Lawrence of Arabia...

EMT said:
Meaning that it is not one of the greatest?
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Of course Not... you know Greatest is normally taken very lightly.., and I can name a million movies better than this one..
and all of those in the times of Citizen Kane.., you know to have a great movie there must be a marriage between a plot, story and great executioners (actors).., therefore an otherwise great or mediocre movie can look great or not so good because of the actors, you see a movie like the Apartment.., if I tell you the plot is very thin but the actor Jack Lemmon made it a classic.., or the postman always rings twice (the story and dialogue are great) or the comedic value in Some Like it Hot..., so you see I would put all those movies I have mentioned above Citizen Kane and would never put Great in One sentence with Citizen Kane.., but its watchable and an okay movie and not boring at all
 
Kiranga said:
These things are very subjective.
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True. Kwa mfano, Mtanzania anaweza kuiangalia filamu ya About Schmidt na kuipenda tuu kwa sababu ya Schmidt ku-foster Ndugu Umbo, mtoto yatima wa Kitanzania, na jinsi alivyokuwa anawasiliana nae kwa barua.

Lakini sidhani kama Mhutu wa Rwanda anaweza kusema Shooting Dogs was the best ever made movie concerning Rwanda.
 

Yes there is Bad Movie, Bad Story, Inaccurate story, bad acting, boring etc..

Brave Heart ni movie ambayo actor amefanya vizuri, ila ukimuuliza mtu wa Scotland haipendi sababu anakwambia kwamba a Yankee (American) hawezi kumu-act m-Scottish na kwamba alikosea.., au zile movies za commandoes zinazowapiga Vietnamese, mtu wa Vietnam atakwambia zipo biased.., ila kwa mtu anayeangalia movie with a clean mind bila biasness atatoa points kwa kila kipengele.., au kuna mwingine Classic movies nyingine hawezi hata kuangalia sababu tu ni Black and White.., Movie kama Casablanca mtu atachoka kuangalia kabla ya kufika mwisho au kujua kwamba utamu wake upo kwenye the story behind..
 

Even the more reason to caveat your review as subjective, and not based on some nonexistent "standard".

Huku Marekani Argo inapata zawadi, Iran wanaikandya kwamba si mali kitu.
 

Nafikiri hata mtu kusema this is one of the greatest movie inaweza kuwa subjective pia.

Kwa mfano, kuna mtu nabishana nae kila mara ipi ni greatest gangster film ever made.

Yeye anasema kwa kwake ni The Godfather II, lakini kwangu naona ni Goodfellas.

Sijawahi kuangalia any of The Godfather films mpaka mwisho because baada ya dakika kadhaa huwa zinaniboa.

But to others ukiikandia The Godfather unaweza kudhaniwa kuwa ni punguani.

I am sure mwingine atakuambia Pulp Fiction or Scarface is the greatest one.

Na mwingine anaweza kukuambia ni The Departed, japokuwa another may question whether it is a gangster film in the first place.
 

As long as you dont have a common, empirical yardstick, it is subjective.
 
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EMT said:
Nafikiri hata mtu kusema this is one of the greatest movie inaweza kuwa subjective pia.
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Ofcourse lakini ukisema Michael Jackson had talent wengi watakusikiliza ingawa wapo (kama wapo watakaobisha) lakini ukisema Milli Vanilli had talent walikuwa na talent watu watakuona kichaa au unatania..

Kwa mfano, kuna mtu nabishana nae kila mara ipi ni greatest gangster film ever made.

Yeye anasema kwa kwake ni The Godfather II, lakini kwangu naona ni Goodfellas.
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Mkuu mtu anayekunywa wine huwezi kuanza kusifia Dompo iliyotengenezwa juzi ni better than wine maybe ambayo imesha-age from 1940s..... My point being ukija kwenye Gangster Movies Godfather iliset the bar.., movies nyingine nyingi huwa zinaiga ua kujaribu kuimitate.., just image movie was done in the 70s lakini ukiangalia hata jana unaweza kuamini ilitengenezwa juzi..., yaani Great Actors (bila kumsahau Marlon Brando, Al Pacino, Andy Garcia.. n.k.) Good Story as well as kazi nzuri ya Francis Cuppolla.., naweza kuelewa mtu kupenda mfano story ya kwenye Carlitos Way kuliko Godfather.., au kupenda the Siccillian kuliko Godfather, lakini tukija kwenye ubora.., very few Trillilogies zinaweza ku-compete na Godfather..

Taelewa mtu asiyependa Lord of the Rings au Starwars lakini kwenda a step further na kusema ni mbaya kwakweli atakuwa hatendie haki creativity ya watu...

Sijawahi kuangalia any of The Godfather films mpaka mwisho because baada ya dakika kadhaa huwa zinaniboa.
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Set a day aside na uangalia peke yako na follow the dialogue na story..., mimi mwanzo wa kuangalia the Bodyguard nilikuwa na watu wanaopenda movie za kupigana walikuwa wanalalamika mwanzo mwisho lakini siku moja nilikosa cha kuangalia na kurudia and I found it was an Okay movie.., kwangu mimi naona overrated movies ni kama Titanic na Gangs of Newyork, ingawa kusema ni mbaya takuwa nimekosea.

But to others ukiikandia The Godfather unaweza kudhaniwa kuwa ni punguani.
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In the world of gangster movies watu hawatakuelewa mkuu.., what is lacking.. ?, Story, Actors au Cinematography.., bila kusahau one liners ambazo zinatumika kwenye nyanya nyingi za movies kwa sasa.., ni sawa sawa na watu kutoipa the Matrix Kudos zake kwa kutuletea zile fightings watu wanapigana alafu inaweka slow motion hewani hewani.. (that was ground breaking mkuu )

I am sure mwingine atakuambia Pulp Fiction or Scarface is the greatest one.
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Pulp Fiction bila u-genius wa Samuel Jackson isingependwa kama inavyopendwa (ingawa nadhani kwenye kazi zake the Negotiator is better) ila tukija kwenye Gangster movies hizi ni just a segments ya mambo ambayo yapo kwenye Godfather (its so much more..) unless you like your movies straight forward with a lot of killing and swearing.

Na mwingine anaweza kukuambia ni The Departed, japokuwa another may question whether it is a gangster film in the first place.
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Kwahio mkuu it depends na mapenzi ya mtu.., ni sawa sawa mtu anayependa musical aseme kwamba Singing in the Rain ni mbaya (atakuwa hapendi musical au aliangalia akiwa na usingizi..)

In short hata kama hupendi latin girls ni vigumu kusema J. Lo anasura mbaya..., au kama unaangalia movie za kihindi kusema Andhaa Kanoon ni mbaya I think you get my drift...

Lakini neno Greatest huwezi na ni vigumu sababu watu walipenda kuangalia Rambo enzi zile ile kijana wa leo ukimletea Rambo atakuona unamtania (movies za misimu zinachuja..) lakini a good story Never..., au ukiangalia western movies lazima uangalia in history context (the days of gun slinging and riding horses..)
 
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I found The English Patient very boring, what say you sun wu?
 
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Gaijin said:
I found The English Patient very boring, what say you sun wu?
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Binafsi sijaiangalia although nadhani nilitaka kuiangalia lakini did not find the perfect time.., unajua kuna some movies zinaanza pole pole with slow pace au nyingine zina-drag the same thing on and on and on... wakati wangeweza to cut to the chase.., kwahio sababu sijaiona siwezi nika-comment..,

By the way nadhani unakubaliana na mimi just because a movie is boring does not necessarily mean its Bad ingawa pia kuna some Bad Boring Movies.., na just Bad Movies.., ila kuna movies kama wangeweka a good dialogue, with some good actors huenda the same boring movie ungeiona better..., By the way what's with Titanic hivi watu wanaosema hii movie ni great what do they see in it.., (even the romance I have seen better) kwakweli movies kama hizi ndio zina-dilute the word Great.
 

Mimi movie ikiwa boring manake ni bad.

Kwa sababu nikiwa bored katika movie, manake hiyo movie si nzuri kwangu.

Sasa suala linakuwa jee kiwango cha mimi kuwa bored kinalingana na mwengine?

Bila ya shaka haipo hivyo, lakini pia siwezi kuacha kusema film fulani si boring kwa sababu watu wengine kwa pace ile ile na kile kile kilichomo wanaiona sio boring

*Titanic sikumbuki kutazama yote, bali Lord of the Rings nimetazama zote
 
Gaijin said:
Mimi movie ikiwa boring manake ni bad.

Kwa sababu nikiwa bored katika movie, manake hiyo movie si nzuri kwangu.
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Kuna watu wakiangalia musicals au movie za kihindi sababu ya nyimbo nyimbo na kulia kwingi wanakuwa bored ingawa huenda movie hio hio ikawa na story story, actors mahili as well as awesome cinematography.., huoni kwamba labelling such a movie boring is misconception ?

Pia kuna watu wakiangalia movie wanalala kwa boredom au wengine bila kuona ngumi, au watu kuuwana wanakuwa bored as well as mwingine akiangalia sitcoms anakuwa bored (no actions) sasa tunaweza kusema hizi movies ni boring au such a movie does not cater for ones taste ?

Sasa suala linakuwa jee kiwango cha mimi kuwa bored kinalingana na mwengine?

Bila ya shaka haipo hivyo, lakini pia siwezi kuacha kusema film fulani si boring kwa sababu watu wengine kwa pace ile ile na kile kile kilichomo wanaiona sio boring
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Labda tungejiuliza what is boring ?
Is slow paced boring ?, is monotonous boring ? au bad acting ?

Je mtu akija kwako akakwambia Scarface (action packed movie) ni boring utamuelewa.., au utasema katumia neno ambalo sio..

Au the Negotiator au The City of God akisema ni boring utamuelewa au utadhani either he/she did not get the plot, taste yake ni different au alikuwa na usingizi wakati anaangalia au copy yake ilikuwa pirated (decrease the viewers entertainment) ?
 

Kwa hiyo waseme vipi wakati hao watu wamekuwa bored?

Au unatarajia watu wabadilishe hisia zao kwa sababu kitu kile kwa watu wengine hakiangukii kwenye boring?


Tunachoweza kusema hizo movies ni boring kwa mtu huyo.

Na si ajabu, kwa sababu hali hiyo unaikuta katika kila aina ya sanaa. Kuna wengine wanaona kitu kizuri na wengine wanaweza kukiona kibaya

While The Green Lady is taken to be world's most reproduced print, some art critics call it a kitsch.




Hatuwezi kujua boring ni nini kwa kila mtu

Kuna wengine kwa vile movies hazihusishi sana utumiaji wa akili/kufikiri, movie za actions nyingi wanaziona boring na wanalala cinema hata iwe "A Good Day To Die Hard"

Kwa hiyo mtu akiniambia Scarface ni boring kwake siwezi kumpinga, sana sana I will be curious kujua kwa nini kwake yeye imekuwa boring
 
Gaijin then there is no point of saying anything about a movie since people have different taste.. nor there is no point of saying sugar is sweet because there are people with bad taste buds..

It is understandable to feel bored by slow music au jazz because people might be looking for something stimulating au fast paced.., lakini a house music au rock calling it boring ni kutumia neno ambalo sio.., unaweza kuiita loud, unstimulating even bad na noise but not boring..

Unapo-associate boring and a movie wakati unaelezea movie fulani mtu anajenga picha fulani ambayo huenda hauitendei haki movie ile kwa kuita neno lile..,

Example kama sipendi indian movies naweza kusema indian movies are boring.., lakini when talking about Andhaa Kanoon au ile Kuch kuch.. it means nina interest kwenye indian movies kwahio kusema Andhaa Kanoon is boring (sababu ni subset ya Indian movies) takuwa nina-mislead sababu it shows hii movies ni boring just sababu ni un-stimulating ingawa kumbe sababu yangu ni my dislike of Indian movies
 


Sio hakuna point ya kusema chochote kuhusu a movie, bali kuna haja ya kuruhusu kusema chochote kuhusu movie na kitu chengine cha sanaa.

Ninapoelezea kitu chochote kinakuwa ni kwa mujibu wa hisia, maoni yangu na mtu anaehadithiwa anajenga picha ambayo mara nyingi mno sio ile uliyokuwa nayo wewe kichwani

Hilo huwezi kuliepuka kwa sababu hisia ni subjective.

Unaweza kukuta movie hiyo hiyo mwengine analia kwa kwi kwi wakati wewe hata hujaona kama inasikitisha hata punje.

Sasa ndio usiseme kuwa movie ile haijasikitisha kwa sababu watu wengine wakitizama wamelia?

Unapozungumzia "Movie za Kihindi ni boring", hiyo ni generilization ambayo inafaa kuepukwa.

Lakini sioni kwa nini akitokea mtu akasema Andhaa Kanoon ni boring, tukamuona hajaitendea haki filamu hiyo.

Kwake ni boring, hata kama dunia nzima imeona vyenginevyo.
 
Gaijin said:
Unapozungumzia "Movie za Kihindi ni boring", hiyo ni generilization ambayo inafaa kuepukwa.

Lakini sioni kwa nini akitokea mtu akasema Andhaa Kanoon ni boring, tukamuona hajaitendea haki filamu hiyo.
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Au Contraire Mon Ami.........Au Contraire

Mtu anaposema movie za kihindi ni boring which means the theme (singing, crying arranged marriages n.k.) zinamboa.. (which is acceptable) lakini anapokubaliana na theme na kusema Andhaa Kanoon (One of the Great Indian Movies anakuwa anapotoka) sababu movie kama hii has got the good things about indian movie...

Ninaposema Opera ni boring.. (its understandable) sipendi such kind of music.., lakini ninaposema Pavarrotti au The Great Caruso ni boring nakuwa nimepotoka (its the creme de la creme ya opera)

Ninaposema cricket is boring (its understandable) sababu its takes ages na slow paced.., ila ninaposema Australian Cricket Team ni boring napotoka (sababu when it comes to cricket they are the most entertaining)

Ninaposema football ni boring... well maybe I like basketball au bao..., lakini ninaposema Barcelona au Brazili National team ni boring (which means I like football but find these teams boring) takuwa maybe am in the wrong kind of game or I don't know what am talking about (lost the plot)
 


Goodfellas was the best but the Godfather is 'the sum of all wisdom'
 
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