The Atheists Paradox

[Ishmael]

you mean that God is limited cuz he cannot create sth heavy which he cannot move therefore is not omnipotent

It seems you don't not the meaning of Omnipotent. You need to go to school you man.

 

[descarte]

It seems you don't not the meaning of Omnipotent. You need to go to school you man.

omnipotent means god is all powerful. Can you give another meaning of omnipotent apart from that one please.

 

[Ishmael]

omnipotent means god is all powerful. Can you give another meaning of omnipotent apart from that one please.

Now, how can an Omnipotent and Omniscient God fails to do what you asked?

 

[Ishmael]

Mungu anajaribiwa?

Wapi Yesu anasema "Mimi Mungu"?

Notice Allah refers to himself as "Khayrul-Makereen" which correctly translated means "Allah is the greatest of all deceivers." This is verified by looking up the root letters (Meem, Kaaf, and Rah) in an Arabic Dictionary such as Al-Mawrid:

If one still doubts the meaning of the term, consider Abu Bakr’s testimony to the deceptive character of Allah taken from the "Successors of the Messenger" by Khalid Muhammad Khalid, p. 70:

For those of you who don’t read Arabic Abu Bakr, though promised paradise by Allah and his apostle, while weeping says, "By Allah! I would not feel safe from the deception (same Arabic word) of Allah, even if I had one foot in paradise."The testimony of Abu Bakr is consistent with the Quran which tells Muslims that they should not feel secure against the Makr or deception of Allah.

"Are they then secure from Allah's scheme (Makr)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's scheme (Makr) save folk that perish." S. 7:99 Pickthall​

The word translated "scheme" by Pickthall is the same Arabic word (Meem, Kaaf, Rah orMakr) which the dictionary tells us means deception. The Arabic of Surah 7:99 is given below.

Abu Bakr being a true believer in Islam could not feel safe from Allah’s deception (Makr) even though he was promised paradise by Allah and his apostle Muhammad!

 

[descarte]

Now, how can an Omnipotent and Omniscient God fails to do what you asked?

Can God create something so heavy which he cannot move?
If the answer is yes, then god is not all powerful because he can create something which he cannot move.
If the answer is no, then god is not all powerful cuz he cannot create something which he cannot move

 

[Ishmael]

Can God create something so heavy which he cannot move?
If the answer is yes, then god is not all powerful because he can create something which he cannot move.
If the answer is no, then god is not all powerful cuz he cannot create something which he cannot move

Your answers are irrelevant

 

[descarte]

Your answers are irrelevant

How, can you explain how my answers are irrelevant !!please

 

[Ishmael]

How, can explain you how my answers are irrelevant !!please

Just read your own question and compare with your answers. :juggle:

 

[descarte]

Just read your own question and compare with your answers. :juggle:

do you mean you cannot explain how is it irrelevant.
That argument is logical argument so you can dispute if you can. It is not irrelevant young man. It seem it is tough for you to dispute

 

[Ishmael]

do you mean you cannot explain how is it irrelevant.
That argument is logical argument so you can dispute if you can. It is not irrelevant young man. It seem it is tough for you to dispute

Your answers are irrelevant to your argument/question.

 

[descarte]

Your answers are irrelevant to your argument/question.

show, explain how?

 

[Ishmael]

show, explain how?

Your own answer.

 

[Kwedu Kwazu]

Amma kwa hakika macho unayo lakini hayaoni, masikio unayo lakini hayasikii, una maradhi kwenye moyo wako.

Mamie, mbona na wewe ni kipofu

 

[descarte]

Your own answer.

You do not have point young man. saying "your answer" you have not said anything about my inquiry. It is just nonsense phrase.

 

[Ishmael]

You do not have point young man. saying "your answer" you have not said anything about my inquiry. It is just nonsense phrase.

You avoid the substance of my arguments every single time.

Unless you can demonstrate that God has no morally sufficient reasons to permit suffering and free-willed evil, then you have no evidence whatsoever.

 

[descarte]

You avoid the substance of my arguments every single time.

Unless you can demonstrate that God has no morally sufficient reasons to permit suffering and free-willed evil, then you have no evidence whatsoever.

I explain that to you and your logic was just wrong cuz you based on wrong premises. I do not want to go back to that you go through my claims slowly then you will get something.

 

[Kwedu Kwazu]

Allah kwa uwezo wake atakuongoa na utakuja jutia upotoshaji unaoufanya.

Hivi ngoja nikuulize swali. Allah alisha wai kukutende amuujiza wowote ule tokea uzaliwe?

 

[Ishmael]

I explain that to you and your logic was just wrong cuz you based on wrong premises. I do not want to go back to that you go through my claims slowly then you will get something.

How is moral issue a wrong "premises"? If non theism is true, then the universe is one without ultimate moral meaning, significance, and accountability. When you die, you rot. When everyone you love dies,they rot. Two hundred years hence, no one -not even your own descendants- will remember you. And a few billion years from now, when the universe undergoes heat death and all the stars burn out, none of your choices will have made even the slightest difference.

 

[Ishmael]

Moral motivation/issues. If non theism is true, then none of our moral choices have any eternal significance, in contrast, if Christianity is true, then all of our moral choices have tremendous, eternal significance. So, paradoxically, the Christian gains the motivation to act morally by reflecting on reality (as he perceives it) while the non theist gains the motivation to act morally only by ignoring reality (as he perceives it).

 

[descarte]

Moral motivation/issues. If non theism is true, then none of our moral choices have any eternal significance, in contrast, if Christianity is true, then all of our moral choices have tremendous, eternal significance. So, paradoxically, the Christian gains the motivation to act morally by reflecting on reality (as he perceives it) while the non theist gains the motivation to act morally only by ignoring reality (as he perceives it).

do you mean that without God we could have morality today?