The Atheists Paradox

The Atheists Paradox

PTER said:
Are ancient societies moral values identical with the current moral values?
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Lacking God, there is no right or wrong. You simply miss the point.
 
PTER said:
you also miss the point, 1. you did not answer my 8 questions 2 you answer is irrelevant to the question.
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I answered everything.

In short, there is no good or evil without God. Refute if you can.
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
Unaamini nina muda wa kuangalia ytube unazoweka ?
Pole sanaaa
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Watatokea ambao wana muda kuangalia na huenda wakanufaika. Hamna shida.

Unapobandika threads 5,10, 20 au 30 kwa siku unafikiri kila member wa JF ana muda wa kuzisoma?
 
Nonda said:
Watatokea ambao wana muda kuangalia na huenda wakanufaika. Hamna shida.

Unapobandika threads 5,10, 20 au 30 kwa siku unafikiri kila member wa JF ana muda wa kuzisoma?
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Nanukuu na kukujibu wewe mhusika. Ungekuwa unaangalia wewe hizo tubes then unachanganya na yako na kujibu hoja. Nikiangalia tubes za misukule ambao siwezi kuwajibu ni ujuha.
Jenga hoja hata ksma rejea yako ni tubes.
 
Ishmael said:
I answered everything.

In short, there is no good or evil without God. Refute if you can.
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Good and evil are merely human beliefs. Good and Evil are concepts which are based on human reasons. That is why we do not have universal definitions of those terms.
Your claim of saying that there is no good and evil without God ,it is begging the question.
Who is God then how sure are you that without the notion of God,we would not have moral beliefs which we have now.
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
Where did I wrote that ? God will give reward accordingly you are the one who condemn yourself with your ego not God
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Anyway it is your faith. i got a question for you
Does the existence or nonexistence f God affect your life.I mean either he exits or not which difference does it make in your life.
 
Ishmael said:
They are universally valid. In fact, moral values can not exist without God.
There is no such thing as a moral 'good' or 'right and wrong' to even 'live up to' unless God exists. There is no foundation in reality for any such thing - consistent with No God.
The only possible way a non theist can be moral is if the non theist is wrong about God.
You cannot have both 'no God' and 'moral truth or reality'.

Religion existed years before the birth of Jesus, in contrast, Christianity is not a religion.
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why are you claiming so?
 
descarte said:
Good and evil are merely human beliefs. Good and Evil are concepts which are based on human reasons. That is why we do not have universal definitions of those terms.
Your claim of saying that there is no good and evil without God ,it is begging the question.
Who is God then how sure are you that without the notion of God,we would not have moral beliefs which we have now.
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Define murder scientifically. Let us see who is in delusional.
 
Nonda said:
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[/FONT][/COLOR]Are you also addicted to Allah, Quran, Islam, muslims and Muhammad?
How many times per day do you think of and mention them?

The good news is that you are about to reverting to the right path. The path that Jesus followed; submitting to the will of Allah (God).
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The vise verse is correct.
 
Nonda said:




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Paradox Number 1. A. Islam is a religion of peace and B. Islam is a religion of war.

A. Islam is a religion of Peace

“Islam clearly prohibits all kinds and forms of aggression and violence against anyone, except in self-defense. Islam is a practical religion, meant to be implemented in every aspect of our life. Therefore, it realizes the fact that a person who commits aggression and violence against others will not cease these actions unless they are deterred by similar actions taken against them.” (Source)



A couple of verses are listed to support this statement:"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, and do not transgress; for Allah loveth not transgressors." (2:190).


"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)." (8:61).



Later the writer quotes 2:256 declaring that no one is compelled to submit to Islam.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever ejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." (2: 256).


“The holy Qur'an reminds us that there must not be compulsion in religion. It states that the truth stands out clear from error, and that those who reject error and believe in God are the saved ones.


“This means that Muslims are not allowed to force people to convert to Islam. Muslims should only seek to make the truth clear to others, and talk to them about Islam, then let them decide for themselves.” (Source)



These claims are very interesting and it seems to declare Islam to be a religion of peace. If this were really the truth about Islam there would not have been the terrible slaughter of people who refused to embrace Islam. More on this below.

B. Islam is a religion of WAR

M.A. KHAN WAS interviewed by Jamie Glazov on FrontpageMag. Tuesday, March 03, 2009Khan was asked about his journey out of Islam. Islamic wars were a crucial issue for him.


Khan: I liberated myself from Islam after studying some of the canonical Islamic texts. But I couldn’t stop; my curiosity grew further. Over the past few years, I have done extensive research on Islamic theology, as well as history: from Prophet Muhammad to modern times. The more I read, the more I became shocked. It has been a harrowing tale of inhuman brutality of innocent people: forced conversion, brutal imperialism and devastating slavery. It’s a saga of great human tragedy and all these were perpetrated by Muslim invaders and rulers over the centuries in the name of Islamic holy war or Jihad, the foundational creed of Islam. This tragic tale is the subject of my new book.


I assert: “Violent Jihad is the heart of Islam; without it, Islam would, most likely, have died a natural death in the seventh century itself” (p. 79).


“I also demonstrate that Allah’s doctrine for Jihad entails three cardinal commands:

1) Forced conversion of non-Muslims, especially of idolaters (Hindus, Buddhists, Animists etc.),

2) Imperial expansion for the establishment of global Islamic rule, which involves humiliating subjugation of dhimmi subjects and their mindless exploitation, and

3) Slavery.” (Exposing Islam from the Inside Out By: Jamie GlazovFrontPageMagazine.com | Tuesday, March 03, 2009; M. A. Khan, author of the new book Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery;source)



I wonder how many Muslim readers are aware of the wars of Islam and the wars of Mohammed. Would it make any difference to a Muslim if the truth was shown that Mohammed is responsible for wars against the Jews, wars against the Arabians, and wars against humanity?
 
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descarte said:
Anyway it is your faith. i got a question for you
Does the existence or nonexistence f God affect your life.I mean either he exits or not which difference does it make in your life.
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The Question is irrelevant to me. God exists whether I accept or do not accept this fact.
If I had to live as though God does not exists the only thing would have been avoid terms and conditions put forward by God as guidance for life and interaction in this world.
I would have created my own liberal comfort zone apart from that of God which have boundaries...
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
The Question is irrelevant to me. God exists whether I accept or do not accept this fact.
If I had to live as though God does not exists the only thing would have been avoid terms and conditions put forward by God as guidance for life and interaction in this world.
I would have created my own liberal comfort zone apart from that of God which have boundaries...
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which terms and conditions put forward by God as a guidance?
 
descarte said:
which terms and conditions put forward by God as a guidance?
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God have set boundaries that have to be observed by human being and also there is pro and con's for human to relate with God. Those are the terms and conditions that have to be observed.
Go through the bible you will observe those terms and conditions, well elaborated by Jesus Christ...
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
God have set boundaries that have to be observed by human being and also there is pro and con's for human to relate with God. Those are the terms and conditions that have to be observed.
Go through the bible you will observe those terms and conditions, well elaborated by Jesus Christ...
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You are in mystical stage as Compte categorised European history, you better be in a positive stage.
 
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