First, my concetration from the beginning had been economic development and not economic growth! GDP and economic growth are brother and sister while economic development is brother and sister to per capita GDP and there's no way I can mix GDP and economic growth!
Coming back to about poverty in US, as said earlier, no one who says every one in US is okay... it's me who said the US social welfare is much better as compared to China... and the reference here is between US and China! Having best social programs doesn't mean you'll have all people live above the poverty line especially for a larger country like US. And since we're comparing between US and China, the above data proves poverty in China is much higher as compared to US... am not talking of number of Chinese vs Americans but am talking of percentage Chinese vs Americans. If it's all about percentage, then we ignore China's high big population.
[h=1]China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years[/h] [h=2]The number of Christians in Communist China is growing so steadily that it by 2030 it could have more churchgoers than America[/h]Then put in consideration the Purchasing Power Parity with the HDI and IHDI of these countries, for instance in the UN Human Development Index report of 2013 & 2014 Norway ranks 1st and USA ranks 5th. While China in 2013 report ranks the 67th.
First, my concetration from the beginning had been economic development and not economic growth! GDP and economic growth are brother and sister while economic development is brother and sister to per capita GDP and there's no way I can mix GDP and economic growth!
Coming back to about poverty in US, as said earlier, no one who says every one in US is okay... it's me who said the US social welfare is much better as compared to China... and the reference here is between US and China! Having best social programs doesn't mean you'll have all people live above the poverty line especially for a larger country like US. And since we're comparing between US and China, the above data proves poverty in China is much higher as compared to US... am not talking of number of Chinese vs Americans but am talking of percentage Chinese vs Americans. If it's all about percentage, then we ignore China's high big population.
What significance of any religion in China has to do with the economy? Most Chinese are Atheist, Confucists and Budhists for centruries and decades. USA had been Christian all the way and yet it owes China above USD 16 trillions in government bonds.
chige nashukuru kwa michangoo yako mizuri na mimi nakuunga mkono hapo kwenye ustawi wa jamii kati ya mataifa makubwa duniani, ukweli ni kwamba wasiishie kuangala just GDP figures ila waingie zaidi kuangalia how well their citizens are better off. Tukitumia GDP per capita still tutakuwa tunakosea kwasababu distribution of income is never the same across the society. Kwamfano leo hii Bill Gates amekuwa mtanzania inamaanisha GDP per capita ya watanzania ita-shoot sana na ikionesha kuwa Tanzanians are better of than any other african countries. Kumbe sio.
Sasa hivi wataalamu wameamua kutumia HDI (Human Development Index) wakiangalia availability and accessibility of basic social and necessary needs.
Wapi nimesema hakuna uhusiano kati ya GDP na per capita? unadai paragraph ya kwanza... ipi? hii:How do you calculate per capita GDP kama hakuna uhusiano na GDP? Maana paragraph ya kwanza unataka kusema kuwa GDP haina uhusiano na GDP per capita ila ina uhusiano na economic growth...GDP per capita ina uhusiano na economic development...you can't be serious....hayo yote yako linked my dear...what is needed is country policy on redistribution
Wewe main argument yako ambayo umeshindwa au unasita kuiweka wazi ni kuwa "no matter how big the economy of China becomes, it will never be enough due to its population size" kitu ambacho ndio kinatuletea utata na ubishi sababu hakuna logic ...
Yaani kwa uelewa wako hiyo paragraph inamaanisha hakuna uhusiano kati ya GDP na per capita wakati nimesema my interest ni economic development ambayo kupimwa kwake ni zaidi ya kuangalia GDP!!First, my concetration from the beginning had been economic development and not economic growth! GDP and economic growth are brother and sister while economic development is brother and sister to per capita GDP and there's no way I can mix GDP and economic growth!
First, yanini unaamua kunilisha maneno ili kutetea hoja yako? Pili, ngoja tuangalie ambacho nimekisema zaidi ya mara moja:no matter how big the economy of China becomes, it will never be enough due to its population size" kitu ambacho ndio kinatuletea utata na ubishi sababu hakuna logic ...
Now let me ask you: hivi it'll take time ni sawa na kusema it'll never? Ikiwa naamini it'll never, namuogopa nani hata badala yake nitumie neno it'll take time? Au unataka kusema kwako wewe neno "it'll take time" and "it'll never" ni one and the same?Hoja hapa ni kwamba ingawaje GDP ya China inaelekea kuipiku ya US bado ustawi US ni mkubwa kuliko China and it'll take a time kwa China kuipiku US kwenye suala zima la ustawi wa jamii
Hapa tena tufahamiane... hivi mtu akisema atachelewa kufika maana yake hatafika ever never? Hivi kuna tofauti gani kati ya kuchelewa na it'll take time? Na unataka kusema neno kuchelewa. tafsiri yake ya Kiingereza ni it'll never? Similar argument:Sina haja ya kujaza mi-post ya nyuma kwenye post hii lakini sikukataa maelezo yako bali nilieleza kinagaubaga ni namna gani China itachelewa kuifikia US na nikaeleza ni namna gani population ya China ilivyo threat kufikia malengo mapana ya kiuchumi... Bandiko langu hapo juu ambalo linakufanya uhitimishe kwamba watu hatuelewi linaonesha ni wewe ndio huelewi coz' data ndo hizo tena kwamba umaskini China bado ni mkubwa huku wenyewe wakisema
AGAIN... do above sentences reflect what you say about me in any way? Does a sentence, "it'll take time... at least a decade..." is the same as saying "it'll never...?" Do I need to reveal to you that those are three different posts written at different time!! Sasa hata kama ninaamini hivyo unavyolazimisha wewe kwamba ninavyoamini kwamba eti namaanisha "China will never ever reach US standard.." yaani isitokee hata mara moja nikajisahau?uliyosema yote ni sahihi lakini kitachosababisha China kuchukua muda mrefu kufikia hayo uliyosema ni population. Hadi uchumi wa China uwe reflected to the entire population na kufikia US standard, it'll take time... at least a decade! Pamoja na kwamba middle class inakuwa lakini asilimia kubwa ya Wachina wanaishi maisha ya kawaida sana.
I hate to say this, but you was supposed to say ndio kitu kinachokuletea na ubishi sababu hakuna logic... na ofcoz, lazima upate utata kwa kuwa unabishania kitu ambacho ama kimeongelewa na mtu mwingine au hakipo kwenye mada hii! Sidhani kama maandishi yangu yana ambiguities zozote hadi atokee mtu wa kuyatafsiri....kitu ambacho ndio kinatuletea utata na ubishi sababu hakuna logic...
Come on Brother, first off all umenisingizia... never said any where that US is best of all in the world, especially when my concentration is on ustawi wa jamii. However, I can't hesitate to say the US Economy is the most stable economy than any other economy in the world... Just to recall and keep the records correct, Chige says:That is what I had been telling my.learned brother Chige, without Human Development Index and Improved Human Development Index the Purchasing Power Parity alone is not enough to say that USA has the best UJ in the World. Norway ranks first (Reference UNDP report of 2014) USA ranks 5th.
Bear in mind that an ordinary US citizen cannot afford best health care because he/she cannot afford Insurance cover which is a must in USA, mind Obama Care. Let me remind of the housing buble and the fore closure where millions of people in USA lost their homea due to defaulting their dues.
Most public institutions like schools and hospital are not good by their own USA standards and requirements.
Please do not compare the PPP/ HDI of USA and that of Bongo. You cannot even compare that of Norway vs USA.
And you know what, I am afraid may be you missed my point somewhere... am talking of economic development(refer the bold highlighted sentence in dark brown above)... when we talk of ustawi wa jamii we look on economic developement and not per capita! If you go through my posts, I gave examples of Scandinavian countries as best examples! Just to recall and keeps the record corrects, here:First, my concetration from the beginning had been economic development and not economic growth! GDP and economic growth are brother and sister while economic development is brother and sister to per capita GDP and there's no way I can mix GDP and economic growth!
Coming back to about poverty in US, as said earlier, no one who says every one in US is okay... it's me who said the US social welfare is much better as compared to China... and the reference here is between US and China! Having best social programs doesn't mean you'll have all people live above the poverty line especially for a larger country like US. And since we're comparing between US and China, the above data proves poverty in China is much higher as compared to US... am not talking of number of Chinese vs Americans but am talking of percentage Chinese vs Americans. If it's all about percentage, then we ignore China's high big population.
However, someone talked of Qatar & the like, again, I insisted to show how much figures (including per capita GDP) doesn't matter as long as we talk of economic development! Here again:... ndio maana ni nchi za Scandinavia ndizo zinaongoza kwenye ustawi wa jamii coz' population ya zile nchi ni ndogo na sidhani kama kuna any Scandinavian country ambayo population yake ina-exceed 10 million lakini zote si miongoni mwa nchi zenye GDP kubwa duniani!
Kama bado hujaona effect ya population kwenye economic development basi ningekushauri pitia upya makarabrasha yako ya uchumi!!
But all in all, I already got the last nail into the coffin since the beginning, I mean before above arguments, here's what I told Nyani Ngabu mwanzoni tu ma hoja yanguKwavile nilizungumzia ustawi wa jamii, kwa makusudi sikutaka kuzitaja Qatar, Brunei, UAE kwa sababu moja kubwa ya msingi! Ingawaje wana per capita kubwa sana, na wananchi wake kuwa na ustawi mkubwa wa kiuchumi, lakini kutokana na nature/utamaduni wa hizo nchi am afraid kama wako very much improved in terms of education... improvement inayoendana na utajiri wao! Kwa bahati mbaya, tunapozungumzia ustawi wa jamii, we don't concentrate into monetary income alone (ambayo no problem kwa Qatar, UAE, Brunei nd the like) bali tunaangalia hadi improvement of social services... one of the main being education.
I have no doubt that you know when we talk of IMF & World Bank indicators we simply talk of GDP and per capita GDP!Mkuu Nyani Ngabu, ukisikia ustawi wa jamii ina-include elimu, yaani unazingatia indicators za UNDP na sio hizi za IMF or World bank ambazo wanaangalia figures!
labda tuongee kwa mifano. Gabon, Botswana na equatorial guinea zina ustawi wa jamii mkubwa kuliko Nigeria lakini kisiasa, kiuchumi na kijeshi nani anaushawishi zaidi?. Norway wanaustawi kuliiko US lakini ni nani mwenye ushawishi mkubwa kwenye masuala ya dunia?.
ukiangalia hii trend utaona nchi zenye GDP PPP ndiyo zenye ushawishi mkubwa (nguvu). kwa hiyo kwa China kuipita US GDP PPP tutegemee ushawishi(nguvu) za US kupungua siku si nyingi.
That is what I had been telling my.learned brother Chige, without Human Development Index and Improved Human Development Index the Purchasing Power Parity alone is not enough to say that USA has the best UJ in the World. Norway ranks first (Reference UNDP report of 2014) USA ranks 5th.
Bear in mind that an ordinary US citizen cannot afford best health care because he/she cannot afford Insurance cover which is a must in USA, mind Obama Care. Let me remind of the housing buble and the fore closure where millions of people in USA lost their homea due to defaulting their dues.
Most public institutions like schools and hospital are not good by their own USA standards and requirements.
Please do not compare the PPP/ HDI of USA and that of Bongo. You cannot even compare that of Norway vs USA.
labda tuongee kwa mifano. Gabon, Botswana na equatorial guinea zina ustawi wa jamii mkubwa kuliko Nigeria lakini kisiasa, kiuchumi na kijeshi nani anaushawishi zaidi?. Norway wanaustawi kuliiko US lakini ni nani mwenye ushawishi mkubwa kwenye masuala ya dunia?.
ukiangalia hii trend utaona nchi zenye GDP PPP ndiyo zenye ushawishi mkubwa (nguvu). kwa hiyo kwa China kuipita US GDP PPP tutegemee ushawishi(nguvu) za US kupungua siku si nyingi.
Brazil na UK?? Japan na France??
Japan na Brazil zina GDP kubwa kuliko UK na France ila zenye ushawishi ni viceversa
hii ni sababu hizi nchi zilijilimbikizia mamlaka wakati zipo njema. mfano UK na France zina VETO wakati Japan na Brazil hawana. ila hilo nalo litabadilika soon.Brazil na UK?? Japan na France??
Japan na Brazil zina GDP kubwa kuliko UK na France ila zenye ushawishi ni viceversa