China, Tanzania carrying out month long joint naval drills

[mossad007]

Upto now am not aware of any war that TPDF went into it alone without dragging everybody into it. In Uganda, they we assisted by
- Museveni and his guerillas
- Tanzanian villagers
- JKT youths
- Police
- Soldiers from Angola
- Soldiers from Mozambique
And also note, they were lucky that Ugandans were already tired of Amin, otherwise they'd have come out in millions to protect and defend their flag. They simply allowed the shame of a foreign army urinating on their land because Amin had gotten to their throat with his dictatorship.

In their war against M23, they went in there to help Congo armed forces and fought alongside Congolese army, South Africans and Malawians. Also note, UN had managed to keep Rwanda off from helping those M23 kids. Above all, M23 comprised of so many child-fighters, they had recruited so many children. Finally, note that M23, their motivation was greed and money unlike the Alshabaabs who are driven religiously and were fighting without a care or worry of death.

I am responding to you since you seem a bit knowledgeable as opposed to most of noise makers around. The war against Alshabaab was a blend of conventional and asymmetrical, The American military went in the 1990s and took off immediately, U.N. peacekeeping forces made a hasty exit, Ethiopian ground forces took the capital and then left it, and Ugandan and Burundian soldiers fought tooth and nail for Mogadishu for years. It's only after KDF took the battle there and managed to obliterate those guys.

Fighting against such lunatics in Somalia streets, requires military precision and calculations, unlike having it easy in the jungle with M23 kids where you can just fire anything and everything into the forest hoping nothing survives in there.

Lawmaina78 lets talk intelligent talks...
1. We fought a War with Uganda alongside local Ugandans but don't forget Uganda had a Technical and financial Support from Libya and Western publications which intended to play a demoral psychological tactic on our troops and yet we won... u guys are fighting Al Shabaab whose only formidable arsenals they ever known are Kalashinikov and yet they are alone but KDF still relies on UPDF, USA, AMISOM, Ethiopia and Somalia army itself with support of Somali people with combination of tanks, helicopters, Mortars, Artilleries, Fighter jets, Navy vessels, and the likes yet the toll still takes on ur side na hakijaeleweka mpka leo.... ni mwaka mzima na miez naa sasa sisi tuliimaliza M23 kwa wiki 3 na Uganda nzima ikiwa na Support ya Libya kwa miez 10 tu...
U claim we won on Amini cz Ugandans had no support to him sasa nakuuliza mbona Al Shabaab wanapingwa na Serikali yao na Wananchi na hamjashinda..??
2. That M23 greedy was driven out money and they were scared... usinichekeshe wewe... we gave them an amnesty ultimatum of 31days to surrender or face fight and they choose fight if they were scared why did they choose fight..?? Or u have become their propaganda tool...?? Lawmaina78 dont fool us that Al shabaab are fighting with Kenya for religious reasons... Al shabaab fights KDF for political motives as they want ur troops out of Somalia. Yet if KDF is good enough there are no rooms for excuses its either u win a war against poor ill equipped and scrappy Al Shabaab militias or face what yo going through nw.
3. I agree fighting with Al Shabaab needs precision and calculatuions bcz sm of the battles are urbanly located... but Mr. mind u .... JWTZ set these standards 36 yrs ago while fighting in the outskirts of Jinja, Mbarara and Kampala which were more modern, complicated and comprised of dense population than the scrappy an Old Barawe with houses fool of mushrooms, un developed and less populated... what KDF is trying to perform today TPDF dd with flying colours 4 decades ago and with much rated opponent.
For ur information precision and calculations are part and parcel of any battlefield tactics unfortunately for Kenyans they know less... that if yo fighting in the jungle u only fire anywhere expecting to kill dozens and leave nothing surviving... with these breaking news information No wonder 4 ill equipped terrorists were able to hold armed forces of the whole nation for 4 days.

 

[Yule-Msee]

Mbona watanzania wanakwepa swali la wapi warship yenyu, hii maneno ya ku discuss kdf ni side show, mnayo ama hamna?

 

[Geza Ulole]

The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) - or as many Chinese like to call it, "the navy" - is kicking off the month-long "Beyond 2014" bilateral naval exercises with the much less frequently discussed Tanzanian navy.

The two nations actually have strong defense cooperation ties, and this exercise will focus on anti-piracy, marine security, and counter-terrorism operations.

While Tanzania isn't exactly a fulcrum of Great Power struggle, these exercises are a fantastic chance to get a snapshot of the many different roles a naval presence can fill in international relations.

China is, on one hand, a global power. If you start listing countries according to the sizes of their economy, population, military, and so on, you mention China way more often than you have to count to 10.

That said, China is not at all global, and so a major Chinese naval expedition or military presence in Tanzania sounds a bit strange.

And so more specifically, China is a rising global power. Power is tied closely with how a nation projects its hard and soft power beyond its borders, and oceangoing navies are all about projecting.

That's why a growing naval presence is very nearly a corollary to being a rising global power.

Aircraft carriers - the ultimate weapons of peace. Read more here.

Some of the expanding Chinese naval presence is very public, open, and internationally engaging, like the ongoing Chinese participation in anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden.

These patrols, which started in 2008, were China's first big global naval field trip, and have netted them operational experience, credit for contributing to the global maritime commons, and international goodwill.

Perhaps as a result, China has been expanding its activity in the Gulf, sending a submarine to join the anti-piracy operation. The submarine, a Type 039 Song-class diesel attack submarine - China's first fully indigenous submarine class - shipped out just last month, making a stop in the Sri Lankan capital of Colombo, and marking the first time that a Chinese submarine had "openly visited a nation in the Indian Ocean."

This move raised a great many eyebrows in India. Sri Lanka is about 20 miles from the Indian coast, and India tends to regard the Indian Ocean as being their very own personal ocean. Maybe the name has something to do with it.

The reaction prompted the Chinese Ministry of Defense to issue a press release telling people, essentially, to just chill. Very poorly paraphrased: "Submarines are ships. Ships need to dock for supplies.

Ships dock at ports. Colombo is a port. You guys can see what I'm getting at here, right? No reason to freak out."

Colombo is an interesting port, because ships going to and fro between the center of gravity of the world's energy supplies (the Middle East) and the scene of the world's most aggressive economic expansion (Asia) pop into Colombo very frequently.

In fact, last December, the Iranian navy dropped by Colombo, as Iran continues the process of building up its own long-distance oceangoing capabilities.

Iran has been using its navy to make diplomatic statements and carry out a soft power presence mission, venturing further and further afield in recent years.

For instance, last March the Iranian navy paid its first official visit to China, stopping at the port of Zhanjiang.

These growing ties with Iran are the context behind the Chinese navy's first visit to Iran. A trip that, coincidentally, took on even more import when an Iranian navy ship on patrol in the Gulf of Aden rescued a Chinese container ship from pirates.

Last month's visit of Chinese warships to an Iranian port, kicking off a five-day joint training exercise, also marked the first entry of a Chinese naval vessel into the Persian Gulf. Since then, China and Iran have been continuing high-level dialog about further naval cooperation.

That said, the Chinese Navy is far from being able to effectively challenge the US naval presence in the Gulf. Aside from supporting air and ground operations, the US Navy's focus has been on both maintaining free movement of shipping - i.e., oil tankers - in and out of the Gulf in general, and deterring Iran in particular from getting any bright ideas about messing with the free flow of the world's oil supply.

China is none too keen to disrupt the world's flow of oil, and would be very unlikely to oppose any efforts to keep the Persian Gulf open.

This led some observers to speculate that this visit and associated diplomatic developments are part of a counter to the Obama administration's strategic (and semi-apocryphal) "Pivot to Asia."

The idea that China is showing the flag in the Persian Gulf as a signal to the US is an interesting suggestion. This year marked China's first participation in the world's largest naval exercise, the US-led Rim of the Pacific Exercise, or RIMPAC. China agreed to send four ships to participate, including the hospital ship Peace Ark (which VICE News toured for an episode of War Games).

The Chinese also sent a spy ship to monitor the exercise. Privately, US Navy officials suggested that the spy ship was a good thing, since it further cemented the precedent that you can do anything you want in international waters, so long as you're not hurting anyone.

In Photos: The world's largest naval exercise, RIMPAC 2014. Read more here.

This concept of "freedom of navigation" is something that China hasn't entirely signed onto. In December 2013, a Chinese warship cut off a US Navy ship monitoring a Chinese exercise, nearly causing a collision and an international incident.

Demonstrating the fact that the US are cool about the Chinese monitoring in the international waters near Hawaii would, it is hoped, convince the Chinese to chill out a bit.

This year also marked the debut appearance of India's new stealthy guided-missile frigate the INS Sahyadri at RIMPAC. India is becoming an increasingly important naval power as it pushes modernization and expansion of its capabilities.

Although some have feared a naval arms race with China, Southeast Asia seems to be serving as an effective partition between China and India's regional naval expansions, at least in the short term.

China may be pushing aggressively into the South China Sea, and India may regard the Indian Ocean as its own personal lake, but geography is keeping the two from getting too far up in each other's business.

The existence of that buffer may be a major factor in slowing a naval arms race, but the rapid acquisitions of new submarines, amphibious warships, and other assets by countries throughout the region mean fears of a regional naval arms race aren't unfounded.

Which brings us back to Tanzania. An added complication is that China is shelling out $10 billion for a deep water port on the Indian Ocean - in, yes, Tanzania at the town of Bagomoyo. Some observers argue that this port, which will be the biggest in Africa, is destined to become one more pearl in China's "String of Pearls" - a series of commercial and military bases China has been building from the Chinese mainland to Africa.

As a major naval base, it would vastly expand China's ability to project power throughout the Indian Ocean and around Africa.

This would almost certainly cause the Indian Navy to start losing its collective shit, which would likely be followed by a sharp change in Indian naval acquisitions.

Other commentaries have contended that the port couldn't function as a major naval base, because the port access is only 14 meters deep - too shallow for submarines.

But being unable to host submarines wouldn't preclude China from running anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden out of Bagomoyo.

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In any case, even if the port merely serves as a commercial hub for Chinese interests in Africa, it will still be important to Beijing.

Increasing amounts of Chinese commercial shipping to and from Africa will mean that China is going to be more heavily invested in maintaining free movement of its own shipping across the Indian Ocean, likely drawing the Chinese Navy further toward the Tanzanian coast whether they're planning for it right now or not.

So the Tanzanian navy may not be one of the world's, say, 100 most powerful navies right now, but it could turn out it'll have a hell of a front row seat to what could become one of the world's most fascinating Great Power struggles of the 21st century: The possibility of China trying to strangle India with its String of Pearls.

Source: https://news.vice.com/article/china...exercise-as-the-indian-ocean-region-goes-nuts

 

[flyingcrane]

Kenya imezitia nchi zote za EAC kwenye kikaango na kuzikaanga vilivyo kwa manufaa yake...TZ ndio wajanja nao wakajipata pekeyao,
My take is that by 2030 Kenya wil have the muscle to even sufforcate some of the EAC's economies..we know how to play mind games, wanasiasa wa TZ hawawezi kucheza international politics na kilichobaki ni kuwalaumu wakenya. if you cant beat them join them, pandeni gari la EAC mukae backseat tuwasafirishe bila kusahau dereva ikiwa Kenya...long live Kenya

 

[mossad007]

Kenya imezitia nchi zote za EAC kwenye kikaango na kuzikaanga vilivyo kwa manufaa yake...TZ ndio wajanja nao wakajipata pekeyao,
My take is that by 2030 Kenya wil have the muscle to even sufforcate some of the EAC's economies..we know how to play mind games, wanasiasa wa TZ hawawezi kucheza international politics na kilichobaki ni kuwalaumu wakenya. if you cant beat them join them, pandeni gari la EAC mukae backseat tuwasafirishe bila kusahau dereva ikiwa Kenya...long live Kenya

Ha ha ha... naona mnazidi kuongeza miaka tu ... ilikua by 2020 saa hii naona mmerukia 2030.... hizi by 2030.. 2040.. 50 mtazisema sana hizi.. dawa yenu iko Tanzania wanaoweza kuwapatanisha nchi nzima pale mnapochinjana wenyewe.. Mungu ibariki Africa Mungu ibariki Tanzania.

 

[MK254]

Lawmaina78 lets talk intelligent talks...
1. We fought a War with Uganda alongside local Ugandans but don't forget Uganda had a Technical and financial Support from Libya and Western publications which intended to play a demoral psychological tactic on our troops and yet we won... u guys are fighting Al Shabaab whose only formidable arsenals they ever known are Kalashinikov and yet they are alone but KDF still relies on UPDF, USA, AMISOM, Ethiopia and Somalia army itself with support of Somali people with combination of tanks, helicopters, Mortars, Artilleries, Fighter jets, Navy vessels, and the likes yet the toll still takes on ur side na hakijaeleweka mpka leo.... ni mwaka mzima na miez naa sasa sisi tuliimaliza M23 kwa wiki 3 na Uganda nzima ikiwa na Support ya Libya kwa miez 10 tu...
U claim we won on Amini cz Ugandans had no support to him sasa nakuuliza mbona Al Shabaab wanapingwa na Serikali yao na Wananchi na hamjashinda..??
2. That M23 greedy was driven out money and they were scared... usinichekeshe wewe... we gave them an amnesty ultimatum of 31days to surrender or face fight and they choose fight if they were scared why did they choose fight..?? Or u have become their propaganda tool...?? Lawmaina78 dont fool us that Al shabaab are fighting with Kenya for religious reasons... Al shabaab fights KDF for political motives as they want ur troops out of Somalia. Yet if KDF is good enough there are no rooms for excuses its either u win a war against poor ill equipped and scrappy Al Shabaab militias or face what yo going through nw.
3. I agree fighting with Al Shabaab needs precision and calculatuions bcz sm of the battles are urbanly located... but Mr. mind u .... JWTZ set these standards 36 yrs ago while fighting in the outskirts of Jinja, Mbarara and Kampala which were more modern, complicated and comprised of dense population than the scrappy an Old Barawe with houses fool of mushrooms, un developed and less populated... what KDF is trying to perform today TPDF dd with flying colours 4 decades ago and with much rated opponent.
For ur information precision and calculations are part and parcel of any battlefield tactics unfortunately for Kenyans they know less... that if yo fighting in the jungle u only fire anywhere expecting to kill dozens and leave nothing surviving... with these breaking news information No wonder 4 ill equipped terrorists were able to hold armed forces of the whole nation for 4 days.

The Libyans actually were not effective, if you read "The untold story of Kagera war", Uganda lost because of those same Libyans. They exuded a sense of laxity after managing to push Tanzanians and this caused Ugandans to slow down. Also Amin soldiers lacked discipline they went into rampage, looting anything on their way. It became very hard to command them against a combination of TPDF, police, prison services, national service, villagers, Angola army, Mozambique army, Kikosi Maalum fighters commanded by Tito Okello, FRONASA fighters commanded by Yoweri Museveni, Save Uganda Movement commanded by Akena p'Ojok.

Again I repeat, fighting Alshabaab was far much more complicated than engaging retreating soldiers in streets of Kampala. To Alshabaab, streets are their jungle. How do you think Israel with all its might found it hard to obliterate Hamas. This is an offensive against people who have used religious propaganda much more effectively than guns and bullets. You're passing a crowd of people cheering at you and clad in shukas and stuffs, suddenly they pull out guns of those shukas and begin firing at you. This is a completely different warfare as opposed to simple one where you're fighting some kids holed up in the jungle, all you need is binoculars, plenty of mortars and energy to fire into those jungles, then later go down there to count the bodies.

In Somalia, KDF already accomplished their mission and joined AMISOM. Any further stay of KDF without UN led mandate would have turned into occupation force and we would have lost propaganda war. The remnant of Alshabaabs have been regrouping here and there, but they're dealt with whenever an opportunity shows up.

 

[Yule-Msee]

Nimezoea kuona ukiandika maoni yako under the headline "my take" baada ya ku quote such articles, leo maoni yako ni yapi?

 

[MK254]

Ha ha ha... naona mnazidi kuongeza miaka tu ... ilikua by 2020 saa hii naona mmerukia 2030.... hizi by 2030.. 2040.. 50 mtazisema sana hizi.. dawa yenu iko Tanzania wanaoweza kuwapatanisha nchi nzima pale mnapochinjana wenyewe.. Mungu ibariki Africa Mungu ibariki Tanzania.

Kaka naomba unapojihusisha na siasa za kimataifa, unatumia muda wako kusoma mambo ya nchi za watu na kufuatilia habari kabla hujaja JF kuzijadili. Ruwaza yetu tumeiweka 2030 kitambo sana. Na tumefaulu pakubwa kutimiza mengi. Halafu kumbuka kukosana kwetu kama nchi, ina maana tumekua watu wa kuhoji, naomba unifahamishe tangu uhuru Tanzania mmefaulu kubadilisha uongozi kwenye vyama vingapi.
Mimi huwa nafuatilia siasa za EAC yote, na kwa sasa Tanzania hata katiba ni taabu, ile yenu aliyowasilisha Warioba ilikua inafanana na yetu ya sasa. Ilikua nzuri, mumeichakachua na kuipitisha, Wapinzani kwenu waoga waliacha bunge na kupigia makelele huko nje.

 

[mossad007]

Kaka naomba unapojihusisha na siasa za kimataifa, unatumia muda wako kusoma mambo ya nchi za watu na kufuatilia habari kabla hujaja JF kuzijadili. Ruwaza yetu tumeiweka 2030 kitambo sana. Na tumefaulu pakubwa kutimiza mengi. Halafu kumbuka kukosana kwetu kama nchi, ina maana tumekua watu wa kuhoji, naomba unifahamishe tangu uhuru Tanzania mmefaulu kubadilisha uongozi kwenye vyama vingapi.
Mimi huwa nafuatilia siasa za EAC yote, na kwa sasa Tanzania hata katiba ni taabu, ile yenu aliyowasilisha Warioba ilikua inafanana na yetu ya sasa. Ilikua nzuri, mumeichakachua na kuipitisha, Wapinzani kwenu waoga waliacha bunge na kupigia makelele huko nje.

Sawa kbsa mimi hata sikupingi kuhusu kukosoa siasa ya Tanzania ina madhaifu mno na mapungufu mno meanwhile sio TZ tu lets talk of global politics they'r all rampant and questionable smtyms lakin there are limits to any society which adhere dignity, humanity and civilization.. kuchinjana ni a way primitive and uncivilized to modern way of implementing politics sasa kama u praise so much about a society which enforce the later try to see urself where does the odd stand...!!

 

[MK254]

Sawa kbsa mimi hata sikupingi kuhusu kukosoa siasa ya Tanzania ina madhaifu mno na mapungufu mno meanwhile sio TZ tu lets talk of global politics they'r all rampant and questionable smtyms lakin there are limits to any society which adhere dignity, humanity and civilization.. kuchinjana ni a way primitive and uncivilized to modern way of implementing politics sasa kama u praise so much about a society which enforce the later try to see urself where does the odd stand...!!

Nakubaliana nawe kuchinjana sio suluhu hata kidogo na sio jambo la kushabikia, lakini ufahamu yanayotendeka kwenu sasa hivi ndio msingi wa mambo kama uliyoyaona Kenya. Ufisadi umepitiliza hadi wafadhili wamegoma kutoa misaada kwenu, katiba ambayo inafaa kuwa kwa ajili ya vizazi vya kesho inatengenezwa kiubabe na kwa manufaa ya watu binafsi. Kura zikipigwa hamna uwazi, halafu kila mtu analalamika lakini ikifika wakati wa kura, wanaoshinda ni wale wale. Mambo haya yalitufika kooni Wakenya hadi ikawa ugomvi, na ndio tukaamua kutengeneza katiba nzuri baada ya kuweka pembeni tofauti zetu sote.
Siku moja niliwakuta Watanzania wameketi pamoja wanaongea mambo ya nchi yao, jameni walikua na majungu na hasira sana. Nilikaa pembeni kimya na kuwaskiliza na ndio nilijua ni hatari aisei, watu hawana raha mashinani. Ni bahati sana mlipata kiongozi aliyewaunganisha mwanzo, yaani Nyerere, bure ingekua vita vikali sasa.

 

[mossad007]

Nakubaliana nawe kuchinjana sio suluhu hata kidogo na sio jambo la kushabikia, lakini ufahamu yanayotendeka kwenu sasa hivi ndio msingi wa mambo kama uliyoyaona Kenya. Ufisadi umepitiliza hadi wafadhili wamegoma kutoa misaada kwenu, katiba ambayo inafaa kuwa kwa ajili ya vizazi vya kesho inatengenezwa kiubabe na kwa manufaa ya watu binafsi. Kura zikipigwa hamna uwazi, halafu kila mtu analalamika lakini ikifika wakati wa kura, wanaoshinda ni wale wale. Mambo haya yalitufika kooni Wakenya hadi ikawa ugomvi, na ndio tukaamua kutengeneza katiba nzuri baada ya kuweka pembeni tofauti zetu sote.
Siku moja niliwakuta Watanzania wameketi pamoja wanaongea mambo ya nchi yao, jameni walikua na majungu na hasira sana. Nilikaa pembeni kimya na kuwaskiliza na ndio nilijua ni hatari aisei, watu hawana raha mashinani. Ni bahati sana mlipata kiongozi aliyewaunganisha mwanzo, yaani Nyerere, bure ingekua vita vikali sasa.

Grievancies zipo mpka Europe, America na Asia as Tanzania is of no unique to evade that.. ila kaa ukijua matatizo ya nchi yatasuluhishwa kwa maelewano tu.. Nawatakia heri kwa ujenzi wa Kenya yenu mpya... Tanzania itabaki imara na misingi yake ya amani no matter inconveniences in politics.. the main focus is on economy so far we did well on Millennium goals habari ya kufutiwa funds kwa embezzlement inasikika kote si TZ alone... mzee unasemaje Kenya hakuna corruption...?? Em nena nasi tusikie yawezekana tupo Mars hatujijui...!!

 

[AZUSA STREET]

Sijui sababu za wewe kuniita huku, huchoki ligi wewe, hongera zenu, ila hizi drills huwa tunacheza na Marekani huko Indian Ocean. Na kumbuka we have the best navy in East and Central Africa.

yaani nikisikia mkenya anasema "kenya has the best navy or army" huwa navunjika mbavu. kwanini mnajidanganya sana jamani? if you have even a little strength in your army, why do you keep on losing war against al shabab? you cannot eradicate even mungiki?..hahahaha. wakenya ni waigizaji wa maigizo zaidi ya bongo movie.

 

[MK254]

Grievancies zipo mpka Europe, America na Asia as Tanzania is of no unique to evade that.. ila kaa ukijua matatizo ya nchi yatasuluhishwa kwa maelewano tu.. Nawatakia heri kwa ujenzi wa Kenya yenu mpya... Tanzania itabaki imara na misingi yake ya amani no matter inconveniences in politics.. the main focus is on economy so far we did well on Millennium goals habari ya kufutiwa funds kwa embezzlement inasikika kote si TZ alone... mzee unasemaje Kenya hakuna corruption...?? Em nena nasi tusikie yawezekana tupo Mars hatujijui...!!

Ufisadi upo Kenya, lakini katiba mpya imepunguza pakubwa, tumeona watu wanawajibishwa kitu ambacho ilikua ni nadra hapo mbeleni. Kwa kweli wengi tumeona mambo ambayo hatukuyazoea kabisa, watu wamebanwa kishenzi. Wanaiba lakini kwa tabu sana na akitereza tu, inakula kwake.

 

[AZUSA STREET]

For a country with only 8 helicopters, you are talking very big. For a country whose total defense budget is a quarter that of Kenya's.......

you know very little about Tanzania. lakini kwa kukusaidia, endelea kuamini ulicho nacho kichwani kwasababu ukipata real facts moyo utakuuma sana. hongera.

 

[mossad007]

Ufisadi upo Kenya, lakini katiba mpya imepunguza pakubwa, tumeona watu wanawajibishwa kitu ambacho ilikua ni nadra hapo mbeleni. Kwa kweli wengi tumeona mambo ambayo hatukuyazoea kabisa, watu wamebanwa kishenzi. Wanaiba lakini kwa tabu sana na akitereza tu, inakula kwake.

Hiyo mambo TZ mbona ipo mzee yet still kwenye old katiba... we ddnt want knew Const. to bring culprits into courts of law...

 

[MK254]

Hiyo mambo TZ mbona ipo mzee yet still kwenye old katiba... we ddnt want knew Const. to bring culprits into courts of law...

Haya tuliyaona kwenye katiba ya zamani lakini hii mpya imeleta mambo zaidi ambayo hatukuyazoea. Nchi yetu ilikua imenuka na chafu kishenzi, anyway it's a long process.

 

[Yule-Msee]

yaani nikisikia mkenya anasema "kenya has the best navy or army" huwa navunjika mbavu. kwanini mnajidanganya sana jamani? if you have even a little strength in your army, why do you keep on losing war against al shabab? you cannot eradicate even mungiki?..hahahaha. wakenya ni waigizaji wa maigizo zaidi ya bongo movie.

wapi warship?

 

[Geza Ulole]

Nimezoea kuona ukiandika maoni yako under the headline "my take" baada ya ku quote such articles, leo maoni yako ni yapi?

Kenya wamepata jambajamba ndo maana mnakesha humu ukilinganisha navy yenu ya kwetu!

 

[MK254]

wapi warship?

Hahahaha!!! wahurumie hawa jamaa wa potentials na sleeping giant.

 

[mossad007]

wapi warship?

Very little is known two more deliveries this year wapi ukaona TZ wana mbwembwe kwenye sites mzee ila kazi inafanyika na wanajulikana kwa kazi sasa KDF mnatuonyesha mapicha alaf nchi nzima mnazidiwa magaidi wanne kuna maana..??
Kulikua na haja ya kuwa na Navy Drill kama TZ hawana War Ship mzee dont think low basi...