Zitto amefeli Leadership Qualities


Wewe ndio unafikiri hivyo. Edward Snowden, na wengine wengi mchango wao unafahamika kwa kupiga kelele tu.Kwa jamii yenye kuendekeza USIRI, kelele kufichua usiri huu ni jambo la msingi. Kuhusu HSBC nadhani hufahamu kuwa PAC wanafanya vikao na PCCB kuhusu hili swala, hebu jaribu kusoma japo kidogo tu.


The evidence is right under your nose. Nimekueleza the biggest political incident of 2014 was ESCROW and It was started coordinated and executed by two CHADEMA Exiles KAFULILA and ZITTO. Usichoelewa ni kipi ndugu?

CHADEMA is a political party, and the biggest news for them in 2014 has been UKAWA na katiba mpya, which has it's narrative controlled by CCM,and the best CHADEMA could do is walk out. This is not a win in my book.
 

Kwahiyo unamlinganisha Snowden na Zitto, ama?

La msingi ni kuwa hujazungumzia hoja yangu kwenye hili suala. Zitto alitamba sana kwenye social media na hata bungeni kuwa ana majina ya vigogo walioficha pesa Uswisi. Kuitwa kwenye kamati ili atoe majina hayo, akasema yeye hana majina!! Sasa hata kujaribu kumlinganisha mtu huyu na Snowden, unapata wapi hizo guts?!?

Hapa tunamwongelea Zitto, kama Zitto binafsi....maana wewe unavyomwonyesha Zitto ni kuwa yeye ni jeshi la mtu mmoja. Sasa ukianza kuingiza kazi za PAC, labda tubadilishe hoja. Maana PAC si kazi ya Zitto, ni kazi ya kamati nzima. Yeye kama mwenyekiti yupo kuongoza timu, bila timu hakuna PAC, ila bila mwenyekiti PAC itaendelea kuwepo.

The evidence is right under your nose. Nimekueleza the biggest political incident of 2014 was ESCROW and It was started coordinated and executed by two CHADEMA Exiles KAFULILA and ZITTO. Usichoelewa ni kipi ndugu?

Okay chief. Every political party's goal is to win elections and get in power. This is the ultimate goal. In the last year's local governments' elections, UKAWA won many seats than it has ever happened. Now, that was the biggest political event for opposition parties, and not ESCROW.

CHADEMA is a political party, and the biggest news for them in 2014 has been UKAWA na katiba mpya, which has it's narrative controlled by CCM,and the best CHADEMA could do is walk out. This is not a win in my book.

It is appalling how you come up with these authoritative conclusions without factual evidences!!

I have said, and I am saying this again: the ultimate goal of a political party is to win elections and get in power. If it happens a party succeed in doing so, then that is the biggest news for the party and its followers, and not otherwise.

You talk about the KAtiba Mpya narrative thing being controlled by CCM. You also write on how UKAWA walked out of the Bunge. It seems that you are contradicting yourself!! We all know what happened after UKAWA walked out, the narrative changed from Katiba Mpya to UKAWA. I don't how you reached a conclusion that KAtiba Mpya narrative is controlled by CCM. Have you seen how shivery CCM and its government are now? They are planning to spend billions in charming a YES vote. If they were in controll of the narrative, they wouldn't need to do that, right?!

Check your facts again chief.
 

Precedent is in the vote, that has never happened before, you keep playing dumb and dumbing everything down to the minimum level, this is childish.


Jambo kuwa kubwa kwako si lazima liwe kubwa kwangu. Unajua maana ya precedent wewe?

'off the top of my head' - source
Trust me, i stopped worrying about my grammar in an informal public forum 20 years ago, i am not going to start worrying about that now. It seems this is all you have left. pettiness. sad.

You are a bundle of contradictions! One minute you say you don't remember off the top of your head and the next minute you say you "can confidently say" no one else from the opposition had a similar argument? You are a trip!

you probably missed " toka upinzani Tanzania"

So, yes i don't remember from CCM but i am sure there is none from the opposition side. See..,

Nimelisogeza wapi?
Kwa kulazimisha mafanikio ya ZITTO yawe individualistic, wakati it's common knowledge kwa mtu kuwa na mafanikio kama kiongozi,na akatoa credit kwa timu yake au washiriki wenzake.

It's the gentleman thing to do? Hapo unatafsiri 'uungwana' au....? Kwamba kufanya hivyo ni jambo la kiungwana?

Ukijijibu, sitajibu, kwani umeshajijibu.

Utaje huo mwaka na taja hizo hoja zililetwa lini mpaka lini ili nione kama kweli zilizizima (is that even a word?) mwaka mzima.
Tazama hansard za bunge yakhe, tusichoshane. Hoja zote zilizoletwa na wapinzani mwaka jana ziko kule. Burden of proof kuwa hoja haijazizima ( ka hujui kiswahili sio kosa langu yakhee) iko kwako. kama unadhani kuna wapinzani wameleta hoja nzito mwaka jana zilizojadiliwa kwa mapana na marefu mwaka mzima wataje wewe, na uzitaje wewe hizo hoja, mie nimesema hawapo wa kutosha, wewe unaodhania wapo wataje.

Viongozi gani wakuu wa serikali waliwajibika kutokana na hoja za Zitto?

Kama unamaanisha kuwa waziri mkuu wa Tanzania sio kiongozi mkuu wa serikali, au mawaziri waandamizi wa serikali sio viongozi wa serikali, au wenyeviti wa kamati za bunge zio viongozi wa serikali, then i guess umeamua kuleta ligi tu hapa.
Usinigeuzie kibao mimi.

Hakuna aliyekugeuzia kibao,kw akushindwa kuwataja hao viongozi wa CHADEMA waliotoa Hoja kumshinda ZITTO waliojaa viganja vya mkono unakubali "implicitly" kuwa zitto ni ametoa Hoja kuwazidi viongozi wengi wa CHADEMA, ni ngumu kutamka kama una vendetta, ila it's understandable.

Hahaaaa okay, but I'm not playing dumb. Don't get defensive when you can't answer a question. And it's okay to say 'I don't know' when you don't know.

Good job quoting out of context to divert what is clearly the fact that you are conceding the facts. You are playing DUMB by telling people to stop giving ZITTO credit for overseeing success of institution he leads, yet many people have no problem isolating JK when there is failure in the government he leads. The fact that it's clear the buck stops with the leader, and credits always goes to the leader, yet you are dennying credit to ZITTO for being a leader on the recipient end of these credits shows the side of you that has decided to play DUMB. Got it now?

Like when is making noise better than keeping quiet?

When corruption is rampant, when oppression is obvious, when the truth is hidden, the only time that keeping quite is the better option is when you have nothing of substance to contribute. I would take a politician who constantly remind the ruling party of the importance of good governance and transparency in governance, over one who sleeps in between parliamentary sessions.

But how do you know for fact that what they say is actually what they believe and not just talk to aimed at scoring popularity points?

They are politicians, scoring popularity points is part and parcel of their JOB. I am not naive to think Politicians are supposed to be humble. that's a trait i like out of my accountant. A good politician is supposed to be bold and open about what they believe and communicate that to his electorate as open as possible

Hapo awali kuna kiongozi gani aliyeweka fedha zake Uswisi?

CHENGE.

Hapo unajidhihirisha tu jinsi viwango vyako vilivyo chini. Unakuwa impressed na vitu vidogo vidogo mno. Huna tofauti na wale wanaoita wenzao 'vichwa' kwa kuongea mambo ya kawaida kabisa.

NO, I am a realist, I understand context, and i am discussing this based on existing political context in Tanzania.
We are where we are in Tanzania because our leaders have failed to take even the tinniest of steps to correct wrongs or oversee governance. We have had the ethics body for many years, but only this year we have seen them "waking up" and start questioning leaders ill gotten wealth. Hivi vidogo wanavyovifanya kina zitto ni vikubwa sana impact wise kwa ustawi na maendeleo ya nchi.i will take that anytime over empty promises of big things and results that never see the light of day. BRN comes to mind.
I don't expect for a Heathrow standards airport when i fly out of Luton the same way i don't expect a camry to be as powerful behind the wheel as LaFerrari. Call it whatever you want, but i have different expectation levels for different individuals, surroundings and situations. If you package everything into as single set of expectations then you must have a very "interesting" view of things.

Wewe ndo unadai wako wachache sana na kwamba hawajai kwenye viganja vya mikono ukiwahesabu. Kwa kusema hivyo natumai utakuwa unawajua maana unaweza hata kuwahesabu.
Nitajie basi hao wachache wasioweza kujaa viganjani?

kwa nini usiwataje hao wengi? Mie ninaoona wenye afadhali mule ndani ni Lisu, Mdee na Mnyika. Slaa nimemtoa kwa kuwa sio mbunge, mbowe kwa kuwa ni Mwenyekiti, kwa hiyo automatically ana chukua credit za timu yake yote. Waliobaki i don't see much. Haya nasubiri wewe unitajie hao wengi sasa..,ukumbi ni wako


Nami sikusema umesema Zitto hana mabaya. Unajihami bure tu.
Good.

The jury is still out on that so we shall see.
Sure, may we continue to live in interesting times

I think they are 10 times better now. And dare I say it was good riddance to bad rubbish.

A good "exact" figure with zero backup, care to put some meat on that sentence?

Best political event of the year? What was that?
Escrow Saga bungeni DODOMA.My opinion,yours?

CHADEMA can go on without him. He is expendable.

Of-course even NCCR went on without Mrema, as a shell of it's former self.
Actually ZITTO is not as big a loss to CHADEMA as what he stood for. For any serious politician in Tanzania, CHADEMA just portrayed themselves as a party that can not accept opposing views. CCM with all it's shortcomings has done a good job to accommodate opposing views at the higher spectrum of its leadership chain. Today you look at Lowasa, Magufuli, Membe, Wasira, Makamba, Mwigulu and countless other presidential hopefuls and you see a party that accommodates people with very polarized views of where the country should head. This in my opinion is the strongest CCM has been for a long time.
 

Kiongozi wa taasisi yoyote anachukua credit ya kazi za taasisi anayoiongoza, na anapokea lawama pia. PAC in another form ilikuwepo kabla ya Zitto kuwa mwenyekiti, uliwahi kuwaona hata siku moja wakiwa at the centre of a political storm pushing the concerned parties to accountability?

Getting 20 something percentage of votes is not a big win, that is something CCM should be celebrating. For chadema that was a step in the right direction. Sorry, to disappoint you.
It is appalling how you come up with these authoritative conclusions without factual evidences!!

What evidence do you want, wakati it's all there for the public to see that CCM does whatever it wants with Katiba MPYA?didn't we see UKAWA walk out?

I have said, and I am saying this again: the ultimate goal of a political party is to win elections and get in power. If it happens a party succeed in doing so, then that is the biggest news for the party and its followers, and not otherwise.

I see, CHADEMA is willing to do that even by having a dictatorship constitution and kill democracy in the process. Guess what, this only works if you have power.


UKAWA walking out did not stop the referendum vote from proceeding or the president blessings of the entire thing, which is what matters after CCM made sure the votes were enough to legalize the entire thing. That is failure in my book.

CCM spending money to get what they want is what they have always done, you can not credit that to UKAWA.The fact that we are not talking of Yes vote and no longer about the demands of UKAWA means that battle has long been won by CCM. Now UKAWA is moving to fight in a battle they can't win, VOTES.
 
Precedent is in the vote, that has never happened before, you keep playing dumb and dumbing everything down to the minimum level, this is childish.

Then make yourself clear by being very specific. You can't toss around broad generalities and expect not to be checked.

Trust me, i stopped worrying about my grammar in an informal public forum 20 years ago, i am not going to start worrying about that now. It seems this is all you have left. pettiness. sad.

I wasn't even correcting you about grammar. I was correcting you about the saying. It's sad you can't even tell the difference. Perhaps you should start worrying about your overall knowledge which is more than just grammar.

you probably missed " toka upinzani Tanzania"


Nope.

So, yes i don't remember from CCM but i am sure there is none from the opposition side. See..,

What makes you be so sure about it?

Kwa kulazimisha mafanikio ya ZITTO yawe individualistic, wakati it's common knowledge kwa mtu kuwa na mafanikio kama kiongozi,na akatoa credit kwa timu yake au washiriki wenzake.

Mimi sijasogeza goli kwa kulazimisha mafanikio ya "ZITTO yawe individualistic". Hiyo ni tafsiri yako ya kimakosa.

Ukijijibu, sitajibu, kwani umeshajijibu.

Huwezi kujibu kwa sababu hujui hata ulichokiandika.


Naona umeamua kucheza seesaw sasa.

Kama unamaanisha kuwa waziri mkuu wa Tanzania sio kiongozi mkuu wa serikali, au mawaziri waandamizi wa serikali sio viongozi wa serikali, au wenyeviti wa kamati za bunge zio viongozi wa serikali, then i guess umeamua kuleta ligi tu hapa.

Naona una matatizo na kuwa mahsusi.


Usilazimishe mambo. Sijakubali chochote "implicitly".

Good job quoting out of context to divert what is clearly the fact that you are conceding the facts.

And what's the context I quoted out of?

You are playing DUMB

Hivi umeukariri huo msemo?

by telling people to stop giving ZITTO credit for overseeing success of institution he leads,

You've got it all twisted. I haven't told anyone to stop giving Zitto any credit.

Challenging what one says about someone is not the same as telling them to stop showering a person with plaudits.


This is complete gobbledygook.


Okay, I can appreciate that.

They are politicians, scoring popularity points is part and parcel of their JOB.

Where in their job description is it written that lip service (to score popularity points) is part and parcel of their job?

I am not naive to think Politicians are supposed to be humble. that's a trait i like out of my accountant.

Politics is a rough and tumble business and most people realize that. I (and many other people for that matter) just want people (politicians) who are about that action. Not empty rhetoric.

A good politician is supposed to be bold and open about what they believe and communicate that to his electorate as open as possible

You'll get no argument from me there.


Evidence...?

NO, I am a realist, I understand context, and i am discussing this based on existing political context in Tanzania.

Okay, let's see if you really understand context as you claim.

We are where we are in Tanzania because our leaders have failed to take even the tinniest of steps to correct wrongs or oversee governance.

Oh so it's only the leaders' fault?

We have had the ethics body for many years, but only this year we have seen them "waking up" and start questioning leaders ill gotten wealth.

Are you sure about that?

Hivi vidogo wanavyovifanya kina zitto ni vikubwa sana impact wise kwa ustawi na maendeleo ya nchi.i will take that anytime over empty promises of big things and results that never see the light of day.

Kina Zitto ndo akina nani hao? Wako wangapi?


BRN comes to mind.

Okay...


How is this germane to what is being discussed here?

kwa nini usiwataje hao wengi?

Niwataje hao wengi kwani nimesema nawajua?

Mie ninaoona wenye afadhali mule ndani ni Lisu, Mdee na Mnyika. Slaa nimemtoa kwa kuwa sio mbunge, mbowe kwa kuwa ni Mwenyekiti, kwa hiyo automatically ana chukua credit za timu yake yote. Waliobaki i don't see much.

Vizuri. Nashukuru umewataja hao wachache.

Haya nasubiri wewe unitajie hao wengi sasa..,ukumbi ni wako

Nilikuahidi nitakutajia hao wengi?


Yessir.

Sure, may we continue to live in interesting times

Sure.

A good "exact" figure with zero backup, care to put some meat on that sentence?

What meat?

Escrow Saga bungeni DODOMA.My opinion,yours?

None.

Of-course even NCCR went on without Mrema, as a shell of it's former self.

CHADEMA is far bigger than NCCR ever was.

Actually ZITTO is not as big a loss to CHADEMA as what he stood for.

Huh?

For any serious politician in Tanzania, CHADEMA just portrayed themselves as a party that can not accept opposing views.

How exactly? Did Zitto get drummed out because of having opposing views?


Was Zitto kicked out because of holding opposing viewpoints?
 
Mkuu wengi humu wasahaulifu lkn sijui kama wewe unakumbuka vizuri. Hilo la kwanza lisingewezekana kwa sababu Zitto mwenyewe aliwahi kusema kwamba hakuwahi kusomewa wala kupewa orodha ya mashtaka 11 ila kuulizwa tu kama alishirika kukisaliti chama. Na kama unakumbuka vizuri kabla ya waraka ule kutolewa Zitto mwenyewe alianza kubuni sababu zake humu JF, mara ukatoka waraka feki na kadhalika hadi tukaambiwa kulikoni..

Baadaye yalifumbuka, Zitto akakana kuhusika na maandalizi hayo, na hakuna ushaidi wowote tulousoma ukionyesha wazi kwamba Zitto alihusika isipokuwa habari za mwaandishi waliodai kuwa naye. Kwa hiyo hilo la kwanza lisingewezekana kwa sababu kina Kitila walitaka kuvunja sektretariet ambayo ndio kamati kuu na ni kamati hii ndio walotoa maamuzi ya kuwafukuza. Sasa kweli hapo Zitto angeweza vipi kukijenga chama ikiwa maadui wake wote ni viongozi walogundua kwamba walitaka kuondolewa uongozi?..

Ila kulingana na madai ya Zitto na Kitila. Wao walitaka kulingana na kanuni za chama baraza kuu la chama ndio lipewe kesi hii na wasikilize pande zote kisha maamuzi yatolewe jambo ambalo kamati kuu ilihakikisha halifanyiki. Hivyo basi asingeweza kupenyeza lolote (A) acha hiyo (B) kwa wanachama likakubalika pasipo baraka za kamati kuu ambao wanalinda nafasi zao.. Haiwezekani.

jamani Zitto ana makosa yake na pengine hakufaa kuwa mwenyekiti wa chama lakini ukweli utasimama kuwa HAKI haikutendeka na sidhani hadi kesho kwamba Zitto angeweza kushinda uchaguzi mkuu na kuwa mwenyekiti acha mbali Urais ndani ya Chadema.
Hey, Pengine it's a good thing in disguise!
 
 

Ina maana mmeshasahau kwamba Zitto alizuiliwa kutumia rasilimali za chama, na viongozi walipigwa marufuku kutoshiriki kuandaa mikutano ambayo Zitto atahutubia? Kwa mantiki hiyo hilo la kwanza lisingewezekana kabisa.

Na kama hilo la kwanza lilishashindikana hayo mengine yangewezekanaje!?
 
Nalisema hili kwa sababu najaribu kukumbuka juzi wakati wa chaguzi za serikali zaitaa nilitegemea ungebatana na wenzako katika kampeni kuwanadi wagombea wako kupitia CHADEMA bila kujali kesi ilikua mahakamani, hapa ningetambua kua kweli pomoja na changamoto zote ungeonesha mahaba yako kwa CHADEMA kuwa unakipenda chama.Napata kigugumizi hata kukushauri kuomba msamaha kwa yote yaliyotokea ili kusonga mbele!

Hivi ukimya wako kaka wakati wa kampeni ni kiongozi yupi wa CHADEMA /mwanachama yupi wa CHADEMA angeuelewa msamaha wako wakati hata katika jimbo lako viongozi wote waliopatika s/mitaa walitokea ACT?

Ulinishangaza sana pale uliposhauriwa ukae na viongozi wa CHADEMA kuondoa tofauti zenu lakini kwa jeuri yako ukataka ueleweshwe makosa yako kwanza ndipo haya yafanyike, Ni vigumu sana kuamini kwamba unaweza kurejea kua yule Zitto wa miaka ya nyuma ukiwa nje ya CHADEMA.
 
Na ile kauli ya ZZK kuwa waliomuua Mwangosi kuwa ana ushahidi wa kutosha kuwa ni CDM nayo inahitaji kuelekezwa?
 
Mkuu chadema haipaswi kuonyesha taswira ya uoga kwa watanzania juu ya kile inachokiamini. Hasa suala la kikatiba. Kama ungekuwa mshauri wa chama basi ungewapotosha viongozi na wanachama wa chadema.
Nayasema haya kujibu hiki unchokiita kukurupuka kwa chadema kutoa tamko juu ya hatima ya Zitto ndani ktk chama hiki mara baada ya maamuzi ya mahakama juu kesi iliyofunguliwa na Zitto mwenyewe.
 
Zitto hapo ndio Mwisho wa Ubora wake.......

kinacho ni fraisha zaidi hadi vijijini kwa sasa ni waelewa.
 
mkuu wewe ndo umeeleza ukweli bila kificho. tutakutana october-december 2015. tutatenda.
 

Tatizo Zito hashauriki. ni mbinafsi sana na mpenda sifa binafsi bila kujali hizo sifa kazipataje.
 
Kweli kabisa Zitto amefeli 'leadership qualities' lakini ka-win populality in confusing the majority of Tanzanians. Kila kukicha habari zake zipo sebuleni. Wengi wa wachangiaji wako nje ya ukweli wa jambo zima la bwanamdogo huyu aliyetaka kuwatoa waTZ kafara kwa mafisadi kubuhu. Bwanamdogo mwenyewe amewaachia waTZ wamsemee badala ya yeye kutamka ukweli wa nini kilitokea kabla ya kunaswa na mtego ule. Hata viongozi wa CHADEMA nao pia wamewaachia waTZ wajadili hadi wachoke. KUNANINI HASA KATIKATI YA WAWILI HAWA? Mimi na wewe hatujui. Nimetafakari sana lakini nimekuja kwa wanaJF tusemezane: Kumbuka kabla ya mtanange huu, laptop ya bwanamdogo ilinyang'anywa na bila shaka ilipelekea "ku-download" all informations and transactions ambazo bwanamdogo alikuwa akizifanya. Ndipo mtanange ulipoanza. Je wewe na mimi tunajua walichokiona kikiendelea? Bwanamdogo naye anajua kwa dhati kabisa alichokuwa akikifanya kupitia laptop ile. HAWA WAWILI WAMELALA KWENYE KISIKI HIKI. Mimi na wewe hatuwezi kukikata kisiki hiki. UKWELI UPO HAPO. Viongozi wanawasikilizeni sana yote msemayo na Zitto pia anapima uzito wa uelewa wetu juu ya kile viongozi walichokiona ambacho kwake hawezi kukitamka kwa kinywa chake. Ndiyo maana ni vigumu sana kwake kuomba radhi na pia viongozi hawataki wakurupuke kumsemea mtu. SWALI; WALIONA NINI? Haya wanaJF TWENDE KAZINI. NANI ANA TETESI?
 
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