So far, you are talking about the same thing, you cant accuse Chadema of tribalism and not do the same to CCM. The same standards you are using have been used by somebody else to show that 30 of 38 CCM CC members are muslims.
You have to equally blame both parties (if this really matters) if you want to make a point. Otherwise, you are just presenting yourself as a party zealot who will bend rules and issues to score a point. Shame on you and all who try to instill religious and tribalistic feelings into our minds.
CCM and CUF shouldnt be considered as islamic parties the same way as TLP and CHADEMA shouldnt be considered as tribalistic parties.
POINTI HAPA NI KWAMBA HAIJALISHI KAMA NI ccm ama chadema....!
Hapa ni KAMA NI MFISADI AMA NI MZALENDO!
TUTAYAADAA MAJINA YOTE YA MAFISADI VS WALE WALIO FREE OF MTANDAO VIRUSES,PAMOJA NA WAPINZANI WA KWELI WENYE KUZINGATIA MASLAHI YA TAIFA KWANZA!
So far, you are talking about the same thing, you cant accuse Chadema of tribalism and not do the same to CCM. The same standards you are using have been used by somebody else to show that 30 of 38 CCM CC members are muslims.
You have to equally blame both parties (if this really matters) if you want to make a point. Otherwise, you are just presenting yourself as a party zealot who will bend rules and issues to score a point. Shame on you and all who try to instill religious and tribalistic feelings into our minds.
CCM and CUF shouldnt be considered as islamic parties the same way as TLP and CHADEMA shouldnt be considered as tribalistic parties.
Does it mean that only Muslims are the good and competent leaders in CCM?
Of course NOT.
It just happened that 30 out 38 CCM leaders are Muslim but this doesnt mean that only Muslims are capable of being good leaders in CCM. The same should be said of CUF, Chadema, etc.
Let us both look beyond tribes and religions when talking about our issues.
I am not advocating for CCM but it is very obvious that something fishy is going on in CHADEMA and if not corrected, we will see again what traspired in NCCR.
- First of all you are wrong with your numbers, only 24 are Muslims.
- CCM ZNZ contribute about 1/3 of the members who are Muslims
- therefore if you take the ZNZ members, the mainland distribution is almost 50% -50%. Can this be said about CHADEMA?
I am not advocating for CCM but it is very obvious that something fishy is going on in CHADEMA and if not corrected, we will see again what traspired in NCCR.
- First of all you are wrong with your numbers, only 24 are Muslims.
- CCM ZNZ contribute about 1/3 of the members who are Muslims
- therefore if you take the ZNZ members, the mainland distribution is almost 50% -50%. Can this be said about CHADEMA?
Your numbers are wrong for CCM and so is your conclussion. But the CHADEMA case seems to be to be factually right.
Asante jmushi1,
Watu tukianza kuongelea haya mambo ya ukabila na udini, tutaacha kabisa kufanya kazi pamoja. Inasikitisha kwamba kuna watu wakiona viongozi wa ccm wanaona waislam 30 kati ya viongozi 38. Inasikitisha pia kuwa wengine wakiona wabunge wa chadema, wanaona wabunge 5 wachaga kati ya wabunge 6 wa kuteuliwa.
Kama ulivyosema, sitashangaa kujua kuwa hizi hoja zinatumika kutoa watu kwenye mjadala muhimu. Nakumbuka Lowassa alisema kuwa anaonewa kwa vile yeye ni mtu wa Arusha kabla Mollel hajamuunga mkono. Haya ni makosa na kuna sababu kubwa kukataa hii migawanyo.
Udini udini udini naona mnasahau mafusho ,haya udini katika sehemu inalingana na wananchi wenyewe wa eneo ,mfano Mikoa ya ukanda wa bahari utakuta wengi ni Waisilamu na ukipanda kuelekea mikoani wengi wa huko ni wadini nyengine ,sasa viongozi wa kichama wataonekana wengi ni wa upande wa dini moja ,hivyo suala la kidini huwezi kulichanganya katika siasa ila mpaka pale itakapoonekana maamuzi ya Kitaifa kimaendeleo yanachagua kufanyiwa sehemu ambazo ni za dini ya aina moja ,kwa mfano lilipokuja suala la wanaopasi kuendelea na masomo ya juu wakati huo yakitumika majina ilionekana wazi wengi ya wanaopasi ni wakiristo japo mitihani inapoibiwa wanafunzi wote hawatengani katika kupeana hardcopy ,na baada ya majina kuondolewa na kuwekwa nambari ikawawia vigumu wasamaria kutenganisha , matokeo yake pasentaji ya waliopasi haikupigiwa makelele.
Na ndio hivyo hivyo sioni sababu ya dini kuwa na uzito ndani ya Chama fulani.
you still dont get it, do you? When are u gonna get over dividing lines? It doesnt matter if CCM leaders are all muslims to me. I would only ask to know if they are qualified for the job or not. It speaks large about you on how you pretend to be concerned of one evil over the other.
I agree with Mushi, but to me ukabila is even worse than Chenge's ufisadi, especially when let to bloom. I urge MJJ not use some wrong presentation on the alleged udini ndani ya CCM, to deflate the ukabila that has been reveiled in CHADEMA. Fight it and do not defend it, 'cos it is contageous.
Mwiba,
Vigezo vyote, iwe udini, ukabila, upemba na uunguja, au ukigoma na umusoma lazima viachwe kwenye maamuzi ya kila siku ya maendeleo. Huwezi kusema watu waache udini lakini wakaendelea na ukabila. Na huwezi kusema watu waache ukabila lakini wakaendelea na udini.
Tuache hizi dividing lines maana wakoloni wanataka kuzitumia ili watutawale tena.
Yes, it doesnt matter if those leaders were elected/apointed fairly. But if you are picked just because your father is the chief financier of the party or because your somebody's girlfriend, then we have a problem. This is exacatly what Wangwe is fighting for.
I agree with Mushi, but to me ukabila is even worse than Chenge's ufisadi, especially when let to bloom. I urge MJJ not use some wrong presentation on the alleged udini ndani ya CCM, to deflate the ukabila that has been reveiled in CHADEMA. Fight it and do not defend it, 'cos it is contageous.
Sijasema waache kimoja na wachukue kingine. Unachotaka wewe ni kuwa hata kama vipo basi watu wakae kimya. You are very wrong on that. Kuna ukabila ndani ya CHADEMA lazima tuumulike. That is the point.
Ni kweli hapa ndiyo mbaya zaidi kwani kama ukishakubali kuwa ccm ni MAFISADI...HALAFU TENA NI wadini haswa haswa waislam...Then ni sawa na kusema waislam ama wasukuma ama wamasai ni mafisadi!
Which it doesnt make any sense at all!
Hivyo dhambi ya UFISADI HAISAFISHIKI KWA DINI WALA KABILA...NI KWA SHERIA PEKE YAKE!
Ila MWAFRIKA BADO NASISITIZIA KUHUSU HIYO KAULI YAKO HAPO YA PROUD TO BE DARK SKINNED AFRICAN...Huko Darfur Sudan..Wale wakristo wenye NGOZI NYEUSI HASWA NDIO WANAOTENGWA NA KUHAMISHWA NA WALE WEUSI AMBAO WANAJIITA WAARABU!
TENA HATA BIN LADEN ALIKUWA ANAISHI HUKO!
Kwa hiyo...Bado nasimamia pointi yangu kuwa descriptions za color tones falls under the same scrutiny!