Gavana katika karibia kila post una refer kwa njia moja ama nyingine Nyerere kupewa usaint. It makes me wonder kama tatizo lako ni lipi haswa. Kama tatizo ni Nyerere kupewa utakatifu be straight forward tujuw moja.
ama kweli vijana mmenyeshwa maji ya bendera na damu ya yesuuuu?????
Hivi huelewi kuwa 1995 aliyekwenda zanzibar kumweka salmini amuri ni nani?????
Hii ccm iliundwa na nani?????
Mkapa aliwekwa na nani?????
Hili jeshi aliyeliunda na kuliimarisha ni nani?????
Biblia inasema by their fruits you will recognise them
haya ndiyo matunda yaliyopandwa na saint au baba au father nyerere ndiyo tunayashuhudia
Nyerere kupewa U-Saint labda ni kwa mazuri alioyafanya,( KAMA KUNA ZURI ALIOFANYA) lakini haina maana asisemwe kwa mabaya ya ki-nyama alioyafanya. AS what you call him "Baba wa taifa" na ndio muasis wa chama cha CCM basi kila aliekuja / anaekuja kukamata U-raisi especcially alipokua hai then he is accounted for. Nyerere alijua kua 1995 ccm ilishindwa vibaya Znz na ni yeye ndie alieamrisha kua itangazwe ccm imeshinda. Nyerere amekaa madarakani mpaka ameshindwa kuendeleza TZ kimaendeleo, lakini hakuruhusu multy party. Musiseme kua Gavana analeta udini kwa kumsema Nyerere na U-sant wa kupachikwa, nini cha maana kafanya hata kupewa huo U-saint?
Kaimeza Znz kwa kufikiri na kutumwa na Vatican kwa kujaribu ku-control Uislam, lakini wapi wameshindwa Europe kuzuia Uislam usiendelee wameshindwa. Yaliotokea Znz na Pemba na yanayoendelea kutokea mabaya yote ni matunda yaliowachwa na Nyerere na Inshaallaah kila baya lifanyikalo basi yatamfika huko aliko. Mkimchukia Gavana mnichukie na mimi lakini huo ni UKWELI usiofichika na nafikiri nyote mliokua against the motion basi ni watoto wadogo mliozaliwa baada ya Dhulma za huyo Saint wenu NERERE. Aliwaweka bara na Ushamba hata Tv kawazuia musione lakini yeye anatizama butiama.
Mkuu Nyerere is not my saint and I personally don't agree with any one being given sainthood by fellow human beings. What I am saying is that the issue of sainthood is for the Catholics themselves to decide. Atakuwa saint wa Wakatoliki kwa hiyo that does not affect me or you. Ni sawa sawa na Osama. Kuna wanaomuita "Sheikh" wakati I would never call a person like him a sheikh unless the word has another meaning. Ila wapo wanaomuona kama sheikh na mimi siwezi kuwa kataza.
Kuhusu Europe sijui kuzuia uislam wangetaka kuzuia they would have done so. Maana it is a matter of policy. Mfano kutoa uraia. Do you know mtu kunyimwa uraia wa nchi nyingine hauhitaji kutoa maelezo yoyote? Kwa maana hiyo wangeamua kuto kuwapa uraia waislamu they could have done so and there is nothing anyone could have done about it. Do you also know that they could have enforced policies which could have promoted only one religion? Haya now tell me in Arab countries what population of it's citizens are non Muslims? Tell me why is it that is Saudi Arabia one can not even construct a church there? Na hapo tuseme wana jaribu kuzuia Ukristo?
Kuhusu kumchukia gavana mimi simchukii na sijui kwa nini unataka nikuchukie na wewe. What use is it or me to hate you or gavana? Au unataka muchukiwe ili mseme it's something personal? Mimi sikuchukii wewe wala gavana na wala sina muda wa kupoteza kuwachukia. As for your accusations against Nyerere ata juana yeye na Mungu wake.
Nyerere kupewa U-Saint labda ni kwa mazuri alioyafanya,( KAMA KUNA ZURI ALIOFANYA) lakini haina maana asisemwe kwa mabaya ya ki-nyama alioyafanya. AS what you call him "Baba wa taifa" na ndio muasis wa chama cha CCM basi kila aliekuja / anaekuja kukamata U-raisi especcially alipokua hai then he is accounted for. Nyerere alijua kua 1995 ccm ilishindwa vibaya Znz na ni yeye ndie alieamrisha kua itangazwe ccm imeshinda. Nyerere amekaa madarakani mpaka ameshindwa kuendeleza TZ kimaendeleo, lakini hakuruhusu multy party. Musiseme kua Gavana analeta udini kwa kumsema Nyerere na U-sant wa kupachikwa, nini cha maana kafanya hata kupewa huo U-saint?
Kaimeza Znz kwa kufikiri na kutumwa na Vatican kwa kujaribu ku-control Uislam, lakini wapi wameshindwa Europe kuzuia Uislam usiendelee wameshindwa. Yaliotokea Znz na Pemba na yanayoendelea kutokea mabaya yote ni matunda yaliowachwa na Nyerere na Inshaallaah kila baya lifanyikalo basi yatamfika huko aliko. Mkimchukia Gavana mnichukie na mimi lakini huo ni UKWELI usiofichika na nafikiri nyote mliokua against the motion basi ni watoto wadogo mliozaliwa baada ya Dhulma za huyo Saint wenu NERERE. Aliwaweka bara na Ushamba hata Tv kawazuia musione lakini yeye anatizama butiama.
Braza countries like Lebanon is a Arab country and they are 50-50 Muslim and Christian, There are Mosques and Churches every corner and people live together. Huo ni mfano mmoja wa nchi ya kiarabu , sasa nenda Egypt, Syria, Jordan na Morrocco na Iran uangalie ratio ya religious, infact Morroco there are about 500,000 Morrocons Jews and they are not stopped to practice their religion. Coming to Saudi Arabia, There is not a single Saudi Christian, so what is the meaning of building a church there? Kuhusu kuzuia kutoa Uraia Europe kwa Waislam, kwani waislam wote Europe ni non-european? kwani hujui kua kuna wazaliwa european waislam? na ni waislam kabla hata kuanza mambo ya Refugees.
Kwa kumalizia kwangu ni " Nyerere hakua na uchungu wa Tz kwani alipachikwa tu kua Raisi kwa maslaha ya Vatican kwani hata hayumo katika waliopigania uhuru wa Tanganyika na huwezi hata kum-compare na Kenyatta."
Nenda Misri kule uone wakristu wa kule wanavyoishi kama swala kwenye msitu wenye simba wengi, achilia mbali kuwa Ukristu kule ulianza kitambo sana kabla ya Usilamu.
Halafu unakubali kuwa misikiti isijengwe Saudia ..hivi una akili kweli wewe? Unajua kuna wasaudia wangapi wakristu au wangependa kuingia Ukristu? Unajua kuwa kuna miji Saudia asiye Muislam haruhusiwi kukanyaga? Hapo wewe unaona sawa si ndio? Ila ninyi mnaosapoti huu ubaguzi mnadai haki ya kujenga misikiti popote sio ndio akili zenu za kinyumenyume zinavyowatuma?
Habari ni za kusikitisha sana, lakini watoa hoja wote wamejikita katika usaint wa Nyerere kuliko unyama wa Mkapa wa kuua watu bila huruma.
Huyu Rais kwewli Mungu atamlaani. Tena atapata laana kubwa sana. Na ninahakika hukoaliko hana raha.
Wewew umesoma seminari, eti hayo ndio maadili uliyopata ya kuua wananchi wako. Huyu si binaadam, ni shetani kabusa.
Na wote wanaomuunga mkono ni mashetani. Hata wale waliompendekeza kuwa Raisi ni mashetani.
Malaika ni wale waliokazana kwa nguvu zote kumtupilia mbali yule aliyempendekeza (Sumaye) na wapambe wake.
Braza countries like Lebanon is a Arab country and they are 50-50 Muslim and Christian, There are Mosques and Churches every corner and people live together. Huo ni mfano mmoja wa nchi ya kiarabu , sasa nenda Egypt, Syria, Jordan na Morrocco na Iran uangalie ratio ya religious, infact Morroco there are about 500,000 Morrocons Jews and they are not stopped to practice their religion. Coming to Saudi Arabia, There is not a single Saudi Christian, so what is the meaning of building a church there? Kuhusu kuzuia kutoa Uraia Europe kwa Waislam, kwani waislam wote Europe ni non-european? kwani hujui kua kuna wazaliwa european waislam? na ni waislam kabla hata kuanza mambo ya Refugees.
Kwa kumalizia kwangu ni " Nyerere hakua na uchungu wa Tz kwani alipachikwa tu kua Raisi kwa maslaha ya Vatican kwani hata hayumo katika waliopigania uhuru wa Tanganyika na huwezi hata kum-compare na Kenyatta."
Mkuu ngoja nikujibu ifuatavyo.
1.Nilisha jibu kwenye post yangu iliyo pita kuwa yes kuna European wazawa ambao ni waislamu. Tena wapo either kwa kuzaliwa au kwa kubadilisha jibu kwa hiari yao. Ninacho sema mimi ni kwamba nchi za Ulaya zingeamua kuweka policies zinazo kwamisha kuenea kwa Uislamu wangeweza. Na wangeweza kufanya hivi wakati population ya waislamu ni ndogo na hamna ambae angeweza kupiga kelele.
Sasa hii ni sawa na saudia kua hamna kabisa wakristo vipi wajenge makanisa. wameshiba dini yao walioichagua na wanaijua vizuri dini ya kikristo ndio maana hawaikaribishi.
2.Saudi Arabia una uhakika hamna Wakristo mkuu? Na hata kama hakuna Wakristo hauoni kuto kuruhusu Makanisa kujengwa ni policy ambayo ina kwamisha kuenea kwa Ukristo? Kama makanisa hayawezi kujengwa kabisa hata watu wakiamua kusambaza Ukristo wata fanyaje?
Nina 100% kua hakuna Msuudi national Mkristo, na wala hawana haja ya kuenezewa Ukristo kwani hii si dini ya Nabii Issa na wala hajawahi kusema kua yeye ni Mkristo.
Haya basi nitajie nchi ambayo haina Waislamu ambayo imeweka policy ya kuto kuruhusu misikiti isi jengwe.
Vatican, Kwani hata Pope anasali sala ya kiISLAM KWA UFICHO. Kwani hujui hilo wewe?
3.Mkuu nakuomba ufanye karesearch kado tu. Kwenye nchi za Europe kuna waislamu wangapi na kwenye nchi za kiarabu kuna wakristo wangapi. Then tuone eneo lipi lina ruhusu more freedom of religion.
Kwa nini Europe, Nimekutajia Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Jordan na Morrocco. Makanisa yamejaa na hata baadhi ya nchi hizi Sunday ndio weekend/holiday
4.Mbona kuhusu Nyerere mna jikanyaga? Wengine mnasema aliwekwa na wazee wa kiislamu waliyo "mfundisha" kuvaa suruali wewe unasema kawekwa kwa ajili ya maslahi ya Vatican. Sasa nani kamuweka kwa ajili ya maslahi ya Vatican? Hata ukiangalia nchi zilizo tutawala ambazo zingeweza kupachika kiongozi hazikua za kikatoliki. Sasa ni nani alimpachika kwa maslahi ya Vatican? Please mention them.
Kama kisa hiki ni cha kweli kinasikitisha, waathirika poleni. Ila kwa vile umelazimisha kumwingiza Nyerere na ukristo wake watu wanchelea hata kutoa pole.
Umeanzia nyumbani kwa mjane, akaishia wapi manake umeelezea kisa hiki tu.
Askari ni wa serikali ya Mkapa, wamekuaje askari wa Nyerere aliemaliza kipindi chake miaka kumi kabla ya Mkapa?
CUF CUF, acheni kampeni zenu ndani ya JF haya tuambie mwandishi gani wa BBC Maana wale huwa hawaogopi ktk jambo la ukwelinyinyi wengine pengine mumepata lesson ya mchungaji Mhogolo