Ngurdoto ,
Sijui unaongea kitu gani, Kama kweli JK na EL they don't have anything they share in common, why did he (JK) selected him to be the prime minister? That is the profound question you were supposed to ask yourself before instigating those childish tantrum. Your story does not pass the litmus test to make a long story short what you have proposed is absolutely absurd. Please if you don't have anything to contribute in this platform just keep quite instead of exposing your biasness. EL has nothing to do with this issue " Mnyonge mnyongeni haki yake mpeni".
..I know my facts B!!!
Ngurdoto ,
That is the profound question you were supposed to ask yourself before instigating those childish tantrum. Your story does not pass the litmus test to make a long story short what you have proposed is absolutely absurd. Please if you don't have anything to contribute in this platform just keep quite instead of exposing your biasness. EL has nothing to do with this issue " Mnyonge mnyongeni haki yake mpeni".
Why are you using derogative terms? I can't debate with a person who lacks classy..
Mkuu uliousema hapo ni uongo wa mchana, siku alipofariki alizikiwa kwa Makamba, kutokana na kuwa na nyumba ndogo sana ya serikali,
na besides, binamu yangu yaani mtoto wa dada wa baba yangu ameoa mtoto wake marehemu Mnauye, kwa hiyo believe me sibahatishi mkuu na ninayoyasema, mnaposema uongo kuhalalisha hoja zenu mumuogope Mungu kidogo, tena hasa mnapoongelea bina-adam aliyetangulia mbele ya haki kama marehemu Mnauye(RIP)!
Duh! talking about a mighty melt down!, yaani haiwezi ku-get lower than this.
Mkuu wangu with all due respect, hakuna nyumba Obey iliyouzwa kwa shillingi millioni 10, zote ziliuzwa kuaiza millioni 50, na juu, nyumba hazikuwekwa kwenye freemarket kwa sababu hapa bongo sio huko majuu mkuu, na pia sisi kwa ustaarabu wetu tuliamua kuwa tuwaenzi wananchi kwanza kwa kuwakopesha hela za benki na kukuza uchumi pia,
Sijui ulijuaje kuwa hakuiba, lakini kama aliweza kununua nyumba ya O'bay/ Masaki, basi asingeshindwa kujenga nyumba kubwa zaidi Gongo la Mboto, Tabata nk.
Uamuzi wa kuuza nyumba haukupitishwa na Bunge. Uamuzi huu haukushinizwa na IMF wala World bank bali ulikuwa ni sehemu ya mradi wa kuboresha utendaji wa serikali kuu uliofadhiliwa na DFiD
Mkuu wacha hizi, kwenye mkutano na wa-Tanzania kule hotelini Hermsley NY, akiwa anaaga Mkapa alisema kuwa uamuzi wa kuuza nyumba za serikali ulikuwa ni wake baada ya kushinikizwa na IMF na World Bank, ambapo pia alipata ushauri wa bunge, na akasema nasikia rais anayekuja ana mpango wa kuzirudisha, huku akimuangalia Muungwana, aliyekuwa kushoto kwake, akamalizia kuwa "... Namtakia Goodluck...", sasa mkuu hizi umezitoa wapi maana tunajua pia walishinikizwa na kuuza benki NBC?
Set fiscal and monetary targets that may continue to undercut public services, reduce
internal demand, aggravate unemployment, and handicap efforts to boost investment in
infrastructure and human development.
Impose cost-sharing (i.e. new fees for services) in schools, health care centers and hospitals,
which will continue to rob vulnerable communities of essential health and education
services. The U.S. Government is now bound by law to oppose loans involving cost-sharing
provisions. On October 25, 2000, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that requires the United
States Executive Directors at the IMF, the World Bank and the regional development banks
to oppose any loan that imposes user fees or service charges on poor people for primary
education and health care. The legislation was subsequently signed into law.
Further reduce import tariffs. Such tariff reductions often result in a flood of imports that
can undermine domestic industrial and agricultural producers.
Require capital account liberalization to attract foreign investment. However, speculative
transactions provide profits to foreign investors while offering few, if any, benefits to the
poor majority of Tanzania.
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Require privatization of public companies, which can increase unemployment, lower wages,
increase the cost of goods and services, and decrease access to poor populations. Require the privatization of agricultural enterprises. Already, privatization has increased the
prices of fertilizer and other inputs, and reduced access to credit. While large farmers and
private traders have benefited from liberalization and privatization, small farmers, who
constitute the majority of Tanzania's population, have not.
Waugwana tuangalie swala zima katika muono wa kisomi na sio wa kishabiki maandazi.
Wale wote mnasema kuuzwa kwa nyumba hizi ni sawa kutokana na operaring cost yake ni kubwa, naomba tutofautiane kwa hilo. Swala sio maintanance cost, swala ni mfumo tegemezi na ufujaji uliojengeka tangu Azimio la Arusha mpaka mfumo mzima wa soko huria ndani ya serikali. Kama tunasema serikali ime adopt mfumo wa soko huria, basi ni imani yetu mfumo umeadoptiwa kwa sheria na kanuni za mfumo.
Imagine safari tuliyonayo kuelekea kuwa nchi imara, jee itafikia muda mawaziri wanatakuwa wanatokea mbagala au kawe kwenda kazini? Jee wakuu wa polisi nao watakuwa wanatokea Kijichi kwenda central? Jee hatuoni kwamba in the long run sisi tulioshabikia nyumba ziuzwe ndio tutakuwa malooser? Kwa nini tumekuwa wakatili kiasi cha kuwaza Leo tuu, badala ya kuangalia vizazi vijavyo. Au Tanzania imekuwa kiwanda ambacho kiko kwenye maturity level, the best way is to sell all of its asset, so we can secure savage for tax purposes?
Na kama kweli Mh. Mkapa na washabiki wake waliona kuna umuhimu wa kuuza zile nyumba kutokana na cost, jee kwa nini nyumba hazikufuata sheria ya uzaji wa mali ya serikali. Au ndio mwenye kisu kikali hula nyama?
Tuacheni ushabiki usio na kichwa wala miguu, tusishadadie habari sababu uncle au shangazi yako ni mmoja wa wale walijiuzia nyumba ya serikali kwa bei nafuu. Tuangalie madhara yake in a long run, Jee hakuna siku kiongozi mwehu ataingia madarakani na kunationalize hizo nyumba zote? Na kama ikitokea jee mwisho wake utakuwa nini?
Hili swala linaweza kuwa domino effect, likatuchafulia hali ya uhuru na amani nchini kwetu.
CSRP implementation did not actually start until 1993, when the overall objective
was identified of achieving a smaller, affordable, well-compensated efficient and
effectively performing civil service. The programme was supported by several donors,
including IDA, UNDP, DFID (then ODA), SIDA, NORAD, FINNIDA, DANIDA,
USAID, EU, Switzerland and the Netherlands.
During this period, the CSRP focused on restructuring the overall machinery of
government, regaining control over the payroll and the size of the establishment,
recapturing the control of costs, retrenching surplus staff, and beginning the move
towards commercialisation, privatisation and agency creation.[/QUOTE]
CSRP ni Civil Service Reform Program iliyokuja itwa Publi Service Reform Program.
Na kwa wale wanaoona mkono wa IMF na World Bank kila mahali hata pale tunapoteleza wenyewe, hii hapa ni sehemu ya hiyo link niliyoiweka hapo juu:
CSRP implementation did not actually start until 1993, when the overall objective
was identified of achieving a smaller, affordable, well-compensated efficient and
effectively performing civil service. The programme was supported by several donors,
including IDA, UNDP, DFID (then ODA), SIDA, NORAD, FINNIDA, DANIDA,
USAID, EU, Switzerland and the Netherlands.
During this period, the CSRP focused on restructuring the overall machinery of
government, regaining control over the payroll and the size of the establishment,
recapturing the control of costs, retrenching surplus staff, and beginning the move
towards commercialisation, privatisation and agency creation.[/QUOTE]
CSRP ni Civil Service Reform Program iliyokuja itwa Publi Service Reform Program.
Fundi Mchundo:
Kwenye mjadala mmoja nilitumia neno Legacy za Ukoloni, na nikazua mjadala mkubwa sana kwa wananchi. Ukweli wa mambo hata nchi za kikomunisti nyumba zilikuwa zinajengwa na soko la nyumba na watu wanapanga au kununua nyumba. Hivyo kwenye eneo moja au apartment moja unaweza kukuta mganga, mwalimu wa shule, mwanasiasa n.k. Hivyo mshahara wa mtu unajumlisha matumizi ya pango na ni jukumu lake yeye kutafuta sehemu ya kuishi.
Sasa tukirudi kwenye mada, pamoja kwamba kisiasa tunaona wakoloni walipenda kuja kwetu kutunyonya, wengi waliofanya kazi serikalini hawakupenda kuja kuishi. Na hili kuwavutia ilibidi wajengewe nyumba na marupurupu mengine. Na tulipopata uhuru, tuliendeleza sera hizo kama sheria. Shirika la ndege lilijenga flat kwa wafanyakazi wake. Benki ilijenga flat kwa wafanyakazi wake. Lakini ukweli wa mambo hivi vitu havifanyiki duniani.
Ufanisi wa taasisi za serikali na za binafsi hauji kwa taasisi hizo kuchukua majukumu mengi. Ufanisi unakuja kwa taasisi hizo kushughulikiwa kile kilichopo kwenye agenda zao. Kama ni shirika la ndege basi taasisi hiyo ishughulikie biashara ya usafirisha watu na mizigo kwa kutumia ndege na sio nyumba ya meneja wake au mkurugenzi. Na kama ni shirika la umeme basi, shirika hilo lishughulikie umeme tu.
Ufisadi wa nyumba za serikali utaonekana kwa sababu kuna nyumba chache na wanaozitaka ni wengi. Ni nani achaguliwe kununua nyumba hizo? Tukitumia sheria za mnadani kuuza nyumba hizo ni kweli kuwa wakazi wengi wanaoishi katika nyumba hizo watapoteza makazi. Tukitumia sheria zinazoendelea sasa ni lazima kutakuwa na ufisadi fulani na manung'uniko. Labda tutumie hekima za Nabii Suleman alizotumia kuhukumu wanawake wawili waliokuwa wanagombea mtoto.
Na kwa wale wanaoona mkono wa IMF na World Bank kila mahali hata pale tunapoteleza wenyewe, hii hapa ni sehemu ya hiyo link niliyoiweka hapo juu:
Fundi Mchundo:
Kwenye mjadala mmoja nilitumia neno Legacy za Ukoloni, na nikazua mjadala mkubwa sana kwa wananchi. Ukweli wa mambo hata nchi za kikomunisti nyumba zilikuwa zinajengwa na soko la nyumba na watu wanapanga au kununua nyumba. Hivyo kwenye eneo moja au apartment moja unaweza kukuta mganga, mwalimu wa shule, mwanasiasa n.k. Hivyo mshahara wa mtu unajumlisha matumizi ya pango na ni jukumu lake yeye kutafuta sehemu ya kuishi.
Sasa tukirudi kwenye mada, pamoja kwamba kisiasa tunaona wakoloni walipenda kuja kwetu kutunyonya, wengi waliofanya kazi serikalini hawakupenda kuja kuishi. Na hili kuwavutia ilibidi wajengewe nyumba na marupurupu mengine. Na tulipopata uhuru, tuliendeleza sera hizo kama sheria. Shirika la ndege lilijenga flat kwa wafanyakazi wake. Benki ilijenga flat kwa wafanyakazi wake. Lakini ukweli wa mambo hivi vitu havifanyiki duniani.
Ufanisi wa taasisi za serikali na za binafsi hauji kwa taasisi hizo kuchukua majukumu mengi. Ufanisi unakuja kwa taasisi hizo kushughulikiwa kile kilichopo kwenye agenda zao. Kama ni shirika la ndege basi taasisi hiyo ishughulikie biashara ya usafirisha watu na mizigo kwa kutumia ndege na sio nyumba ya meneja wake au mkurugenzi. Na kama ni shirika la umeme basi, shirika hilo lishughulikie umeme tu.
Ufisadi wa nyumba za serikali utaonekana kwa sababu kuna nyumba chache na wanaozitaka ni wengi. Ni nani achaguliwe kununua nyumba hizo? Tukitumia sheria za mnadani kuuza nyumba hizo ni kweli kuwa wakazi wengi wanaoishi katika nyumba hizo watapoteza makazi. Tukitumia sheria zinazoendelea sasa ni lazima kutakuwa na ufisadi fulani na manung'uniko. Labda tutumie hekima za Nabii Suleman alizotumia kuhukumu wanawake wawili waliokuwa wanagombea mtoto.
Unanifanya nijisikie sifa kuwa fundi mchundo. Couldn't have said it better!
Natumaini kwa vile msomi mwenzao umesema, watakuelewa!
For the sake of argument let's say it was prudent and progressive for the government to shed the houses.
But why not put them on the open market? Or sell them at market price?
The fact that the houses were not on the open market, and not sold at market price is what raises the notion that there were some improprieties.