Manchester United (Red Devils) | Special Thread
Manchester United (Red Devils) | Special Thread
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mtotowamjini
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WELCOME TO THE THEATRE OF DREAMS :happy:
mtotowamjini
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tumeshazoea timu hua zinacheza vizuri when man utd are in town...one thing i like about my beloved team is we never give up...hata tukiwa 3goals down we still believe that we could still win....that's the heart of a champion...LONG LIVE MAN UTD
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Am already there bro..Long way back.
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From: http://therepublikofmancunia.com/st...our-united-liverpool-arsenal-chelsea-or-city/
It is perhaps one of football's most popular myths that Manchester United get help from referees, in the form of anything from the rub of the green to outright corruption. Not only will it be referenced several times throughout the season by rival fans, it has actually entered the mainstream media, with phrases like "that was an Old Trafford decision", "if that was down the other end it was a pen" and "Fergie time" entering the common parlance of footballing punditry. But does it have any basis, either today, or historically, or both? The statistics would suggest neither.
Last season, in 38 games in the league, 13 in Europe, and seven in the domestic cups, Manchester United were awarded seven penalties in total – at Old Trafford against Liverpool in the FA Cup, at Old Trafford against Arsenal and West Ham in the Premier League, away at Fulham, West Ham and Blackburn in the Premier League and away at Rangers in the Champions League. Five out of the seven penalties were converted, meaning just 4.5% (5/112) of United's goals came from penalties last season. Of these penalties, just one, Dimitar Berbatov's against Liverpool can be said to have probably not been a penalty kick, though contact was made.
Of United's rivals, Arsenal received a staggering 16 penalties, several dubious thanks mainly to the antics of Marouane Chamakh, over twice the number of United. 11 of these were converted, meaning 9.1% (11/121) of Arsenal's goals came from penalty kicks. Chelsea were awarded 11, converting 9, for a percentage of 9.2% (9/98). Manchester City were awarded 9 penalties, all in the league, and converted 7 for a percentage of 6.5% (7/108). Liverpool meanwhile were awarded 10 penalties, converting 8 for a percentage of 9.4% (8/85).
To summarise the penalty statistics of 2010-11 (top 4 PL teams, and Liverpool (!), all competitions):
- Liverpool – awarded 10, converted 8, 9.4% of goals have been penalties
- Chelsea – awarded 11, converted 9, 9.2% of goals have been penalties
- Arsenal – awarded 16, converted 11, 9.1% of goals have been penalties
- Manchester City – awarded 9, converted 7, 6.5% of goals have been penalties
- Manchester United – awarded 7, converted 5, 4.5% of goals have been penalties
As you can see, the statistics are fairly conclusive, especially to those propagating that United are the most favoured by referees.Arsenal were awarded over twice as many penalties as United, with the rest up between 1.3 and 1.6 more. Even more interestingly, using penalties converted as a percentage of goals scored – useful as it determines both how helpful penalty awards have been and allowing more leeway for more attacking teams possibly receiving more penalties – penalties have accounted for significantly less of the goals Manchester United have scored in comparison to their rivals. Rounding to the nearest .5, penalties have accounted for 9.5%, 9%, 9% and 6.5% of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester City goals, but just 4.5% of Manchester United's.
Despite having the best goal difference in the league, United actually conceded more penalties than they were awarded, as did Arsenal, with the majority of the Gunners' 16 penalties received coming in other competitions. Manchester City and Chelsea were the main beneficiaries of penalties, with City receiving over twice as many as they conceded, and four times as many at home, whilst Chelsea received almost three times as many as they conceded, and over twice as many at home.
2010-11 Premier League Top 4, and Liverpool (!), penalties awarded/conceded (solely Premier League):
- Manchester City – Awarded 9, Conceded 4 (at home 8-2)
- Chelsea – Awarded 8, Conceded 3 (at home 5-2)
- Liverpool – Awarded 8, Conceded 7 (at home 3-3)
- Arsenal – Awarded 7, Conceded 9 (at home 4-3)
- Manchester United – Awarded 5, Conceded 6 (at home 2-1)
"Fine", says Bertie. "So United had a bad year with penalties. But I've heard and seen them given enough penalties over the years to know that they've been favoured in this department." Do the statistics back this up?
Again, no.
The following are the figures of penalties conceded for the top 5 most successful league teams in terms of aggregate position since the season 1999/2000, when such statistics started being kept:
Arsenal – 60
Liverpool – 58
Newcastle – 57*
Chelsea – 54
Manchester United – 53
* did not compete for one season of timespan
As you can see, despite generally being the most attacking team in the league, Manchester United have scored less penalties than their four main rivals of this period – Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea. Allowing for a slight underlap of three years which the statistics don't come across, since 2003, penalties have accounted for just 5.1% of United's total goals, with the equivalent figures for Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea being 9.1%, 7.5% and 6.6%. Since the Premier League began, Manchester United have been awarded 90 penalties – just 5 per season. They have converted 68, meaning just 4.7% (68/1432) of United's goals since 1992 in the league have come from penalties.
Where United do have a relatively favourable record is penalties conceded – 24 since the turn of the millenium in the Premier League, compared to 28 for Chelsea, and 38 each for Arsenal and Liverpool. However, United have also conceded considerably less than those teams, which must be taken into account. A fairer way to consider this is, again, what percentage of total goals they took up. Since 2003, penalties have accounted for 7.2% of United's total goals conceded, with the equivalent figures for Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea being broadly similar at 7.4%, 8.1% and 8.1%. It also can be said that champions tend to concede less penalties – Arsenal's figures in particular have taken a big jump as they became less competitive towards the end of the Decade, the Invincibles of 2004/05 conceded just three penalties, whilst last year's youngsters gave away three times that.
If we compare the percentage of penalties as a total of goals scored and conceded, again since 2003, United (5.1% scored, 7.2% conceded, -2.1%) come out worse than Liverpool (9.1% scored, 7.4% conceded, +1.7%), Arsenal (7.5% scored, 8.1% conceded, -0.6%) and Chelsea (6.6% scored, 8.1% conceded, -1.5%).
In fact, of the four biggest teams, only Liverpool have benefited from penalties since 2003, ironic considering they have been most vociferous in their complaints against United.
General decision-making
Now that the penalty myth regarding United has been addressed, I shall move onto general decision-making. This is harder to pinpoint, conveniently relying on strictly anecdotal evidence. However, we can discuss this in relation to the current season. I've heard several times that United were lucky to win the league because, amongst others, with "others" never usually defined, Gary Neville should have been sent off away to Stoke and West Brom, and a penalty should have been rewarded as well in relation to the incident at West Brom.
Whilst this is true in terms of the West Brom case, what's forgotten is that United should have had a penalty kick in that match as well, for a stonewall handball arising from a Fábio cross. Neville was regarded as lucky to stay on the pitch against Stoke as well, but what is forgotten in this instance is that his first yellow was incorrectly awarded, after he won the ball. The referee perhaps realised this given the severity of the United protests, and thus gave the benefit of the doubt for the second decision.
Of course, incidents like Lee Bowyer's last-gasp equaliser against United, where four separate infringements occurred – two counts of climbing, a handball and an offside – are largely ignored and instantly forgotten. United were also denied penalties in several matches last season which they went on to win anyway, and thus such decisions are dismissed from memory. Dimitar Berbatov was blatantly tripped against Blackburn at Old Trafford, and Nani was shoved over at home to Aston Villa, the latter coming just a week after a similar decision was not given for Blackpool against the Reds. The comparative difference in outrage was both noticeable and hypocritical. United went on to beat Blackburn and Villa with the minimum of fuss, and the decisions were instantly forgotten, whilst Blackpool blew a two-goal lead and all the post-match interviews featured a question on the penalty incident.
Also forgotten are the incidents last season which it could certainly be argued cost United a record four-in-a-row – John Terry's winner at Stamford Bridge where an offside Didier Drogba dragged Wes Brown to the ground allowing the ball to reach Terry, and Drogba's winner at Old Trafford when he was about two yards offside.
I ask those crying corruption and conspiracy to show when refereeing decisions gave United as much towards winning a league than they gave towards losing it last season.
Refereeing decisions have also hurt United in the Champions League. Ferguson's men were cruising through against Bayern last season until Rafael was booked twice for two challenges and sent off – the first foul occurring 2 seconds after a foul on Rafael went unnoticed. In 2003, a Paul Scholes goal was disallowed for offside when he was quite clearly onside, which would have put United two goals clear. Porto equalised in the last minute, going through on away goals and subsequently winning the competition.
In the Carling Cup last season, Manchester City were incorrectly awarded a penalty for a foul outside the box. Carlos Tévez scored it, but Manchester United went on to win the tie. So whilst City supporters still moan about the injury time awarded at Old Trafford in the league allowing Michael Owen to score the winner, the penalty incident in the Carling Cup has already been forgotten. Why? Because United didn't allow it to affect them, forgot it, and got on with the job in hand – winning the tie. This in part explains why refereeing decisions involving United are only remembered when they don't favour the opposition, United usually go on to win the game.
Many an opposition fan will tell you about the time Pedro Mendes had a long-range shot for Spurs fumbled over the line by Roy Carroll with no goal given, few will tell you about the time that same man spooned a Vidic header clear from over the line a few years later for Portsmouth, and no goal awarded. Many an Arsenal fan will tell you that their unbeaten run was brought to an end by a Rooney dive, few will recall that Ronaldo was absolutely cleaned out in the box by Ashley Cole in the same game, with Mike Riley waving play one. Few will also speak of Emmanuel Adebayor's handball goal at Old Trafford in 2008, nor of Darren Fletcher's unjust red card in the Champions League semi-final at the Emirates. I think you can see where I'm going with this.
One of the most commonly used inferences that referees favour United comes in the form of ‘Fergie Time', or seemingly larger amounts of injury time played when United are not winning. Proponents of this theory will mainly point to two instances – when 7 minutes of injury time were played against Sheffield Wednesday in 1993 during which United scored twice and won 2-1, and the aforementioned incident when United scored 88 seconds after the 4 minutes of injury time that was announced against Manchester City in 2009. Ignoring that that's two instances in 16 years, both amounts of injury time were perfectly correct. In the Sheffield United game, the referee had to be replaced after suffering an injury, with the treatment and subsequent replacement lasting about 5 minutes, this on top of the usual injuries and substitutions. In the Manchester derby, whilst (a minimum of) 4 minutes was announced, Manchester City scored after the time was awarded, and their subsequent celebration and the introduction of Michael Carrick to the game meant that the time awarded was absolutely correct. I would suggest the same not to be correct about the 5 minutes West Brom received to find an equaliser in United's 2-1 win at the Hawthorns this season, which was not remarked upon at the time, and only met with a "come on West Brom!" from those decked in Liverpool, City, Arsenal and Chelsea shirts nationwide.
Success breeds jealousy, and jealousy breeds irrationality. Any inference that United's success is even in part due to favouritism by referees is incorrect. As I have shown, United receive significantly less benefit from penalties than their rivals, whilst the inevitable beneficial decisions are hyped and remembered whilst the inevitable disadvantageous decisions are forgotten in an instant. Them's the breaks of being a team at the top. Liverpool supporters of a certain age should remember similar mutterings about the conquerers of the 70′s and 80′s, the El Classico will tell you a similar tale from Spain, as will Bayern in Germany and the Old Firm in Scotland.
As long as they're muttering dark words of conspiracy about United, Sir Alex Ferguson can be content he's doing a fine job. As Wilde once said "the only thing worst than being talked about, is not being talked about."
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"Never say never when you play man united" maneno ya commentator jana mi binafsi namkubali Fergie he is Tactical Magician as Anderson Said your team will absolutely loose 30-40 percent of its winning when this Manager retires nakubaliana nae Kama hawatakuwa makini kumleta mtu sahihi itawagharimu
mtotowamjini
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ni kweli kabisa hata morinho au guardiola aje old trafford itachukua muda kubadilisha system players waliyozoea ya fergie kwenda kwenye system mpya ndio maana tunamuombea babu maisha marefu na afya njema aendelee kua kocha wetu...
sasa nyie gooners sasa hivi tu hamshindi mechi na hamshindi makombe sasa babu wenger akiondoka si mtashuka daraja kabisa? :biggrin1:
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Tena ndo tutafanya vizuri kwana we need trophy hungry coach...angalia kwa makini AW amejiachia sana kwa sababu boardroom hawana haja nayo kama tu wanacheza top football Europe...wachezaji hawajitumi kwani coach hajawambia wakomae na hakuna sababu ya kukomaa kwani AW na Board hawana Njaa ya mafanikio ya vikombe kama tu Faida wanapata...na kuna shida kubwa kwa AW kujihusisha na Financial Statements za club huku ni Kocha hili nalo tatizo (kajikita sana kwenye Ubwana Uchumi) kama ikitokea next w'end tukafungwa na Spurz na End of the season spurz wakawa juu yetu AW will be in big big trouble
Makocha wengi wanaweza kuja pale kwani AW analipwa £7mil kwa mwaka pesa nzuri kuliko Fergie..na hakuna kocha wa kukataa pesa hizo ndugu
Wenger hana malengo ya makombe ndo maana hana haraka na mafanikio ila mashabiki watafanya kitu mbaya sana mwaka huu
ingia hapa www.justarsenal.com hawa jamaa wanaijua Arsenal nje ndani na wana mipango mibaya ya Kususia mechi
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naomba wale wenzangu wa kutoka old trafford tuendelee kushangilia ushindi wa leo. Tuendelee kuzibua vizibo.
Tumeona mchezo wa vijana wapya, pique na simpson.
Kanyaga twende.
tuko juuu
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Mtaachaje kuwa juu? Hata Tanzania inaangamia kwa sababu ya watawala wake kuwakumbatia mafisadi kwa sababu ya peremende. Hizo brown envelopes zina mwisho wake.
BTW Chio nyinyi mlikuwa mnaimba one man team last season, kumbe ilikuwa ni wivu tu khe khe khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, huwezi kutumia majeshi ya kukodi na kutamba khe khe khe kheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Inaonyesha kwamba uwezo wenu umeishia hapo kwenye Brown envelopes.
mtotowamjini
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mwanaukweli wala usihangaike kuweka statistics hapa kwa sababu fans wa team nyingine wameshazoea kulalamika kuhusu man utd na kwamba tunaonewa so hayo uliyoyaweka hapo watajidai hawajasoma na wataendelea kutubeza...achana nao...mradi ikifika mwezi wa tano mwakani tunafungua champagne as barclays premier league champions....
mtotowamjini
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kesho game la norwich limekaa vibaya wale jamaa wakiwa nyumbani wanajua kubana goli lao hatukawii kutoa draw na hivi rooney anaweza asicheze am a bit concerned
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saf got the line up wrong
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