Professor Karim or the Comedy of Errors

Professor Karim or the Comedy of Errors

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By Ilonga Kaitan Ilunga
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Yesterday in the year of our Lord 22 Feb. 2015 I came across Prof. Hirji critique, Beating the drum on one side: Confusing the people on both sides on Mr. Said’s work, Tanzania: A nation without heroes, in which Said attempt to explain distortion of Tanzania official history. I have a fortune to come across some of Prof. Hirji writings notably his critiques.

Prof. Hirji has a misfortune to have “four slip of the pen” a common trademark in most of his defensive critiques. First, methodological inconsistences, here he can not comprehend his method Vis a Vis his reasoning extracted from his basic premises, second, to reduce the context understudy to purely personal debate that do away with historical realities, third to generalize various scenario within distinct Social contexts and call them into his aid, and last, opportunistic twisting the supposed premises to help his course. Professor is not so ignorant to make these mistakes, He understands them very well but he do so to fulfill his historical mission.

On premises deduce from Said work.

Prof. after careful reading of Said work came up with basic five premises (refer to his critique); if Prof. could read Said work more careful he would come with different premises:


  1. Tanzania official history is distorted history
  2. History is a product not of individual hero but of the people both leaders and common men and women.
  3. Religion is a mobilizing agent toward socio-political change
  4. Leaders used history to glorify themselves
  5. Muslims were forefront in the liberation movement who incorporated Christians in the movement..
The above premises could be barely seen even by the first year University student. Having historical task in his mind, Hirji opportunistically opted to create his own premises outside of content and context of Said's work.

On the Conclusion deduced from Said work
In this aspect our Prof. extracted five twisted conclusions.(refer to his critique) I concur with the last two I think our beloved Prof. could do better with the other three conclusions, that;

  1. Muslims in cooperation with Christians liberated Tanzania from Colonial rule
  2. Majority of Muslim activists and few Christians who differ with the Leaders have been written off from official history
  3. The welfare of large section of Muslim has been systematically limited.

Methodological Confusion

Before anyone embark on the methodology used by Said, Hirji come up with bundles of disjointed examples and illustrations of distorted histories fetched from different corners of the globe partly to justify the distortion of official Tanzanian history. This is the caricature of methodology at best. If Hirji would make a concrete analysis on that situation he would discover that the distortion of those histories was made by the respective ruling class, the same conclusion arrived by Said.

Scientific analysis of any particular setting according to historical materialism requires that a concrete analysis is made to concrete situation, wherein a whole is taken as the basis to establish inroads into its parts so as to unveil its specific phenomena. It is also significant to note that this method is guided by a correct logic and proper reasoning so as to come up with valid conclusion.

In this case Prof. failed miserably as briefly shown He makes his inroads into specific by assembling various examples of distorted histories and lump them together. If you follow him logically He seems to have a naïve conclusion that the distortion of official history is general rule and Tanzania is not exception. This imply that if colonialism in the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] Century was a general rule it was a sin for Tanganyika to demand independence (don’t laugh). Professor is not so brave enough to remain consistence with his own wonderful logic to reach that extent. He knows very well he will be reducing himself to a laughing stock.

Hirji having huge experience on methodological and philosophical issues was in better position to understand the standpoint and social class Said represents. It is my opinion that Said represents urban Muslims petty bourgeois who had legitimate grievances with Tanzania ruling elites since early years of independence (refer to book Muslim and state in Tanzania, the EMWS crisis etc). Darken with this reality Prof. lost in the jungle of historical adventurism and methodology confusion. The new form of historical preservation. The problem of Hirji class is their own school of thought known as “defending our great man”. They are capable deserting even their academic writing battling to protect their school of thought. Who has a short memory to forget one of Hirji's class who deserted his own academic writing to defend two government system created by Great man in their age?

Tanzania: Unity or diversity
Speaking in the inauguration of 10[SUP]th[/SUP] Parliament the president of United Republic of Tanzania come up with the revealing truth some (including our prof.) fear to speak that there is the growth of religious division in the Country and he made plead to the Government officials, academicians, religious leaders etc. to address this problem sooner rather than latter. Giving his own testimony to this reality one of the MP talked about his experience during election campaign. The two leaders were not talking about elites or politicians in fact they were referring to the grassroots people, the voters.

Regarding this matter our Prof. is in complete state of denial to this fact in which we live with since independence from top level now to grassroots level. But Prof. has a good reason to deny the above fact as he latter took humanist approach to argue that all socio-economic problems affect people irrespective of their religion. In other words this is to say since there are poor people to both black and white in South Africa therefore the question of black economic empowerment should not be raised. This is the 2015 Edition to Social inquiry by our brilliant Professor.

Hirji other than anybody would be in better position to realize that religious diversity is a thing not of appearance but of mind. This reality has yet to be properly addressed but the reality which has always been covered and feared.

Historical crime and Justice to history
To fight for his chosen path Hirji ending up inventing his own history, the stories no body new before but himself. That during German rule German colonialists were using student from madrassa to take lower administration positions and it was this period that Islam rapidly grew. Hence prof seems to conclude that Islam was compatible with German colonialism.

This is crime to both history and logic. Prof. having spent many years at University of Dar es salaam would have come across to an archival source documented the German period in Tanganyika
“By 1911 German Colonial government had built more than 80 schools in Tanganyika, while missionaries built more than 500 and taught more than 63,000 students, by 1914 there were 99 German sponsored schools by contrast missionaries had constructed more than 900 schools and educate more than 100,00 students”

Prof. invents his own “fact” so as to suit his own logic and pre-emptive conclusion. According to available literature on German rule in Tanganyika up to 1912 German with collaboration with missionaries has almost sufficient civil servants recruited from both Government and missionary schools.(note that the need for civil servants went higher after WWI and WW2 due to change in colonial policy). This does not mean that there were no Muslim civil servants whatsoever but their role has been mystified by our Prof. If any body could speak about collaboration with German rule would speak about that of German and Missionary schools graduates.
History is not scared or shy off to our Prof. It is there to expose any fault. If Muslims were compatible with German rule, was not abushiri who led largely muslim dominated area to fight with Germans?

It was not Mkwawa with the support of Abushiri who stormed German fort in Lugaro? Was not Bwana Heri who organize his people to fight aginst German? Was not Kinjikitile who mobilized largely populated Muslim areas in the south to fight against German in Maji maji upheavals? History has exposed Prof. true color.

Fr. Kevin Haule in his paper read to the participants of the workshop on 100[SUP]th[/SUP] Annivesary of Maji Maji war in Wuppertal (Nov.15,2005) has the following to say about missionary activities in Tanganyika;
“…with few exceptions missionary activitities has gone hand in hand with colonization…in Tanganyika, the missionary work had pushed the Bennectine(missionary) to relate politically not only the Germans but also with Africans, especially African chiefs. On the part of German Colonial Authority in Tanganyika , there was a tendency to view the missionaries as their very powerful and effective collaborators in extending and archieving their political end”

Fr. Haule documented a strong collaboration between Missionary activities and German military during the Maji Maji upheavals. What was tthat kind of collaboration? It should be made clear that Missionaries have got no other Man power to offer except their Christian convents. This is why some honest historians(not Hirji) explains some Christians involvement in the War on the side of Germans.
Prof. also excels with his historical crime when he argued that during nationalisation schools of all sects were nationalised, we can forgive him for that type of error, however prof. should review his history books to get informed that while all Muslim schools were nationalised only Christian missionary school were nationalised while seminary schools were spared.

Prof. Hirji is very aware to the fact that any movement or any struggle starts with and driven by first the sense of self identification and then more important a sense of common identification, what kind of such common identification was there in early phase of liberation stuggle in Tanzania?Was it national? No! No my dear Prof. It was quasi national, in which people idenified themselves by their ethnicity or religion groups. Altenatively this to say that Mr. Said has done justice to history to depict early liberation activists and pay tribute to their religion and nationalist ideas and their emmence role in transforming the movement into nationalist one which incopoate all social groups in Tanganyika.

This movement while it was social in form but national and political in substence. Without recognisng the tremendours effort made by this activists the official tanzania history is without its feet. Contrary to this fact, our official history started in 1954 with the “Leader and end with the leader”. Prof. Has been carried away and he is there to defend his school of thougth “ The Great Man theory”.

Said real basic weakness
In his writing Said major weakness lies on religious hegemonism which render his inability to draw a derseved conclusion from what he has explained about Christians contribution. This gave the haze impression of Christians contribution to Tanzania independence. His depiction of Christian leaders and Politicians is not fairly appreciated. Indeed he belittled the extended effort made by Christian in the making of Tanzania history. In addition to that he failed to link between Muslims grivancies and how they coincide with national grivancies. This could help him having a nationalist picture of early indepence struggle in Tanzania. Failure to comprehend this Mr. Said limited the role played by Christians in the making of free Tanganyika.

Hirji major weakness
Hirji major weakness is his school of thougth in which he belongs, according to Hirji and Co. History should start with a leader and end with a leader. I my view history should start whith the people and end with the people i.e people’s power. This is what Said is partly correct and our dear professor completely lost. His weakness lies on the model of thinking which nurture Hirji and his fellow travellers during their years at University of Dar es salaam. Glorification of the leader.

Lastly I pay tribute to Prof. Contribution to the debate, it is my humble appeal that people of all sorts will share that effort without favouring their religious affiliation s But the Truth.
 
Mzee Mohamed Said kaja kivingine sijui kashindwa nini kumjibu Prof Hirji kwa kutumia id yake halisi.Ukweli mchungu ni kwamba Prof Hirji kamweka mahali pabaya na mkitabu wake wa histohisia ya wazee wa Gerezani.
 
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After all that cream of crop from al allama Ilongailunga is this all you can come up with?

Why don't you do yourself a favour and call your so called Professor to reply!? I'm sure he is reading this.
Or may be his Secretary Nguruvi3.
 
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Mzee Mohamed Said kaja kivingine sijui kashindwa nini kumjibu Prof Hirji kwa kutumia id yake halisi.Ukweli mchungu ni kwamba Prof Hirji kamweka mahali pabaya na mkitabu wake wa histohisia ya wazee wa Gerezani.

Unaushahidi kwamba huyu ni Sheikh Mohamed Said?
 
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Naanza na hii irrelevant analogous

In other words
this is to say since there are poor people to both black and white in
South Africa therefore the question of black economic empowerment
should not be raised. This is the 2015 Edition to Social inquiry by our
brilliant Professor.

Huu mfano ni illogical kabisa, hujamtendea haki Prof, ntarudi by the way.

Umesema Mkwawa alisaidiwa na Bushiri kumpiga Mjerumani katika ngome ya Lugaro? Hii historia umeisoma wapi mkuu na sisi tukaisome? Maisha yangu yote sijawahi isikia hiyo ngome, na katika tafiti zangu sijawahi ona Bushiri alicontribute katika kumtandika Mjerumani miaka ya 1890's katika maeneo ya Mkwawa, Ingawa uhusiano wao wa Kidiplomasia unabaki vile vile.

Hii inakudiscredit pakubwa.
 
Honestly, this is a well balanced argument presented by the author. It carries some basic facts that anyone must be interested with.

For example, one might asks that given more number of scholars being Christians in the country, where and why do these imbalances exist and come from! Then you can easily realize that, colonialism came with what all of us know "agents of colonialism" which (if i can still remember); one of it is missionary through Christian Covenant. Definitely, colonialists must favored certain group within the then Tanganyika who accepted them. Which favors that Prof. Hirji and his allies may come to tell us?

Further we can ask ourselves, the two whites (aarabs and Europeans) are agents of the religions we have, why there is no much documented history regarding resistance against arabs but well known against Europeans? Probably I have no idea on this rather Prof and his allies will come again to clean the air around this argument.
 
Pumba zile zile kutoka kwa watu walewale. Haya historia yenu mloandika ipo sahihi na yetu tuloandika haipo sahihi. Topic closed.

hahaha kaka,jamaa waliumizwa vibaya sana kisaikolojia na lile bandiko la msomi prof.karim hirji.walichofanya ni kubuni ID za dharula ili wazitumie kuanzisha mabandiko mapya kumjibu prof.ngoja tuone huu mziki utakavyo ishia.
 
GAUTAMA;

Hivi unasema kweli kabisa kuwa haujawahi kugundua katika tafiti zako kuwa Mkwawa alikuwa na alliances wake kutoka kwqa arabs society hususan Abushiri? Sasa mtafiti kama wewe utakuwa na msaada gani wa kupresent fact katika jukwaa hili?

Kuhusu mfano wa South Africa alioutoa, mimi nauona ni sahihi sana tena waweza kujenga hoja ya kuondosha imbalances zilizopo. Hili limefanyika katika nchi, jamii nyingi tu dujiani. Hata women empowerment, msingi wake sio "wanawake" lkn ni kuondosha imbalances zilizopo katika jamii kutokana na mfumo wa uchumi na historia uliopitiwa na jamii.
 
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hahaha kaka,jamaa waliumizwa vibaya sana kisaikolojia na lile bandiko la msomi prof.karim hirji.walichofanya ni kubuni ID za dharula ili wazitumie kuanzisha mabandiko mapya kumjibu prof.ngoja tuone huu mziki utakavyo ishia.

Tutafanya mchakato tuziunge ID zao zote. Binadamu gani wasiohitaji critique? Unapoanzisha chochote kile au thread hapa ndani wasitegemee wote kuwA na mawazo sawa.

Hata kama wazeee wao ndo waliongoza kudai uhuru sawa tunakubali lakini ilikuwa kwa manufaaa ya nani? Hilo ndio swali la msingi ambalo linafanya warukeruke bila mrejesho uliobalance.
 
These ''extra Premises'' from Ilongailunga are good for the dead... Ntaiangalia 1-5, natumaini ntapata majibu.

1. Tanzania official history is distorted history

kwa hiyo kuna official na Unofficial? Kwa premise hii una maana kwamba iliyopo ni unofficial, ipi ni official then?, wewe ni walewale tu kama MS.


2. History is a product not of individual hero but of the people both
leaders and common men and women

Hii haijakaa vizuri, labda hujui maana ya History. History can be the product of both people and leaders, also it can be the product of Individuals or a person.


3. Religion is a mobilizing agent toward socio-political change

Mkuu unaongelea Nchi gani? Kama Tanganyika we si mkweli, Religion ilikuwa na ability kudetermine not kumobilize, unless hujamsoma Hirji na Paper ya MS.

4. Leaders used history to glorify themselves

Hii sio kweli, wewe hupendi kujisomea, viongozi gani hao?

5. Muslims were forefront in the liberation movement who
incorporated Christians in the movement..

Hizi zote zimetoka kichwani kwako? Hii liberation movement unayoisemea ni ya kipindi gani? Au unazungumzia Zanzibar?
 
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Hivi unasema kweli kabisa kuwa haujawahi kugundua katika tafiti zako kuwa Mkwawa alikuwa na alliances wake kutoka kwqa arabs society hususan Abushiri? Sasa mtafiti kama wewe utakuwa na msaada gani wa kupresent fact katika jukwaa hili?

Kuhusu mfano wa South Africa alioutoa, mimi nauona ni sahihi sana tena waweza kujenga hoja ya kuondosha imbalances zilizopo. Hili limefanyika katika nchi, jamii nyingi tu dujiani. Hata women empowerment, msingi wake sio "wanawake" lkn ni kuondosha imbalances zilizopo katika jamii kutokana na mfumo wa uchumi na historia uliopitiwa na jamii.

Kajisomee tena mkuu, lakini kabla ya kwenda mbali unaweza nieleza Lugaro fort ipo maeneo gani?
 
yaani huyo Ilongailunga,pamoja na kutumia "synonyms english words" ili aonekana anajuwa kunyosha kingereza kumshinda prof.hirji,ukisoma unaona pumba nyingi halafu mchele mchache.:smile-big::smile-big:
 
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