Holocaust Vs Slavery

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Paul S.S

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Wakuu punde tu nimetoka kuangalia movie ya Schendle's List, na nimevutika kuiangalia baada ya last week kuangalia Escape from sabibor.
Mwanzo kabisa nilikua naamini hakuna kipindi kibaya sana kwa maisha ya binadamu kama ulivyokuwa wakati wa utumwa
Lakini sasa baada ya kuangalia hizi movies nashawishika kuamini Jews walipitia kipindi kibaya sana wakati huo.
What do tou think?
 
I think the Holocaust lasted for a decade (at the most) and that the recognition of their suffering came fast and today the international community (particularly the European countries) are still paying the price of their idleness during the period. Na ndio maana Israel can do whatever they want, in the name of "preventing them selves from a new Holocaust". It is a bit what the current Rwandese government is trying to do for the Tutsies.
Kumbuka pia kuna other people who went in those camps zaidi ya Jews, kama Jehovah witness, homosexuals, blacks, other semits like Arabs etc, ila havisemwi sana to maximize the guilt of other nations. It happened in few countries (I think 2 or 3), during war time when all actors had something else in mind.
On the other hand slavery wend on for centuries and has still not been officially recognized, no compensation has ever been paid and even the descendants of the slaves were not given a "special treatment" to facilitate their integration in a society dominated by the descendants of their oppressors who had already good wealth, education and other tools to survive and succeed in a capitalist word. this happened in two continents, everywhere, and was backed by the law, in peaceful and war time.
Kwa mtazamo wangu the slavery was a greater crime, ingawa hii nayo sio ndogo. I have seen the movie (Schindler's list) and was touched by the scene with the little girl who had a red dress... I hate it when little girls suffer, you know what I mean :)
 
Ofcoz they were both worse incidents in human history. The slavery went on much longer, and probably more people were enslaved than died in the holocaust.

However, at least the slavers were not trying to eliminate the black race. They enslaved some black people, but they didn't want to kill them, ilikuwa ni kwa faida yao to keep them alive.
It was a horrible thing to do, but slaves did not experience the horror of being puting on those consentration camps that can killed 10 thousand Jews in one day. They also starved, were burned alive, were victims of crazy test medical experiment, gassed, shot, raped,march to death and the list goes on,
Some slaves were better treated than others, and although it is true that they were at the mercy of their owners, the fact is that most owners wanted their slaves alive, not dead.

The Holocaust was a delibrate and coldly caluclated attempt to completely eliminate certain groups of people, particularly the Jews, but many others were targeted as well. There was no hope for those who were sent to the concentration camps, their only purpose was to die.

ingawaje wakati mwingine Tortures is worse than killing, and i dont means that slavery is not worse, lakini nafikiri holocaust is more worse
 
Ni mtazamo wako... what about the recognition of the crime? mi nadhani wenyewe wameanza healing process baada ya kuommbwa msamaha. sisi je? huoni kama psychologically na statutory tunahitaji recognition pia?
 
RussianRoulette said:
Ni mtazamo wako... what about the recognition of the crime? mi nadhani wenyewe wameanza healing process baada ya kuommbwa msamaha. sisi je? huoni kama psychologically na statutory tunahitaji recognition pia?
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Ulimakafu said:
Una hoja wewe.
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Kama mnazungumzia aftermath ni kweli Jews wanaonekana kupewa kipaumbele zaidi, lakini ni pengine holocaust imetokea karibuni zaidi na lengo ilikuwa kuwafuta katika uso wa dunia, pia miifumo ya kiutawala ilikua imeisha jijenga vizuri tofauti na enzi za utumwa,
Mimi nilikua jaribu kuangalia jinsi gani wakati haya yanatokea watu walivyokuwa wanaji feel at that moment, its so bad aisee
 
RussianRoulette said:
I think the Holocaust lasted for a decade (at the most) and that the recognition of their suffering came fast and today the international community (particularly the European countries) are still paying the price of their idleness during the period. Na ndio maana Israel can do whatever they want, in the name of "preventing them selves from a new Holocaust". It is a bit what the current Rwandese government is trying to do for the Tutsies.
Kumbuka pia kuna other people who went in those camps zaidi ya Jews, kama Jehovah witness, homosexuals, blacks, other semits like Arabs etc, ila havisemwi sana to maximize the guilt of other nations. It happened in few countries (I think 2 or 3), during war time when all actors had something else in mind.
On the other hand slavery wend on for centuries and has still not been officially recognized, no compensation has ever been paid and even the descendants of the slaves were not given a "special treatment" to facilitate their integration in a society dominated by the descendants of their oppressors who had already good wealth, education and other tools to survive and succeed in a capitalist word. this happened in two continents, everywhere, and was backed by the law, in peaceful and war time.
Kwa mtazamo wangu the slavery was a greater crime, ingawa hii nayo sio ndogo. I have seen the movie (Schindler's list) and was touched by the scene with the little girl who had a red dress... I hate it when little girls suffer, you know what I mean :)
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Very well said Dada,very very well said!Ntakuwa nazitafuta posts zako nizisome.Umenisuuza moyo wangu!Lol!
 
jmushi1 said:
Very well said Dada,very very well said!Ntakuwa nazitafuta posts zako nizisome.Umenisuuza moyo wangu!Lol!
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Asante sana. Kama sikosei nadhani tulisha kutana katika post ilikua inahusu politics and religion, kama sio hiyo basi ni kule wall street protest. I also liked your approach. asante kwa kuni-encourage, kumbe kuna watu wanasoma kweli, ngoja niache ujinga aisee... lol
 
RussianRoulette said:
Asante sana. Kama sikosei nadhani tulisha kutana katika post ilikua inahusu politics and religion, kama sio hiyo basi ni kule wall street protest. I also liked your approach. asante kwa kuni-encourage, kumbe kuna watu wanasoma kweli, ngoja niache ujinga aisee... lol
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Unasomwa tu Dada.I will be your follower,not like tweeter tho!Lol!But yea,on a serious note.Tunafuatilia wengi wetu.Nimeipenda sana analysis yako.So i like the way you think,and also your eloquency,if i may.
 
paulss said:
Ofcoz they were both worse incidents in human history. The slavery went on much longer, and probably more people were enslaved than died in the holocaust.

However, at least the slavers were not trying to eliminate the black race. They enslaved some black people, but they didn't want to kill them, ilikuwa ni kwa faida yao to keep them alive.
It was a horrible thing to do, but slaves did not experience the horror of being puting on those consentration camps that can killed 10 thousand Jews in one day. They also starved, were burned alive, were victims of crazy test medical experiment, gassed, shot, raped,march to death and the list goes on,
Some slaves were better treated than others, and although it is true that they were at the mercy of their owners, the fact is that most owners wanted their slaves alive, not dead.

The Holocaust was a delibrate and coldly caluclated attempt to completely eliminate certain groups of people, particularly the Jews, but many others were targeted as well. There was no hope for those who were sent to the concentration camps, their only purpose was to die.

ingawaje wakati mwingine Tortures is worse than killing, and i dont means that slavery is not worse, lakini nafikiri holocaust is more worse
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Hapo kwenye red, hayo mambo ya kutisha ndio walifanyiwa slaves esp. those who were toiling in N. America.
Female slaves were raped and sodomized sometimes in front of their husbands and kids on a broad daylight!!
Speaking of unethical medical experiment, do you remember anything about the Syphilis and the Tuskegee airmen of Alabama?
Or do you remember about massive sterillization of male slaves who were considered too violent and female slaves who were considered too dumb to conceive?
Do you remember about lynching in the slavery states?
In short, Slavery was more of unspeakable evil than Holocaust, may be sababu Steven Spielberg hajatengeneza movie kali ya slavery ndio maana Slavery inakuwa overlooked.
 
russianroulette said:
so long as steven spielberg hajatoa movie, generation ya leo haita jua hivyo vitu. Kila kitu kimekua entertainement, hawataki kusoma kabisa!
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ni kweli unakuta watu wapo tu mind za kuserebuka,kujilusha,kuchizika,wakati wenzao wanahamisha utajili kwa simbioni na epa hakuna anye kaa chini na kuona milango ya okampo kuwa sue hawa mamba, wamekalia ku club russiaroulettte uko njema.
 
Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property and are forced to work Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Conditions that can be considered slavery include debt bondage, indentured servitude, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, adoption in which children are effectively forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, and forced marriage.
There are more slaves today than at any point in history, remaining as high as 12 million to 27 million,even though slavery is now outlawed in all countries. Several estimates of the number of slaves in the world have been provided. According to a broad definition of slavery used by Kevin Bales of Free the Slaves (FTS), an advocacy group linked with Anti-Slavery International, there were 27 million people in slavery in 1999, spread all over the world. In 2005, the International Labour Organization provided an estimate of 12.3 million forced labourers in the world,.Thanks to the ILO Special Action Programme to Combat Forced Labour
Chattel slavery
Chattel slavery, so named because people are treated as the personal property of an owner and are bought and sold as commodities, is the traditional form of slavery. It is the least prevalent form of slavery today.
Bonded labor
Debt bondage or bonded labor is when a person pledges themselves against a loan. In debt bondage, the services required to repay the debt may be undefined, and the services' duration may be undefined.Debt bondage can be passed on from generation to generation.It is the most widespread form of slavery today.
Human trafficking
Human trafficking is the illegal trade in human beings to work as slaves.
Forced labor
Forced labor is when an individual is forced to work against their will, under threat of violence or other punishment, with restrictions on their freedom. It is also used to describe all types of slavery and may also include institutions not commonly classified as slavery, such as serfdom, conscription and penal labor.
 
Paul... utumwa ni soo kiasi kwamba huwezi hata kutengenezea movie mkuu whatever you see in movie kuhusu slavery is not even 1% of the torture

babu yangu alinisimulia in teh late seventies story moja walikua wanaenda kufungulia watu in the twenties waliokua bado watumwa anakwambia mtu anakaa na maiti ya ndugu yake hadi inabaki fuvu wanachukua wanafanya kuni........... cant even comprehend and that old man (my name sake) died a very distressed man.... unaambiwa haya ya kugeuzwa kinyume, wanawake kufanyiwa kila kitu na kila kibaya unachojua kipo kule kwani during slavery hapakua na rules or regulations kama enzi za hitler

CAN EVEN COMPARE
 
Guyz naona kumtaja steve imekuwa nongwa

Anyway I was trying to rise this worse events just to see how other people think about it, its a part of learning
Naujua utumwa kwa kuusoma zaidi but i was not aware about what exactly happens during Holocaust until I watch those movies
Kusema ukweli I was shocked na kujua kumbe sio mababu zetu waliopitia kipindi kibaya cha utumwa, wapo na wengine pia.
Najua zipo movies kadhaa za utumwa lakini kwakuwa wao ndio watendaji wakuu hivyo hawawezi kuonyesha uhalisia wa kilichojiri wakati wa utumwa
Na pengine kuna watu wanadhania namaanisha Utumwa haukuwa mbaya kiasi hicho, nope.
Holocaust ilikuwa ni mpango wa kuwauwa tabaka fullani la jamii
Slavery ilikuwa ni kutumikisha tabaka fulani la jamii kama wanyama(its a kind o torturing, na kama nilivyosema sometimes Tortures is worse than killing)
Ukizingatia wengi wa watumwa ni babu zetu basi wengi wanaweza ona kama sina uzalendo, najaribu tu ku compare hayo mapitio na kuona wengine wanasemaje juu ya hili ,thats all
 
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