This is so embarassing

Nyarwadhnyarwath · Mar 19, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
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You got it all wrong. My emphasis is, people should make efforts to know how to speak formal English, as a language and not as a profession. So that they can be good in communicating with others in formal forums / platforms.

You are not trying to see the brighter side of this thread. The truth is right under your nose but you are turning a blind eye on it. Worst part of all is that," you are trying to demonise my good intentions". Calling English as a necessary evil in attaining other professions, that is so RIDICULOUS

There can never be good intention in demeaning your language and uplifting other people's culture through their language. When whites speak poor swahili, do we demean them? This is what is called being brain washed. I think education whether western or whatever should give you the ability to discern truth from lies and propaganda in an attempt to potray other cultures as superior/inferior to others. Unfortunately this is not true in your case.

Panzermeyer · Mar 19, 2016

Nyarwadhnyarwath said:
There can never be good intention in demeaning your language and uplifting other people's culture through their language. When whites speak poor swahili, do we demean them? This is what is called being brain washed. I think education whether western or whatever should give you the ability to discern truth from lies and propaganda in an attempt to potray other cultures as superior/inferior to others. Unfortunately this is not true in your case.

Developed countries have a big deal of economic benefits to offer to us than what we have to offer to them. We have a lot to gain from knowing their language, than what we have to lose. In comparison, they have so little to gain from knowing to speak swahili.

Remember, economic influence determines the superiority of your culture ( language )

jaiy4 · Mar 22, 2016

ishiveti said:
not relataed to the topic,,,our language Kiswahili is never a formal language

Formal language or informal language... Naomba kuelewesha hapa!! Kwa uelewa wangu kwenye lugha rasmi yoyote ina hivyo vitu viwili...

Panzermeyer · Mar 22, 2016

jaiy4 said:
Formal language or informal language... Naomba kuelewesha hapa!! Kwa uelewa wangu kwenye lugha rasmi yoyote ina hivyo vitu viwili...

Hakuna lugha rasmi yenye informal language. Ila lugha zote zina formal and informal languages

Nyarwadhnyarwath · Mar 22, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
Developed countries have a big deal of economic benefits to offer to us than what we have to offer to them. We have a lot to gain from knowing their language, than what we have to lose. In comparison, they have so little to gain from knowing to speak swahili.

Remember, economic influence determines the superiority of your culture ( language )

This is typical of a colonised mind. Recently, we had a high level state visit from Vietnam, a country that now prides itself of steady economic growth. To achieve this, did they abandon their language? Vietnam, China, Russia, Singapore are just a few examples of countries that put their language first and the rest is history. So, your arguement still lacks validity.

Panzermeyer · Mar 22, 2016

Nyarwadhnyarwath said:
This is typical of a colonised mind. Recently, we had a high level state visit from Vietnam, a country that now prides itself of steady economic growth. To achieve this, did they abandon their language? Vietnam, China, Russia, Singapore are just a few examples of countries that put their language first and the rest is history. So, your arguement still lacks validity.

You either stick to reality or dwell on your delusional thinking

Nyarwadhnyarwath · Mar 22, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
You either stick to reality or dwell on your delusional thinking

Your kind of reality is twisted based on your skewed thinking favoring your masters while leaving your mother land dying. You are no different from the corrupt who dont care what happens to the rest as long as their interests are taken care of.

Panzermeyer · Mar 22, 2016

Nyarwadhnyarwath said:
Your kind of reality is twisted based on your skewed thinking favoring your masters while leaving your mother land dying. You are no different from the corrupt who dont care what happens to the rest as long as their interests are taken care of.

You are the devil's advocate.

Nyarwadhnyarwath · Mar 23, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
You either stick to reality or dwell on your delusional thinking

I believe reality applies to all, but this your kind of reality that only applies to Tanzan

Panzermeyer said:
You are the devil's advocate.

Call me any name you want but i believe that is an indication of end of your points. I believe in my country being self reliant including not being an agent of western culture and i am not apologetic about that. In conclusion, your position that, good education means speaking good English is pathetic and shows the level of ignorance on your part as someone who claim to have been educated. pole sana.

Panzermeyer · Mar 23, 2016

Nyarwadhnyarwath said:
I believe reality applies to all, but this your kind of reality that only applies to Tanzan

Call me any name you want but i believe that is an indication of end of your points. I believe in my country being self reliant including not being an agent of western culture and i am not apologetic about that. In conclusion, your position that, good education means speaking good English is pathetic and shows the level of ignorance on your part as someone who claim to have been educated. pole sana.

To put it a nutshell, my key point is," knowing formal English is so useful to a scholar"

Nyarwadhnyarwath · Mar 23, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
To put it a nutshell, my key point is," knowing formal English is so useful to a scholar"

As much as it is important, you shouldnt say it is embarassing, unless umejipambanua kuwa mtaalamu wa lugha hiyo.

Panzermeyer · Mar 23, 2016

Nyarwadhnyarwath said:
As much as it is important, you shouldnt say it is embarassing, unless umejipambanua kuwa mtaalamu wa lugha hiyo.

It's embarrassing because people take it for granted

CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT · Mar 23, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
Morning everyone. Hope all is well with you

Naskitika sana kuona vijana wasomi wa vyuo vikuu hawawezi hata kujieleza au kuongea kiingereza kilichonyooka. Na hii inatoka na mtindo wa maisha ( life style) zao. Unakuta mtu anafatilia cheap materials mda wote. Yaani vipindi anavyofatilia au magazines anazosoma hazimjengi hata kidogo.

Matokeo yake sasa, akiandika status kama ni Facebook au WhatsApp yaani ni mvurugano tu wa tense na grammar. Wakati mwingine unashindwa hata kuelewa alikua anamaana gani.

Jamani maisha ni malengo na hayaishii kwenye kutaka kua na kazi nzuri tu, kua na uwezo wa kutunza familia nk, hapana. Msomi inabidi uwe na uwezo wa kuongea lugha nzuri ( formal language) ukipewa nafasi kama ni kwenye interview, kazini, chombo cha habari nk. Hauwezi fahamu lugha rasmi kama haufatilii vitu vya msingi kama, international news, reading newspapers, reading novels, watch documentaries nk. Ukiendelea kufatilia vi-drama series trust me, you will get no where with your career.

Na nnaomba nieleweke vzur, maisha sio vita. Simaanishi kua tuwe tunasoma habari mda wote, tuwe tunasoma magezeti mda wote hapana, namaanisha tuwe na mda wa entertainment, kufatilia izo drama, cartoons nk, lakini pia tuwe na mda wa kufatilia vitu vya msingi.

Bahati mbaya sana ni kwamba, entertainments in most cases zinatumia informal languages ambazo hazikujengi kujifunza formal language. Sasa informal language hauwez kuitumia kwenye mazingira maalumu. Kuna faida nyingi sana za kujua formal language. Mfano, itakusaidia kupata ufahamu wa mambo ya msingi ( it will increase your knowledge ) kwasababu informal language inatumika kwenye mambo ya msingi kama habari, magazetini, vipindi maalumu nk

Ukijua formal language, unaweza shangaa unapata kazi na kuwaacha hata wale wenye GPA kubwaaa nk. Unaweza pewa kazi ya kuandika report au chochote tu kwenye mazingira ya kazi alfu ukashangaa kutoka a na uhandishi wako mzuri ukapanda cheo, au ukapata faida flani ivi kutokana na utendaji wako mzuri wa kazi. Ukiwa masomi inabidi uwe na malengo ya kuweza kutetea usomi wako, kuidhihirishia jamii kua wewe ni mtu unayeishi kuendana na matukio yote na mabadiriko ya dunia.

In the end, we are what we feed ourselves with. Ukiwa mfatiliaji wa cheap materials basi eventually utakua na cheap ideas, lugha yako, unavhojieleza na mitazamo yako kwenye mambo mbali mbali itashuhudia yote ayo, na ukiwekwa na mtu anayefatilia mambo ya msingi, truth be told tofauti yenu itaonekana bira kipingamizi.

Nawatakia asubuhi njema

Mkuu unachanganya sana mambo, unachanganya kati ya English language performance na the right needed content. Mtu anaweza kuwa na uwezo wa kuzungumza lugha fasaha kwa muda mrefu lakini anachozungumzia kikawa hakina the rihgt needed content / relevant content.

Kinachozingatiwa sana katika ajira ni relevant content, English language performance is very minor issue ukizingatia na mazingira ya kazi ni yawaswahili.

Pia, naomba unitofautishie kati ya tense na grammar.

Vilevile, hujaeleweka unaposema "informal language inatumika kwenye mambo ya msingi kama habari, magazetini, vipindi maalum nk".

Panzermeyer · Mar 23, 2016

CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT said:
Mkuu unachanganya sana mambo, unachanganya kati ya English language performance na the right needed content. Mtu anaweza kuwa na uwezo wa kuzungumza lugha fasaha kwa muda mrefu lakini anachozungumzia kikawa hakina the rihgt needed content / relevant content.

Kinachozingatiwa sana katika ajira ni relevant content, English language performance is very minor issue ukizingatia na mazingira ya kazi ni yawaswahili.

Pia, naomba unitofautishie kati ya tense na grammar.

Vilevile, hujaeleweka unaposema "informal language inatumika kwenye mambo ya msingi kama habari, magazetini, vipindi maalum nk".

Suala la kua ofisi mbali mbali hawazingatii umuhimu wa kujua lugha rasmi ya kiingereza au hawaitumii, haibadirishi au haiondoi umuhimu wa kujua lugha hii.

Grammar ni mahusiano yanayokiwepo kati ya neno na neno katika sentensi ambayo yanakazi ya kuonyesha, maana ya maneno, matumizi ya maneno, matamshi ya maneno nk
Tense ni maneno ( vitendo ) vitumikavyo kuashiria nyakati. Mfano wakati uliopo, ujao au uliopita nk

Sasa hapo ilo swali la mwisho kwani hauoni kama ni kosa la uandishi au unauliza ukiwa na maana gani?

CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT · Mar 23, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
Suala la kua ofisi mbali mbali hawazingatii umuhimu wa kujua lugha rasmi ya kiingereza au hawaitumii, haibadirishi au haiondoi umuhimu wa kujua lugha hii.

Grammar ni mahusiano yanayokiwepo kati ya neno na neno katika sentensi ambayo yanakazi ya kuonyesha, maana ya maneno, matumizi ya maneno, matamshi ya maneno nk
Tense ni maneno ( vitendo ) vitumikavyo kuashiria nyakati. Mfano wakati uliopo, ujao au uliopita nk

Sasa hapo ilo swali la mwisho kwani hauoni kama ni kosa la uandishi au unauliza ukiwa na maana gani?

Sawa mkuu, laakini hapakuwa na haja ya kusema tense na grammar, sababu katika grammar unapata tense.

Panzermeyer · Mar 23, 2016

CONSTRUCTIVE THOUGHT said:
Sawa mkuu, laakini hapakuwa na haja ya kusema tense na grammar, sababu katika grammar unapata tense.

Sawa mkuu

structuralist · Mar 24, 2016

Mkuu umesema ukweli mtupu. Watanzania ni wazuri sana wakutafuta sababu za kuhalalisha kushindwa kwao katika kila jambo. Nadhani tukunali ukweli tu kuwa kunatatizo kubwa. Kinachonisikitisha ni pale watu(hata wale wanaoonekana kuwa ni wasomi) wanakataa kukubali uhalisia. Naamini miongoni mwa wanaopinga hii hoja wapo walimu. Binafsi nimekuwa ni kiumizwa sana na hii tabia. Unakuta mwalimu anafundisha kingereza(sekondari) lakini anafundisha kwa Kiswahili. Ukimuliza imekuwaje,anasema wanafunzi hawaelewi kingereza,ili hali yeye ndiye haelewi hivyo amaeshindwa kueleza hoja yake kwa kingereza kwakuwa kinamsumbua.

Kuna watu wanakuja na hoja nyepesi sana, "mbona hao wazungu wakiboronga Kiswahili hatuoni ni shida" huku nikufananisha binadamu na tuseme miti,(haviendani). Kwani hao wazungu wanatumia lugha ya Kiswahili kujifunzia na kufundishia? Je sisi kuanzia secondary hadi chuo kikuu tunatumia lugha gani rasmi ya kujifunzia? Je usaili ukifanyika maswali huwa yanakuwa katika lugha gani? Je barua, ripoti nyingi huw a zinawekwa kwenye lugha gani?

Kuna wale wanaosema ishu ni content na sio lugha,hii ni hoja ya kitoto. Yani unawezeje kuamua kuchukua content au lugha? Hapa sio swala la EITHER OR bali ni BOTH. Kwanini mtu usijikite kwenye zote mbili. Lugha ni nyenzo ya kuthibitisha juu ya content,sasa unawezaje kui-omit? Ukiwa na content nzuri na lugha mbovu,utapitaje kwenye msururu wa vikwazo vya usaili nk?

Tuache kuktaa ukweli. Hapa kuna shida na tujaribu kuikubali na kuitatua. Natamani sana kujua kingereza kwa ufasaha na najifunza kila wakati na hatakama na boronga wakati mwingi bado haihalalishi kuwa ni sawa tu kuwa na kingereza kibovu. Tuache kusoma vijarida na vimagazeti ambavyo havina tija(gossip tabloids) na badala yake tujenge tamaduni za kusoma magazeti na vitabu vyenye kuongeza uwezo wa kumuda lugha pamoja na maarifa.

Panzermeyer · Mar 24, 2016

structuralist said:
Mkuu umesema ukweli mtupu. Watanzania ni wazuri sana wakutafuta sababu za kuhalalisha kushindwa kwao katika kila jambo. Nadhani tukunali ukweli tu kuwa kunatatizo kubwa. Kinachonisikitisha ni pale watu(hata wale wanaoonekana kuwa ni wasomi) wanakataa kukubali uhalisia. Naamini miongoni mwa wanaopinga hii hoja wapo walimu. Binafsi nimekuwa ni kiumizwa sana na hii tabia. Unakuta mwalimu anafundisha kingereza(sekondari) lakini anafundisha kwa Kiswahili. Ukimuliza imekuwaje,anasema wanafunzi hawaelewi kingereza,ili hali yeye ndiye haelewi hivyo amaeshindwa kueleza hoja yake kwa kingereza kwakuwa kinamsumbua.

Kuna watu wanakuja na hoja nyepesi sana, "mbona hao wazungu wakiboronga Kiswahili hatuoni ni shida" huku nikufananisha binadamu na tuseme miti,(haviendani). Kwani hao wazungu wanatumia lugha ya Kiswahili kujifunzia na kufundishia? Je sisi kuanzia secondary hadi chuo kikuu tunatumia lugha gani rasmi ya kujifunzia? Je usaili ukifanyika maswali huwa yanakuwa katika lugha gani? Je barua, ripoti nyingi huw a zinawekwa kwenye lugha gani?

Kuna wale wanaosema ishu ni content na sio lugha,hii ni hoja ya kitoto. Yani unawezeje kuamua kuchukua content au lugha? Hapa sio swala la EITHER OR bali ni BOTH. Kwanini mtu usijikite kwenye zote mbili. Lugha ni nyenzo ya kuthibitisha juu ya content,sasa unawezaje kui-omit? Ukiwa na content nzuri na lugha mbovu,utapitaje kwenye msururu wa vikwazo vya usaili nk?

Tuache kuktaa ukweli. Hapa kuna shida na tujaribu kuikubali na kuitatua. Natamani sana kujua kingereza kwa ufasaha na najifunza kila wakati na hatakama na boronga wakati mwingi bado haihalalishi kuwa ni sawa tu kuwa na kingereza kibovu. Tuache kusoma vijarida na vimagazeti ambavyo havina tija(gossip tabloids) na badala yake tujenge tamaduni za kusoma magazeti na vitabu vyenye kuongeza uwezo wa kumuda lugha pamoja na maarifa.

Mkuu, nashukuru kuona kua na wewe umeliona ili tatizo. Pamoja sana

CHEKEA · Mar 24, 2016

Panzermeyer said:
Your ideas are throwback from a bygone era. We are living this moment and that is what the moment detects

Na usitumie speed za watu kama haujui zinaweza tumika wapi. Usipende kukariri bali uwe unaelewa. Nimezungumzia matumizi ya kiingereza kwenye mazingira maalumu. Sidhani hata uyo nyerere kama angekuepo hapa leo hii angelazimisha kutumia kiswahili sehemu kama izo. Na bty angekucheka kwa ukasuku wako

Kumbe bado mpo mnaojivunia kiinglish?

Panzermeyer · Mar 24, 2016

CHEKEA said:
Kumbe bado mpo mnaojivunia kiinglish?

We right here. The idea still endures as a timeless symbol of the usefulness of knowing the language. Knowledge is always not obsolete

This is so embarassing

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