Who "Played" Nyerere?

Who "Played" Nyerere?

Namini hili ndio kosa alilolifanya Nyerere, hakuacha hizi Instutions bali acha CCM kama the Only Institution na ndio maana alisema BILA CCM IMARA Taifa Litayumba. so alitumia Muda mwingi Kujenga CCM badala ya Institutions za Kitaifa kama Mahakama, jeshi, bunge, bila kusahahu serekali.

Kibanga,

You have hit the nail!. Assumption alizokuwa nazo Mwalimu baada ya Azimio la Arusha with a little speech here and there and under one party system was that everything was going to go into auto pilot.

What Mwalimu failed to see is who were truly his followers/desciples. He failed to adhere to the Italian saying keep your friends close, but keep your ememies closer.

He assumed his followers were truly believers of Siasa ya Ujamaa na Kujitegemea and were fighting same battle with him, not knowing they were fighting him.

We now know who betrayed him and who played him... there is no need for forensic investigations into it, the evidence is loud and clear!
 
Salim A salim was a believer but he is sorrounded by greedies!!

But all in all to conclude this topic We needed and we still need "strong instutions and not strong Leader"

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100% true
 
what a waste of your time, hating on someone you'd never even wash his shoes, let alone get an eye for whatever reasons a man might have

What good did he do for the country for 24 long years? apart from leaving it the poorest in the world?
 
If you think leadership can transform you, you are so mistaken. If Jesus could never transform you, who could?

Jesus did not force anyone to transform, he preached of better ways and allow our individualselves to make that choice. I believe same thing was done by Mohammed, he did not seek to force people into transformation of being good citizens and followers of the faith he preached.

Same will be said about political leadership. It is there to inspire and plant ideas, thoughts that will transform an individual into a desied state. However it is a choice that individual to make to agree or disagree.

A good leadership has vast followers and believers of the message of the leader. That is what Jesus and Mohammed achievd, that is what Washington, Lenin, Mao, Nyerere and Arafat achieved and were sucessful to a certain extent, ending up betrayed by few greedy close supporters!
 
What good did he do for the country for 24 long years? apart from leaving it the poorest in the world?

Just check with DRC and they will tell you......... we have somewhat similar blessings of natural resources, but they ran for quick bucs and we didnt, we are trying now and you see where we are heading
 
If you think leadership can transform you, you are so mistaken. If Jesus could never transform you, who could?

Udini mama... sio wenyewe kabisa

Una transformation yoyote kutoka kwa Mtume Muhammad S.A.W??
 
Nyerere made a fatal mistake by strengthening CCM expecting it to leader Tanzania for the rest of its life, he should have gave that strength to Judicial, Parliamentary and Executive through strong Constitution, he should have created the check and balance through those three branches of Government, he did not

Those who took after him immediately they through away CCM strength by using Zanzibar Declaration which they didn't even let the Tanzanian and Nyerere himself know what they did at Zanzibar, they were ashamed of themselve. They started to act fun but we knew that something has changed.

Without strong Judicial, Parliament and Executive wings, no one can check another person another, thats what we are expriencing in Tanzania. In CCM itself it seems there is no seniority, Mwigulu Nchemba is above everyone, Nape can do anything he like, this is stupid, i remember when i used to see Dr. Salimin Amour and Kikwete working at Lumumba with great obdience to their leader, but now we dont know who is the leader in CCM, the Chairman is quite to all nonesence his boys are doing and now even CCM member see their leader has that they dont have power

Whats happening to Tanzania now can only be avoided or reversed back if we get someone clean who will not be intimidated by the leaders we have now which is difficult considering the situation we have in our country, Dr. Salim Ahmed Salim may be the right candidates but am not sure if they will allow him to contest.

We are in bad shape now and we need a serious leader to lead us to the right direction
 
Jesus did not force anyone to transform, he preached of better ways and allow our individualselves to make that choice. I believe same thing was done by Mohammed, he did not seek to force people into transformation of being good citizens and followers of the faith he preached.

Same will be said about political leadership. It is there to inspire and plant ideas, thoughts that will transform an individual into a desied state. However it is a choice that individual to make to agree or disagree.

A good leadership has vast followers and believers of the message of the leader. That is what Jesus and Mohammed achievd, that is what Washington, Lenin, Mao, Nyerere and Arafat achieved and were sucessful to a certain extent, ending up betrayed by few greedy close supporters!

Changing the leaders as you were preaching on your earlier post can never make a change within you. As you confirmed above, Great leaders like Jesus and Muhammad have had "vast" followers, Muslims do follow both, Jesus and Muhammad.

Our Nyerere followed Jesus alone like you do, and what good did Nyerere do for 24 Years apart from being blessed with a gift of blarney?

I am asking you, again and again, if even Jesus whom you vastly follow could never change you, how can you expect other mortal leaders to change you? the change should be within you before you start to expect others to change you.

What change of leaders do you expect to change you if Nyerere failed to change you for 24 years? he left you poorest in the world and he was following Jesus to the dot.

Now, only now with Kikwete leadership, you have the chance to change yourself and excel within, if you could not grab the chance or the idea, I am telling you, even the comeback of Jesus will never ever be able to change you. The least he could do is just blame you for your own failures. Remember that.

"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" - mostly credited to John F. Kennedy but the true quote is from George St John, President's former headmaster.

 
Just check with DRC and they will tell you......... we have somewhat similar blessings of natural resources, but they ran for quick bucs and we didnt, we are trying now and you see where we are heading

Thinking that your natural resources can help you from your miseries is the poorest way of thinking ever.
 
Kibanga,

You have hit the nail!. Assumption alizokuwa nazo Mwalimu baada ya Azimio la Arusha with a little speech here and there and under one party system was that everything was going to go into auto pilot.

What Mwalimu failed to see is who were truly his followers/desciples. He failed to adhere to the Italian saying keep your friends close, but keep your ememies closer.

He assumed his followers were truly believers of Siasa ya Ujamaa na Kujitegemea and were fighting same battle with him, not knowing they were fighting him.

We now know who betrayed him and who played him... there is no need for forensic investigations into it, the evidence is loud and clear!

Nyerere betrayed us all and he was never betrayed, those who tried vanished. People believed in him wholeheartedly but what was the result? great suffering s in the land of milk and honey.

Nyerere fooled most of us with the only gift he possessed, the gift of blarney.
 
Hivi Tanzania bila kusaidiwa kutoka nje ina nini zaidi, inachoweza kusema cha kujivunia kujiendesha yenyewe?

Hata sindano ya kushonea hatujuwi kutengeneza bila msaada wa nje, hivi mnataka kusema nini?
Dada - ni kuwa sera ya ubinafsishaji ulioletwa na IMF/World Bank, kwa hata vile viwanda vilivyo anzishwa na hayati Mwl. JKN ndiyo imeleta balaa la sembe mjini . Pia mbele ya vipande thelathini vya pesa ( kwa kubinafsisha Viwanda na Migodi) watu (viongozi) ambao Mwalimu aliona ndio waumini wake wa karibu wakawa wa kwanza kumsaliti...
 
Dada - ni kuwa sera ya ubinafsishaji ulioletwa na IMF/World Bank, kwa hata vile viwanda vilivyo anzishwa na hayati Mwl. JKN ndiyo imeleta balaa la sembe mjini . Pia mbele ya vipande thelathini vya pesa ( kwa kubinafsisha Viwanda na Migodi) watu (viongozi) ambao Mwalimu aliona ndio waumini wake wa karibu wakawa wa kwanza kumsaliti...

Moja katika makosa aliyoyafanya Nyerere ni kuanzisha na kutaifisha (kudhulumu) viwanda wakati hana wa kuviendesha.

Sasa wewe fikiria ukakope bank na kiwanda unachotegemea kikuingizie pesa za kurudisha kinakuingizia hasara badala ya faida ni benki ipi itakukopesha? mawee!
 
Moja katika makosa aliyoyafanya Nyerere ni kuanzisha na kutaifisha (kudhulumu) viwanda wakati hana wa kuviendesha.

Sasa wewe fikiria ukakope bank na kiwanda unachotegemea kikuingizie pesa za kurudisha kinakuingizia hasara badala ya faida ni benki ipi itakukopesha? mawee!
Dada F - tuli wahi ku-debate hili in one of the previous threads. Kutaifisha mashamba pengine naweza kukubaliana kuwa it may have not been the right decision. Lakini je kubinafsisha Migodi yote ya Dhahabu na almasi in return for 3% royalty per year, Kweli unaona hiyo ni Busara? And was it JKN's fault?..
 
Mwalimu was like a Rabbi surrounded by a congregation of fools and conniving students as they are today.as Jesus had all apostles ran away when he was sold by Judas.
Once my grandpa told me.even as a master may has his faults..so a good students learns and refines the best not the worst.we all learn in science,Darwin began with evolution theories today we have Genetics as discipline by itself solving crimes to etc.
Kama tukianza kuhesabu ubaya wa mtu nani atasimama??
I dont want to be naive or Mwalimu sympathizer but if we all knew we have ni institutions why not build them now.
Mea culpa for my language..F**k 'em all..
They played the the Mentor as best proteges..but they're dumb that's keep fearing him even in his coffin as a motionless cadaver.
thanks Mwalimu at least you gave something of a legacy..
Viongozi gani hata haawandiki..tutasoma nini kwao ....??
 
We have been misled and misdirected for the last 10 years! The campaign to destabilize Tanzania started before Mwinyi's term was done and massive facilitation of the strategy happened there after and later on, fingers are being pointed to a weakly ------...

Who were the people behind Mkapa accension to power?

Why did Mwalimu played a wrong hand with Mizengwe and toss Msuya who was the heir apparent after Mwinyi under false premise of taming Kikwete and allow Mkapa to become the humble no name to become the president?

Was Kikwete awarded the presidence to silence him and a reward for his loyalty that has turned him blind, deaf and basically ineffective?

In 10 years of Mkapa, the formal execution of trade liberalisation took place where literaly all mashirikaz were sold, sold for pennies and there was massive campain to privatise everything and the greatest Changa la macho we got from Mr. Uwazi bin Clean was Paris Club writting off our debts and the so called surplus that now Kikwete has squandered!

No one asks when EPA really happened despite the fact the benefactor was the current President, the death of industrialization and uzawa movement in exchange of massive FDI programs that brought us Barrick, IPTL and other "foreign investments" program under TIC!

No one remembers that Abdallah Kigoda was then Waziri wa Viwanda and came about from finance I believe and he was being prepared to become heir apparent until Sitta, Kikwete and Lowassa flexed their muscles and what they were left with is fighting each other for power!

As we remember Nyerere, we need to come out of our comfort zone and ask each other the hard questions, starting with Msuya's speech conceeding nomination 1995...who played and fooled Nyerere the master of politics, the genius who led us through throngs of so many ill elements?

When he passed away in London, were the tears shed by these crooks genuine or were there to appease Watanzania?

Sadly Kikwete will fall into his own sword for being a weak president to act who all ills are pointed to him and all he could do best is play diplomacy within his party and shrug his shoulders!
Kikwete won the presidency by bribery. I am told the night before the nomination, Rostum Aziz approached Mkapa and offered him a $3million bribery to ensure Kikwete is nominated. Mkapa played with the nominating process to ensure Kikwete becomes president, and like Judas, up to this day he is "ashamed" of himself. I hope he clarifies this in his soon to be published book.
 
Hivi Tanzania bila kusaidiwa kutoka nje ina nini zaidi, inachoweza kusema cha kujivunia kujiendesha yenyewe?

Hata sindano ya kushonea hatujuwi kutengeneza bila msaada wa nje, hivi mnataka kusema nini?
Hapo ndio unapokosea Faizafox, wakati wa Mwalimu angalau viwanda vilikuwapo na wote tulivishuhudia na wengine walifanya kazi huko, ni kweli alikuwa akipata misaada lakini alijitahid kujenga taifa lisilo tegemezi sana! Haya yote usemayo yalianza wakati wa Mzee Mwinyi!
 
Dada F - tuli wahi ku-debate hili in one of the previous threads. Kutaifisha mashamba pengine naweza kukubaliana kuwa it may have not been the right decision. Lakini je kubinafsisha Migodi yote ya Dhahabu na almasi in return for 3% royalty per year, Kweli unaona hiyo ni Busara? And was it JKN's fault?..

Mgodi wa Almasi ulikuwepo kabla ya Nyerere.

Kuhusu royalty ya 3% watu wengi wanapenda amma ku mislead watu amma kufurahisha barza. Kikwete miaka ya mwanzo alipoingia madarakani, aliliona hili na akamchaguwa Zitto kabwe kuwa kiongozi wa tume ya kupitia mikataba ya madini, baada ya hapo royalty ikaongezeka kuwa 4%.

Cha kuelewa au kufahamu ni kuwa, royalty ya 3% inatolewa ikiwa mgodi una faida au hasara. Na baada ya kujilipa hasara mgodi unalipa kodi zingine zote kama kawaida.

Ungeniuliza kwanini hatukuingia ubia (kabla ya uongozi wa Kikwete) kwenye migodi kama ambavyo inafanyika sasa wakati wa Kikwete, hapo ningekuelewa.

Kumbuka kitu kimoja katika dunia ambayo biashara yake inategemea mpaka watu wa nje waje kununuwa, ukiongelea Almasi, De Beers Group ndio wanamiliki soko la Almasi duniani. Watakuumiza ukipenda usipende.

Ukiongelea Dhahabu ndio hayo hayo, bila kuwa na wanunuzi na au wachimbaji wa nje, dhahabu yako haina faida hata chembe.

Leo tunaongelea madini kama vile ndio utajiri pekee tuliokuwa nao Tanzania. Tuna kahawa, chai, cocoa, mkonge, korosho, pamba, samaki, mifugo na mazao mengine kadhaa, ambayo pekee yangetufikisha mbali sana. Lakini kwa miaka 24 ya Nyerere yametufikisha wapi zaidi ya kutufanya tuwe maskini wa mwisho duniani? Jee, unajuwa kwanini?

Kumbuka kuna migodi ya dhahabu Tanganyika ipo toka wakati wa Mjerumani, hatukuanza leo.
 
Hivi Tanzania bila kusaidiwa kutoka nje ina nini zaidi, inachoweza kusema cha kujivunia kujiendesha yenyewe?

Hata sindano ya kushonea hatujuwi kutengeneza bila msaada wa nje, hivi mnataka kusema nini?

Napingana nawewe. Tanzania tunaweza kabisa, kwani mataifa yalioendelea yalitokea wapi? Viongozi wenye fikra kama zako ndiyo wanasababisha umaskini waraia kutoisha.

Hivi wapi duniani nchi zimeendelea kwa misaada kutoka ulaya na Marekani? Tunaitaji viongozi wenye misimamo kama Mwalimu Nyerere, ambao awatayumbishwa na marafiki zao, familia zao, ndugu zao. Tunaitaji viongozi ambao wataweka Tanzania mbele kuliko kitu kingine.

Viongozi waliokuwa wamemzunguka Mwalimu Nyerere walimsaliti baada ya yeye kutoka madarakani. Kiongozi gani wasasa hapa Tanzania anaweza kusimama na kutetea raia kwa nguvu zake zote? Viwanda wamevizika, mashirika ya umma ndio usiseme, elimu ndio majanga kabisa, usafiri ndio kabisa hakuna anaye jali.

Mwalimu Nyerere tutakukumbuka daima, hata wanao kubeza wanaona aibu mioyoni mwao.
 
Mmmmh very hard to understand! How come no body within a group of mwalimu dare not to follow what they have been belief? That mean mwalimu was alone of his believe?
Even Mzee Kingunge testifies this, unbelievable on how Tanzanians can pretend!
 
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