Same signs, events and evidences but different presupporsitions

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i trust you are all doing great.

What normally lead us into presumptions and make us conclude things differently regardless of being looking at the same elements?

lets share this story:


About a century ago the pope decided that all Jews should leave Rome.
But seeing the uproar in the Jews community and wanting to appear conciliatory he came up with a novel idea. He would have a debate with any member of the Jewish community they choose. If that person won the debate then the Jews could stay.
But if the pope won, the Jews would have to leave.
With all the educated high powered Jews shying away from confronting this Christian Goliath, the community eventually turned to an old janitor , named Moishe.

Very concerned about his speaking abilities, however Moishe agreed to the debate on the condition that the event would proceed in total silence.
Incredibly the pope agreed.

As the big day arrived , Moishe and the big pope sat down opposite each other.
For a full minute, they stared at each other in motionless silence.
At last, the pope raised his hand and showed three fingers.
Moishe looked back at him and raised one finger.

The pope then waved his finger in a circle around his head.
Moishe vigorously pointed to the ground where he sat.
The pope then pulled out a wafer ( the communion bread) and a glass of wine and set them on the table.Moishe pulled out an apple and placed it down in front of him.
At this development the pope stood up and said, “I give up this man is too good. The Jews can stay.”

After the meeting the cardinals gathered around the pope, asking what happened.
The pope said: “First I raised up three fingers to represent the trinity.
He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still one God,
common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground, showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and the wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins.
He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. What could I do?”

Meanwhile the Jewish community had crowded around Moishe,
amazed that this old, uneducated janitor could do what all their scholars had insisted was impossible.
”What happened?” they asked him.

“Well,” said Moishe,
“First he raised three fingers to tell me that the Jews had three days to get out of Rome.
I lifted one finger to tell him that not one of us was leaving.
Then waving his hand around his head, he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews.
I pointed my finger to the ground to let him know that we were staying right there


“And then?”
asked a woman. “I don’t know” said Moishe.
“He took out his lunch and i took mine.”

The moral of the story
We might all be looking at the same events, the same signs, the same evidences.
But these events, signs and Evidences are all silent, they do not speak.

And the interpretation we bring to them often arises from our own personal presuppositions.
 
In my scrutiny,this fable poses irreconcilable paradox if we ask,

"Which one of those two seemingly quite distinct presuppositions is correct?"
[Moshe or Pope interpretation]

Since both presuppositions are subjective then we've no logical basis to prefer one's presuppositon over other

Hence they are equally correct

But if they were equally correct they wouldn't be distinct
[Paradox surfaces]
 
hello members!

i trust you are all doing great.

What normally lead us into presumptions and make us conclude things differently regardless of being looking at the same elements?

lets share this story:


About a century ago the pope decided that all Jews should leave Rome.
But seeing the uproar in the Jews community and wanting to appear conciliatory he came up with a novel idea. He would have a debate with any member of the Jewish community they choose. If that person won the debate then the Jews could stay.
But if the pope won, the Jews would have to leave.
With all the educated high powered Jews shying away from confronting this Christian Goliath, the community eventually turned to an old janitor , named Moishe.

Very concerned about his speaking abilities, however Moishe agreed to the debate on the condition that the event would proceed in total silence.
Incredibly the pope agreed.

As the big day arrived , Moishe and the big pope sat down opposite each other.
For a full minute, they stared at each other in motionless silence.
At last, the pope raised his hand and showed three fingers.
Moishe looked back at him and raised one finger.

The pope then waved his finger in a circle around his head.
Moishe vigorously pointed to the ground where he sat.
The pope then pulled out a wafer ( the communion bread) and a glass of wine and set them on the table.Moishe pulled out an apple and placed it down in front of him.
At this development the pope stood up and said, “I give up this man is too good. The Jews can stay.”

After the meeting the cardinals gathered around the pope, asking what happened.
The pope said: “First I raised up three fingers to represent the trinity.
He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still one God,
common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground, showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and the wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins.
He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. What could I do?”

Meanwhile the Jewish community had crowded around Moishe,
amazed that this old, uneducated janitor could do what all their scholars had insisted was impossible.
”What happened?” they asked him.

“Well,” said Moishe,
“First he raised three fingers to tell me that the Jews had three days to get out of Rome.
I lifted one finger to tell him that not one of us was leaving.
Then waving his hand around his head, he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews.
I pointed my finger to the ground to let him know that we were staying right there


“And then?”
asked a woman. “I don’t know” said Moishe.
“He took out his lunch and i took mine.”

The moral of the story
We might all be looking at the same events, the same signs, the same evidences.
But these events, signs and Evidences are all silent, they do not speak.

And the interpretation we bring to them often arises from our own personal presuppositions.
Oooh my gosh! Pope take it easy n think outside the box, it's not about your trinity all the time. The poor Jewish was just responding to whatever you were doing. Haya sasa Jews go nowhere kwasababu ya your presuppositions
hello members!

i trust you are all doing great.

What normally lead us into presumptions and make us conclude things differently regardless of being looking at the same elements?

lets share this story:


About a century ago the pope decided that all Jews should leave Rome.
But seeing the uproar in the Jews community and wanting to appear conciliatory he came up with a novel idea. He would have a debate with any member of the Jewish community they choose. If that person won the debate then the Jews could stay.
But if the pope won, the Jews would have to leave.
With all the educated high powered Jews shying away from confronting this Christian Goliath, the community eventually turned to an old janitor , named Moishe.

Very concerned about his speaking abilities, however Moishe agreed to the debate on the condition that the event would proceed in total silence.
Incredibly the pope agreed.

As the big day arrived , Moishe and the big pope sat down opposite each other.
For a full minute, they stared at each other in motionless silence.
At last, the pope raised his hand and showed three fingers.
Moishe looked back at him and raised one finger.

The pope then waved his finger in a circle around his head.
Moishe vigorously pointed to the ground where he sat.
The pope then pulled out a wafer ( the communion bread) and a glass of wine and set them on the table.Moishe pulled out an apple and placed it down in front of him.
At this development the pope stood up and said, “I give up this man is too good. The Jews can stay.”

After the meeting the cardinals gathered around the pope, asking what happened.
The pope said: “First I raised up three fingers to represent the trinity.
He responded by holding up one finger to remind me that there is still one God,
common to both our religions. Then I waved my finger around my head to show him that God was all around us. He responded by pointing to the ground, showing that God was also right here with us. I pulled out the wine and the wafer to show that God absolves us from our sins.
He pulled out an apple to remind me of original sin. What could I do?”

Meanwhile the Jewish community had crowded around Moishe,
amazed that this old, uneducated janitor could do what all their scholars had insisted was impossible.
”What happened?” they asked him.

“Well,” said Moishe,
“First he raised three fingers to tell me that the Jews had three days to get out of Rome.
I lifted one finger to tell him that not one of us was leaving.
Then waving his hand around his head, he told me that this whole city would be cleared of Jews.
I pointed my finger to the ground to let him know that we were staying right there


“And then?”
asked a woman. “I don’t know” said Moishe.
“He took out his lunch and i took mine.”

The moral of the story
We might all be looking at the same events, the same signs, the same evidences.
But these events, signs and Evidences are all silent, they do not speak.

And the interpretation we bring to them often arises from our own personal presuppositions.
 
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