Reasons why Jubilee Changed mind on BVR Kits

[Sammuel999]

Meanwhile

GHOST VOTERS ARE REAL

 

[Sammuel999]

I fully support Next weeks Protest This governmet should play Fair

If not Hawata pata an easy time for the next 7months

 

[Sammuel999]

2m fake Voters

Halafu Bado wanataka Manual Voting hehe

 

[MK254]

If the events on that article are true, then Jubilee might have panicked. They have sensed defeat, especially if NASA do their calculations well and fronts a formidable team with an appropriate presidential candidate.

But personally, myself as Uhuru supporter, I'd urge them to be ready to lose gracefully without plunging the country into any form of madness. If we win and manage to get Uhuru back on power well and good, if we lose, simply play the opposition politics and allow NASA to take the country further. I normally don't understand why all this madness of clinging to power with all kind of scheming.

However, on this issue of having a backup during voting and relay of transmission, both sides are just being insincere. Personally as a systems engineer, I can say with conviction that we are not ready for full automation, and can't be ready even within a year. Must be understood IEBC is not into telecommunication business. Simply because we run Mpesa platform countrywide doesn't mean all systems are set. There are so many technical things that can go wrong, a simple example can be derived from the way we struggle to get KNEC results once they have been released.

A congestion caused by transmissions happening all over the country can be very hard to manage. I participated in a similar research during the periods leading to 2013 election and we documented everything. In fact we built a complete prototype for elections management system with all possible features.

Also not forgetting possible sabotage by the losing team, a simple DOS attack can render the whole architecture useless.

 

[KeMzalendo]

Kenya is in a catch 22 position. The electronic voting system will fail. Even if its 0.5%. Then what happens. All of us have at one time or the other experienced electronic system malfunction. So the question is, what next.
Perhaps as a country we should consider postponing the elections. Get a new voter register that all participants will agree to.
Otherwise these propaganda is what led us to pev in 2007. I remember cops were lynched in homabay coz they were said to be pnu moles.
Unfortunately the media instead of informing has already taken sides. The likes of moha and Dennis.
This could well be a powder keg waiting for the lightbox that is baba to utter some statement like - no transparency no election

 

[KeMzalendo]

Ory okollo is trying to imply that the voter register created in 2013 has 2million dead voters. Like seriously.
If the deceased dad is indeed in that register created using biometric data then as a country we are messed up big tym.

 

[KeMzalendo]

And Dennis is also lying. The bvr is basically for voter identification. After you are verified as a legit voter. You proceed to the voting booth. You are handed the voting papers. You select your desired candidate and slip the paper in the ballot box.
The results in each poling station are then sent electronically to the national tallying center for presidential vote. To the county talking center for gov and senate and the other positions.
What happens when the results can't be sent coz of poor network. That is what the bill is about.
Also what happens if for some reason the bvr kit does not work. Overheating, low charge, breakage etc. It implies that the voters ib affected polling station will be disenfranchised. What do we as a people do?

 

[IAfrika]

BVR, EVID and Results Transmission is now the universal standard used in many countries during elections, its nothing new or complex. 75m Nigerian voters have used it without a hitch, 11m Ghanaians have used it successfully, it is a norm, piece of cake in South Africa and in Asia 900m Indians used it with confidence. Their is no reason for not embracing technology and it working seemlessly. We don't even have another corruption riddled tendering process, we just borrow the deficit from Ghana or Nigeria the same way Rwanda borrowed our election equipment and it worked there well!

 

[IAfrika]

CAK has said it can provide support for for transmission of results to the end of the earth, this is Kenya. If one machine breaks you replace it with another back up machine that is working. If one machine can work all can work.

 

[ChamaDola]

If the events on that article are true, then Jubilee might have panicked. They have sensed defeat, especially if NASA do their calculations well and fronts a formidable team with an appropriate presidential candidate.

But personally, myself as Uhuru supporter, I'd urge them to be ready to lose gracefully without plunging the country into any form of madness. If we win and manage to get Uhuru back on power well and good, if we lose, simply play the opposition politics and allow NASA to take the country further. I normally don't understand why all this madness of clinging to power with all kind of scheming.

However, on this issue of having a backup during voting and relay of transmission, both sides are just being insincere. Personally as a systems engineer, I can say with conviction that we are not ready for full automation, and can't be ready even within a year. Must be understood IEBC is not into telecommunication business. Simply because we run Mpesa platform countrywide doesn't mean all systems are set. There are so many technical things that can go wrong, a simple example can be derived from the way we struggle to get KNEC results once they have been released.

A congestion caused by transmissions happening all over the country can be very hard to manage. I participated in a similar research during the periods leading to 2013 election and we documented everything. In fact we built a complete prototype for elections management system with all possible features.

Also not forgetting possible sabotage by the losing team, a simple DOS attack can render the whole architecture useless.

NASA=?

 

[jtundu]

Sisi uku yalitulia pesa buree mwsho wa siku wa pili akawa wa1 so kuweni makini tu ndugu zetu

 

[MK254]

I will need to see complete case studies of the countries that claims to have used BVR kits without a hitch. That's technically not possible. Biometric is a good solution, but can't be 100% without issues.

There are many possible instances officers can encounter challenges such as false rejection of voters by biometric system which can be occasioned by dirty hands, scars on fingers, skin diseases and ageing, or even template swapping which can be done maliciously to disenfranchise voters in a particular area.

 

[waltham]

I will need to see complete case studies of the countries that claims to have used BVR kits without a hitch. That's technically not possible. Biometric is a good solution, but can't be 100% without issues.

There are many possible instances officers can encounter challenges such as false rejection of voters by biometric system which can be occasioned by dirty hands, scars on fingers, skin diseases and ageing, or even template swapping which can be done maliciously to disenfranchise voters in a particular area.

usienda mbali bwana chambua by-elections za juzi kajiado na kuingineko walitumia satellite kama njia hakiki sehemu hakuna network coverage, Jubilee ni usanii wa kuogomba kushindwa na huku mwanya wa manual ambayo ndio njia ya wizi wameshiriki kuifunga!! nunua mashine sawa kutoka nchi kama germany na kwingineko. wananunua china na kuakikisha wamepata low quality readers like in 2013!

kwa sasa siungi mkono upande wowote. upande wa pili maandamano kabla koti na rais kutia sahihi kwa sheria is premature! lakini wakisubiri rais kwanza maandamano ni sawa na naye uhuru aamuru wanaoandamana wapewe ulinzi. Na wao wanaoyaandaa maandamano wakikishe hakuna upotovu wa nidhani na wizi!!!

 

[Sammuel999]

BVR, EVID and Results Transmission is now the universal standard used in many countries during elections, its nothing new or complex. 75m Nigerian voters have used it without a hitch, 11m Ghanaians have used it successfully, it is a norm, piece of cake in South Africa and in Asia 900m Indians used it with confidence. Their is no reason for not embracing technology and it working seemlessly. We don't even have another corruption riddled tendering process, we just borrow the deficit from Ghana or Nigeria the same way Rwanda borrowed our election equipment and it worked there well!

Ndio am wondering

How is it applicable in Cape verde an island

In Ghana
In nigeria Hata morocco but some how ikijakenya ikatae na IEBC is Given much more money than any other Electoral commision in Africa aiiii

I dont buy it!!

 

[Sammuel999]

BVR, EVID and Results Transmission is now the universal standard used in many countries during elections, its nothing new or complex. 75m Nigerian voters have used it without a hitch, 11m Ghanaians have used it successfully, it is a norm, piece of cake in South Africa and in Asia 900m Indians used it with confidence. Their is no reason for not embracing technology and it working seemlessly. We don't even have another corruption riddled tendering process, we just borrow the deficit from Ghana or Nigeria the same way Rwanda borrowed our election equipment and it worked there well!

Btw even the Newly appOInted

IEBC commisioners Think the ammendment Made by Parliament Majority is Not Fair ...na wame appointiwa less than a month ago

 

[Sammuel999]

usienda mbali bwana chambua by-elections za juzi kajiado na kuingineko walitumia satellite kama njia hakiki sehemu hakuna network coverage, Jubilee ni usanii wa kuogomba kushindwa na huku mwanya wa manual ambayo ndio njia ya wizi wameshiriki kuifunga!! nunua mashine sawa kutoka nchi kama germany na kwingineko. wananunua china na kuakikisha wamepata low quality readers like in 2013!

kwa sasa siungi mkono upande wowote. upande wa pili maandamano kabla koti na rais kutia sahihi kwa sheria is premature! lakini wakisubiri rais kwanza maandamano ni sawa na naye uhuru aamuru wanaoandamana wapewe ulinzi. Na wao wanaoyaandaa maandamano wakikishe hakuna upotovu wa nidhani na wizi!!!

We all know Rais atatia sign


Anaweza sign the Bill into law on August 3rd 2017 iliahakikishe Protest ni indifferent

Let there be protest so that Credit agencies can Rate Kenya Negatively so that Jubilee can sit and Discuss the issue na The Church na Opposition

 

[KeMzalendo]

http://www.ec.gov.gh/medias/press-release/61-decisions-from-december-2015-ipac-meeting.html.

IAfrika, I agree with your thoughts. But you know this country well. How much more investment will be needed. Remember most polling stations are schools which before jubilee admin did not even have power connection. Baragoi and such like areas can't still be accessed via telecoms. As Kenyans we are being assumptive.
The other mis- information is on the by elections. As outgoing chair of iebc once said. The general election is essentially 6 elections on one day. The task ahead is not easy as we are made to believe.
We may need to ask ourselves what happened in 2013. Why did electronic voting fail and what are we going to do in 2017 to ensure it doesn't fail.
The discussion need to be done in the absence of chest thumping, or with thoughts of which side will win. The nation needs to win and not the politicians.

 

[IAfrika]

usienda mbali bwana chambua by-elections za juzi kajiado na kuingineko walitumia satellite kama njia hakiki sehemu hakuna network coverage, Jubilee ni usanii wa kuogomba kushindwa na huku mwanya wa manual ambayo ndio njia ya wizi wameshiriki kuifunga!! nunua mashine sawa kutoka nchi kama germany na kwingineko. wananunua china na kuakikisha wamepata low quality readers like in 2013!

kwa sasa siungi mkono upande wowote. upande wa pili maandamano kabla koti na rais kutia sahihi kwa sheria is premature! lakini wakisubiri rais kwanza maandamano ni sawa na naye uhuru aamuru wanaoandamana wapewe ulinzi. Na wao wanaoyaandaa maandamano wakikishe hakuna upotovu wa nidhani na wizi!!!

Turkana Senator that was supposed to provide the swing vote has said he is voting for the amendments.

Technology is not the only thing that was eliminated from that election, they also changed the number of voters per polling station from 500 to 700. Take the number of minutes for voting in a day divide it by the number of voters and then consider the fact that you will have 6 ballots to cast. Someone is trying to crowd the polling stations so that the exercise does not end early for quick tallying and stress free for the voter. If we are worried about technology we should not congest stations so that their is time for fixing any bugs. Certainly someone wants to do some mischief here.

Elections in Kenya require confidence building and enhancing the transparency not taking it away.

 

[Tim Choice]

Kenya bado MAPAMBANO!

 

[Tim Choice]

Why can't this shitty country borrow a leaf from GHANA?
The day Kenya will start conducting free and fair elections that's when all election violence will end, what is so hard in winning or being defeated with honesty?
Seems like honesty and straightforwardness aren't a virtue there!