korea (Park Chung-hee), Singapore (Lee Kuan Yew), China People's Republic (Mao Tse Tung, Chou Enlai, Deng Xiaoping, Marshal Yang Shangkun, Li Peng, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao), Malaysia (Dr. Mahthir Mohamad), Brazil (Luis Inacio Lula da Silva), Iran (the Ayatollahs Khomeini and Khamenei), etc. Between World War I and World War II, the Soviet Union transitioned into an industrial country, propelled by the dictatorial but independent-minded Joseph Stalin.

In Africa, we have also benefited from a number of independent-minded leaders: Colonel Nasser of Egypt, Mwalimu Nyerere of Tanzania, Samora Machel of Mozambique, and others. That is how southern Africa was liberated. That is how we got rid of Idi Amin. The stopping of genocide in Rwanda and the overthrow of Mobutu Sese-Seko in the Democratic Republic of the Congo were as a result of efforts of independent-minded African leaders.

Gadhafi, whatever his faults, is a true nationalist. I prefer nationalists to puppets of foreign interests. Where have the puppets caused the transformation of countries? I need some assistance with information on this from those who are familiar with puppetry.

By contrast, the independent-minded Gadhafi had some positive contributions to Libya, I believe, as well as Africa and the Third World. Take just one example:

At the time we were fighting the criminal dictatorships here in Uganda, we had a problem arising of a complication caused by our failure to capture enough guns at Kabamba on Feb. 6, 1981. Gadhafi gave us a small consignment of 96 rifles, 100 anti-tank mines, etc., that was very useful. He did not consult Washington or Moscow before he did this. This was good for Libya, for Africa, and for the Middle East. We should also remember as part of that independent-mindedness the fact that he expelled British and American military bases from Libya.


He raised the price of oil:
Before Gadhafi came to power in 1969, a barrel of oil was 40 American cents. He launched a campaign to withhold Arab oil unless the West paid more for it. I think the price went up to $20 per barrel. When the Arab-Israel war of 1973 broke out, the barrel of oil went up to $40. I am, therefore, surprised to hear that many oil producers in the world, including the Gulf countries, do not appreciate the historical role played by Gadhafi on this issue. The huge wealth many of these oil producers are enjoying was, at least in part, due to Gadhafi's efforts. The Western countries have continued to develop in spite of paying more for oil. It therefore means that the pre-Gadhafi oil situation was characterized by super exploitation of oil producing countries by the Western countries.

Inaeendelea[Bofya Hapa]
 
Kifo cha gaddafi sio jambo la kufuahia. Inshangaza kuona damu ya Gaddafi kumwagika watu wanashangilia ambalo si jambo jema. Katika hawa wanaoshangilia ni yupi basi ambaye ni mwema? kwa sababu wema ama utu ni kufanya yale yaliyo ya utakatifu kama agizo la mfalme wa wafalme anavyotaka tuenende. Hivyo kwa matendo ya Gaddafi yawe mema au mabaya basi liwe ni funzo kwa sisi tuliobaki na si kushangilia kuuwawa kwake.
 
Mzee Mwanakijiji said:
Hii hapa ndio taarifa yenyewe ilivyo:

The Holy See And Libya After The Death Of Colonel Gadaffi

VATICAN CITY, 21 OCT 2011 (VIS) - Given below is the text of an English-language note published yesterday afternoon by the Holy See Press Office on the subject of the Holy See and Libya following the death of Colonel Gadaffi.


"The news of the death of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi marks the end of a much too long and tragic phase of a brutal struggle to bring down a harsh and oppressive regime.

"This dramatic event obliges us yet again to reflect on the immense toll of human suffering which accompanies the affirmation and collapse of any system which is not based on the respect and dignity of the human person, but rather on the prevailing affirmation of power.
"It is hoped now that the Libyan people might be spared further violence due to a spirit of revenge, and that the new leaders can undertake as soon possible efforts necessary for bringing peace and rebuilding in a spirit of solidarity, based on justice and the rule of law. May the international community also be committed to generously helping in the rebuilding of the nation.
"For its own part, the small Catholic community will continue to offer its own witness and service to all people, especially in the charitable and health fields. The Holy See will assist the Libyan people with the instruments available to it in the field of international relations with a spirit of promoting justice and peace.

"In this regard, it is necessary to keep in mind that it is a constant practice that when the Holy See establishes diplomatic relations, it recognises States and not governments. For this reason the Holy See has not proceeded in establishing a formal recognition of the National Transitional Council (CNT) as the government of Libya. Given that the CNT is now acting effectively as the government in Tripoli, the Holy See considers it the legitimate representative of the Libyan people, in conformity with international law.

"The Holy See has already had contacts with the new Libyan authorities. Firstly, the Secretariat of State, which has the responsibility for the diplomatic relations of the Holy See, has been in contact with the Libyan Embassy to the Holy See following the political changes in Tripoli. During his recent participation at the General Assembly of the United Nations, Archbishop Dominique Mamberti, secretary for Relations with States, had the opportunity to speak to Abdurrahman M. Shalgham, permanent representative of Libya to the United Nations. More recently, Archbishop Tommaso Caputo, apostolic nuncio to Libya, who is based in Malta, travelled to Tripoli for a three-day visit (from 2-4 October) in which he met Mahmoud Jibril, prime minister of the CNT. Archbishop Caputo was also received by the minister for foreign affairs.

"During these various meetings the importance of diplomatic relations between the Holy See and Libya was affirmed by both sides. The Holy See renewed its support for the Libyan people and for the transition. The Holy See wished the new authorities every success in their rebuilding the country. On their own behalf, the leaders of the new Libya expressed their appreciation for the Holy Father's humanitarian appeals and the efforts of the Church in Libya through its services in hospitals and help centres run by thirteen religious communities (six in Tripolitania and seven in Cirenaica)".
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Asante mkuu kwa taarifa kwangu kupitia taarifa hii nimejifunza kumbe diplomatic relationship of holy see is based on STATES not the GOVERNMENT!
 


Haya yalitabiriwa miezi michache iliyopita na sasa yametimia. Who is next?
 
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... bunduki iliomtoa roho Kanali Gaddafi ni hiyo hapo ilionyanyuliwa juu dakika chache tu mara baada ya tukio.

Mtu aliyeruhusu risasi kadhaa mwilini mwake Kanali ni huyu muasi mwarabu mweusi hapo kwenye picha ambaye pia NI MUISLAMU SAWA NA MAREHEMU mwenyewe na wala si mtu wa Magharibi, wala ndugu zetu Wa-Kristo.
 
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... bunduki iliomtoa roho Kanali Gaddafi ni hiyo hapo ilionyanyuliwa juu dakika chache tu mara baada ya tukio.

Mtu aliyeruhusu risasi kadhaa mwilini mwake Kanali ni huyu muasi mwarabu mweusi hapo kwenye picha ambaye pia NI MUISLAMU SAWA NA MAREHEMU mwenyewe na wala si mtu wa Magharibi, wala ndugu zetu Wa-Kristo.​
 
putin huna mpango ulikuwa wapi siku zote uje sasa hivi? Kama vp ukirudi ziangushe serikali zote zilizoshiriki vita na uzikalie kimabavu.
 
Uwezo Tunao said:
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... bunduki iliomtoa roho Kanali Gaddafi ni hiyo hapo ilionyanyuliwa juu dakika chache tu mara baada ya tukio.

Mtu aliyeruhusu risasi kadhaa mwilini mwake Kanali ni huyu muasi mwarabu mweusi hapo kwenye picha ambaye piaNI MUISLAMU SAWA NA MAREHEMU mwenyewe na wala si mtu wa Magharibi, wala ndugu zetu Wa-Kristo.
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kwa hiyo waislamu wameuana wenyewe ?
 
Na huu hapa ni mwili wa Mwanaye Rais Gaddafi. Huyu kijana mwanajeshi ambaye pia ni mkuu msaidizi wa idara ya usalama wa taifa hilo aliuwawa mara baada ya convoy yake kuzuiliwa njia wakikimbia kuelekea mpakani kuelea nchi jirani.

Kijana huyu aliuaua kwa tofauti wa li-saa moja tu tangu marehemu baba yake aage dunia.


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Mkuu Saint Ivuga,

Wabongo tunaopiga kelele za ajabu ajabu huko misikini Kwa Mtoro bila kuwa na taarifa kamili tujue kwamba tunakua nikituko kama si kichekesho mbele ya uso wa ulimwengu. Habari ndio hiyo!!!

Saint Ivuga said:
kwa hiyo waislamu wameuana wenyewe ?
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Uwezo Tunao said:


... bunduki iliomtoa roho Kanali Gaddafi ni hiyo hapo ilionyanyuliwa juu dakika chache tu mara baada ya tukio.

Mtu aliyeruhusu risasi kadhaa mwilini mwake Kanali ni huyu muasi mwarabu mweusi hapo kwenye picha ambaye pia NI MUISLAMU SAWA NA MAREHEMU mwenyewe na wala si mtu wa Magharibi, wala ndugu zetu Wa-Kristo.
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Inaonyesha ana matatizo ya akili, namna hiyo kweli atasalimika?
 
Saint Ivuga said:
kwa hiyo waislamu wameuana wenyewe ?
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Usaliti ni hulka ya mtu na wala sio kasumba ya dini flani.

Usaliti upo toka enzi na enzi mpaka leo na kesho Rejea katika maandiko YOHANA:18:1-40 ili upate kujua.

Unaposema kuwa waislamu wanauana wenyewe kwa wenyewe kwa mzingatio wa Libya unakosea maana huja mention pia kuwa hao waasi/NTC walipewa silaha na nani?
Cheki hapa:
BBC News - Libya conflict: France air-dropped arms to rebels
America's secret plan to arm Libya's rebels - Middle East, World - The Independent

Na pia hujasema kuhusu ariel support walotoa hao NATO (ambacho ni kitengo cha freemason)
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kwa idhini ya UN ambayo pia ni part of freemason
 
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