Uraia wa nchi mbili: Maendelo na Matokeo yake!

[Mlenge]

Kwa vipi, Koba?

 

[Companero]

of many words I hate to describe myself is that of being the "diaspora".. Tanzanians have never been to the Diaspora..!!!

Yule Mtanzania aliyeuliwa na kina Hitler alikuwa kwenye nini? Na wale Watanzania wakimbizi wa fujo za Zanzibar walikuwa kwenye nini? Pia hawa kina Nyani waliokimbia ugumu wa maisha ya Bongo wako kwenye nini?

Dhana ya Diaspora ni pana, haihusiana na Wayahudi na Watumwa wa Kiafrika tu! Ukipata muda msome mtafiti huyu wa masuala ya Diaspora - chanzo kiko chini:

Defining and Debating African Diasporas
There are several conceptual difficulties in defining the African diaspora; indeed defining the term "diaspora" itself is difficult, for it simultaneously refers to a process, a condition, a space, and a discourse: the continuous processes by which a diaspora is made, unmade and remade, the changing conditions in which it lives and expresses itself, the places where it is molded and imagined, and the contentious ways in which it is studied and discussed. Also embodied in the term "diaspora" are temporal, spatial, and cultural considerations, the connections and divides of the diaspora from the times, spaces, and cultures of the putative homeland. Clearly, the temporality, spatiality, and culturality of the African diaspora are more problematic than might appear at first sight. When and why did the dispersal of the Africans start, where and what did they spread, which and whose culture(s) did they share, transform, and create?3
Dispersal does not automatically create a diaspora. A diasporic identity implies a form of group consciousness constituted historically through expressive culture, politics, thought and tradition, in which existential and representational resources are mobilized, in varied measures, from the imaginaries of both the old and the new worlds. A diaspora is constructed as much in the fluid and messy contexts of social existence, differentiation and struggle, as in the discourses of the intellectuals and political elites. Its development involves the mobilization and appropriation of what Jacqueline Brown calls "diasporic resources" - cultural productions, people, and places, and their associated iconography, images, ideas, and ideologies.4
Given the multiplicity of historical conditions in which diasporic identities can be molded, there cannot but exist different African diasporas whose complex relationships and exchanges, including the trafficking of the notion of diaspora itself or Africanity, are entwined in the very construction of the various diasporas. It is in the metropolitan centers, in the interstices of the "overlapping diasporas," to use Earl Lewis's term,5 that different diasporas connect, communicate and sometimes compete most intimately, thereby refashioning themselves and creating and commodifying new transnational diasporic cultures mediated by national, ethnic, religious, class, and gender identities.
There are several dispersals associated with African peoples over time. Colin Palmer has identified at least six, three in prehistoric and ancient times (beginning with the great exodus that began about 100,000 years ago from the continent to other continents), and three in modern times, including those associated with the Indian Ocean slave trade to Asia, the Atlantic slave trade to the Americas, and the contemporary movement of Africans and peoples of African descent to various parts of the globe.6 Our tendency to privilege the modern diasporic streams, especially the last two, is a tribute to the epistemic and economic hegemony of the Euroamerican world system which spawned them and created what Tiffany Patterson and Robin Kelly call "global race and gender hierarchies" within which African diasporas are situated and often discussed.7
It is quite instructive that the term "African diaspora" only emerged in the 1950s and 1960s in the United States, although African diasporas existed long before then in different parts of the world, and African peoples were mobilized using other terms, such as Pan-Africanism. One author complains that the discursive politics of the term diaspora has "imposed a U. S. and English language-centered model of black identity on the complex experiences of populations of African descent."8 But even African diasporic histories focused on the wider Atlantic world are partial in so far as African migrations and diaspora communities also emerged in the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean worlds of Southern Europe and Asia.9 Michael West has even suggested that if black internationalism, in the ontological sense, did not originate in Africa, we also need to think of a "Black Pacific," an entity which, if "properly constructed, would include not just communities of African descent along the Pacific coast of North, Central, and South America, but also, presumably, black communities with no known ties to Africa — in historic times, that is - elsewhere in the South Pacific, such as Fiji, Papua New Guinea, and Australia, communities that only began to join the black internationalism earnest in the 1960s."10
The conflation of hegemony and discourse can be seen in the preeminent position occupied by African Americans in diaspora studies, despite the fact that the largest community of diaspora Africans in the Atlantic world, indeed globally, is in Brazil not in the United States. Such is the popular fascination and scholarly preoccupation with the African American diaspora that they remain foregrounded even in texts that set out to destool them, such as Paul Gilroy's The Black Atlantic, itself a monument to Anglophone self-referential conceit and myopia. If Africa is largely a silent primordial presence in Gilroy's Black Atlantic, the historic Atlantic African diaspora is pilloried by Kwame Appiah's In My Father's House in his ill-tempered charge against the supposedly racialist Pan-Africanisms of Alexander Crummell and W. E. Du Bois.11 In fact, it can [End Page 262] be argued that except in the obligatory histories of Pan-Africanism and nationalism, the historic African diaspora tends to be ignored in much African scholarly discourse. Instead, far greater concern is expressed for the travails of the contemporary African diaspora in the North, but even here the discourse is firmly rooted in the economistic preoccupations of development studies, rather than the culturalist politics of diaspora studies.12
It is critical for African scholars on the continent to become more engaged in diaspora studies, to help in mapping out the histories and geographies of African global migrations, dispersals, and diasporas which are so crucial to deepening our understanding of both African history and world history for intellectual and ideological reasons, developmental and cultural considerations. African migrations to the North, especially Western Europe and North America, are increasing.13 Many of these migrants are constituting themselves into new diasporas, whose identities involve complex negotiations with the host African diaspora communities and their countries of origin. If the diasporas of enslavement - the historic diasporas - had no choice but to see themselves in Pan-Africanist terms whenever they identified with Africa, the diasporas of colonialism and neo-colonialism - the contemporary diasporas - are more disposed to see themselves in pan-national, or even pan-ethnic, terms. It cannot be taken, for granted, therefore, that the contemporary diasporas are more Pan-Africanist than the historic diasporas, which is one more reason for the different diasporas to engage each other and for institutions on the continent to engage both.
In a country such as the United States, there are at least four waves of African diasporas: first, the historic communities of African Americans, themselves formed out of complex internal and external migrations over several hundred years; second, migrant communities from other diasporic locations, such as the Caribbean that have maintained or invoke, when necessary or convenient, national identities as Jamaicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, and so on; third, the recent immigrants from the indigenous communities of Africa; and finally, African migrants who are themselves diasporas from Asia or Europe, such as the East African Asians or South African whites. Each of these diasporas, broadly speaking, has its own connections and commitments to Africa, its own memories and imaginations of Africa, and its own conceptions of the diasporic condition and identity. The third group is, in turn, sometimes divided by the racialized codifications of whiteness and blackness, sanctified in the colonial cartographies of North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa, and by U. S. immigration law under which North Africans are classified as white.
This merely points to the complexities of the African diasporas and challenges of studying them and underscores Kim Butler's point that "conceptualizations of diaspora must be able to accommodate the reality of multiple identities and phases of diasporization over time." She offers a simple but useful schema for diasporan study divided into five dimensions: "(1) reasons for, and conditions of, the dispersal; (2) relationship with homeland; (3) relationship with hostlands; (4) interrelationships within diasporan groups; (5) comparative study of different diasporas."14 For Darlene Clark Hine, Black diaspora studies need to have three features: a transatlantic framework, an interdisciplinary methodology, and a comparative perspective.15 I would agree with the last two and revise the first, arguing that African diaspora studies need to have a global framework.

Source: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/compar...rica_and_the_middle_east/v024/24.1zeleza.html

 

[Mkereme]

Kwa vipi, Koba?

Wewe Campa!

Why do you have to waste your time on this useless topic . Afadhali ungepigania watz wapate elimu huo uraia wa nchi mbili au call it duo citizenship unamsaidia nini mama yako kule Namtumbo au Kishapu where anakopwa korosho na pamba kwa wimbo wa stakabadhi ghalani? Take it from me baada ya kupata duo then some of you fools mtakuja na multiple citizenship. Huo ni upuuzi wa kupindukia only so few thieves like ROSTAM Aziz have much much interest in this useless campaign. For the rest its a waste of time very few wanaochuma janga na kula na wa kwao therefore mods way don't you end this useless talk about duo x multiple citizenship. For the 40million Tanzanians hii ni aibu + fedheha hao Wachina mnaosema no one wants to become MTZ so why don't you want to use your grey matter au imejaa pumba!!!

 

[Wandimazz]

times have changed bro,hizo fikra za nyerere are outdated!

 

[Quinty]

Dual Citizenship is very important now in our beloved Tanzania given the fact that we underdeveloped and that many of our knowledgable citizens are living overseas for green pastures. Now there are well developed and most of them already acquired another citizenship. Since we dont have dual citizenship these people cannot come back and invest here.....their homeland....and why is that...??? oath of allegiance...?? what is it in poor country like ourss... Its bullshit....
LEts allow dual citizenship for the benefit of our country and our people.
Thanks

 

[Mwana wa Mungu]

sipendi dual citizenship, hii ni mada inayoletwa na watu ambao waliisaliti/walisaliti uraia wa tz, sasa wanautamani tena. we don't trust you anymore, na hakutakuwa na hiyo dual citizenship, hapa siyo india bwana. kama wewe ni mtz, ni mtz, kama hauipendi tz, basi unapoteza uaminifu kwako kwa nchi yako nzuri kama hii. poleni lakini.

 

[Madenge]

Mkinga Mkinga

The law to allow Tanzanians to hold dual citizenship should finally be enacted by the end of the year, Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation minister Bernard Membe said yesterday.Speaking in Dar e s Salaam at an International Organisation for Migration (IOM) meeting, Mr Membe said research conducted on the proposal had established that the new law would not harm the country.

"The government is regretting locking out Tanzanians overseas during the 49 years of our Independence, while some African countries have been granting dual citizenship to their people," Mr Membe said.

Tanzanians living abroad will receive the news with jubilation, as they have for many years campaigned for the introduction of such a law to enable them to belong to both their host countries and their motherland.

Many have complained that lack of such a law disadvantages them, as it denies them opportunities they could access if they were citizens of the countries where they work.

Yesterday, Mr Membe explained that the issue had taken many years to conclude because the ministry did not wish to "rush such a sensitive issue". He added: "We decided to conduct a thorough research before introducing this law, which deals with the basic rights of a person."

The research had enabled the government to establish that dual citizenship "is not bad, as some people were trying to depict it".

The minister went on: "On the contrary, there will more benefits for the country and the individuals, if we to adopt the law to enable our fellow Tanzanians living abroad to market our country as well."

During the research, it had been found that Tanzanian experts working abroad had been contributing immensely to their host countries. Therefore, he said, the enacting of the law would enable them to also assist their motherland without any hitch.

Mr Membe said the ministry had already started to move to tap the great economic potential of the Tanzanians overseas.
After receiving the report, the ministry established a special department to deal with the affairs of those in the Diaspora.

"Everything regarding how to deal with the Tanzanians living abroad is almost ready. We need to fully utilise their skills and wealth to push forward our development agenda," he said.

The Dual Citizenship Act, the minister added, would give those abroad the right to adopt the citizenship of their host countries while maintaining their Tanzanian nationality.

Under the current law, a Tanzanian who adopts the citizenship of another country is automatically stripped of his nationality.

Minister Membe said they had directed all the country's embassies and high commissions overseas to register all Tanzanians to enable the government to have full information and data on the nationals living abroad.

Speaking to reporters at the meeting, which brought together experts from various ministries, embassies and some Tanzanian experts working in the UK, Mr Daniel Mwasandube, a quantity surveyor based in Britain, said many Tanzanians had opted to leave the country in search of better lives.

He said most of them "are very patriotic but lack of supportive laws", such the one granting dual citizenship, has blocked them from serving their country better.

"Many Tanzanians cannot land high paying jobs abroad, though they have the qualifications, simply because employers look for people who hold the passports of those countries," he said.

In preparation for the introduction of dual citizenship, the Law Reform Commission was tasked to conduct a national study and gather the public's views.

In 2006, the commission recommended amendments to the relevant laws so that Tanzanians can also enjoy dual citizenship.According to the 'Final Report on the Introduction of Dual Citizenship in Tanzania', the commission chaired by Judge Anthony Bahati, said the issue deserved "a positive and forwarding-looking consideration".

The commissioners said it was high time Tanzania adopted dual citizenship because in a globalised world, the country could not develop without interaction with other nations.

Dual citizenship, according to the commission, was desirable as it conferred benefits both to the country and nationals desiring to hold the citizenships of other countries.

"A person with dual citizenship has greater flexibility in his choice of where to live and/or work," reads part of the report.
But the members of the commission also recommended that national identity cards be issued first before adopting the system.

Once it becomes law, Tanzanians will no longer have to renounce their citizenship, and the same will apply to foreigners wishing to take up Tanzanian citizenship, if their countries of origin allow that.

Source: Sheikh Hassan Mbamba
MplusKconsultants
DENMARK
GLOBAL ADVANCE TANZANIAN NETWORK

 

[BAK]

Mhhh! let's wait and see because there are so many "Waheshimiwa" who are against this idea simply because "hawa wanataka kufaidi huko waliko na huku pia" "Wakimbizi hawa waliikimbia nchi basi hawastahili kabisa kupewa tena uraia." na "Uraia wa nchi mbili utaongeza ujambazi na ugaidi nchini."

 

[Kiranga]

Kuna mtu alikuwa amepata bonge la pande hapo ndani ya U.S Federal Reserve, wamemcheki resume yake ana kila kitu walichokuwa wanataka, jamaa akawa very optimistic kwamba anachukua mzigo.

Kitu kimoja tu kikagomba, kazi inataka high level security clearing ambazo hazitolewi kwa mtu yeyote asiye raia wa US, jamaa akabaki kusema ooh, lakini mimi permanent resident nimekaa hapa miaka kibao bila noma etc etc, wakamwambia mwanzo kabisa katika checklist yao kama si citizen wa US asijisumbue hata kujaribu ku apply.

Dual Citizenship bongo inavyolostisha watu.

 

[Tindikali]

...wamemcheki resume yake ...jamaa akabaki kusema ooh, lakini mimi permanent...wakamwambia mwanzo kabisa katika checklist yao kama si citizen wa US asijisumbue hata kujaribu ku apply.

Hayo mazungumzo na waajiri aliyafanya wakati gani, kwenye usaili au wakati wa kupeana "pande"?

Walifikaje kwenye kukubali wasifu wake wa kikazi kabla ya kupitia alivyojaza orodha ya vinavyohitajika?

Kama aliwaambia yeye ni "oooh, mimi permanent..." ina maana alikuwa mkweli kwenye maombi. Walifikaje huko mbele?

Usituletee tamthilia bunifu.

 

[BAK]

Kuna mtu alikuwa amepata bonge la pande hapo ndani ya U.S Federal Reserve, wamemcheki resume yake ana kila kitu walichokuwa wanataka, jamaa akawa very optimistic kwamba anachukua mzigo.

Kitu kimoja tu kikagomba, kazi inataka high level security clearing ambazo hazitolewi kwa mtu yeyote asiye raia wa US, jamaa akabaki kusema ooh, lakini mimi permanent resident nimekaa hapa miaka kibao bila noma etc etc, wakamwambia mwanzo kabisa katika checklist yao kama si citizen wa US asijisumbue hata kujaribu ku apply.

Dual Citizenship bongo inavyolostisha watu.

Ahsante sana Kiranga na hiyo ndiyo sababu kubwa ya Watanzania wengi wanaoishi nchi za nje hasa wasomi kuchukua uraia katika nchi hizo. Kama una elimu ya uhakika ya kukupatia kazi popote pale umeishi huko uliko miaka chungu nzima na labda ungependa kuwepo huko kwa miaka mingine mingi na unalipa kodi kama raia kwanini ujiwekee limitations ambazo zinaweza kabisa kukukosesha kazi nzuri sana na yenye ujira wa hali ya juu? Halafu sheria za uhamiaji zinaweza kubadilika wakati wowote ule na kuwaathithiri hata wale wenye permanent resident status sasa kwanini usiondokane na hali ya kuja kuadhirika na labda kutakiwa kulipa mapesa chungu nzima baadaye? Kwa mfano wanaweza kabisa kuamua wale wote ambao wameshaishi kwa miaka 10 au zaidi na hawakuchukua uraia ni lazima wawe wanalipa kiasi fulani kwa mwaka ili kumaintain status zao.

Miaka ya bajeti deficit hii kwa nchi nyingi na wanasiasa hawachoki kutafuta namna ya kuongeza makusanyo ya hazina ili kuzipunguza hizo budget deficit.

 

[ngoshwe]

Nadhani baada ya muda sana twaweza kuachana na haya mambo ya kunyimana fursa kupitia hoja za uraia.

Kuna watu wanapata benefits nyingi tu katika nchi zetu hata kama si raia.

Wamekuwa wakiishi kwa raha mukhstarehe kuliko wale walio raia kwa kuzaliwa au kuandikisha.

Wapo wathungu kibao kule Irak na Afghanstan wanajinafsi tu wakijiita "wapiganaji" na hawakuingia katika hizo nchi na hati yeyote ya kusafiria na wanakula utajiri wa hizo nchi kwa vigezo vya kuwaletea amani wazawa wa nchi hizo kwa misingi ya mifumo ya nchi zao (Ulaya na Marekani)..

 

[Yegomasika]

Kuna mtu alikuwa amepata bonge la pande hapo ndani ya U.S Federal Reserve, wamemcheki resume yake ana kila kitu walichokuwa wanataka, jamaa akawa very optimistic kwamba anachukua mzigo.

Kitu kimoja tu kikagomba, kazi inataka high level security clearing ambazo hazitolewi kwa mtu yeyote asiye raia wa US, jamaa akabaki kusema ooh, lakini mimi permanent resident nimekaa hapa miaka kibao bila noma etc etc, wakamwambia mwanzo kabisa katika checklist yao kama si citizen wa US asijisumbue hata kujaribu ku apply. Dual Citizeship bongo inavyolostisha watu

Hivi inakuwaje mtu unaishi miaka kibao hiyo na bado unang'ang'ania ganda la kijani hilo?. Kaa na Green card 5yrs, halafu chukua Nondo yao kabisa, life is where you make your living people~hiyo habari ya kunywa maji ya bendera inawakosesha mambo mazuri!.

 

[Kiranga]

Hayo mazungumzo na waajiri aliyafanya wakati gani, kwenye usaili au wakati wa kupeana "pande"?

Walifikaje kwenye kukubali wasifu wake wa kikazi kabla ya kupitia alivyojaza orodha ya vinavyohitajika?

Kama aliwaambia yeye ni "oooh, mimi permanent..." ina maana alikuwa mkweli kwenye maombi. Walifikaje huko mbele?

Usituletee tamthilia bunifu.

Kaa kimya hujui kitu wewe, between this guy and the dumb blondes at employment agencies representing the Federal Reserve (HR at Federal Reserve outsource the hunting) who knows what can be lost in translation.

Kama una kitu valid cha kubisha bisha lakini usituletee ushuzi wa ubishi usio mpango. Unabisha kwamba hakuna kazi zinazotaka top security clearance hapo Federal Reserve? Unabisha kwamba dumb blondes hawawezi kumess up the original declaration of requirements?

Ubishi kaa mshipa tu.

 

[S. S. Phares]

Waziri Membe kila mara anasema hivi hivi...miezi inakwenda, inachukua muda gani kufukisha muswada Bungeni?

 

[Tindikali]

Kaa kimya hujui kitu wewe, between this guy and the dumb blondes... bisha lakini usituletee ushuzi wa ubishi....Ubishi kaa mshipa tu.

Unawatupia lawama "dumb blondes" kwamba ndio walikosea, sio wewe?

Haahahahhaaaaahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..................

Usikasirike haraka, si wote tutakupa "thanks Kiranga......usipotee tena Kiranga...Kiranga tutafsirie hapa..."

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa............

Unataka kupeleka watu wazima skuli za "Federal Reserve" kwa ubunifu wa utenzi, tafadhali kaka.

 

[Jayfour_King]

libeneke la dual citizdenship for bongo

​

Waziri wa Mambo ya Nje na Ushirikiano wa Kimataifa
Mh. Bernard Membe

​

​

By Mkinga Mkinga
The law to allow Tanzanians to hold dual citizenship should finally be enacted by the end of the year, Foreign Affairs and International Co-operation minister Bernard Membe said yesterday.

Speaking in Dar e s Salaam at an International Organisation for Migration (IOM) meeting, Mr Membe said research conducted on the proposal had established that the new law would not harm the country.

"The government is regretting locking out Tanzanians overseas during the 49 years of our Independence, while some African countries have been granting dual citizenship to their people," Mr Membe said.

Tanzanians living abroad will receive the news with jubilation, as they have for many years campaigned for the introduction of such a law to enable them to belong to both their host countries and their motherland.

Many have complained that lack of such a law disadvantages them, as it denies them opportunities they could access if they were citizens of the countries where they work. Yesterday, Mr Membe explained that the issue had taken many years to conclude because the ministry did not wish to "rush such a sensitive issue".

He added: "We decided to conduct a thorough research before introducing this law, which deals with the basic rights of a person."

The research had enabled the government to establish that dual citizenship "is not bad, as some people were trying to depict it".

The minister went on: "On the contrary, there will more benefits for the country and the individuals, if we to adopt the law to enable our fellow Tanzanians living abroad to market our country as well."

During the research, it had been found that Tanzanian experts working abroad had been contributing immensely to their host countries. Therefore, he said, the enacting of the law would enable them to also assist their motherland without any hitch.

Mr Membe said the ministry had already started to move to tap the great economic potential of the Tanzanians overseas. After receiving the report, the ministry established a special department to deal with the affairs of those in the Diaspora.

"Everything regarding how to deal with the Tanzanians living abroad is almost ready. We need to fully utilise their skills and wealth to push forward our development agenda," he said.

The Dual Citizenship Act, the minister added, would give those abroad the right to adopt the citizenship of their host countries while maintaining their Tanzanian nationality. Under the current law, a Tanzanian who adopts the citizenship of another country is automatically stripped of his nationality.

Minister Membe said they had directed all the country's embassies and high commissions overseas to register all Tanzanians to enable the government to have full information and data on the nationals living abroad.

Speaking to reporters at the meeting, which brought together experts from various ministries, embassies and some Tanzanian experts working in the UK, Mr Daniel Mwasandube, a quantity surveyor based in Britain, said many Tanzanians had opted to leave the country in search of better lives.

He said most of them "are very patriotic but lack of supportive laws", such the one granting dual citizenship, has blocked them from serving their country better.

"Many Tanzanians cannot land high paying jobs abroad, though they have the qualifications, simply because employers look for people who hold the passports of those countries," he said.

In preparation for the introduction of dual citizenship, the Law Reform Commission was tasked to conduct a national study and gather the public's views.

In 2006, the commission recommended amendments to the relevant laws so that Tanzanians can also enjoy dual citizenship.

According to the 'Final Report on the Introduction of Dual Citizenship in Tanzania', the commission chaired by Judge Anthony Bahati, said the issue deserved "a positive and forwarding-looking consideration".

The commissioners said it was high time Tanzania adopted dual citizenship because in a globalised world, the country could not develop without interaction with other nations.

Dual citizenship, according to the commission, was desirable as it conferred benefits both to the country and nationals desiring to hold the citizenships of other countries.

"A person with dual citizenship has greater flexibility in his choice of where to live and/or work," reads part of the report.

But the members of the commission also recommended that national identity cards be issued first before adopting the system.

Once it becomes law, Tanzanians will no longer have to renounce their citizenship, and the same will apply to foreigners wishing to take up Tanzanian citizenship, if their countries of origin allow that.

Source: Sheikh Hassan Mbamba
www.mpluskconsultants.com
GLOBAL ADVANCE TANZANIAN NETWORK

 

[Masikini_Jeuri]

Waziri Membe kila mara anasema hivi hivi...miezi inakwenda, inachukua muda gani kufukisha muswada Bungeni?

Kama umeingia kichwani mwangu mie nilifikiri inatolewa bungeni hhi issue lakini kadri nilivyosoma nakutana na siasa ile ile! Arrgh!

 

[bona]

i thought we are close about this, we had these kind of threads in the past and the unanimous decision here at JF was we don need this kind of thing, we don want to have pipo with no identity, waswahili wanasema, asiye na asili ni mtumwa! walioenda ulaya walikimbia shida za nchi hii sasa nini watakacho tena uku, kama umaskini umeongezeka, kaeni uko tu na mkija muwe kama watalii wengine!

 

[Masanilo]

I consider myself as a citizen of the world!