Should Tanzania welcome South Sudan (another CoW) into the EAC?

[Yule-Msee]

Boss, Great Britain still runs 80% of your economy. I am trying to search for this book i read ili nikuwekee link hapa ukakisome mwenyewe online. The author is a Tanzanian world bank economist aliyesomea LSE. The book has all you need to know.

Bila evidence your allegations remain just that

 

[Iconoclastes]

Dont bother. We will not read that book you are recommending for us, msemakweli.
It's no doubt that the views of its author are grounded on socialism; a very retrogressive ideology of the past, long abandoned by even its most ardent advocates. Why? It was a total failure- no country ever achieved prosperity, social equality and justice,management efficiency...all those characteristics of a utopian state socialism guaranteed to offer.

Do the British influence our politics and policies as well? Are they the only foreign players in our economy? Do not the locals play any role in the running of the country's economy?
I hate the insular manner socialists like yourself view this whole issue of foreign investments. It doesnt belong to the 21st Century.

 

[msemakweli]

Dont bother. We will not read that book you are recommending for us, msemakweli.
It's no doubt that the views of its author are grounded on socialism; a very retrogressive ideology of the past, long abandoned by even its most ardent advocates. Why? It was a total failure- no country ever achieved prosperity, social equality and justice,management efficiency...all those characteristics of a utopian state socialism guaranteed to offer.

Do the British influence our politics and policies as well? Are they the only foreign players in our economy? Do not the locals play any role in the running of the country's economy?
I hate the insular manner socialists like yourself view this whole issue of foreign investments. It doesnt belong to the 21st Century.

Hapo kwenye bold. Do i even need to address that?
The guy is not a socialist; quite the opposite in fact. His book was addressed to Tanzanian parliamentarians, and its central theme was why Tanzania should abandon the EAC while there's still time. Western countries (read Britain) have traditionally arm-twisted Kenya and used it to access the entire EAC market.
He says that trade liberalization defeats the core purpose of forming the EAC: to have a common market for local businesses!

 

[UncleBen]

It wouldn't really matter. They are clowns.

Damn I hope there are no Sudanese on Jamii forum

 

[UncleBen]

I don't have a problem if any African country wants to join us ..my problem is on what basis they wanna join us ,couple of years back EU became a burden to the countries that formed the coalition .....
Under what common cause they wana join us that must be well understood

 

[Quickly]

My personal opinion is that EAC is the second most unhelpful regional bloc(after the CEMAC countries). On many levels i.e security,economic integration,geopolitics....witness our inability to forge a common front against terrorist groups.....or inability to confront crises such as s sudan and burundi.....squabbling over trade issues(this happens all over admitedly) that are of the most basic nature.....oh boy

 

[UncleBen]

Exactly, being part of EAC is an act of treason.!! We live in a democratic world and we should have put the decision to a vote, but it's the same old story. I can't believe that in this day and age, we still trust a handful of corrupt ------ to decide on our behalf. What mugs we all are.!!

Do you real think Africans are democratic ?? Correct me if I'm wrong ....what happened to Burundi couple of month's back ?? or what happened to Kenya in 2008 ?? And what is about to happen to Tanzania after Oct 25 ?? ,those filthy bastards of which we call them leaders will always make decisions for us we just hope its a better one

 

[MK254]

We can work with EA countries but not be part of this political mess we find ourselves in. We have one chance, people get out of the failed corrupt project and lets trade with the world.

Maziku Masunga Jr. But you've always been out of EAC, we have already moved on and adapted to living without you guys. The current generation is faced by too many economical challenges, we don't have time to waste dragging you with us.

It's up to you decide whatever is of importance to you, you guys are already a baggage considering you've your own confusion with Zanzibar, besides, your people have never been readied for globalization and that makes you introverts and quite cumbersome to associate with anyone.

 

[Kobello]

Maziku Masunga Jr. But you've always been out of EAC, we have already moved on and adapted to living without you guys. The current generation is faced by too many economical challenges, we don't have time to waste dragging you with us.

It's up to you decide whatever is of importance to you, you guys are already a baggage considering you've your own confusion with Zanzibar, besides, your people have never been readied for globalization and that makes you introverts and quite cumbersome to associate with anyone.

Living without us huh? ....

Not true, we are trading and interacting under the terms that we both agreed upon.
Not under the so-called EAC terms that even you guys don't adhere to...

Like,that sugar thing and the pipeline thing (know I'm saying?).....

 

[MK254]

Living without us huh? ....

Not true, we are trading and interacting under the terms that we both agreed upon.
Not under the so-called EAC terms that even you guys don't adhere to...

Like,that sugar thing and the pipeline thing (know I'm saying?).....

That's what am talking about, we are trading all over left-right and doing our stuffs without having to wait for your so called committee meetings. You guys still waiting for directives from Dodoma, and that was holding us. We moved on, made decisions quick..... The world today can only be led by leaders with ability to think fast...fast and accurate.

You guys have also stubbornly adapted to our way getting things done and we have noted you've gone into bilaterals. Which is a good thing.

Our country right now has deadlines to meet, we have vision 2030 to accomplish, milestones have been completed and within time, some even ahead of time....only way to get things done.

 

[born again pagan]

We should rethink the membership of Rwanda and Burundi.

Especially Rwanda.isnt possible to cease its membership? They are sturbon by nature

 

[mchambawima1]

Especially Rwanda.isnt possible to cease its membership? They are sturbon by nature

the so called stubborn are actually heroes! never tolerate nonsense no matter how big is the enemy... they removed Dictators like Habyarimana and Mobutu who enslaved their own people for decades, rescued millions of their fellow Rwandans from the hands of jMali's (Interahamwe) and they are now enjoying good life in Rwanda...
here we go... Rwanda!



in DRC

 

[Iconoclastes]

Hapo kwenye bold. Do i even need to address that?
The guy is not a socialist; quite the opposite in fact. His book was addressed to Tanzanian parliamentarians, and its central theme was why Tanzania should abandon the EAC while there's still time. Western countries (read Britain) have traditionally arm-twisted Kenya and used it to access the entire EAC market.
He says that trade liberalization defeats the core purpose of forming the EAC: to have a common market for local businesses!

What do u mean by ''owning'' our economy? How? Do u mind explaining that?
That absurd argument was very prevalent among the socialists of the years gone past, who were decidedly opposed to capitalism. To them, foreign investments meant milking the host country dry of its resources, while leaving the citizens of that country poor and exploited. The proceeds are instead used to develop the foreigners' countries.

It is surprising that that notion still endures in this decade.

 

[Iconoclastes]

mchambawima1
Do not worry. Tanzania doesnt enjoy any veto powers in the EAC. Whatever Uganda and Kenya (esp Kenya) decides stands, regardless of Tanzania's opinion.

 

[Guest from Wazua]

My take: South Sudan is clearly another CoW appendage. I think for the sake of EAC stability, we need to add another heavyweight into the mix, so as to create three centers of power (Tanzania, Kenya and Ethiopia). Three is always a number of stability. I propose that Tanzania push for the inclusion of Ethiopia in the EAC.

I total agree with you on that as long as we are going to have the free movement of goods and people(read labour),I was reading an analysis of the EU and I'm abit hesitant about the monetary and political unification of EAC

 

[Guest from Wazua]

My personal opinion is that EAC is the second most unhelpful regional bloc(after the CEMAC countries). On many levels i.e security,economic integration,geopolitics....witness our inability to forge a common front against terrorist groups.....or inability to confront crises such as s sudan and burundi.....squabbling over trade issues(this happens all over admitedly) that are of the most basic nature.....oh boy

depends from where you are seated from, From where I'm sitting , EAC is very helpful and can be more helpful once we eliminate a few barriers

 

[Guest from Wazua]

Boss, Great Britain still runs 80% of your economy. I am trying to search for this book i read ili nikuwekee link hapa ukakisome mwenyewe online. The author is a Tanzanian world bank economist aliyesomea LSE. The book has all you need to know.

msemakweliI expect you IQ to be in triple digits and not single digits or do I need to manage my expectations?

 

[msemakweli]

I total agree with you on that as long as we are going to have the free movement of goods and people(read labour),I was reading an analysis of the EU and I'm abit hesitant about the monetary and political unification of EAC

We just need to address certain legit fears. For instance, it is possible to grant the right to free movement of people but deny certain rights such as land ownership, permanent residence, participation in local politics and employment in the local government service. I believe fears of certain member states will be well addressed!

 

[NairobiWalker]

Boss, Great Britain still runs 80% of your economy. I am trying to search for this book i read ili nikuwekee link hapa ukakisome mwenyewe online. The author is a Tanzanian world bank economist aliyesomea LSE. The book has all you need to know.

You haven't responded my question about who owns Tanzania.

 

[Iconoclastes]

You haven't responded my question about who owns Tanzania.

He wont answer that. He's skillfully sidestepped my earlier queries abuot how the Brits own the Kenyan economy. He doesnt realize that even his own country's economy, and that of much of Africa is being driven the same way as Kenya's.

This guy doesnt understand how a Free Market operates. Just arguing for the sake of it, making an ass of himself.
msemakweli isnt a truthful person.