Ni lini Wanyarwanda wataadhimisha mauaji ya Wahutu?

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Mkuu MUKAMASIMBA

Rejea kichwa cha mada hapo chini, hivi ni kweli maujae yale ya Kimbari yamekuwa ni mauaji ya WATUSI na sio tena ya WANYARWANDA? Vipi kuhusu WAHUTU walio uwawawakati huo? Vipi kuhusu waliochanganya damu walio kuw ana wazazi wawili kwa maana ya WAHUTU NA WATUSI ?

The Commemoration of 20th of the 1994 Genocide of Tutsi in Rwanda

Today is 7th April. On this day, we join millions of Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda at home and beyond, to commemorate the 20th Anniversary of the genocide against the Tutsi, perpetrated by the former genocidal regime of the late Habyarimana, the ex-FAR and its allied Interahamwe militias. We especially salute the survivors of this genocide, accepted as one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century.

Today is not just the start of the Genocide Week; it is also a week to remember and to reflect on the gruesome nature of the crimes committed against totally innocent people. This week also marks two and half months Journey of the Kwibuka (Remembrance) Flame, that has toured over 10,169 square miles across the land of 1000 hills, to symbolise a "Torch" of a Bright Future of Unity and National Reconciliation, that has been ushered throughout Rwanda following many years of some of the most brutal and gruesome atrocities committed by man against fellow man that the world has ever witnessed.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, the 7th of April, is the start of an Extraordinary Annual Week during which we all gather together to commemorate and to give respect to our dear brethren and kinsmen and women, who perished in episodes of grotesque inhumanity meted out sometimes for no greater a reason than the physical appearance of the victims. We shall always remember and show our respect to the estimated one million innocent Tutsis who were brutally slaughtered en mass in 1994. The numerous Memorial sites that litter the country, like The Kigali Genocide Memorial Centre in Gisozi, where over 250,000 innocent souls were laid to rest, are living and indelible proof and permanent reminders of the extent of inhumanity that man can inflict on fellow man if the ideology and policy of ethnic hatred, bigotry, prejudice and intolerance is allowed to prevail as a means of attaining political objectives.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, it is hard to find any suitable word to describe, the 100-days of death, violence and destruction that descended on our people in 1994. From 7th April to 18th July 1994, over 1,000,050 Tutsi were murdered. 700.000 women were raped or infected with HIV, 500,000 were widowed, as were 300,000 orphans and 45,000 children were fathered as result of rape, while hundreds of thousands of fellow Rwandan were left permanently disabled or traumatised. The genocide (slaughter) lasted 100 days - in homes, villages, inside churches, hospitals, schools and on manned road blocks throughout the country. Using mass media such as radios and news print to propagate their agenda of ethnic hatred, the leaders of the genocide induced large numbers of soldiers, militias and villagers into a feeling of mass hysteria where horrific killings, even of neighbours and friends became possible. This has in turn created its own legacy in implementing the reconciliation and re-integration process because in many cases the victims personally know their attackers.

This is why, in the month of April of each year, all Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, assemble in different genocide memorial sites and in churches to observe the Seven Days of Commemoration of the 1994 Genocide against Tutsi.

It is also a week that is directed to re-dedicate our resolve to stand firm on our feet, and shoulder to shoulder to console and to offer our unwavering solidarity and support to the survivors of the 1994 Genocide.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, although genocide against the Tutsi was eventually stopped, and politics of hate and ethnic ideology dismantled, we are deeply saddened that crimes against humanity and, especially genocide are still being perpetrated in many countries in the world. Events in Africa and elsewhere in the world are just sad reminders of the brutal world we live in. We therefore take this occasion of the Remembrance of the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi to appeal to you, Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, to offer your unreserved prayers to the people of C.A.R, Syria, Libya, Mali and other countries that experiencing the horrifying experiences that we the people of Rwanda passed through.

We believe that the absence of effective collective response from the international community in relation to the Rwandan Genocide against the Tutsi and as well as the absence of an effective enforcement machinery to put on trial perpetrators of genocide may have emboldened the perpetrators of these terrible events to think that they too would enjoy immunity and secondly that the international community would just stand aside and watch while thousands of innocent civilians are massacred. That is why we think the international community should learn a lesson from the Rwandan Genocide against the Tutsi by erecting an effective investigatory, prosecutory and enforcement capability and capacity so that perpetrators of genocide are made to understand that they will not enjoy any immunity from punishment for their violent conduct.

To this extent, many foreign countries including France have started to bring to justice those responsible for these crimes. We hope this should serve as clear warning, that no stone will be left unturned until the last genocidaires is brought to justice. The Nazi Concentration Camp Guard, John Demjanjuk, the man who was nicknamed "Ivan the Terrible", was one of the Nazi fugitives responsible for the Holocaust against Jews, and was brought to justice in his 90s. There is no doubt and it is our implacable hope that those responsible for the 1994 Genocide against the Tutsi will have no safe haven or hiding place anywhere in the world and the entire international community will join hands together in renewed efforts to apprehend them and to bring them to justice.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, today, my party the Rwanda People's Party / Ishyaka Ry'Abaturage and I personally wish to reiterate this; to the survivors of victims of genocide against the Tutsi, your relatives, friends and neighbours didn't die in vain. We will always remember and honour their resilience and harrowing experience, for millions of years to come. Although they are gone in flesh, they live with us in spirit, and will do so forever, as their lasting unique and extraordinary legacy will continue to prevail in our minds and deeds for ever and ever. They became our serialised morning and evening prayers, we observe their presence every time we wake up, we feel their touch during our daily activities and we remember their moment of sorrows and tears before we go to bed.



These are our heroes we are celebrating today. It is their blood that has led us this far. Their blood has made us realize the importance of brotherhood; the importance of not allowing a few of us with deviant values to lead us astray. Wherever they are, I want to let them know that though the perpetrators of the genocide thought they win by killing you, they did not. Actually, they lost the war to you, as you showed them that you were not cowards. May your souls Rest in Peace.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, this is a special massage to those terrified women and children fathered as a result of rape and to millions of Rwandan who were permanently disabled or traumatised as a result of the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi. Let us re-assure you about this that: in our life time, we have never been under more pressure than that we endured
on our long, painful journey but were also the most jubilant, joyful and ecstatic when our painful journey led us back to our Promised Land on 1st October 1990. We have never experienced enormous pressure and frustrations than that we went through, 24/7 working hard days and nights, going through sleepless nights and with harrowing tears and sorrows, without food and water, but vividly well focused, and determined to end the suffering of our people.


Henceforth, Rwandan are the legitimate stake holders of this beautiful country of ours. Therefore history will judge us on wrong side of the road, and as an ultimately failures, if we ever, ever dare to forget the suffering, tears and horrifying experiences that our country and our people have gone through during Rwanda's recent dark history. Rwanda belongs to you, and you belong to Rwanda, there can never be a Rwanda without Rwandan people nor Rwandan people without Rwanda. Thus, we remain committed to protect our land and all of our people, whether living inside or outside Rwanda.

Those who cowardly predict a new genocide against the people of Rwanda, to you we say you are clearly mistaken and seriously underestimate our resolve never to allow genocide to revisit our country again. Our resolve is "Never, Never Again". Genocide is now firmly part of our history; it lives with us only so that we can learn lessons from it. It is therefore the duty of any Rwandan to ensure that we steer our country in a direction that will enable us to keep this resolve, for we need no foreigners to preach to us how to manage and govern our country for today and for the indeterminate future.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, on this Extraordinary week to mark the 20th Anniversary of the Genocide against the Tutsi, I would like also to take this opportunity to register our Special Attribute to the resilient Rwandan women, those dearest mothers, wives, grandmothers, sisters, and daughters, many of whom were victims of sexual violence. Many of your bodies were ripped apart as result of gang rape, many of your dreams were shattered; you have borne the additional burden of seeing your husbands, children, family members etc., murdered in front of you and many of you were left to fight with HIV and AIDS and to raise children of rape, without having any ready-made explanations to the community or your own children who their real fathers really are.

Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, there are others amongst us whose brevity was outstanding during the genocide. Though they were hacked with machete, tortured raped, and some mutilated, they have still found a reason to live to witness this day. They have not allowed the circumstances they went through during the genocide define their lives. They have shown that they are worth more than the miseries they go through. Though what you went through is hurting and to some the memories are still fresh, I want to let you know that you are our brave heroes too. I pray that the God who has given you courage, confidence, and a reason to continue living will enable you even more. You will forever remain in our history books as some of the bravest Rwandans who survived the experience.

I have every respect for these heroic women who have been victims of sexual violence but who again are subjected to ostracism, discrimination and prejudice because of their HIV status or AIDS condition. Some of you women have gathered the courage to live openly with the illness, and to challenge those sections of society that discriminate against you. By forgiving and allowing the re-integration of the perpetrators back into the community, sometimes living near them as neighbours, those who have inflicted so much harm and suffering on you in the first instance, you demonstrate indomitable courage in the face of adversity. By conquering fear, prejudice and rejection, you have given a more poignant meaning to the word "HOPE". In your self-sacrifice, humility and lack of bitterness, you have made Rwanda a proud nation, a towering beacon of hope and aspiration for all those around the world living under the throes of human brutality or are recovering from the spiritual as well as human darkness that was imposed on them by tyrannical regimes or actors.

The most important lesson to draw from your resilience and strength, which the entire world can learn from is this that;

"It doesn't matter how deep you fall, what matters is how high you bounce back." (anon)

Therefore in conclusion, Fellow Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda, the saying above by an unknown preacher applies equally or even more to us as a people and as a nation. It is not the fact that we were brought down to our knees by killers and monsters that is important, the fact that we got up (or should get up) is the most important. Armed with this inspiration, Rwanda surely now has a solid foundation for unity and national reconciliation on which we can build a new Rwanda for all Rwandan.

I am proud to note that Rwanda as a nation and a people have shown positivity in how they rose after the 1994 fall.

Thank you. God bless you all.



John V KARURANGA, President
Rwanda People's Party / Ishyaka Ry'Abaturage
Facebook: Rwanda Peoples Party
www.rwandapeopleparty.org
Email: rppimvura@yahoo.com
Skype: John.Karuranga
Twitter@rppimvura

 

[Baba_Enock]

Walio uliwa wanajulikana kama "moderate Hutus" ambayo wana-qualify kuwa"Tutsi"

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

The RPP Celebrates the 20th Anniversary of the Rwanda Liberation

4th of July 1994 marked the end of the Rwandan Genocide and the birth of the new Rwanda that rose from the realm of ashes. Rwandans suffered terribly during the War of Liberation from a-35 year of captivity, destitution and stateless. A cruel government began a campaign of genocide against the Rwandan Tutsi. One million Rwandans died in one of the bloodiest genocides in human history.


Today, we join millions all over the world to celebrate our 20th year of peace and the increasing success that has been the result. This is virtually an unbelievable achievement in light of the forces that aligned to prevent it.


On behalf of our party, the RPP, we celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the Liberation of Rwanda.


Fellow Rwandan, we would like to take a moment to honour the men and women who sacrificed their lives for the Rwanda that we are all proud of today. We bow our heads in memory of the dreadful genocide of 1 million Tutsi 20 years ago. We will always remember you and honour you for generations to come.


In the shadow of this disaster, looms the on-going struggle to liberate the country politically, economically and socially and it remains the ultimate responsibility of every Rwandan, regardless of the military liberation on this day in 1994.


Our 20th year of celebrating still finds over 114,000 refugees living abroad, including King Kigeli V Ndahindurwa. We call upon the government to use this celebration to ensure the immediate and unrestricted return of His Majesty the King of Rwanda, currently living in destitution in the US and allow a peaceful return of all Rwandan refugees.


Fellow Rwandan, we are experiencing aggravations from rogue DRC soldiers crossing the border to Rwanda to rape women and claim property. The threat from the DRC has increased in recent times. There have been regular provocations by DRC soldiers over the past ten months on the Rwandan border. During these 16 DRC soldiers were captured yet were returned by Rwanda's government. On the 11th of June this year DRC soldiers invaded the sovereign territory of Rwanda. Five DRC soldiers were killed in this invasion.


Twenty years after the Liberation, Rwanda is under threat. The government has been weak in its response to the DRC attacks. President Kagame and his RPF government has failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Rwanda from the DRC army. Rwandans once more are living in fear because of the FARDC. We believe that Rwanda has the right to defend its people and territory. This is unacceptable. If the RPF government has no intention on protecting its Rwandan people from threats, then the RPF has no validation to continue governing our country and people.


Today, we can assure all Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda that the RPP as a party has the capacity, to defend lives and properties of Rwandan people, at whatever cost. We will never allow our people to be subjected to terrorist attacks or threats from any country.


In 2011, the RPP issued the "Rwanda Road Map to Peace" calling for direct peace talks with the current government, to work together to bring a lasting peace to future Rwanda. Unfortunately, our plea has continued to be ignored by the RPF regime to this day. We wish to replicate our call for direct peace talks with the government, to ensure a peaceful Rwanda.


We intend on establishing a modern, harmonious Rwanda which co-exists peacefully with its neighbours and the rest of humanity. We respect international borders and our neighbours' rights but are determined to protect Rwanda's people. The RPP calls on all residing Rwandans and those abroad, which care for this beautiful country, to join in the fulfilment of this vision and goal.


Fellow Rwandan, we believe that eras for war no longer have a place in modern African politics. Africa is undertaking to social, political and economic development; enhanced education and health care systems; job creation and the application of modern technology for our future, and we believe that the petition that the RPP proposed in 2011 is the only available opportunity that can help to heal the scars caused by ethic hate ideology, political bankruptcy, wars and genocide that has swept Rwanda for the past 54 years.


We call on the DRC to stop staging attacks on the people of Rwanda and end its incursions into Rwandan sovereign territory.


We invite the RPF government, to use the opportunity of this celebration, to engage in political discussions with opposition, to create a favourable environment that would encourage Rwandan refugees to return home and release all convicts that have served their sentence. We are all aware of the gravest crimes committed, by these people, however, as a nation and people, we must make a crucial decision, a decision, that requires exercising our restraint, not to allow our past tragedies to govern or corrupt our moral values and counteractive judgement.




Once, again, On behalf of the RPP, we join millions of Rwandan and Friends of Rwanda to celebrate the 20th Anniversary of the Liberation of Rwanda. Let us move forward as a nation and a people that can live together in harmony.




May the Almighty God bless you.



John V Karuranga, President
Rwanda People's Party
Rwanda People's Party
e-rppimvura@yahoo.com

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Walio uliwa wanajulikana kama "moderate Hutus" ambayo wana-qualify kuwa"Tutsi"

Manawabatiza au? vipi yale makabila mengine hawakuuliwa?

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

KIBANGA Ampiga Mkoloni


HUyu ndiye atakuja kuwa Mrithi wa KAGAME? Mnajiandaa kurudi kwenye Ufalme au ?

 

[Komeo]

Kagame ataweweseka sana. Damu ya Mtu huwa haipotei bure. Yeye ndiye mwanzilishi wa mauaji haya na sasa anatumia nguvu nyingi kujificha chini ya mwamvuli wa maadhimisho ya mauaji hayo kwa sura ya masikitiko feki. Na amekwenda mbali hata akajisahau na sasa wanasema ni mauaji ya watusi na sio Wanyarwanda, as if hakuna Mhutu hata mmoja aliyeuawa. Aliponyakua madaraka kijeshi alikorofishana na France ambao walihoji;-
Wakati ndege ya Rais Juvenal Habyarimana inatunguliwa yeye alikuwa msituni anapigana na Serikali ya Rais nani kama sio Juvenal Habyarimana?
Na kwanini isiaminike kwamba yeye na wafuasi wake huko msituni ndio walioiangusha ndege hiyo kwakuwa walikuwa msituni jirani na Kigali?
Kama kifo cha Rais Habyarimana ndicho kilichoanzisha mauaji ya kimbari, yeye Kagame kwanini asiwe chanzo?
Kama Rais Juvenal Habyarimana asingeuawa kungetokea mauaji ya kimbali?
Kama PK anahusisha mauaji haya na ukabila wa Uhutu na Ututsi (sio Unyarwanda), na Marehemu Rais Juvenal Habyarimana alikuwa Mhutu wakati yeye PK ni Mtutsi, hivyo PK ana lipi la kujitetea kutohusika na kifo hicho?
Kama hahusiki kwanini PK aende msituni kupigana na Rais Juvenal Habyarimana wakati kumbe issue zenyewe ni ukabila?
Maswali haya na mengine mengi yalimuudhi PK akavunja mahusiano na Mkoloni wake wa zamani, France. Bado naamini it is just the matter of time when the truth shall be revealed in public. Kujiwekea kwenye katiba vipindi vya miaka 7,7,7... vya Urais ni delaying tactics tu.

 

[jMali]

Pitieni hizi:

source:If it were a genocide against the Tutsi ONLY by the Hutu, how come that there were more Hutu… | Rising Continent
[h=1]If it were a genocide against the Tutsi ONLY by the Hutu, how come that there were more Hutu…[/h] Posted on February 4, 2014 | 4 Comments
Prof. Charles Kambanda

Who killed those Hutu and "others" to the extent that the Hutu make the majority of the people killed?
After a lot of lobbying and unimaginable resistance by many UN Security Council members, Rwanda has sneaked the term "Tutsi" into the UN definition of what happened in Rwanda in 1994. Until recently, the UNSC had called the massacres in Rwanda "the 1994 Rwandan Genocide". The official long name is different now. It is called "the 1994 genocide against the Tutsi during which Hutu and others who opposed the genocide (government) were killed". I find this "new" name more confusing than the previous one. The "new" definition potentially removes the 1994 massacres from the legal definition of genocide. The UNSC has introduced two important factors to account for the 1994 massacres in Rwanda "ethnic clashes" and "political crisis."
First, the "new" wording is inconsistent with the UN Specialized Tribunal for Rwanda's findings. They tried all the Hutu suspects the world believed planned the genocide in Rwanda. The UN Tribunal for Rwanda found out that the genocide in Rwanda was not planned. Nobody planned the massacres we now call genocide? Legally, this finding is contradictory. It is like convicting an impotent male for rape as a principal in the first degree. It is impossible!! If the massacres were not planned, it becomes "spontaneous killing, effectively removing those massacres from the scope of "genocide". The UNSC is impliedly saying, there were more Hutu and "others" killed. Yes. But the Hutu and "others", the UNSC says, were killed for opposing their "genocidal" government; a government we are told was purely Hutu. Then who killed those Hutu in greater numbers than their counterpart the Tutsi? And who are those "others" that were killed for "political" reasons alongside the Hutu? I believe the UNSC missed out on critical thinking at this level. If so many Hutu were killed because they opposed the Tutsi genocide, then killing the Tutsi was not a predominant "ideology"; it was an ordinary crime that claimed the Tutsi!
Second, the population statistics during the genocide present a complex issue. The then government of Rwanda maintained a comprehensive population registry indicating each citizens' ethnic group. Rwanda's population was about 6.2 million people. The Tutsi were 14% while the Hutu were over 85% of the population. The Twa were less than 1%. The human skulls/remains/victims of the genocide now total to more than a million. The Tutsi survivors of genocide were over 300,000 people. These statistics are not in dispute. Here is the formula: 6.2 million – 14% is the total number of the Tutsi that were in Rwanda during the genocide. 14% of 6.2million – about 300, 000 Tutsi survivors of the genocide in 1994 is the number of Tutsi that perished in the genocide. 6.2 million – over one million skulls/remains that have been counted is the total number of the Hutu, Tutsi and Twa that perished in the genocide.
One outstanding conclusion of the statistical analysis is that there were far more Hutu killed than the Tutsi in a genocide that is called Tutsi genocide and was conducted by an exclusively Hutu "genocidal" government. And Kagame's predominantly Tutsi government keeps talking of "the genocide ideology" among the Hutu. Yet there were so many Hutu to fight against the genocide; much more than the Tutsi who died and more than the entire Tutsi population in the country. It sounds ridiculous. Doesn't it? The statistics are disturbing in light of the new name. If it were a genocide against the Tutsi ONLY by the Hutu, how come that there were more Hutu victims/killed? Is it possible that the Hutu set out to exterminate the Tutsi but killed themselves more than they killed their victims? Going by the "new" UN definition, who killed the Hutu and "others" to the extent that there were more Hutu and "others" killed? Isn't the "new" UNSC definition of what happened in Rwanda very confusing in light of the available body of knowledge that there is?
The UNSC wording suggests that the Hutu and "others" were killed because they opposed the government while the Tutsi were killed because they were Tutsi. The problem at this level is that if the Hutu and "others" were killed for political reasons make the majority of the people killed, then there was a national social political problem for which even the Tutsi were killed. How do you detach the Tutsi from a national social political crisis that led to death of so many Hutus and "others"? Who then killed those Hutus and "others" for opposing the government? Were the Tutsi, at least some, killed for opposing the government too? Didn't the Tutsi oppose the Then Hutu government? Were the Tutsi immune to being killed for opposing the then purely Hutu government? Isn't ridiculous that the Tutsi did not oppose the Hutu government we are told discriminated against them? Certainly, if group had the motive to oppose the then government, it were the Tutsi. If opposing the then government was "punished" by exterminating the Hutu, why were the Tutsi, who actually opposed the then Hutu government, not killed for opposing the government? I think the UNSC wording has effectively given the world an insight into what actually happened.
It is important to note that president Habyarimana was running a dictatorship. He was assassinated together with his top and strong government officials. Effectively, there was no government at the time of the genocide. Who killed those Hutu and "others" to the extent that the Hutu make the majority of the people killed?


https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...and-will-continue-to-kill-if-not-stopped.html

 

[MUKAMASIMBA]

Mkuu MUKAMASIMBA

Rejea kichwa cha mada hapo chini, hivi ni kweli maujae yale ya Kimbari yamekuwa ni mauaji ya WATUSI na sio tena ya WANYARWANDA? Vipi kuhusu WAHUTU walio uwawawakati huo? Vipi kuhusu waliochanganya damu walio kuw ana wazazi wawili kwa maana ya WAHUTU NA WATUSI ?

Mkuu KIBANGA AMPIGA MKOLONI,

Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.

Sasa tukilejea kwa swali lako kweli watusi ndio walikua walengwa katika mauaji hayo yaliyo andaliwa na wahutu wenye imani kali na kuwashirikisha wahutu wengine kuwaua watusi wakiwa na lengo la kuwamaliza/exterminate,Now kunawahutu waliokufa kwasababu ya kuchanganya damu na watusi-hao waliuawa kwasababu tu yakua na hiyo link ya damu na watusi(hapo lengo halijabadilika),kuna wahutu walio uwawa na wahutu wenzao kwa sababu ya kuwalinda watusi(bado lengo halija badilika kwani walikufa kwa kuwatetea watusi),kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi,kumbuka hawa wahutu walikua na silaha na pili baada ya kuchezea damu za watu walikua kama mbwa kichaaa wengi waliojaribu ku resist walipitiwa na risasi,Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao wameuwa wote wakati wa mauaji ya kimbali na kujichukulia hatua mikoni mwao na kuwaua huo hau kua mpango wa RPA bali ilikua mpango wa kibinafsi na wengi waliofanya hayo mauaji walihukumiwa na wengine waliuwawa hadharani(bado haya mauaji hayawezi kuitwa ya kimbali dhidi ya watusi kwani hayakua planned wala ku taget wahutu kama ingekua planned nafikiri hivi tungekua na takribani 10 million dead hutus).

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Mkuu KIBANGA AMPIGA MKOLONI,

Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.

Sasa tukilejea kwa swali lako kweli watusi ndio walikua walengwa katika mauaji hayo yaliyo andaliwa na wahutu wenye imani kali na kuwashirikisha wahutu wengine kuwaua watusi wakiwa na lengo la kuwamaliza/exterminate,Now kunawahutu waliokufa kwasababu ya kuchanganya damu na watusi-hao waliuawa kwasababu tu yakua na hiyo link ya damu na watusi(hapo lengo halijabadilika),kuna wahutu walio uwawa na wahutu wenzao kwa sababu ya kuwalinda watusi(bado lengo halija badilika kwani walikufa kwa kuwatetea watusi),kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi,kumbuka hawa wahutu walikua na silaha na pili baada ya kuchezea damu za watu walikua kama mbwa kichaaa wengi waliojaribu ku resist walipitiwa na risasi,Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao wameuwa wote wakati wa mauaji ya kimbali na kujichukulia hatua mikoni mwao na kuwaua huo hau kua mpango wa RPA bali ilikua mpango wa kibinafsi na wengi waliofanya hayo mauaji walihukumiwa na wengine waliuwawa hadharani(bado haya mauaji hayawezi kuitwa ya kimbali dhidi ya watusi kwani hayakua planned wala ku taget wahutu kama ingekua planned nafikiri hivi tungekua na takribani 10 million dead hutus).

Okay mkuu wangu!
1. Hivi kumbe yalikuwa ni mauaji ya Kutumia Risasi? mimi nimesoma historia sio labda maana nilisikia maujai yalikuwa ni ya kutumia Silaha za Jadi.

2. Hivi walio pelekwa Arusha kustakiwa walikuwa ni WAHUTU tu? kulikuwa hakuna WATUSI? kama walikuwapo unataka kuniambia walikuwa wanawaua WATUSI wenzao? au wao waliua wachache ?

3. By the way Ni watusi wangapi na wahutu wnagapi walikufa? maana kama ilivyo Article hapo juu inaonekana WAHUTU wengi walikufa kuliko WATUSI, sasa inakuwaje walio plana waue wachache lakini walio jitetea waue wengi?

swali bado, ni lini haya maujai ya 1994 yamebadilika na kuwa ni maujai ya WATUSI na sio WANYARWANDA , Hivi kweli hauoni kuna tatizo hapo na ukichukulia waliuo uwawa wengi ni WAHUTU kuliko WATUSI ?

 

[jMali]

Mkuu KIBANGA AMPIGA MKOLONI,



Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.

Sasa tukilejea kwa swali lako kweli watusi ndio walikua walengwa katika mauaji hayo yaliyo andaliwa na wahutu wenye imani kali na kuwashirikisha wahutu wengine kuwaua watusi wakiwa na lengo la kuwamaliza/exterminate,Now kunawahutu waliokufa kwasababu ya kuchanganya damu na watusi-hao waliuawa kwasababu tu yakua na hiyo link ya damu na watusi(hapo lengo halijabadilika),kuna wahutu walio uwawa na wahutu wenzao kwa sababu ya kuwalinda watusi(bado lengo halija badilika kwani walikufa kwa kuwatetea watusi),kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi,kumbuka hawa wahutu walikua na silaha na pili baada ya kuchezea damu za watu walikua kama mbwa kichaaa wengi waliojaribu ku resist walipitiwa na risasi,Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao wameuwa wote wakati wa mauaji ya kimbali na kujichukulia hatua mikoni mwao na kuwaua huo hau kua mpango wa RPA bali ilikua mpango wa kibinafsi na wengi waliofanya hayo mauaji walihukumiwa na wengine waliuwawa hadharani(bado haya mauaji hayawezi kuitwa ya kimbali dhidi ya watusi kwani hayakua planned wala ku taget wahutu kama ingekua planned nafikiri hivi tungekua na takribani 10 million dead hutus).

cc: Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni

1. Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.: Definition yako iko sawa, lakini mahakama ya ICTR imethibitisha kuwa hakukuwa na mpango wa mauaji ya watutsi Rwanda! Kilichotokea ni mauaji spontaneous katikati ya vita. source: JURIST - Forum: Rwanda: No Conspiracy, No Genocide Planning ... No Genocide?

2. kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi, : RPA/kagame walivamia Rwanda toka mwaka 1990, huko kote walikuwa wanasimamisha genocide ipi? Na kumbuka kagame hapa alikuwa hapigani na jeshi alikuwa anavamia vijiji na kusambaratisha wananchi (ambao zaidi ya 80% ni wahutu)!

3. Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao: Huu ni miongoni mwa uwongo ambao unarudiwa rudiwa kila mara. RPA ni jeshi lilioundwa na watutsi toka nchi za nje ya Rwanda, most of them hawana uhusiano wowote na Rwanda isipokuwa historia tu kuwa wao ni watutsi. Ni kama vile wahehe warudi leo South africa halafu wajifanye eti wanatetea ndugu zao wazulu! Kagame mwenyewe kakulia Uganda toka ana miaka 3 karudi ana almost 30! Patrick karegeya ndio kabisa mpaka wazazi wake leo hii ni waganda, James kabarebe kazaliwa Congo DRC, ....wengine walikuwa hapa hapa Tanzania.
Mauaji haya yanayoitwa ya "kisasi" hayana uhusiano na undugu wowote, ni mauaji ya chuki tu dhidi ya wahutu.

4. Mwisho wa siku kagame amepiga marufuku kuhesabu wahutu waliokufa. Hilo ni kosa linaitwa "revisionism", yaani kuharibu "historia rasmi". Historia ambayo yeye mwenyewe ndio kaitunga. Hii ni kwa sababu ukihesabu wahutu wangapi walikufa 1994 utakuta wako wengi kuliko wahutu. Watutsi kupitia jumuiya yao ya wahanga wa genocide wanasema ndugu zao waliokufa wako chini ya laki nne! Lakini ni kosa kusema kuwa waliobaki obviously ni wahutu! kwa sababu hiyo itamaanisha kuwa it was actually "genocide against hutus".
Haiwezekani serikali ikaua wahutu wengi kwa kusapoti watutsi kuliko hao watutsi wenyewe waliokuwa wanasapotiwa.

 

[Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni]

Mkuu KIBANGA AMPIGA MKOLONI,

Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.

Sasa tukilejea kwa swali lako kweli watusi ndio walikua walengwa katika mauaji hayo yaliyo andaliwa na wahutu wenye imani kali na kuwashirikisha wahutu wengine kuwaua watusi wakiwa na lengo la kuwamaliza/exterminate,Now kunawahutu waliokufa kwasababu ya kuchanganya damu na watusi-hao waliuawa kwasababu tu yakua na hiyo link ya damu na watusi(hapo lengo halijabadilika),kuna wahutu walio uwawa na wahutu wenzao kwa sababu ya kuwalinda watusi(bado lengo halija badilika kwani walikufa kwa kuwatetea watusi),kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi,kumbuka hawa wahutu walikua na silaha na pili baada ya kuchezea damu za watu walikua kama mbwa kichaaa wengi waliojaribu ku resist walipitiwa na risasi,Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao wameuwa wote wakati wa mauaji ya kimbali na kujichukulia hatua mikoni mwao na kuwaua huo hau kua mpango wa RPA bali ilikua mpango wa kibinafsi na wengi waliofanya hayo mauaji walihukumiwa na wengine waliuwawa hadharani(bado haya mauaji hayawezi kuitwa ya kimbali dhidi ya watusi kwani hayakua planned wala ku taget wahutu kama ingekua planned nafikiri hivi tungekua na takribani 10 million dead hutus).

So MUKAMASIMBA wewe ni MUHUTU ?

Hivi hao 10 Mil unawatoa wapi na Nchi nzima WANYARWANDA NI 6.4 MIL ?


Embu nifafanulie na hii hapa chini?

Second, the population statistics during the genocide present a complex issue. The then government of Rwanda maintained a comprehensive population registry indicating each citizens' ethnic group. Rwanda's population was about 6.2 million people. The Tutsi were 14% while the Hutu were over 85% of the population. The Twa were less than 1%. The human skulls/remains/victims of the genocide now total to more than a million. The Tutsi survivors of genocide were over 300,000 people. These statistics are not in dispute. Here is the formula: 6.2 million – 14% is the total number of the Tutsi that were in Rwanda during the genocide. 14% of 6.2million – about 300, 000 Tutsi survivors of the genocide in 1994 is the number of Tutsi that perished in the genocide. 6.2 million – over one million skulls/remains that have been counted is the total number of the Hutu, Tutsi and Twa that perished in the genocide.

One outstanding conclusion of the statistical analysis is that there were far more Hutu killed than the Tutsi in a genocide that is called Tutsi genocide and was conducted by an exclusively Hutu "genocidal" government. And Kagame's predominantly Tutsi government keeps talking of "the genocide ideology" among the Hutu. Yet there were so many Hutu to fight against the genocide; much more than the Tutsi who died and more than the entire Tutsi population in the country. It sounds ridiculous. Doesn't it? The statistics are disturbing in light of the new name. If it were a genocide against the Tutsi ONLY by the Hutu, how come that there were more Hutu victims/killed? Is it possible that the Hutu set out to exterminate the Tutsi but killed themselves more than they killed their victims? Going by the "new" UN definition, who killed the Hutu and "others" to the extent that there were more Hutu and "others" killed? Isn't the "new" UNSC definition of what happened in Rwanda very confusing in light of the available body of knowledge that there is?

 

[jMali]

Okay mkuu wangu!
1. Hivi kumbe yalikuwa ni mauaji ya Kutumia Risasi? mimi nimesoma historia sio labda maana nilisikia maujai yalikuwa ni ya kutumia Silaha za Jadi.

2. Hivi walio pelekwa Arusha kustakiwa walikuwa ni WAHUTU tu? kulikuwa hakuna WATUSI? kama walikuwapo unataka kuniambia walikuwa wanawaua WATUSI wenzao? au wao waliua wachache ?

3. By the way Ni watusi wangapi na wahutu wnagapi walikufa? maana kama ilivyo Article hapo juu inaonekana WAHUTU wengi walikufa kuliko WATUSI, sasa inakuwaje walio plana waue wachache lakini walio jitetea waue wengi?

swali bado, ni lini haya maujai ya 1994 yamebadilika na kuwa ni maujai ya WATUSI na sio WANYARWANDA , Hivi kweli hauoni kuna tatizo hapo na ukichukulia waliuo uwawa wengi ni WAHUTU kuliko WATUSI ?

mkuu ume-raise hoja nzuri sana:

kagame anashindwa kuelezea dunia nani hasa alitekeleza mauaji haya, kwa sababu kwa upande mmoja anadai ni interahamwe ambao walitumia mapanga, hili halipingiki hawa jamaa kweli waliua. Lakini kinachoshangaza ni kuwa, interahamwe ilifadhiliwa wa wafanyabiashara wakubwa wa kitutsi, kwa hiyo hata hayo mapanga guess who gave the money to buy them?
Mkuu wa interahamwe yenyewe alikuwa ni MTUTSI aitwaye ROBERT KAJUGA, ambaye alichongesha identity ya kihutu (source:Robert Kajuga (militiaman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Yeye mwenyewe alimficha kaka yake kwenye ile "hotel Rwanda" ili alindwe na MHUTU Paul Rusesabagina (ambaye hivi sasa ni adui mkubwa wa kagame kwa sababu alichofanya kinaondoa ile dhana kuwa wahutu ni mashetani), halafu yeye mwenyewe akaongoza wahutu kuua watutsi wenzie! kuna swali kubwa hapa? Nani aliyefaidika na mauaji haya kama sio Kagame/RPF? kwa sababu kama genocide isingetokea, mkataba wa kugawana madaraka wa arusha ulikuwa umeshasainiwa, hivyo kagame na wenzie wangegawan madaraka na serikali ya wahutu.
Lakini kwa sababu baadae kungekuwa na uchaguzi hawa magaidi lazima wangetoswa. Ndio maana kagame kajifanya anastopisha mauaji halafu akawasingizia wale aliowashinda (ambao baadhi yao ndio FDLR leo) kuwa ndio wauaji, ili abaki peke yake madarakani.

2. wahutu zaidi ya milioni mbili wamehukumiwa na mahakama za uwongo na kweli ziitwazo "gacaca" ndani ya Rwanda. mahakama hizi kabla ya kuanza zilikataa kutumia mahakimu wa kihutu, mahakimu wote ni watutsi! go figure. Wahutu hawa ndani yake ndio kuna wale interahamwe, hawa ilikuwa rahisi kuwajua kwa sababu walitengenezwa na watutsi wenyewe kuleta mauaji yatakayompa kagame uhalali wa kuvamia Rwanda. Hawa wameshahukumiwa.

3. toka 1994 yalikuwa ni mauaji ya wanyarwanda, lakini baada tu ya kuanzishwa FDLR ndio hapo hapo kagame akatunga "genocide against tutsis", guess nani aliyeambiwa kaua hawa watutsi..FDLR. Hawa FDLR ndio walikuwa wanajeshi wa Habyarimana na walikuwa na bunduki, je ina maana walikuwa wakitaka kuua watutsi wanaweka bunduki chini wanatumia mapanga au? Ukweli ni kuwa interahamwe sio FDLR, ingawa inawezekana baadhi ya interahamwe walipenya penya. wanajeshi wa habyarimana walivyopigwa walikimbilia DRC ku-retreat. Ndio maana hakuna mtu yoyote anaweza kuihukumu ufaransa kwa kuwasaidia kukimbilia Congo. Hii ni kwa sababu kimataifa it was right kwa nchi moja kuisaidia nyingine kupambana na waasi.
Kagame sasa analazimisha kuwa wale wanajeshi pia wawe interahamwe. Hana ushahidi, hana majina ya watuhumiwa, hana chochote! Hao hao anaowatuhumu kuwa ni wauaji wa kimbari, anawahonga hela na anawapa vyeo serikalini mwake! Aliyekuwa Mkuu wa FDLR leo hii ni Mkuu wa magereza Rwanda!

 

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cc: Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni

1. Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.: Definition yako iko sawa, lakini mahakama ya ICTR imethibitisha kuwa hakukuwa na mpango wa mauaji ya watutsi Rwanda! Kilichotokea ni mauaji spontaneous katikati ya vita. source: JURIST - Forum: Rwanda: No Conspiracy, No Genocide Planning ... No Genocide?

Reply:
Hii source siyo credible kulingana na ICTR mpango wa kumaliza wa Tutsi ulikuwepo:
Pitia hii hukumu dhidi ya Bagosora:
On 18 December 2008, Trial Chamber I found Bagosora and Nsengiyumva guilty of genocide (inakuwaje unasema ICTR inasema hakukuwa na mpango wakati watu wamehukumiwa juu ya hilo??),
crimes against humanity, and serious violations of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions and of Additional Protocol II for crimes committed in April and June 1994 in Kigali, Gisenyi, and Kibuye prefectures.
The Appeals Chamber affirmed Bagosora's convictions for genocide, crimes against humanity (murder, extermination, persecution, rape, and other inhumane acts), and serious violations of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions and of Additional Protocol II (violence to life and outrages upon personal dignity).
Source:ICTR News Detail


2. kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi, : RPA/kagame walivamia Rwanda toka mwaka 1990, huko kote walikuwa wanasimamisha genocide ipi? Na kumbuka kagame hapa alikuwa hapigani na jeshi alikuwa anavamia vijiji na kusambaratisha wananchi (ambao zaidi ya 80% ni wahutu)!

Reply:
Sababu za RPA kuvamia Rwanda zinajulikana, kwanza walikuwa na uhalali wa kurudi kwenye nchi yao,walikataliwa kurudi kwa zaidi ya miaka 30 unadhani option nyingine iliyokuwa imebaki ni ipi?kuna uvumilivu unaozidi miaka 30 ukiwa mkimbizi!!
Eti walikuwa wanavamia vijiji na kuvisambaratisha?? kwa hiyo hata nchi waliiteka namna hiyo??kwani nchi ilikuwa haina jeshi?? i didn`t expect that statement from you its funny!!kwa hiyo askali wa RPA waliofia vitani waliuawa na raia??:

3. Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao: Huu ni miongoni mwa uwongo ambao unarudiwa rudiwa kila mara. RPA ni jeshi lilioundwa na watutsi toka nchi za nje ya Rwanda, most of them hawana uhusiano wowote na Rwanda isipokuwa historia tu kuwa wao ni watutsi. Ni kama vile wahehe warudi leo South africa halafu wajifanye eti wanatetea ndugu zao wazulu! Kagame mwenyewe kakulia Uganda toka ana miaka 3 karudi ana almost 30! Patrick karegeya ndio kabisa mpaka wazazi wake leo hii ni waganda, James kabarebe kazaliwa Congo DRC, ....wengine walikuwa hapa hapa Tanzania.
Mauaji haya yanayoitwa ya "kisasi" hayana uhusiano na undugu wowote, ni mauaji ya chuki tu dhidi ya wahutu.

Reply:
Labda nikuulize swali..unasemaje kuhusu operation Kimbunga? unakubali kwamba waliofukuzwa baadhi yao walikuwa na miaka zaidi ya 30 nchini Tanzania??Kwa maoni yako nilini mtu hupoteza uraia wake wa asili unataka kusema Watutsi waliofukuzwa Rwanda mwaka 1961 tayali walikuwa washapoteza haki yao Rwanda?tuwapatie uraia upi?mbona nchi walizokuwa wamekimbilia zilikuwa bado zinawachukulia kama wa kimbizi..Unakubali kwamba Kagame kazaliwa Rwanda?
Are you saying he was not entitled to the same rights like any Rwandese? Tuseme hao uliowaongelea wamgekuwa wanaishi Tanzania mpaka sasa unadhani operation Kimbunga ingekuwa haiwahusu?
Maybe it is out of ignorance of the issue au unafanya makusudi how dare unasema hakukuwa na any connection?? People had aunts,uncles ambao walibaki Rwanda it was a scattered family:

4. Mwisho wa siku kagame amepiga marufuku kuhesabu wahutu waliokufa. Hilo ni kosa linaitwa "revisionism", yaani kuharibu "historia rasmi". Historia ambayo yeye mwenyewe ndio kaitunga. Hii ni kwa sababu ukihesabu wahutu wangapi walikufa 1994 utakuta wako wengi kuliko wahutu. Watutsi kupitia jumuiya yao ya wahanga wa genocide wanasema ndugu zao waliokufa wako chini ya laki nne! Lakini ni kosa kusema kuwa waliobaki obviously ni wahutu! kwa sababu hiyo itamaanisha kuwa it was actually "genocide against hutus".
Haiwezekani serikali ikaua wahutu wengi kwa kusapoti watutsi kuliko hao watutsi wenyewe waliokuwa wanasapotiwa.
Reply:
Kinachoongelewa ni Genocide against Tutsi...i.e mpango ulioandaliwa wakumaliza wa Tutsi: na sio idadi

 

[jMali]

cc: Kibanga Ampiga Mkoloni

1. Acha ni kudokezee japo kidogo tu! Mauaji ya kimbali kawaida ni mpango unaofanywa makusudi kuwa lenga jamii fulani kwa sababu za chuki ili kuwamaliza/exterminate.: Definition yako iko sawa, lakini mahakama ya ICTR imethibitisha kuwa hakukuwa na mpango wa mauaji ya watutsi Rwanda! Kilichotokea ni mauaji spontaneous katikati ya vita. source: JURIST - Forum: Rwanda: No Conspiracy, No Genocide Planning ... No Genocide?

Reply:
Hii source siyo credible kulingana na ICTR mpango wa kumaliza wa Tutsi ulikuwepo:
Pitia hii hukumu dhidi ya Bagosora:
On 18 December 2008, Trial Chamber I found Bagosora and Nsengiyumva guilty of genocide (inakuwaje unasema ICTR inasema hakukuwa na mpango wakati watu wamehukumiwa juu ya hilo??),
crimes against humanity, and serious violations of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions and of Additional Protocol II for crimes committed in April and June 1994 in Kigali, Gisenyi, and Kibuye prefectures.
The Appeals Chamber affirmed Bagosora's convictions for genocide, crimes against humanity (murder, extermination, persecution, rape, and other inhumane acts), and serious violations of Article 3 common to the Geneva Conventions and of Additional Protocol II (violence to life and outrages upon personal dignity).
Source:ICTR News Detail


2. kuna wahutu waliokufa katika vita wakati majeshi ya RPA yalipo kua yakisimamisha mauaji dhidi ya watusi, : RPA/kagame walivamia Rwanda toka mwaka 1990, huko kote walikuwa wanasimamisha genocide ipi? Na kumbuka kagame hapa alikuwa hapigani na jeshi alikuwa anavamia vijiji na kusambaratisha wananchi (ambao zaidi ya 80% ni wahutu)!

Reply:
Sababu za RPA kuvamia Rwanda zinajulikana, kwanza walikuwa na uhalali wa kurudi kwenye nchi yao,walikataliwa kurudi kwa zaidi ya miaka 30 unadhani option nyingine iliyokuwa imebaki ni ipi?kuna uvumilivu unaozidi miaka 30 ukiwa mkimbizi!!
Eti walikuwa wanavamia vijiji na kuvisambaratisha?? kwa hiyo hata nchi waliiteka namna hiyo??kwani nchi ilikuwa haina jeshi?? i didn`t expect that statement from you its funny!!kwa hiyo askali wa RPA waliofia vitani waliuawa na raia??:

3. Kuna wahutu wachache walio uwawa kwa kesi za kulipiza kisasi kwani kuna wakati baaadhi ya wanajeshi wa RPA walikuta jamaa zao: Huu ni miongoni mwa uwongo ambao unarudiwa rudiwa kila mara. RPA ni jeshi lilioundwa na watutsi toka nchi za nje ya Rwanda, most of them hawana uhusiano wowote na Rwanda isipokuwa historia tu kuwa wao ni watutsi. Ni kama vile wahehe warudi leo South africa halafu wajifanye eti wanatetea ndugu zao wazulu! Kagame mwenyewe kakulia Uganda toka ana miaka 3 karudi ana almost 30! Patrick karegeya ndio kabisa mpaka wazazi wake leo hii ni waganda, James kabarebe kazaliwa Congo DRC, ....wengine walikuwa hapa hapa Tanzania.
Mauaji haya yanayoitwa ya "kisasi" hayana uhusiano na undugu wowote, ni mauaji ya chuki tu dhidi ya wahutu.

Reply:
Labda nikuulize swali..unasemaje kuhusu operation Kimbunga? unakubali kwamba waliofukuzwa baadhi yao walikuwa na miaka zaidi ya 30 nchini Tanzania??Kwa maoni yako nilini mtu hupoteza uraia wake wa asili unataka kusema Watutsi waliofukuzwa Rwanda mwaka 1961 tayali walikuwa washapoteza haki yao Rwanda?tuwapatie uraia upi?mbona nchi walizokuwa wamekimbilia zilikuwa bado zinawachukulia kama wa kimbizi..Unakubali kwamba Kagame kazaliwa Rwanda?
Are you saying he was not entitled to the same rights like any Rwandese? Tuseme hao uliowaongelea wamgekuwa wanaishi Tanzania mpaka sasa unadhani operation Kimbunga ingekuwa haiwahusu?
Maybe it is out of ignorance of the issue au unafanya makusudi how dare unasema hakukuwa na any connection?? People had aunts,uncles ambao walibaki Rwanda it was a scattered family:

4. Mwisho wa siku kagame amepiga marufuku kuhesabu wahutu waliokufa. Hilo ni kosa linaitwa "revisionism", yaani kuharibu "historia rasmi". Historia ambayo yeye mwenyewe ndio kaitunga. Hii ni kwa sababu ukihesabu wahutu wangapi walikufa 1994 utakuta wako wengi kuliko wahutu. Watutsi kupitia jumuiya yao ya wahanga wa genocide wanasema ndugu zao waliokufa wako chini ya laki nne! Lakini ni kosa kusema kuwa waliobaki obviously ni wahutu! kwa sababu hiyo itamaanisha kuwa it was actually "genocide against hutus".
Haiwezekani serikali ikaua wahutu wengi kwa kusapoti watutsi kuliko hao watutsi wenyewe waliokuwa wanasapotiwa.
Reply:
Kinachoongelewa ni Genocide against Tutsi...i.e mpango ulioandaliwa wakumaliza wa Tutsi: na sio idadi

I didn't deny their right of return, naona unataka kubadili mada. I questioned undugu waliokuwa nao na watu ambao hawawajui. The big question you should be asking yourself ni: Majority ya watutsi wanyarwanda haijawahi kuwa nje ya Rwanda! since time immemorial, watutsi wa Rwanda majority yao wako Rwanda na si sehemu nyingine. Watutsi majority waliwezaje kuishi kwa amani toka 1950's? kagame na RPA mpaka leo wanawakilisha watutsi wageni toka uganda na sio watutsi wa Rwanda waliokuwa na amani toka miaka hiyo (ambao ndio majority).

Kuhusu genocide against tutsi: unasema suala ni mpango ulioandaliwa, we've been over this, mahakama imesema HAKUKUWA NA KITU KAMA HICHO. Nobody planned anything. Ndio maana baadhi ya sentences given to people like bagosora zimekuwa reduced. Sasa kama wewe unabishana na mahakama ya wasomi/professionals kwenye field yao na badala yake unataka kuchukua version ya kagame ambae ana direct conflict of interest on that matter basi sawa, itakua inakuonyesha wewe ni mtu wa aina gani!

Pia even if you argue kuwa suala sio idadi, which means unakubali kuwa katika wale milioni moja, over half a million victims were Hutus, kwa nini RPA/Kagame wasishtakiwe for these killings whatever name you call it?

 

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mkuu ume-raise hoja nzuri sana:

kagame anashindwa kuelezea dunia nani hasa alitekeleza mauaji haya, kwa sababu kwa upande mmoja anadai ni interahamwe ambao walitumia mapanga, hili halipingiki hawa jamaa kweli waliua. Lakini kinachoshangaza ni kuwa, interahamwe ilifadhiliwa wa wafanyabiashara wakubwa wa kitutsi, kwa hiyo hata hayo mapanga guess who gave the money to buy them?
Mkuu wa interahamwe yenyewe alikuwa ni MTUTSI aitwaye ROBERT KAJUGA, ambaye alichongesha identity ya kihutu (source:Robert Kajuga (militiaman) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Yeye mwenyewe alimficha kaka yake kwenye ile "hotel Rwanda" ili alindwe na MHUTU Paul Rusesabagina (ambaye hivi sasa ni adui mkubwa wa kagame kwa sababu alichofanya kinaondoa ile dhana kuwa wahutu ni mashetani), halafu yeye mwenyewe akaongoza wahutu kuua watutsi wenzie! kuna swali kubwa hapa? Nani aliyefaidika na mauaji haya kama sio Kagame/RPF? kwa sababu kama genocide isingetokea, mkataba wa kugawana madaraka wa arusha ulikuwa umeshasainiwa, hivyo kagame na wenzie wangegawan madaraka na serikali ya wahutu.
Lakini kwa sababu baadae kungekuwa na uchaguzi hawa magaidi lazima wangetoswa. Ndio maana kagame kajifanya anastopisha mauaji halafu akawasingizia wale aliowashinda (ambao baadhi yao ndio FDLR leo) kuwa ndio wauaji, ili abaki peke yake madarakani.

2. wahutu zaidi ya milioni mbili wamehukumiwa na mahakama za uwongo na kweli ziitwazo "gacaca" ndani ya Rwanda. mahakama hizi kabla ya kuanza zilikataa kutumia mahakimu wa kihutu, mahakimu wote ni watutsi! go figure. Wahutu hawa ndani yake ndio kuna wale interahamwe, hawa ilikuwa rahisi kuwajua kwa sababu walitengenezwa na watutsi wenyewe kuleta mauaji yatakayompa kagame uhalali wa kuvamia Rwanda. Hawa wameshahukumiwa.

3. toka 1994 yalikuwa ni mauaji ya wanyarwanda, lakini baada tu ya kuanzishwa FDLR ndio hapo hapo kagame akatunga "genocide against tutsis", guess nani aliyeambiwa kaua hawa watutsi..FDLR. Hawa FDLR ndio walikuwa wanajeshi wa Habyarimana na walikuwa na bunduki, je ina maana walikuwa wakitaka kuua watutsi wanaweka bunduki chini wanatumia mapanga au? Ukweli ni kuwa interahamwe sio FDLR, ingawa inawezekana baadhi ya interahamwe walipenya penya. wanajeshi wa habyarimana walivyopigwa walikimbilia DRC ku-retreat. Ndio maana hakuna mtu yoyote anaweza kuihukumu ufaransa kwa kuwasaidia kukimbilia Congo. Hii ni kwa sababu kimataifa it was right kwa nchi moja kuisaidia nyingine kupambana na waasi.
Kagame sasa analazimisha kuwa wale wanajeshi pia wawe interahamwe. Hana ushahidi, hana majina ya watuhumiwa, hana chochote! Hao hao anaowatuhumu kuwa ni wauaji wa kimbari, anawahonga hela na anawapa vyeo serikalini mwake! Aliyekuwa Mkuu wa FDLR leo hii ni Mkuu wa magereza Rwanda!

You know what bagosora's son!! I have to admit that i love to read your rubbish. One thing for sure is that you know how to concoct a good story. One piece of advice from someone who want to see you advance in life. Become a novelist ala Elvis Musiba. Maybe you will earn some income from that otherwise you are wasting you talent away. You know and I know that facts cannot be re-written so save yourself some energy and focus it on something that will be beneficial to you. Hii ya ku deny the facts you will not succeed.

 

[murutongore]

I didn't deny their right of return, naona unataka kubadili mada. I questioned undugu waliokuwa nao na watu ambao hawawajui. The big question you should be asking yourself ni: Majority ya watutsi wanyarwanda haijawahi kuwa nje ya Rwanda! since time immemorial, watutsi wa Rwanda majority yao wako Rwanda na si sehemu nyingine. Watutsi majority waliwezaje kuishi kwa amani toka 1950's? kagame na RPA mpaka leo wanawakilisha watutsi wageni toka uganda na sio watutsi wa Rwanda waliokuwa na amani toka miaka hiyo (ambao ndio majority).

Kuhusu genocide against tutsi: unasema suala ni mpango ulioandaliwa, we've been over this, mahakama imesema HAKUKUWA NA KITU KAMA HICHO. Nobody planned anything. Ndio maana baadhi ya sentences given to people like bagosora zimekuwa reduced. Sasa kama wewe unabishana na mahakama ya wasomi/professionals kwenye field yao na badala yake unataka kuchukua version ya kagame ambae ana direct conflict of interest on that matter basi sawa, itakua inakuonyesha wewe ni mtu wa aina gani!

Pia even if you argue kuwa suala sio idadi, which means unakubali kuwa katika wale milioni moja, over half a million victims were Hutus, kwa nini RPA/Kagame wasishtakiwe for these killings whatever name you call it?

1. Kwa hiyo reasoning yako kuwa hakukuwa na genocide is because sentence za wajomba zako silipunguzwa. Hivi kweli wewe una akili timamu? Mtu akiua halafu aka appeal mahakama ikampunguzia kifungo ina maana hakuua. I feel sorry for you.

2. Walishtakiwa na mabwana zenu wafaransa tena wakawekwa kwenye wanted list. Unakumbua kesi ya Rose Kabuye? Case closed.

 

[jMali]

You know what bagosora's son!! I have to admit that i love to read your rubbish. One thing for sure is that you know how to concoct a good story. One piece of advice from someone who want to see you advance in life. Become a novelist ala Elvis Musiba. Maybe you will earn some income from that otherwise you are wasting you talent away. You know and I know that facts cannot be re-written so save yourself some energy and focus it on something that will be beneficial to you. Hii ya ku deny the facts you will not succeed.

I don't recall a single day that you managed to counter my "rubbish" with anything meaningful. All you do is call my posts rubbish without posting your own counter-rubbish. I really feel pity for you! really! you are a poor tutsi that has been brainwashed for so long you are having it hard to accept the reality that what you know is total B.S. That's why instead of posting "truth" to counter my "stories" you only have your insults, because my "stories" are the facts! Good day.

 

[jMali]

1. Kwa hiyo reasoning yako kuwa hakukuwa na genocide is because sentence za wajomba zako silipunguzwa. Hivi kweli wewe una akili timamu? Mtu akiua halafu aka appeal mahakama ikampunguzia kifungo ina maana hakuua. I feel sorry for you.

2. Walishtakiwa na mabwana zenu wafaransa tena wakawekwa kwenye wanted list. Unakumbua kesi ya Rose Kabuye? Case closed.

1. mwami dimwit nenda taratibu acha kupanick. There is a difference between genocide na mauaji ya kawaida. Kuna makabila huko tarime yanauana kila siku kwa ukabila lakini haiitwi genocide, wakulima na wafugaji pia wanapigana haiitwi genocide ingawa wanalengana purely kwa sababu ya ukabila. Mahakama haijasema watu hawakufa, imesema hakukuwa na conspiracy to genocide. This is a fact! Bagosora na wenzie wamefungwa kwa sababu ya mauaji ya wanyarwanda katika muktadha wa vita na sio genocide. Ndio maana kifungo chao kilipunguzwa kwa sababu walishinda lile shitaka la conspiracy to genocide.

2. Ufaransa sio ICTR last time i checked. Na rose kabuye was never tried anywhere. case closed back to you.

 

[murutongore]

1. mwami dimwit nenda taratibu acha kupanick. There is a difference between genocide na mauaji ya kawaida. Kuna makabila huko tarime yanauana kila siku kwa ukabila lakini haiitwi genocide, wakulima na wafugaji pia wanapigana haiitwi genocide ingawa wanalengana purely kwa sababu ya ukabila. Mahakama haijasema watu hawakufa, imesema hakukuwa na conspiracy to genocide. This is a fact! Bagosora na wenzie wamefungwa kwa sababu ya mauaji ya wanyarwanda katika muktadha wa vita na sio genocide. Ndio maana kifungo chao kilipunguzwa kwa sababu walishinda lile shitaka la conspiracy to genocide.

2. Ufaransa sio ICTR last time i checked. Na rose kabuye was never tried anywhere. case closed back to you.

Tell you what! Why don't you petition the ICTR for them to open a case against those people? Mmmmh....i'm sure there are many of your like who will sponsor you. What do you say?

 

[murutongore]

I don't recall a single day that you managed to counter my "rubbish" with anything meaningful. All you do is call my posts rubbish without posting your own counter-rubbish. I really feel pity for you! really! you are a poor tutsi that has been brainwashed for so long you are having it hard to accept the reality that what you know is total B.S. That's why instead of posting "truth" to counter my "stories" you only have your insults, because my "stories" are the facts! Good day.

I don't have to....some post ya MGOSI132 hapo juu kuhusu hukumu ya bagosora. What was he convicted of? Mmmh