Atheism: Imani nusu na robo

[Mshana Jr]

Hujui kama umeniomba.

Kwa sababu wewe ni mjinga, muongo na mvivu.

mtazamo wako huo sina tatizo nao! kwakuwa najua sio halisi

 

[Kiranga]

mtazamo wako huo sina tatizo nao! kwakuwa najua sio halisi

Wewe hata halisi ikikuangalia kutoka chini ya pua yako, hutaijua.

 

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I notice there is something wrong with your comprehension dude, i never state in my explanations that atheists should cease to use westerners argument to defend their position, that is another infelicitous misinterpretation of yours.... what i actually meant they shouldn't look down on those with different dogmatic views while themselves they are still neophytes in their own beliefs.

Anyway since you are now telling me you've much faith in science for everthing, you've just disclosed to me you're another lost soul here..!! In my opinion science is still in infant stage,
there is much about nature it simply does not give the answer. There was still some of its theories there were modified and liable to change in future if there are available accurate evidences and explanations. So why would you lean on a discipline which has its own limitations?...I am sure
you would agree with me that science has its own limitation. If you disagree so check out different scientific theories and tell me why there are a lot of criques extended by those theories?

Science itself suffers from nearsightedness since its massive weapon is observation, what it cannot observe directly or indirectly it simply ignores it or just holds the speculation as a conclusion and there discrepancy between speculation and fact rationally. I am not too religious to discredit science whatsover, but it cannot be used to dismiss the idea that God exists.

However, there is no place science claims God never exist but it's you atheists continually resort to logical fallacy when dealing with ant-atheist and mention science as an authority for your claims, unfortunately it is plagued by its own flaws.


Mimi sina tatizo na wewe kuwa atheist na wala sijakuzuia kutumia evidence zozote kwenye arguments ninachopenda mimi ni mtu kuwa reasonable kwa watu wengine na ujuaji ndio huwa unafanya tunakuwa na endless debate humu. Na kuna maswali mpaka leo sijajibiwa na maatheist wenzako humu huko tayari nikuulize huku ukitumia hiyo science yako kunijibu?

Mimi sio atheist na niite lost soul or whatever (which actually proves my point, you are intolerant even though u claim not to be). Nakushangaa unasema you never stated kua atheists should cease to use westeners arguments, rudi pitia post yako that's exactly what you wrote. Unaanza kubadilisha mambo baada ya kuona argument yako haikua valid.

Alafu don't talk about science when you know nothing about it. Unasema its still in an infant stage, hehehe are u kidding me? Just because we can't do teleportation doesn't mean science hasn't grown, infact it has grown exponentially, its very mature, we are still a type I civilization lakini what we have achieved is very great.

I'm surprised unai-ditch science when its the reason upo jamiiforumns leo unapost, its the same thing that makes it possible for you to talk to someone who is on another country, you could even talk to someone standing on the moon because of this science unayohisi its wrong, ndiyo some rules zinabadilika, lakini ipo classical ambayo it has been proven and it won't ever change, scientists wanaposema dunia ni 4.5Billion years old kwa kutumia radioactivity, who are you to think otherwise? leo hii ni kitu naweza kukiprove laboratory na ukakiona, na same law inatumika kwenye vitu kama generation ya nuclear energy, umeme wa nuclear upo, kwa nini tuseme its wrong when its clear that it works?

We uliza swali lolote unalotaka kuuliza ambalo unahisi ni scientific na sitokua na jibu, maana hata mimi nikikuuliza kuhusu mambo ya dini utabaki umehaha tu, huwezi hata kunipa proof kua mungu wako ndiye mungu wa kweli zaidi ya kuspeculate, em nipe jibu according to the bible Earth is like 6000 years old, what evidence is there to backup your claim? usiniambie amini tu kama ilivyoandikwa, hata bible inakwambia utumie akili.

 

[ShyaRuwa]

Naona umemkataa

Hawa watu ni wazuri sana kwenye kujitoa ufahamu.Uvivu wa kudadisi na kuuliza ukweli/uhakika wa kitu unawafanya kuwa wafuasi wa majority belief, wanafuata wasicho kijua na kwenda wasikokujua....wana vichwa lkn wapo wapo tu...hafikiri juu ya wanachokiamini.....nadhani ndio maana baadhi yao huitwa wana wa kondoo kwa kuwa na sifa za kikondoo.

Kuna wakati watu karibu dunia nzima waliamini jua linazunguka dunia.

Kuna wakati karibu dunia nzima iliamini dunia ni bapa, ukienda na meli sana baharini utaangukia nje ya dunia.

Kuamini hivyo hakukufanya hayo yawe kweli eti kwa sababu tu wengi wameamini hivyo.

The truth is not democratic. It is autocratic.

 

[Lizarazu]

Haya tuendelee hakuna shida

Mshana....

Usitegemee kupata muafaka wa kitu chochote hapo kutoka kwa hawa viumbe hawanaga majibu ya maswali wanayoulizwa na ni wepesi kudivate mjadala kukupeleka wanakotaka wao.

Hapo mtazunguka sanaa

 

[Mshana Jr]

Wewe hata halisi ikikuangalia kutoka chini ya pua yako, hutaijua.

Sina tatizo na huo mtazamo wako kwakuwa sio uhalisia

 

[Mshana Jr]

Mshana....

Usitegemee kupata muafaka wa kitu chochote hapo kutoka kwa hawa viumbe hawanaga majibu ya maswali wanayoulizwa na ni wepesi kudivate mjadala kukupeleka wanakotaka wao.

Hapo mtazunguka sanaa

Najua sana ndio maana nawapeleka kwa tune yao

 

[Kiranga]

Sina tatizo na huo mtazamo wako kwakuwa sio uhalisia

Ila wewe ulivyoandika kila atheist anaamini Mungu hayupo kwa sababu Mungu haonekani ni uhalisia?

 

[Mshana Jr]

Ila wewe ulivyoandika kila atheist anaamini Mungu hayupo kwa sababu Mungu haonekani ni uhalisia?

Nijibu kama ni uhalisia ama la na kwanini

 

[Kiranga]

Nijibu kama ni uhalisia ama la na kwanini

Si uahlisia, kwa sababu mimi ni atheist, siamini uwepo wa ungu, lakini sababu yangu inayonifanya nisiamini uwepo wa Mungu si kwa sababu haonekani.

Naamini jua litachomoza kesho, ingawa sijaliona jua likichomoza kesho.

Naamini Ikulu ya Tanzania Magogoni ipo haijapigwa bomu leo. Ingawa siioni.

Naamini Mkuranga haijaliwa na viwavi jeshi saa moja lililopita. Ingawa siioni Mkuranga sasa hivi.

Kutoamini kwangu kwamba Mungu yupo hakuhusiani na Mungu kutoonekana, kwa sababu kuna vitu vingi ambavyo sijaviona naamini vipo.

Hivyo wewe kusema atheists wote hawaamini uwepo wa Mungu kwa sababu Mungu haonekani ni ujinga, uongo na uvivu.

Ushaelewa?

 

[Mshana Jr]

Si uahlisia, kwa sababu mimi ni atheist, siamini uwepo wa ungu, lakini sababu yangu inayonifanya nisiamini uwepo wa Mungu si kwa sababu haonekani.

Naamini jua litachomoza kesho, ingawa sijaliona jua likichomoza kesho.

Naamini Ikulu ya Tanzania Magogoni ipo haijapigwa bomu leo. Ingawa siioni.

Naamini Mkuranga haijaliwa na viwavi jeshi saa moja lililopita. Ingawa siioni Mkuranga sasa hivi.

Kutoamini kwangu kwamba Mungu yupo hakuhusiani na Mungu kutoonekana, kwa sababu kuna vitu vingi ambavyo sijaviona naamini vipo.

Hivyo wewe kusema atheists wote hawaamini uwepo wa Mungu kwa sababu Mungu haonekani ni ujinga, uongo na uvivu.

Ushaelewa?

Sijakuelewa kwakuwa unaongea kufikirika ila kwakuwa hicho ndicho unachokijua sina tatizo hata chembe.

 

[Kiranga]

Sijakuelewa kwakuwa unaongea kufikirika ila kwakuwa hicho ndicho unachokijua sina tatizo hata chembe.

Kwanza siongei, naandika.

Ikiwa huwezi kuelewa hilo, mengine sitegemei uelewe.

Sitegemei uelewe period.

Kwa sababu wewe ni mjinga, muongo na mvivu.

Tena una ubishi wa kipumbavu, upumbavu ni mbaya kuliko ujinga.

 

[Mshana Jr]

Kwanza siongei, naandika.

Ikiwa huwezi kuelewa hilo, mengine sitegemei uelewe.

Sitegemei uelewe period.

Kwa sababu wewe ni mjinga, muongo na mvivu.

Tena una ubishi wa kipumbavu, upumbavu ni mbaya kuliko ujinga.

Sawa unasema hivyo kwakuwa tu sikubaliani na mitazamo yako kwahiyo kwangu bado sioni tatizo

 

[UHURU JR]

Hawa watu ni wazuri sana kwenye kujitoa ufahamu.Uvivu wa kudadisi na kuuliza ukweli/uhakika wa kitu unawafanya kuwa wafuasi wa majority belief, wanafuata wasicho kijua na kwenda wasikokujua....wana vichwa lkn wapo wapo tu...hafikiri juu ya wanachokiamini.....nadhani ndio maana baadhi yao huitwa wana wa kondoo kwa kuwa na sifa za kikondoo.

Utajuaje mtu anajitoa ufahamu wakati nyie mnawatoa watu nje ya mada...mmeacha kujadili mada mmenda kubishania suala ambalo halina mchango wowote humu.

 

[Kiranga]

Sawa unasema hivyo kwakuwa tu sikubaliani na mitazamo yako kwahiyo kwangu bado sioni tatizo

Hata ukikubaliana ma mitazamo yangu kwa sababu za kijinga, kivivu na kiongo nitakwambia hivyo hivyo.

 

[Mshana Jr]

Hata ukikubaliana ma mitazamo yangu kwa sababu za kijinga, kivivu na kiongo nitakwambia hivyo hivyo.

Bado uko pale pale kwahiyo kwangu sioni tatizo

 

[Kiranga]

Utajuaje mtu anajitoa ufahamu wakati nyie mnawatoa watu nje ya mada...mmeacha kujadili mada mmenda kubishania suala ambalo halina mchango wowote humu.

"Nyie" kina nani?

Nje ya mada ni wapi? Ndani ya mada ni wapi?

Suala ambalo halina mchango wowote humu ni lipi?

Nani kakupa madaraka ya kuamua hili ni suala lenye mchango wowote humu na hili halina mchango wowote humu?

Unajuaje hili lina mchango wowote humu na hili halina mchango wowote humu?

 

[Kiranga]

Bado uko pale pale kwahiyo kwangu sioni tatizo

Macho yako yamejaa ujinga, uongo na uvivu, sishangai kama ukiwa huoni tatizo.

 

[Mshana Jr]

Macho yako yamejaa ujinga, uongo na uvivu, sishangai kama ukiwa huoni tatizo.

Ni sahihi kwa kwakuwa hivyo ndivyo ujuavyo lakini kiuhalisia sivyo

 

[UHURU JR]

"Nyie" kina nani?

Nje ya mada ni wapi? Ndani ya mada ni wapi?

Suala ambalo halina mchango wowote humu ni lipi?

Nani kakupa madaraka ya kuamua hili ni suala lenye mchango wowote humu na hili halina mchango wowote humu?

Unajuaje hili lina mchango wowote humu na hili halina mchango wowote humu?

Kwani we unaniuliza kama nani?