Huu Mkataba siyo Intergovernmental, Dubai siyo Nchi

lugano27 said:

Ndugu mimi ni muumuni wa uchumi huru, serikali za kiafrika zimefeli kuendesha hata mashirika muhimu kwa usalama (mfano nishati). Africa ya kusini wanahangaika na shirika lao (kwangu mimi ni uafrika ndio tatizo). Kuleta muwekezaji bandari ili kuongeza tija kwa nchi hapo hakuna tatizo. Tatizo ni lilelile la muda wote kuwa wawekezaji wa nje ndio jibu letu ( kwa mfano umeona mwenyewe UAE wanatumia kimkakati DPW!) Hiyo mikakati kwa kawaida ni kwa usalama na faida yao kwanza!.
Kama DPW inatumiwa kimkakati, kwanini sasa tuseme wamekuja tu kuongeza tija kwetu? Vipi mikakati hiyo ya UAE ikiwa ni hatari kwetu ( kupoka uhuru wetu?) Kwanini utata huu (ambao hata wewe umewanukuu TLS) usitatuliwe kwanza na mengine mengi yanayopigiwa kelele na wenye nchi (kama KWELI ni wenye NCHI) yasitatuliwe?
Nchi imegawanyika katika hili (na historia ya nyuma ni mwalimu mzuri), kwanini tuende tu na migawanyiko hii? Kumbe Zanzibar ilikosea ila kosa hilo lilikuwa linawapa faida Zanzibar ila hatari kwa muungano! Vipi ikiwa DPW wamekosea ila kosa hilo linawapa faida wao wenyewe na UAE na hatari kwetu, unadhani UAE watakuja ku- claim? (Kumbe ndo ile maana ya hata uhusiano wa kidiplomasia ukiharibika baina ya nchi huu MKATABA hauvunjiki!)..maana siku tukijajua tuliingizwa chaka kuwa Dubai ni nchi na tukaanza kupishana na UAE, mkataba utaendelea kutudunda tu!

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Hoja zako nyingi ninazielewa na kuzikubali, mkataba una matatizo mengi, ukisoma hiyo article utaona kabisa mkakati wa UAE wa ku monopolize biashara ya logistics/ bandari, na sisi tunawapa monopoly ya bandari zote, that is a single point of failure.

Makubaliano hayana clear end date, Tanganyika Law Society wamechambua vizuri sana, kifungu kwa kifungu.

Mkataba una matatizo mengi sana tunayoweza kuzungumza.

Lakini, hii point ya kwamba Dubai hawana nguvu ya kusaini intergovernment agreement ni very weak na a big distraction, kwa sababu tushaona UAE inafanya kazi kimkakati na Dubai/ DPW, sasa utafikiri watakosa kuidhinisha? Hawawezi.

So, tuongelee mapungufu ya IGA na jinsi ya kujiondoa katika IGA hii.

Habari za kusema Dubai haina nguvu za kusaini mkataba ni distraction tu.

MkamaP said:

Ingeipa mamlaka hua wanaandika kitu fulani kwa niaba ama mfano, ingekuwa UAE kisha pale chini yakawa Dubai.

Mfano:
United Republic of Tanzania
Local Government, Simiyu region.

Ila Hii unaona hata ile heading pale juu siyo UAE bali ni Dubai, kisha dubai anampa mtu mamlaka fulani kusaini. Haya ndo mambo yakutolea ufafanuzi kwa facts.

Uhalali wa Dubai kusaini ndo una establish uhalali wa mkataba, sasa utajua je kama kweli huo mkataba ni halali ama ni kundi la watu wachache kutumia brand ya DP world na Dubai ili kutupiga?

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Mkuu,

I'm just seeing this unfinished business. Nilikuwa natafuta mitanange ambayo haijaisha bado.Huu mtanange haujaisha.

Hujui makubaliano ya Dubai na UAE yakoje, hujui kama ni ya siri au wazi, hujui business strategy na risk management approach yao ikoje, you are arguing from a position of ignorance. And by that I simply mean lack of information. Your whole argument is based on information you do not have, not information you have.

Yani ni hivi, kungekuwa na habari, au document inayoonesha UAE wanapinga hili suala na kusema kwamba Dubai haiwezi kuingia IGA, kwa sababu UAE haijaidhinisha, hapo ungekuwa na point.

Lakini, hakuna habari hiyo. Sasa kama UAE wenyewe wako poa na hawajaraise any issue, wewe nani uje u raise hii issue ya UAE? Nani kakuchagua wewe uwe wakili wa UAE?

Unaamini kabisa kwamba Dubai, na mtandao wao wote wa kimataifa, na huyo Emir wao kuwa Prime Minister wa UAE, na ma lawyers wao wote, wataenda kufanya rookie mistake hii na kuacha loophole ya kufanya mkataba uwe null and void on a small technicality kama hii?

Halafu kwa nini Watanzania wanashikia bango hili wakati this is a matter for Dubai and the UAE? Na mambo mengi hayawekwi wazi, hata haya makubaliano ya IGA tu hayakutoka kwa njia rasmi, yamevuja.

Unabishaje kuwa Dubai kimsingi haijapewa idhini wakati sisi tumeona document moja tu, documents ambazo hatujaona ni nyingi sana?

MkamaP said:

Huu mkataba hauna hadhi ya intergovernmental yani IGA kwa sababu Dubai siyo nchi bali ni serikali ya mkoa kama serikali ya mkoa wa Simiyu.

Kwanini huu mkataba wanauita IGA wakati haukidhi matakwa ya kuitwa hivyo? Nasimama kuelimishwa.

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Can Dubai on its own enter the intergovernmental agreement ?


No, Dubai, as a city within the United Arab Emirates (UAE), does not have the authority to independently enter into intergovernmental agreements with foreign countries. The UAE, as a sovereign nation, is responsible for conducting international relations and negotiating agreements with other countries on behalf of all its emirates, including Dubai.
The UAE's federal government, based in Abu Dhabi, is the entity that handles foreign affairs, diplomacy, and the signing of international agreements. While Dubai has some autonomy in specific areas such as economic policies and regulations, matters of international diplomacy and foreign policy fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government.
Therefore, any intergovernmental agreements involving the UAE would be negotiated and signed by the federal government in coordination with all the emirates, including Dubai.
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Nashjndwa kuelewa kabisa, kwanini Rais Samia analazimisha hii issue ya bandari..

Ana maslahi gani ?

Anatuonaje sisi watanganyika? Wapumbavu au?

Kwanini baada tuu ya Magufuli kufariki, wamasai loliondo waliondewa kwa nguvu kupisha waarabu?

MkamaP said:

Inabidi waje waeleze kwanza uhalali wake wa dubai-mkoa ndani ya UAE kuitwa ni IGA. Huwezi ingia mkataba na mkoa na nchi ukaitwa IGA.

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Ingekua heri hata wangesaini na Dubai, ukweli ni kwamba mkataba ni IGA ila umesainiwa kati ya serikali ya Tanzania na DP world.. sijui tunaakili gani Watanzania.

imhotep said:

Kama katiba yao inaruhusu individual Sheikhdom kuingia mikataba ya kimataifa je?

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DP world ndio tumesaini nao mkataba, hata sio serikali ya dubai

Kwanini huu mkataba wanauita IGA wakati haukidhi matakwa ya kuitwa hivyo? Nasimama kuelimishwa.[emoji419][emoji375]

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MkamaP said:

Huu mkataba hauna hadhi ya intergovernmental yani IGA kwa sababu Dubai siyo nchi bali ni serikali ya mkoa kama serikali ya mkoa wa Simiyu.

Kwanini huu mkataba wanauita IGA wakati haukidhi matakwa ya kuitwa hivyo? Nasimama kuelimishwa.

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Can Dubai on its own enter the intergovernmental agreement ?


No, Dubai, as a city within the United Arab Emirates (UAE), does not have the authority to independently enter into intergovernmental agreements with foreign countries. The UAE, as a sovereign nation, is responsible for conducting international relations and negotiating agreements with other countries on behalf of all its emirates, including Dubai.
The UAE's federal government, based in Abu Dhabi, is the entity that handles foreign affairs, diplomacy, and the signing of international agreements. While Dubai has some autonomy in specific areas such as economic policies and regulations, matters of international diplomacy and foreign policy fall under the jurisdiction of the federal government.
Therefore, any intergovernmental agreements involving the UAE would be negotiated and signed by the federal government in coordination with all the emirates, including Dubai.
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Dubai is a state, na ina serikali yake Emirate with full powers na Mfalme ni absolute Monarchy, kila kitu kiko owned na Mfalme.

MkamaP said:

Soma yote paragraph ya pili. Nime copy na ku paste swali ktk application hiyohiyo imenipa majibu tofauti, ambayo hapo chini. Hata hivyo , kama una facts zaidi kuhusiana na jambo hilo tupatie tujifunze zaidi.

Can the government of Dubai sign an inter government agreement with foreign countries?




While Dubai has a level of autonomy in certain areas, including economic policies and regulations, the authority to sign intergovernmental agreements with foreign countries lies with the federal government of the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
Dubai is one of the seven emirates that make up the UAE, and foreign affairs, including the negotiation and signing of international agreements, are handled by the federal government based in Abu Dhabi. The federal government represents the UAE as a whole and is responsible for conducting foreign relations and entering into agreements with foreign countries on behalf of all the emirates.
While Dubai may play a role in facilitating and participating in discussions related to specific agreements, the final authority and legal capacity to sign intergovernmental agreements rest with the federal government of the UAE.

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Tabutupu said:

DP world ndio tumesaini nao mkataba, hata sio serikali ya dubai

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Mkuu umeisoma IGA? Page ya 4 mwanzo kabisa?

Umesoma ukurasa wa 34 kwenye saini?

Umesoma instruments of power pages 37 na 38?

Mshana Jr said:

Kwanini huu mkataba wanauita IGA wakati haukidhi matakwa ya kuitwa hivyo? Nasimama kuelimishwa.[emoji419][emoji375]

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Kwani ili kitu kiitwe IGA inabidi kiweje kwa uelewa wako?

Unaposema mkataba haukidhi matakwa ya kuitwa IGA, unamaanisha matakwa gani?

Midimay said:

Hivi kwanini hili halitolewi ufafanuzi? Halafu kwenye IGA wameongelea mambo ya kidiplomasia kuharibika, kutovunjika kwa mkataba.
Sasa tunawezaje kuingia mgogoro wa kidiplomasia na jimbo la UAE? Na jimbo lenyewe hatuna mahusiano ya kidiplomasia nalo? Na haiwezekani kuwa na mahusiano ya kidiplomasia na mkoa ndani ya UAE.
Mwenye territory ni UAE. Hivi UAE ikisema huingii Dubai, utaingia?
Je, Dubai inamiliki passport inayotambulika na duniani?

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Siku mkigombana na Rwanda kwa Mfano na hapo UAE au Dubai wakaamua kiwasaidia Rwanda still hamuwezi kuwafanya chochote. Inshort wanaweza hata kutumia hizo bandari zenu Kuingiza silaha kwa ajili ya adui yenu and you can't do shit about it.

Village fooler said:

Tushirikiane watanganyika kukataa wazanzibar kuuza bandari zetu.
Kama mkataba ni kwa manufaa kwanini bandari za Zanzibar hazijajumuishwa kwenye mkataba sijui makubaliano haya??
Hakuna mkataba usiokua na ukomo huo ni uuzaji.

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Ukisoma wameuza hadi Anga [emoji23][emoji23] ndio maana ya territory

MkamaP said:

Can Dubai on its own enter the intergovernmental agreement ?

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Ndio maana yule mburushi akasema Mahakama zetu hazina meno Mahakama na watendaji wake ni vibaraka wa Serikali mbele ya Serikali Mahakama hazina la kusema akitolea mfano Mahakama ya Kisutu ikiwa ni mfano hai wa Mahakama zote, ina maana wanasheria wetu wa ndani hawajaliona hilo au majaji na mahakimu hawajiliona hilo au wanalinda vibarua vyao walivyopewa na Serikali hawataki kutenda kinyume na Serikali hata km wanaona Serikali inakosea au inatenda kinyume na sheria ? Kongole nampa yule mama jaji jina lake limenitoka

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Midimay said:

Hivi kwanini hili halitolewi ufafanuzi? Halafu kwenye IGA wameongelea mambo ya kidiplomasia kuharibika, kutovunjika kwa mkataba.
Sasa tunawezaje kuingia mgogoro wa kidiplomasia na jimbo la UAE? Na jimbo lenyewe hatuna mahusiano ya kidiplomasia nalo? Na haiwezekani kuwa na mahusiano ya kidiplomasia na mkoa ndani ya UAE.
Mwenye territory ni UAE. Hivi UAE ikisema huingii Dubai, utaingia?
Je, Dubai inamiliki passport inayotambulika na duniani?

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Kazi kweli kweli...

Fumadilu Kalimanzila said:

Ndio shida ya kuongozwa na mtu mwenye elimu ya kuungaunga! Masijala na mambo gani sijui!
Sasa mkataba ataweza kuusoma na kuelewa kweli!?

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Tatizo sio yeye SSH tatizo ni wasaidizi wake wakiwemo wanasheria wa Serikali kuna mwanasheria Mkuu wa Serikali inamaana unataka kusema kabla haujasainiwa hawakushirikishwa na yeye mwanasheria Mkuu ameukingia kifua huo MKATABA bila kuelewa kua Dubai sio Nchi ni MJI haiwezi kua IGA km Nchi 1 inaingia MKATABA na MJI mmoja wa Dubai inamaana mwanasheria Mkuu wa Serikali hakuona hayo mapungufu ya mkataba ?

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404 Pages said:

Tatizo sio yeye SSH tatizo ni wasaidizi wake wakiwemo wanasheria wa Serikali kuna mwanasheria Mkuu wa Serikali inamaana unataka kusema kabla haujasainiwa hawakushirikishwa na yeye mwanasheria Mkuu ameukingia kifua huo MKATABA bila kuelewa kua Dubai sio Nchi ni MJI haiwezi kua IGA km Nchi 1 inaingia MKATABA na MJI mmoja wa Dubai inamaana mwanasheria Mkuu wa Serikali hakuona hayo mapungufu ya mkataba ?

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Kitanzania washauri ndio wanashauriwa na rais, halafu kauli ya rais haipingwi.

Kiranga said:

Kitanzania washauri ndio wanashauriwa na rais, halafu kauli ya rais haipingwi.

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Kwa hio unataka kusema walimwambia huu mkataba mbovu alafu yeye saa100 akakomaa kusema niacheni najua ninachokifanya msinipangie cha kufanya mimi ndio rais ? Ndio unamaanisha hivyo ?

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404 Pages said:

Kwa hio unataka kusema walimwambia huu mkataba mbovu alafu yeye saa100 akakomaa kusema niacheni najua ninachokifanya msinipangie cha kufanya mimi ndio rais ? Ndio unamaanisha hivyo ?

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Samia watu wa Usalama wa Taifa wamemuendea wakamwambia Mama mwanao anaonekana ana hela nyingi sana, hili kinaweza kuleta matatizo.

Akawajibu, sasa mnataka nifanye nini? Nimkamate mwanangu?

Watu wa Usalama wakanywea.

Sasa hapo utawalaumu watu wa Usalama?

Huu mkataba umekuwa firced top down, ndiyo maana haujabadilishwa hata nukta.

Hao wanasheria wote wa serikali na maofisa waandamuzi wamepewa amri wapitishe kila kitu kama kilivyo, na hakuna mwenye uthabiti wa kujiuzulu na kusema madudu.

Midimay said:

Hivi kwanini hili halitolewi ufafanuzi? Halafu kwenye IGA wameongelea mambo ya kidiplomasia kuharibika, kutovunjika kwa mkataba.
Sasa tunawezaje kuingia mgogoro wa kidiplomasia na jimbo la UAE? Na jimbo lenyewe hatuna mahusiano ya kidiplomasia nalo? Na haiwezekani kuwa na mahusiano ya kidiplomasia na mkoa ndani ya UAE.
Mwenye territory ni UAE. Hivi UAE ikisema huingii Dubai, utaingia?
Je, Dubai inamiliki passport inayotambulika na duniani?

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In theory serikali ya Dubai haiwezi kusaini mkataba wa IGA na nchi ya kigeni bila idhini ya serikali ya UAE (ibara ya 120 ya katiba ya UAE), na mahusiano ya kidiplomasia hapa ni kati ya Tanzania na UAE. Serikali ya UAE itakuwa imeidhinisha mkataba, sema mkataba uko vague ingekuwa vizuri mahusiano ya kidiplomasia yakatajwa kuwa ni kati ya Tanzania na UAE. Peter Madeleka ameongelea hili sana, nafikiri na analysis ya TLS imegusia if I am not mistaken.

Serikali ya UAE ime devolve powers zake kwa serikali ya Dubai.

Zaidi ya hapo, hii ni clause standard katika mikataba mikubwa ya kimataifa. Mantiki yake ni kwamba, muwekezaji aweze kuwekeza fedha nyingi kwenye mradi bila kuogopa matatizo ya kidiplomasia kumuingilia katika uwekezaji wake.

Otherwise, ukitaka kuvunja mkataba unatangaza mgogoro wa kidiplomasia na UAE, unafukuza balozi, unasema mkataba umevunjika kwa kuwa mahusiano ya kidiplomasia yamekwisha, which is pretty ridiculous.

Kiranga said:

Samia watu wa Usalama wa Taifa wamemuendea wakamwambia Mama mwanao anaonekana ana hela nyingi sana, hili kinaweza kuleta matatizo.

Akawajibu, sasa mnataka nifanye nini? Nimkamate mwanangu?

Watu wa Usalama wakanywea.

Sasa hapo utawalaumu watu wa Usalama?

Huu mkataba umekuwa firced top down, ndiyo maana haujabadilishwa hata nukta.

Hao wanasheria wote wa serikali na maofisa waandamuzi wamepewa amri wapitishe kila kitu kama kilivyo, na hakuna mwenye uthabiti wa kujiuzulu na kusema madudu.

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Kwa hio mzigo huu unamuhusu yeye mwenyewe sio wanasheria wa Serikali, aliwahi kusomea Sheria kwani ?

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