nyumba kubwa
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That's called patriotism...keep on the spirit!!!
China, Tanzania carrying out month long joint naval drills
China, Tanzania carrying out month long joint naval drills
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Jamaa mzima ame quote answers.com, kweli ya kuku ni mayai na ya msemakweli ni vichekesho. Hivi basi twakubaliana Navy ya Tanzania ina motor boat na potential pekee?
msemakweli
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Here's another source for you. Hope this convinces you: East Africa Living Encyclopedia
Nyingine nayo hii hapa http://africastopten.blogspot.com/2012/11/top-10-countries-with-stongest-army-in.html?m=1
mossad007
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An Army without proven War history is a poetry without a poet... Kenya still has a lot to learn from Brothers TPDF when it comes to Military...!! Since African Liberation to Modern Jungle warfare on M23 sweep out in Congo u must av bn ill to put the two on the same level.
Phillemon Mikael
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Hivi wewe unaweza kufananisha walio hai na wafu ....
Al Shaabab ni kikundi cha kigaidi sio jeshi ...hawana system yeyote ya ulinzi Zaidi ni wazuri tu kwenye zile mbinu Za kigaidi Kama infiltration,guerrilla tactics and warfare,urban warfare ..etc ....wanaweza kuwa na anti AIRCRAFTS Za kubeba begani ambazo Sana Sana ni tishio kwa helicopter ......ANGA ya Somalia iPo wazi ..Hawana Hiyo air Defence system ......,UNAWEZA TU KUPIMA UWEZO WA JESHI LA ANGA NA RUBANI KWA KUMTUMA KWENYE ENEO LENYE WELL FUNCTIONING AIR DEFENCE ,SAM ( tena automated )..,mfano kwa mfumo wa ANGA ya Tanzania ndege ikiingia mahala pasiporuhusiwa...inaweza kutunguliwa na system peke yake hata Kama wa husika wamelala ....mfumo unapo detect ndege yeyote kwenye Njia isiyoruhusiwa ..hutoa warning Mara mbili na Iwapo wahusika hawatajibu..iwe kwa kuruhusu au kwa kuwacha ipige basi Mara ya Tatu ...makombora ya kudungulia ndege ..huchomoka yenyewe kwenda kuipiga....Sasa ukiweza kutuma rubani na akarudi ...ujuwe ume risk Sana ....
Kwenye mfumo wa vita hata pale Libya ...ilipovamiwa Pamoja na marekani kuwa Juu kiteknelojia ..kazi kubwa ya kwanza waliyofanya ilikuwa kwanza kushambulia MIFUMO yote ya air Defence kabla ya kuingiza ndege ...na Hiyo ni kazi ngumu.
Pamoja na hayo yote it goes into record and we know the fact that KDF is well trained and Equiped ...Kenyan fighter pilots are good too...but the only thing they luck ni kuwa hakuna record ya vita ..that is most important ..sometimes America make war ..in order to test there armies ...you lost your time to test your army at Migingo...War Is Peace ...we in EA we didn't want war to happen ...we just only wanted to see how fast you would have mobilized your air ,land and navy in hours ...then don't shoot a single button ,don't take over ..just do your stuffs in undisputed part of the land ...that is the constitutional function of the army and people of the land .......Sasa Nyie wengine wanasema Migingo ni ya Kisumu.
There is no any possibility of aggression between Kenya and Tanzania ..that is known and in both books record ..but on Kenya side you are sharing border with most unpredictable neighbors ...you see Somalia ..once they get muscles they will be fighting you ..,in reference to Mombasa case..the issue of terrorism affects all of us too.
Otherwise Tanzania and Kenya are predictable because of the well functioning democracy institutions ..ie elections terms are adhered ..even if there is riggin but yes after every ten years you have a new leader that is good and predictable .
Naona unatafuta funny internet siteskama answers.com na a personal blog, ambazo ukiangalia moja ni copy paste la jingine. Naona umeamua kutotaja Global Fire Power. Sipendi kuangalia rankings kwa internet sites, napenda kuangalia hardware na military budget, ambapo Tanzania haifanyi vyema
Sijalinganisha Al shabab na Tanzania, nilikuwa namjibu Geza aliyesema jets za Kenya ni scrap, lakini ukiuliza al shabab watakupa jibu lingine
Nona you conveniently forgot amisom action in Somali.
NDINDA
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You will twist it the way you want but , that doesn't mean we dont have. we have
And keep telling yourself that we own things that should be in the museum, you know what happened to the air-force fleet recently? and with all that square kilometers of Tanzania coastline you still believe we don't own ships to protect our water? or we still using 40 years technology? think again.
mossad007
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Ha ha ha and u still call it.."War" fighting with jihad brothers with no Tanks, no canons, no mortars, lack even proper military uniforms leave out complicated military hardwares and u still call it "A War"... man yo very desperate Just to find smthng for a match... Lets see... we have trained Mozambique guerillas, ANC (South Africa under Mandela), ZANU guerillas (Mugabe) Master Spies like Kagame and Museveni and the recently Congo DRC (Kabila) all of whom they have made it to their states Liberation, we have fought "A FULL SCALE WAR" with Uganda and Win... our Special forces have performed and staged standards with remarkable achievements in Special Operations Missions including Anjuwan Raid, Congo Rebellion Sweep out Mission (M23 and others), our mighty and formidable TPDF have defended territorial sovereignty with undisputed claims over Nyasa lake we don't pay them for nothing... tumepelekwa Darfur miezi 8 tu chokochoko zimeisha, na sasa tunasuluhisha Sudan kusini... Tuliwakuta "mnazozana" (mana sio kupigana) na Al Shabaab several months before sisi tukaianza kazi ya M23 wakiwa na Tanks, canons, mortars, well trained guerillas by Rwandan Special forces, and a huge financial and technical support from Rwandan Military and Intelligence lakin ndani ya wiki 3 tukaimaliza kazi tukawaacha bado manazozana na Al Shabaab wasio hata viatu wanavaa makobazi... On April we un plotted Al Shabaab terror network they were all scanned and confined kimya kimya nothng is know of their where about nchi ina amani ujenzi wa taifa unaendelea hivi ndivyo Intelligence ya maana na akili inavyofanya kazi sio kelele nyngi kwenye vyombo vya habari af watu wanne wanaikalisha nchi nzima for four days... so which means the stats are 1 terrorist per your whole security system
for a day ama...???
Tanzania doesn't live Hollywood life when it comes to security eti uende Firepower au CIA website ukute wana hiki na kile hiyo tumewaachia our amateurish neighbours who lack experience in matters of security and covert (as the history entails). Tanzania is always stealthy and silent only few is known and majority is presumed but our actions speaks louder than words.
It seems we agree that when major upgrades are done people always get to know. How comes no one knows of your navys upgrade yet we know that of the airforce
The state of your airforce b4 the upgrade says alot about the state of your military hardware, most of it requires complete overhaul. Since nothing is yet to happen on the navy it means its state is same as that of the airforce b4 being upgraded.
flyingcrane
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Kenya shares the longest border with somalia...al-shabaab is islamic unpredictable militia fighting the uncoventuional war with support f4m Arab nations,,,Kenya went into somalia not to win a war with shababs bt to scare them away $ kip them away from Lamu, Mombasa and kenyan coast from pirates...Remember lapset project revolving around Lamu? Alshabab was a threat to it...Somali land has massive oil, its also a plan for kenya to get access to somalis resources,,so Alshabab war was more than a gain for kenya rather than a loss, we didnt teach uganda a lesson on migingo coz they were our business partners and a gateway to burundi,congo etc..tungewachapa UG mombasa port ingepoteza biashara kwa port ya Tz, south sudan wako na mafuta tunayohitaji kenya pia tuko kibiashara nao kwa hivyo si eti kenya ni waoga twaweza kanyaga Tz kama pia itatulazimu lakini jambo la kwanza ni kuangalia ruwaza 2030 si kujitwika mzigo wa kupigana vita visivyo na faida
MK254
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Upto now am not aware of any war that TPDF went into it alone without dragging everybody into it. In Uganda, they we assisted by
- Museveni and his guerillas
- Tanzanian villagers
- JKT youths
- Police
- Soldiers from Angola
- Soldiers from Mozambique
And also note, they were lucky that Ugandans were already tired of Amin, otherwise they'd have come out in millions to protect and defend their flag. They simply allowed the shame of a foreign army urinating on their land because Amin had gotten to their throat with his dictatorship.
In their war against M23, they went in there to help Congo armed forces and fought alongside Congolese army, South Africans and Malawians. Also note, UN had managed to keep Rwanda off from helping those M23 kids. Above all, M23 comprised of so many child-fighters, they had recruited so many children. Finally, note that M23, their motivation was greed and money unlike the Alshabaabs who are driven religiously and were fighting without a care or worry of death.
I am responding to you since you seem a bit knowledgeable as opposed to most of noise makers around. The war against Alshabaab was a blend of conventional and asymmetrical, The American military went in the 1990s and took off immediately, U.N. peacekeeping forces made a hasty exit, Ethiopian ground forces took the capital and then left it, and Ugandan and Burundian soldiers fought tooth and nail for Mogadishu for years. It's only after KDF took the battle there and managed to obliterate those guys.
Fighting against such lunatics in Somalia streets, requires military precision and calculations, unlike having it easy in the jungle with M23 kids where you can just fire anything and everything into the forest hoping nothing survives in there.
flyingcrane
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Lawmaina umewapa ukweli...kenyans think economicwise not on feelings lakini usione simba kanyeshewa ukadhani paka,,, for how long can tanzania sustain a war with kenya before sufforcating
MK254
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These guys think wars are waged any one morning one wakes from the wrong side of the bed. Their war with Amin (not Ugandans but against Amin and his fighters) saw them deteriorate economically for so many years. They are still recovering.
Actually like you put it, Uganda is very important to us, a link for us to the rest of the market. With the SGR completed, we will be able to transport cargo to Rwandans in less than two days, and we are already planning to have Rwanda act as our front-line for the rest of the countries down South.
Right now there is a dispute between Malawi and Tanzania over the lake Malawi boundary. Malawians have insisted must own the whole lake all the way to the shores, Tanzanians have insisted must be divided in the middle, now these same guys asking us to wage war against Uganda, how comes we don't hear sounds of their guns against Malawi.
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so KDF is not assisted by AMISOM and the US in Somalia? And UPDF that was trained by TPDF? Here is what the World see about this joint naval drills
OPINION & ANALYSIS
China Joins Tanzania In Naval Exercise as the Indian Ocean Region Goes Nuts
By Ryan Faith
October 24, 2014 | 10:45 pm
The Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) - or as many Chinese like to call it, "the navy" - is kicking off the month-long "Beyond 2014" bilateral naval exercises with the much less frequently discussed Tanzanian navy. The two nations actually have strong defense cooperation ties, and this exercise will focus on anti-piracy, marine security, and counter-terrorism operations.
While Tanzania isn't exactly a fulcrum of Great Power struggle, these exercises are a fantastic chance to get a snapshot of the many different roles a naval presence can fill in international relations.
China is, on one hand, a global power. If you start listing countries according to the sizes of their economy, population, military, and so on, you mention China way more often than you have to count to 10. That said, China is not at all global, and so a major Chinese naval expedition or military presence in Tanzania sounds a bit strange.
And so more specifically, China is a rising global power. Power is tied closely with how a nation projects its hard and soft power beyond its borders, and oceangoing navies are all about projecting. That's why a growing naval presence is very nearly a corollary to being a rising global power.
Aircraft carriers - the ultimate weapons of peace. Read more here.
Some of the expanding Chinese naval presence is very public, open, and internationally engaging, like the ongoing Chinese participation in anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden. These patrols, which started in 2008, were China's first big global naval field trip, and have netted them operational experience, credit for contributing to the global maritime commons, and international goodwill.
Perhaps as a result, China has been expanding its activity in the Gulf, sending a submarineto join the anti-piracy operation. The submarine, a Type 039 Song-class diesel attack submarine - China's first fully indigenous submarine class - shipped out just last month, making a stop in the Sri Lankan capital of Colombo, and marking the first time that a Chinese submarine had "openly visited a nation in the Indian Ocean."
This move raised a great many eyebrows in India. Sri Lanka is about 20 miles from the Indian coast, and India tends to regard the Indian Ocean as being their very own personal ocean. Maybe the name has something to do with it.
The reaction prompted the Chinese Ministry of Defense to issue a press release telling people, essentially, to just chill. Very poorly paraphrased: "Submarines are ships. Ships need to dock for supplies. Ships dock at ports. Colombo is a port. You guys can see what I'm getting at here, right? No reason to freak out."
Colombo is an interesting port, because ships going to and fro between the center of gravity of the world's energy supplies (the Middle East) and the scene of the world's most aggressive economic expansion (Asia) pop into Colombo very frequently. In fact, last December, the Iranian navy dropped by Colombo, as Iran continues the process of building up its own long-distance oceangoing capabilities.
Iran has been using its navy to make diplomatic statements and carry out a soft power presence mission, venturing further and further afield in recent years. For instance, last March the Iranian navy paid its first official visit to China, stopping at the port ofZhanjiang.
These growing ties with Iran are the context behind the Chinese navy's first visit to Iran. A trip that, coincidentally, took on even more import when an Iranian navy ship on patrol in the Gulf of Aden rescued a Chinese container ship from pirates. Last month's visit of Chinese warships to an Iranian port, kicking off a five-day joint training exercise, also marked the first entry of a Chinese naval vessel into the Persian Gulf. Since then, China and Iran have been continuing high-level dialog about further naval cooperation.
That said, the Chinese Navy is far from being able to effectively challenge the US naval presence in the Gulf. Aside from supporting air and ground operations, the US Navy's focus has been on both maintaining free movement of shipping - i.e., oil tankers - in and out of the Gulf in general, and deterring Iran in particular from getting any bright ideas about messing with the free flow of the world's oil supply.
China is none too keen to disrupt the world's flow of oil, and would be very unlikely to oppose any efforts to keep the Persian Gulf open. This led some observers to speculate that this visit and associated diplomatic developments are part of a counter to the Obama administration's strategic (and semi-apocryphal) "Pivot to Asia."
The idea that China is showing the flag in the Persian Gulf as a signal to the US is an interesting suggestion. This year marked China's first participation in the world's largest naval exercise, the US-led Rim of the Pacific Exercise, or RIMPAC. China agreed to send four ships to participate, including the hospital ship Peace Ark (which VICE News toured for an episode of War Games).
The Chinese also sent a spy ship to monitor the exercise. Privately, US Navy officials suggested that the spy ship was a good thing, since it further cemented the precedent that you can do anything you want in international waters, so long as you're not hurting anyone.
In Photos: The world's largest naval exercise, RIMPAC 2014. Read more here.
This concept of "freedom of navigation" is something that China hasn't entirely signed onto. In December 2013, a Chinese warship cut off a US Navy ship monitoring a Chinese exercise, nearly causing a collision and an international incident. Demonstrating the fact that the US are cool about the Chinese monitoring in the international waters near Hawaii would, it is hoped, convince the Chinese to chill out a bit.
This year also marked the debut appearance of India's new stealthy guided-missile frigate the INS Sahyadri at RIMPAC. India is becoming an increasingly important naval power as it pushes modernization and expansion of its capabilities. Although some have feared anaval arms race with China, Southeast Asia seems to be serving as an effective partition between China and India's regional naval expansions, at least in the short term. China may be pushing aggressively into the South China Sea, and India may regard the Indian Ocean as its own personal lake, but geography is keeping the two from getting too far up in each other's business.
The existence of that buffer may be a major factor in slowing a naval arms race, but therapid acquisitions of new submarines, amphibious warships, and other assets by countries throughout the region mean fears of a regional naval arms race aren't unfounded.
Which brings us back to Tanzania. An added complication is that China is shelling out $10 billion for a deep water port on the Indian Ocean - in, yes, Tanzania at the town of Bagomoyo. Some observers argue that this port, which will be the biggest in Africa, is destined to become one more pearl in China's "String of Pearls" - a series of commercial and military bases China has been building from the Chinese mainland to Africa.
As a major naval base, it would vastly expand China's ability to project power throughout the Indian Ocean and around Africa. This would almost certainly cause the Indian Navy to start losing its collective shit, which would likely be followed by a sharp change in Indian naval acquisitions.
Other commentaries have contended that the port couldn't function as a major naval base, because the port access is only 14 meters deep - too shallow for submarines. But being unable to host submarines wouldn't preclude China from running anti-piracy patrols in the Gulf of Aden out of Bagomoyo.
The Vietnam-India-Russia military ménage à trois leaves China in the cold. Read more here.
In any case, even if the port merely serves as a commercial hub for Chinese interests in Africa, it will still be important to Beijing. Increasing amounts of Chinese commercial shipping to and from Africa will mean that China is going to be more heavily invested in maintaining free movement of its own shipping across the Indian Ocean, likely drawing the Chinese Navy further toward the Tanzanian coast whether they're planning for it right now or not.
So the Tanzanian navy may not be one of the world's, say, 100 most powerful navies right now, but it could turn out it'll have a hell of a front row seat to what could become one of the world's most fascinating Great Power struggles of the 21st century: The possibility of China trying to strangle India with its String of Pearls.
Follow Ryan Faith on Twitter: @Operation_Ryan
TOPICS: china, tanzania, india, vietnam, rimpac, string of pearls, sri lanka, iran, persian gulf, navy,asia & pacific, opinion & analysis
https://news.vice.com/article/china...exercise-as-the-indian-ocean-region-goes-nuts
mossad007
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Talking a War btn TZ & Kenya that's pure indicator of amateurish talks, the power of irresponsible thinking... for what reasons & purpose.. if u cudnt afford protecting ur Constitutional Sovereignty on Mingingo from our little brother the Buganda kingdom for reasons of economic prosperity how wud u guys prosper when it comes to EA Covert legend army like JWTZ. Yet to ponder more on the hypocrit statement that "we didn't fight Mingingo War for economic reasons with Uganda" have u forgotten dat TZ is the major trade partner of Kenya in the whole EA...?? If Mingingo War was spared for the sake of Kenya's economy how would Kenya again dare to loose such big sums from her major partner.... guys from ur statements it seems Kenya is willing to sell out its territorial sovereignty in exchange of trade easement... why on hell are we arguing here...??🙂
The situation is different when u talk about JWTZ, IDF or any other army which understand the purpose State Sovereignty and its establishment.
Bonge la answer.
Phillemon Mikael
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Umeongea maneno vizuri..kuwa hamkuwachapa ..Uganda kwa biashara ..rekodi inaonyesha kuwa Tanzania is the largest business partner of Kenya in EA....kusema kuwa mkiwa achia Uganda wabebe Migingo kwa Ajili ya biashara ni dalili ya woga na Kuuza mipaka a Nchi ..Kiapo ambacho wanajeshi wenu wameapa..,hata kusogeza Askari tu mlishindwaje ??..sic
Hiyo Ndoto Moja futa ..kwa sababu hata kwenye kuongea hapa hatuoni uwezekano Huo ....
Sisi tuna rekodi ..tumepigana na kushinda..
Liberations struggle wars ...Namibia,Angola,
Tume train na kupeleka intelligence ku destabilize South Africa ..during struggles
Tumepigana na Kusaidia visiwa vilivyokuwa vinapinduliwa ..refer Bob Denard ...Seyshells ,Re-union ..kote Huko tumepigana
We fought and train Micambique
Uganda
Congo ( Kabila 1) Congo ( Kabila 2)
We don't mention peace keeping ...like Liberia ,Lebanon,Sudan ,Eritrea etc
You have mentioned Amisom ..the brave Ugandans own the credits ..( you know Ugandans )
So tell us the records of such ...sio stories ..
Phillemon Mikael
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Ask those Malawians what happened when they put those UN calculated and unjustifiable claims ....the next morning they work up to find the full brigade on the boarder ..,having not firing a single bullet is what you should have done...
But look at you ..you should have done more than that and that would have put two sense-full nations on the mediations table respecting what each other are capable to.....your move would have just be a reciprocal one ...since its them who started flagging the territory ...
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